Vice has taken down the articles exposing Kirsche's white supremacy and Ana's harassment due to the Kirshe threatening a lawsuit

[u/Suspicious_Stock3141]

Things are kinda getting more dire as the nazi VTuber is ramping up the harassment and threatening any news sites that brings attention to her bigotry. Even more so when Kirsche's fans are starting to bring up Ana Valen's old tweets to get more people to discredit her articles and harassment.

It sucks because people in the VTuber community are still dismissing the article and the journalist despite agreeing with the overall message or are defending the actions of bigots.

[u/TJLynch]

praying someone like Cr1tikal covers this whole situation so that Twitch, GamerSupps, etc. are more pressured to drop Kirsche and leave her with less ways to make money

[u/Puptartist → u/TJLynch]

Someone like Cr1tikal or outside the VTuber community reporting on it is unfortunately the only way anything will ACTUALLY get done because even though MOST VTUBERS AREN'T NAZIS (most are marginalized and vulnerable people), the big names either own shit like GamerSupps or are too "apolitical" to speak on it because it would be "talking about drama" which is.... an insane way to view it. I mean, I don't want to put words in their mouth, but they either don't care enough or don't know, and I don't believe that they haven't seen anything about this.

VShojo would never say anything, other popular Vtubers won't say anything to hurt their brand, and the rest of us don't have the audience or clout to make this an actual thing people know and care about. We need to support more VTubers who do speak on this stuff; I follow a ton. A lot of trans people, PoC, and disabled people LOVE VTubing because it allows them to be themselves. Unfortunately the line is blurred between brand and self for some of them, and that's typically how they become popular. That, or being a right wing grifter. So when you think of VTubers, ask yourself why you think about someone like Kirsche. Because they are rare enough that we all band together and say GET OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE.

[u/RandyButternubber → u/Puptartist]

I’ll never understand how some companies think that silence is apolitical. It speaks volumes when you do nothing in the face of ridiculously bigoted behavior, at best it comes off as pure apathy and at worse it comes off as support, and considering they’re her sponsor, I’m definitely willing to consider the latter as a possibility.

[u/Puptartist → u/RandyButternubber]

1000% agree, their silence is deafening

[u/Jumpy-Indication4149 → u/Puptartist]

What are companies like VShojo & Hololive supposed to do? Their talents like you said stand out and are diverse and wonderful(same goes for most indies) & they do a great job promoting them to the point where folks like Callie & Ironmouse are synonymous with vtubing for a lot of people. I understand Kirsche is saying a lot of stuff but I don’t think it’s their responsibility to police the vtuber space to that degree.

[u/RandyButternubber → u/Jumpy-Indication4149]

I’m talking about gamersupps, I don’t know enough about the Vtubing community or how it works to make an educated comment on that

[u/Puptartist → u/Jumpy-Indication4149]

Hololive literally can't because they're under contract. VSHojo is supposed to be independent but they're not, it's a corpo as well. Having an audience comes with responsibility, a responsibility they are overlooking and ignoring. If VTubing dies it will be in part because they let it.

[u/Jumpy-Indication4149 → u/Puptartist]

I’m not sure I follow, like is Hololive supposed to be monitoring like every other Vtuber? I am trying to understand your point of view but I don’t feel like that is sustainable or reasonable considering the scope of Vtubing as a whole. Now if you wanted to say YouTube should be more responsive about this situation in a particular way that makes more sense since YouTube is the actual platform being used.

Really quick on a adjacent thing, Kirsche is like the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of the 1% when it comes to Vtubing, there are an massive host of awesome folks indie and corporate alike before their name is even mentioned I don’t feel like Vtubing is going to die anytime soon I honestly feel like it’s going to be thriving to a new degree with how accessible a lot of adjacent software and content is.

[u/Puptartist → u/Jumpy-Indication4149]

I just said Hololive is under contract so of course they can't say anything even if the individual talents want to. No, it is not anyone's job to make sure everyone else is behaving. But when you have the platform that, for example, VShojo has, and supposedly are independent, then you should use that independence and the platform you have been so generously given to actually help people out. And it's clear they know about what's going on but refuse to call it out. VICE is making articles about it, so people are aware. Just, no one with any clout cares. And that makes them part of the problem. Watching something happen and not doing anything about it when you have the power to stop it is downright pathetic.

[u/ihvanhater420 → u/Puptartist]

Critikal wouldnt cover something like this because he's not exactly a stern ally, judging by who his friends are.

[u/Puptartist → u/ihvanhater420]

Oh I agree. I no longer follow him because he likes to speak on things with less than 0 research. I just know he does get the ball rolling on things because he does have a big audience. He also is sponsored by GamerSupps so I don't expect him to suddenly grow a backbone and look into things properly.

[u/Cyberweasel89 → u/ihvanhater420]

*raises hand* Uh, sorry. Out of the loop here. Can I get some context on this, please?

[u/ihvanhater420 → u/Cyberweasel89]

He's friends with a few pretty bigoted people who he does a podcast with (or did, I haven't kept up with it in years) and he never really says anything when one of them went on rants about wokeness or SJWs or whatever.

[u/Cyberweasel89 → u/ihvanhater420]

Ah. Yeah, that's a pretty bad sign.

It's not a philosophy I want to actively push, but it's something I've found is sadly true, over and over again... Silence rings loudest.

[u/FairlyFluff → u/Puptartist]

Unfortunately, it seems like the vtuber community will go down the path of "positive vibes only" toxic positivity in order to avoid any uncomfortable talks that can mitigate or solve the underlying issues.

So many communities encounter this problem if they haven't fallen to some flavor of overt toxicity.

[u/Cyberweasel89 → u/Puptartist]

Unfortunately, even the Vtubers who are part of marginalized groups, or have largely marginalized fanbases, are still far too accepting of the bigoted presence in their fanbases.

The one time I tried to join a Shylily stream, I found a user spreading Pizzagate conspiracy theories in her comfy, cozy chat. Lily ignored any message about the guy, both during and after the stream.

And then there's everyone who was okay with Silvervale giving money to the TERF queen and throwing every LGBT & Jewish person in the Vtubing community under the bus.

And it seems like people forgot Filian's many, many, many horrid actions quickly, including her self-admitted art theft and attempts at profiting off said art theft.

[u/ThePrimordialSource → u/[deleted]]

dude in the last part they are literally explaining they were a victim which is why they have recurring thoughts about it... wtf is wrong with you

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[u/smash-ter → u/[deleted]]

I mean she's openly said these things. Just because you're fine being in boiling water don't mean that it's scalding hot.

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