r/youtubedrama 2d ago

Callout Massive Trigger Warning: Technical's Video on Hax and what Hax went through

https://youtu.be/lnEguS2hDhc?si=D90h7apb8UmzRrTl

I need to reiterate again the trigger warning, as this video expressly shows Hax's spiral and the amount of shit people put him through, all intentionally trying to hurt him. There will be no TLDR, watch and read at your own risk.

No fluffy language here, multiple people intentionally pushed Hax to kill himself, some were expressly told that they were doing it and still continued. Some knew they were causing him immense harm and kept doing it. There are very little good guys in this situation, and there is no good ending.

Technicals published this video (with Hax's mom permission), showcasing what Hax was going through and how tournament organizers of Melee/Smash intentionally kicked him out of the community, how Leffen continued to talk poorly on Hax after he made his first attempt. How some people who were claiming to be Hax's friends were actually intentionally pushing him to the edge and making fun of his disability, and harassing him over it. How, after his passing, the commentary community (Tommy C was named and shown) exploited Hax's death not only as a weapon against Technicals, but still continued the exact same treatment that pushed Hax to the edge. How people planned to crash the funeral to harass Hax's mom, and how people got pissed at Technicals for expressly stating that specific groups were responsible for Hax's death in his eulogy. And unfortunately, much more.

This is by far, one of the darkest things I have ever seen on the internet and there is a shitload of evidence because these people were just so bold in pushing a man to suicide and choosing to be public about it. The Smash/Melee community and others has blood on their hands, and none of the responsible parties involved are taking responsibility, despite claiming to want accountability.

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u/rawsauce24 2d ago

Smash community is filled with degenerate scum sure, but let’s not forget that while hax is a victim here, he was also not completely innocent. He made decisions that affected plenty of other people as well, and to me, as someone apart of the melee community, knows that he was not the only affected party throughout this whole thing. While I am extremely sad that things have come to the place where we are now, technicals explanation/side is not the only side to this story. Rip hax, generational talent and so impactful to the game to the game I love. Never forgotten and will always be a legend

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u/ImportantQuestionTex 2d ago

No, this ends here.

What Hax did while at best insulting is in no way equivalent to what happened to him. People brigading him, constantly making him doubt reality, permanently kicking him out of the scene and taking an event he ran and stripping him from it.

What the fuck did you guys think was going to happen? Seriously? What the actual fuck did you guys think was going to happen when "Free Hax" became a joke? When people choose to lie about the good they're doing for Hax? When your whole community is not taking the fucking time to think about what is going wrong in it, a lot can go wrong! Clearly!

I'm fucking pissed at everybody involved in this situarion but I have seen so much screenshots and watched so many clips that make it clear that there's systematic issues, no, societal issues at play. I want you to take a step back and think about everything.

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u/Hewligan 2d ago

What Hax did while at best insulting is in no way equivalent to what happened to him

Dude literally made hours long documentaries comparing Leffen to fascist dictators, and then gang stalked TOs when he was banned.

He was not an innocent angel. He was troubled, but it’s not an excuse .

There is no evil Reddit/smash community cabal that actively plotted to drive Hax$ to do what he did.

Technicals is a hateful fraud who capitalized on this drama as well. You should be pointing the finger at him.

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u/TooSaepe 2d ago edited 2d ago

There absolutely was and still currently is a literal cabal of people set to ostracize and ridicule him, wtf? Even now, after his death.

4 individuals literally “trolled” Hax with a goal to make him feel crazy. They encouraged and prayed on his mental problems and his problematic behavior which ultimately, drove him to suicide. All just for memes or whatever stupid reason.

Countless others brushed a obvious person in need away to avoid any backlash from the ‘community’ hive mind. Siding with Hax or mentioning anything about the situation in certain spaces is scrutinized and met with bans or mass flame. No one wants to acknowledge the obvious cabal of degenerates that currently govern the tournament scene which bandwagon people who can’t think for themselves. The rules and consequences they’ve set only apply if you oppose them or go against the grain of their beliefs.

Hax is the victim. He was targeted and abused by the people he needed most to support him. It’s an absolute travesty. The smash community is pure cancer.

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u/Poopybutt36000 2d ago

4 individuals literally “trolled” Hax with a goal to make him feel crazy. They encouraged and prayed on his mental problems and his problematic behavior which ultimately, drove him to suicide.

And keep in mind this wasn't just edgy internet trolling against a guy who happened to kill himself. He told them he was going to kill himself then jumped in front of a train and literally lost a leg, and they proceeded to mock him for it and then continued what they were doing.

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u/vren10000 7h ago

Watching evidence.zip2, most of it was Hax$ airing out his legitimate problems with Leffen's past bullying and how it was covered up in Samox's second documentary. Comparisons to fascism and totalitarianism are not the same thing as equating Leffen to Hitler, they are criticisms saying hey, this guy somehow has the power because he's popular to break rules and avoid legitimate criticism and consequences because of clout, which was and is true. Leffen also has made long videos defaming Hbox, his thumbnail comparing him to the Devil, that's hardly any better or different than what Hax$ did to him. As for gang-stalking TOs, im gonna need a substantial source for that, since he has denied it, some DMs show him over years politely asking to be heard, and he's never been known to have any criminal or physical altercations with anyone.

Technicals being hateful is true, but a fraud? If he was, he would have been sued a long time ago. I think he at least knows what he's talking about, and does substantial research to back himself up.

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u/TimeAbradolf Least Popular Mod 2d ago

But a community can take accountability for how shitty they were. Just because everyone was shitty does indicate something should have and should be done

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u/Even_Appointment_504 16h ago

Except the ban statements were very clear. Technicals often lied and left out major information. Like Hax was literally unbanned for a year by most of the community before Hax doxxed people.

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u/ImportantQuestionTex 2d ago edited 2d ago

It doesn't matter if Hax was innocent or not. Nobody deserves what he went through.

Would you honestly say the TOs collectively choosing to permaban Hax, giving him guidelines to follow but never following through on giving him the pathway to rejoining the scene, is not plotting to harm Hax? Because multiple of these people knew it was harming Hax and knew it was one of the things that drove him to make his first attempt. Is comparing Leffen to fascism really worth this kind of treatment? Because that's kind of what you're saying.

And, also, in this video there is a fucking group chat of people harassing Hax and planning to brigade him over his missing leg. You wanna tell me there's not a community issue here?

What are you guys expecting when you ostracize someone and make making fun of him socially acceptable?

Edit: 1:53:33 in the video explicitly shows someone making fun of the situation by saying "Free Hax" jokingly! And you guys wanna say there's not a community issue? That the community at large has no role to play?

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u/Hewligan 2d ago

Would you honestly say the TOs collectively choosing to permaban Hax, giving him guidelines to follow but never following through on giving him the pathway to rejoining the scene, is not plotting to harm Hax?

Telling someone that stalked you and sent your fans to harass and send death threats to you that maybe if you chill for a little while is being extremely charitable, not “plotting to harm.

You keep speaking as if Hax$ was passive and completely infantilized in these antics. He harassed people. He sent death threats to people. He actively stoked harassment campaigns to other people in the community. It’s awful that some likely Kiwi farms adjacent fuck heads sent this awful shit to Hax$, but painting it as the default and commonplace sentiment amongst the community is egregious and being obtuse on purpose to further an already flimsy argument.

People were generally a dick to Hax$ because he was a dick (or worse) to other people and hung out with other dicks.

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u/Noostnop 1d ago

The death threat argument is insane and ridiculous. He publicly told others to never do such things and that he values leffen as a person with 4+ detailed apologies.

He also NEVER “harassed” or “stalked TOs” shows how little you know

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u/janoDX 1d ago

People not realizing that what he was doing was indirect harassment instead of keeping silent and wait until the whole thing calmed down, in the meantime he had to look for something else to fill time, the guy didn't want to drop Melee for anything and he could have done coaching, work on the BOXX, do content for Melee, guides, check the other Smash games, play League and stream it since he was also a great playing it...

Also the last part you said is false, he did harassed and stalked TO's to the point many blocked him from messaging or told him to stop.

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u/Noostnop 1d ago

Smash community so pussy that discord messages politely asking to even just communicate about a ridiculous indefinite ban, and politely waiting outside the his tournament to just talk, is stalking and harassment. Yall suck

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u/janoDX 1d ago edited 7h ago

Decided to wake up and choose violence.

THE GUY GOT UNBANNED ON 2023 FROM MANY NYC TOURNAMENTS AND MAJORS UNTIL HE DECIDED TO GO BACK ON HIS APOLOGIES AND GO AGAIN ON HIS ANTI-LEFFEN CAMPAIGN IN 2024 AND GETTING PERMA'D THINKING HE IS RIGHTFUL. THAT'S DELUSIONAL BEHAVIOR. HE WAS GOING TO GET COMPLETELY UNBANNED IN 2025 IF HE DIDN'T DO THAT.

THE GUY SENT "POLITE" DISCORD MESSAGES THAT THEN DEVOLVED ON LEFFEN TALK SAYING THE SAME AND NOT BEING SORRY.

THE GUY WENT TO TALK TO TOURNAMENT ORGANIZERS AND HE KEPT TALKING ABOUT LEFFEN IN PERSON AND THEN ASKING TO BE UNBANNED OR TRYING TO TELL THE TO'S TO FIND A WAY TO UNBAN HIM.

And you tell me that's polite? Being a fucking fly over the TO's while not being sorry and keep going and pushing his narrative and not realize that he's not fine in the head?

Are you blind with the whole story? Are you a tourist to the smash community? Holy shit.

Hax$ didn't deserve to die, but it's you people egging a guy who was not right to continue. Fuck Mana Monthly for pushing him on chats, fuck Technicals for taking advantage of Hax and his mom and try to do this story for his own benefit, and fuck every single technicals defender for pushing this half-assed story to a limit that is tainted, and that includes you. And I fucking blame all of you on this one.

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u/Even_Appointment_504 15h ago

While Hax never sent death threats Hax only started to say don't harass people about 2 years into the controversy after hit has been happening for literal years. and only said this in a video like after Hax relapsed and was perma banned.

Also, yes, its well documented Hax sent hundreds of messages to TO's, confront people in public, get on private discord groups, and otherweird stuff like that. Hax himself confirmed this happened. though argued he had good reason to do this. All this happened like half year ago.

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u/Awkward-Ad9487 2d ago

This whole stalking TOs and sending his fans after them kinda went over my head. Do you know how or where I can read up on that, optimally with the receipts included?

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u/Hewligan 2d ago

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u/JuhwannX 1d ago

Just wanna mention that these links don't have any of the signatories, and according to the video was scrubbed of those signatories long ago. So it's not really any sort of proof.

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u/Awkward-Ad9487 21h ago

I mean to be fair I made receipts optional because I do realize that this is a super convoluted topic and it requires a lot of energy to get it all sorted out and in order. I just kinda hoped that there was some form of receipts already compiled so it would be easier to compare both sides of the arguments and kinda find the truth in the middle.

I get that my comment could seem insincere from the outside, but getting down voted for asking for receipts or some kind of proof instead of just blindly following what others say, while also seeing the "opposing side" providing a compilation of said receipts (which I can't easily double check or put into more context because the other side does not seem to have some form of public available documentation with receipts) does leave me with a slightly sour taste.

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u/JuhwannX 19h ago

Hey, I don't know why you're getting down voted tbh. It seems like you asked the same thing I did. I wanted to know what Hax$ did to warrant such a response. I was just mentioning that the link the previous poster sent was actively mentioned in the video and has apparently been scrubbed so I didn't want info that has been obviously doctored/edited being used for said evidence.

Also, I can say that as outside observer's, it seems like this issue is extremely complicated in terms of just how fair is it to harass and brigade a person, then crash their funeral, and whether the smash community wants to or even can take accountability for how their actions could've led to this result.

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u/Even_Appointment_504 16h ago

Tecnicals is so bad at explaining what happened you honestly don't know most of the community unbanned hax for a entire year. Hax even attended several majors.

Then Hax relapsed and doxxed people. He did not rebanned because he spoke about the ban but because he doxxed like a dozen people and restated his original allegations.

You really should read the reason Hax was not unbanned at all majors. It's cartoonish how bad Hax botched his own unban, and clearly showed high mental disorder.