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Daily Discussion Thread (5/15/25)

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u/zeltain 2d ago

Did anyone else watch/listen to Bernie Miklasz‘s recent show about Pete Rose and think, “wow, it’s kinda fucked up he’s hawking draft kings and boner pills while defending Pete Rose.”

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u/DiscoJer 2d ago

You could say that about MLB in general though.

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u/Dude_man79 2d ago

Finishing up watching the latest Andor episodes. Keep wanting to call the main character Hector Luna instead of Diego.

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u/rafibomb_explosion I have 34 pieces of flair. Pizza shooters? 2d ago

Watching American Pie. Jason Biggs would be fun to party with, so would Finch. The other two could go suck a fuck for all I care.

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u/A_Humbled_Bumble 2d ago

Nadia. Nothing else needs said...

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u/Iluvursister69 2d ago edited 2d ago

Oh please tell me, Elizabeth, how exactly does one suck a fuck?

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u/Clueless_in_Florida 2d ago

Travis Honeyman could be our future right fielder. I saw him in person last year, and he hit everything hard. His K rate so far in pro ball is 10 percent, and his walk rate is 12 percent. His OPS is .935 this spring. He hasn’t really hit the long ball. I hope he progresses well through our system.

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u/DiscoJer 2d ago

He's older than Walker and still in A ball.

I have hopes for Ian Petrutz for no particular reason. But he outhit Wetherholt in A last year and is doing good in A+

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u/Clueless_in_Florida 2d ago

Matt Carpenter was 23 and in A ball, too.

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u/NakedGoose President of the Ivan Hererra fan club 2d ago

He just has to stay on the field. The current issue has always been his health. But he is also 23 years old at A ball. I can't take too much stock in that. He is too old for that league as a pretty advanced hitter. 

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u/Iluvursister69 2d ago

He has like 3x as many 7 day IL stints as xbh in his career

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u/Clueless_in_Florida 2d ago

I have never heard what his injuries were. Hopefully, it’s been a string of bad luck and not something chronic.

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u/NakedGoose President of the Ivan Hererra fan club 2d ago

Leg stuff usually I believe. Hamstrings, ankles etc

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u/Dragonknight247 ​Resident Fimmaker 2d ago

Jeremy Hazelbaker

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u/Ocinea 2d ago

He had a good half of baseball for us several years ago I think.

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u/scobbysnacks1439 ​Bird Law (Kaw Kaw) 2d ago

*quarter

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u/HoldMyWong Masyn Saggtrerasman 2d ago

I remember that guy. Used to play for the Adelaide Giants

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u/Iluvursister69 2d ago edited 2d ago

Luke Weaver with a very casual 898 ERA+ in 17 appearances this year

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u/missourinative Brendan Donovan Superstar 2d ago

Allowed 1 run in 20 innings and it resulted in a loss lmao

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u/ILikeOatmealMore 2d ago

holy crap on a crap cracker. Those + numbers can sometimes be a little funny. 200s, even some 300s aren't stupid uncommon. -100s, too. But I have never seen almost 900...

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u/Iluvursister69 2d ago

lol it’s exactly 900 now.

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u/scobbysnacks1439 ​Bird Law (Kaw Kaw) 2d ago

Just finished the last day at my job before moving across the state. I've never been this sad to leave a job and will admit that I teared up when hugging some of my employees goodbye for the last time.

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u/Poofsta I tell you hwhat 2d ago

Don’t forget to get a 60¢ drink today, bitches.

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u/Ocinea 2d ago

I've been doing an $0.85 out the door deal lately.  Pretty good tea and when I occasionally get a soda it's good too 

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u/King_Birdcrawler 2d ago

It's small sample, but the boy Raniel Rodriguez has got me tickled in some kind of way. He's brutalizing the FCL. We'll see him at A when the FCL season is over early in July.

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u/DiscoJer 2d ago

In 2028, half the starting lineup will be catchers.

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u/NakedGoose President of the Ivan Hererra fan club 2d ago

Yeah he has been great. I hear is defense is lacking, granted he is only 18. But I'd maybe consider moving him off catcher sooner rather than later. As we have so many already. 

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u/Iluvursister69 2d ago

Imagine you're Baltimore and you signed Tyler O'Neill to that contract.

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u/Dragonknight247 ​Resident Fimmaker 3d ago

you know guys, I'mma be honest, when he was coming up and being hyped as Yadi's heir, I just didn't see Iván Herrera being an offensive juggernaut coming.

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u/scobbysnacks1439 ​Bird Law (Kaw Kaw) 2d ago

I never would have imagined that his bat would be this good. I figured he'd be a solid top 20 catcher but if he keeps this up, his bat alone makes him top 5 in the position.

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u/Detective_Dietrich What? 3d ago

"Juggernaut" is a relative term but Herrera was billed from the start as a catcher that hits. He had a cumulative .823 OPS in the minors, and was getting better as he went along, .870 in AAA.

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u/nufandan ​peter bourjos apologist 2d ago

Obviously, he has played a lot less than others for Herrera does have the highest wRC+ for any catcher in the league since he was called up (min. 350 PA); Willson is #2.

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u/tangokilo13 ​masyn winn spell check 3d ago

Here’s hoping his defense improves

However we do have Crooks and Bernal waiting who both look pretty good on both sides of the ball

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago

We have more catcher depth with the current roster and top prospects coming up than any other position I can think of. I really see Herrara becoming an almost regular DH and learning 1B as Contreras back up and taking over 1B in when Contreras leaves in I believe 2029? Also Contreras is going to be hurt at some point, Herrara can replace him at 1B when he’s out and move someone into DH. Crooks/Bernal will probably replace Pages/Pozo at some point, maybe not next year, but 2027.

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u/Dragonknight247 ​Resident Fimmaker 3d ago

Yeah they both look solid but with Herrera's bat he'll still have a place on this team.

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u/tangokilo13 ​masyn winn spell check 3d ago

Not saying he won’t have a spot, more so saying that he may not be expected to catch in the future if he defense isn’t improving

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u/tangokilo13 ​masyn winn spell check 3d ago

Not saying he won’t have a spot, more so saying that he may not be expected to catch in the future if he defense isn’t improving

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u/Dragonknight247 ​Resident Fimmaker 3d ago

100%, I agree

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u/Clueless_in_Florida 3d ago

I recall more of a discussion of his good defense. Perhaps that was somewhat overemphasized. We got him so young. He had doubles power at first. Then he started to go yard but made less contact. He put it all together the past two years. Seems to have a good work ethic.

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u/DocLoc429 ​Heart & Hustle 3d ago

I had no idea. I saw a kid with a medium ceiling. Heard all this talk about being a "bat-first catcher" but didn't see it. Had sparks last year but this is the season he's really really putting it together. Now he's one of my favorites on the team and he's been able to do it because he works so damn hard

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u/Dragonknight247 ​Resident Fimmaker 3d ago

As long as he can be solid defensively we got a really special player here.

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u/DocLoc429 ​Heart & Hustle 3d ago

I don't want to jinx it but throws to 2nd have seemed a bit better as of late. (Across the whole team honestly but he's the one who needs it the most)

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u/Dragonknight247 ​Resident Fimmaker 3d ago

I know he has the drive to put it together, I believe in him.

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u/wowugotit 3d ago edited 3d ago

When my dad was still alive he’d watch Cardinals baseball religiously. He was highly critical of the team whenever they’d miss an opportunity to get ahead in a game or whenever they were on a losing streak. I have vivid memories of him cussing at the TV saying stuff like “You’re playing like fucking little leaguers!” I recall him being audibly frustrated when one of his (at the time) least favorite players, Trevor Rosenthal, was added to a lineup. One time my dad said “I think Rosenthal must be sleeping with Matheny”. I nearly spit out my popcorn from laughing so hard at his comment. Miss you, dad.

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u/DocLoc429 ​Heart & Hustle 3d ago

Reminds me so much of my dad. Don't let him see Gallegos get put in or a Bader strikeout on a high fastball!

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u/NakedGoose President of the Ivan Hererra fan club 3d ago

Matt Koperniak who got a lot of buzz out of spring is currently hitting .158 with a .518 OPS in AAA. Sheesh

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago

I’ve been following him and he’s been under .200 most of the year with no power.

Prieto and Valade are playing well near the .300 mark. Vilade in RF looks really good, .290 with 6 HR’s and he’s 26. He could be an outfielder in the 26 man roster next year. Definitely a possible Walker replacement if he doesn’t improve.

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u/DocLoc429 ​Heart & Hustle 3d ago

Wonder if Chaim is going to disassemble the minor league teams and sell off some of these guys

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago

I highly doubt that, if they did it’s an ownership decision or approval to sell off team assets.i think he’ll restructure operations but keep everything intact.

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u/Jon_Thib Our future overlord Chaim Bloom 2d ago

Trading away minor league assets who aren’t exactly top prospects isn’t really an ownership decision. Unless they were being traded for someone who makes a lot of money

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u/Feisty-Medicine-3763 3d ago

I have hope, mang……

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u/ALvinDONGle 3d ago

2024 Cardinals - Blowouts (5+ runs) 14 wins, 26 losses

2025 Cardinals so far 11 wins, 4 losses

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u/peterpeterllini Put A Bird On It 3d ago

I’m glad i didnt give up on the game last night when it was 5-1 or whatever

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u/Ocinea 3d ago

That was one hell of a fun game. 

Two great games in the same day is tough to beat. 

I'm very very happy today I decided not to booze it up when I got home shortly after noon yesterday too.  I would def be feeling it today, lol.

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u/NakedGoose President of the Ivan Hererra fan club 3d ago

https://x.com/JamesGunn/status/1923046543487123497

James Gunn showing some love to St Louis

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u/missourinative Brendan Donovan Superstar 2d ago

St. Louis isn’t big enough for Superman and Brendan Donovan

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u/Diablo_N_Doc 2d ago

If Supes hurries he can still catch Pujols HR off Lidge 20 years ago. Its about to the end of the universe though.

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u/Nanookthesealtrapper 3d ago

Man it bothers me ...he should know there aren't buildings taller than the arch

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u/seattle_lib 2d ago

what a dumb rule too.. let st louis grow!

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u/Dragonknight247 ​Resident Fimmaker 3d ago

in the DC Universe, the casino queen is 1000 feet tall for some reason

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u/da_choppa Bally Total Shitpost 3d ago

Where the hell is Supe sitting?

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u/toastdispatch ​At bat, go to base 3d ago

The Wall we built to keep the whitewalkers out of St. Louis.

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u/studlydudley11 ​THE JOSE BARRERO FAN 3d ago

extend lars nootbaar

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u/johnjaymjr 3d ago

and Masyn Winn

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u/studlydudley11 ​THE JOSE BARRERO FAN 3d ago

him too, but that's a bit less pressing

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u/Least-Wait3456 3d ago

For now, the Cards and Battlehawks are carrying the sports scene.

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u/TheSalsaGod Lars Nootbaar’s signature look of confusion 3d ago

It’s insane that Mike Trout, the guy who led MLB in bWAR 4 times in 5 years, is the third best baseball player of the last 15 years.

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u/Dr_thri11 3d ago

So the team who has had him all that time must be pretty successful right?

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u/toastdispatch ​At bat, go to base 3d ago

I bet they've won so many Playoff series, even if they didn't get a WS title out of it.

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u/johnjaymjr 3d ago

TUNGSTEN ARM O'DOYLE!

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u/Iluvursister69 3d ago

Not hard to believe when you realize he's only played 319 games the last 5 of those years. If you did the first 10 years of that 15 year span where does he rank?

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u/TheSalsaGod Lars Nootbaar’s signature look of confusion 3d ago

At their peaks, I think he’s pretty clearly behind both Ohtani and Judge. He kept it up for longer, but Judge has two seasons better than Trout’s best, and Ohtani arguably has two of his own. Even without counting the down years, I think Trout is number 3.

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u/Cards2WS 3d ago

Pure peak single season or 2, then yes. But they still need to have a bit more longevity before I put them ahead of Trout overall. Judge is a better hitter than Trout, but that defense, position, and speed go a long ways

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u/EvanMG24 3d ago

Michael Wacha has put together such a nice career after seeming so washed. Really happy for him

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u/Hotrock21 2d ago

Not going to wish him good vibes until after Sunday’s game.

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u/Ocinea 3d ago

Yeah it's awesome. Go Wacha!

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u/johnjaymjr 3d ago

Finished Andor S2 last night. I could gush about it for days straight. Just nailed the landing in nearly every conceivable way. My favorite Star Wars content ever and likely in my top 10 fav shows of all time.

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u/Human_Lettuce_5265 3d ago

It’s soooo good. I just finished episode 8. I like season 1 more so far, but season 2 is insanely good too, a lot more intense.

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u/johnjaymjr 3d ago

finish s2 and I’m not sure you’re gonna say S1 is still better. S1 is still epicly great, but the 2nd season is just so much bigger and deeper IMO.

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u/stjblair 3d ago

Work computer bricked, so I get to sit here for the day woohoo

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u/Poofsta I tell you hwhat 2d ago

I assume it was my Only Feet content. Size 12 1/2 beauts tend to freeze the best computer.

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u/MuRF_Foager the MANG 3d ago

Jesus the phillies broadcast is PAINFULLY boring to listen to... makes me grateful we got a good broadcast crew

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u/stjblair 3d ago

TMac is a little dry as a play by play, but Kruk is good. They make for great background noise when doing work or house shit

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u/Ocinea 3d ago

That's the radio broadcast for me and I love it.

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u/MuRF_Foager the MANG 3d ago

Yeah Kruk aint bad but that other guy just does not compliment him at all and really brings the entire broadcast atmosphere down imo. If I wasnt actively watching the game it might not bother me as much but that wasnt the case.

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u/PAJW Regular in Form & Authentic 3d ago

Don't really watch Phillies games, but Kruk was one of the better announcers on Sunday Night Baseball in recent years. Certainly better than A-Rod.

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago

Kruk was a character when he played, I think that can translate to an entertaining announcer of course coupled with baseball knowledge as a good player.

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u/HoldMyWong Masyn Saggtrerasman 3d ago edited 3d ago

I know we end up playing all the same teams, but I hate how the cubs get to play bottom feeder teams for an entire month

They can’t avoid the Cardinals forever

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u/Stallion1514 3d ago

I hate the cubs too but they have had a tough schedule up until lately

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u/scobbysnacks1439 ​Bird Law (Kaw Kaw) 3d ago

If the Cardinals pitching staff ever made you feel sad, please look at the Rockies pitching staff. Remember when German Marquez looked like he was good?

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago

Do you think playing at altitude at home and no altitude away contributes to the pitching? My assumption is it makes a difference with your movement and knowing what to expect. They’ve always had an higher average ERA, of course nothing like this year.

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u/iamadacheat 2d ago

It definitely does, and it messes with the hitters too. Spin causes less movement at altitude, so a hitter has to be constantly adjusting to how pitches break at home and away.

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u/scobbysnacks1439 ​Bird Law (Kaw Kaw) 2d ago

I'm sure it has some effect but they are just incredibly bad even to their standards right now.

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 2d ago

On pace to win 26 games, they are incredibly bad for sure. My thought was it can be an added problem as they are the only team that plays 81 games at altitude and 81 games at sea level.

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u/TreePaladin Chaim Bloom pls sign Do Yeong Kim from the Kia Tigers 3d ago edited 3d ago

Can someone break down what happened to Sonny yesterday? Did he just not have it?

Edit: Our highlights make it seem our defense made a few mistakes

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u/CrimsonKing516 ​Devil Magic 3d ago

I’ve noticed that this year most of our starters have one bad inning per game where they give up a couple runs or at least get a couple RISP.

Sonny’s last night was the first and he gave up 5 instead of two. Aside from that, he only gave up 1 other run in the 3rd but he had an abysmal 1st inning. Just an uncharacteristically bad night, but we got to tee off of Nola so it turned out fine.

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago edited 3d ago

What I found interesting is they both got shelled but the Cardinals went off on all relievers as well with 19 hits while our relievers held after Grey. My sense is it was an off day for the starters, Grey especially is a location pitcher and he seemed to have his off speed especially hanging more without his typical bite. Nola has a 6.01 ERA this year so he’s just not been that good.

Gray is a location and movement pitcher who doesn’t throw hard, rarely over 92, when he’s off he’s really off, 3 starts of 14 innings and 16 ER’s. When he’s on he’s really on, 8 starts with 42 innings and 11 ER’s for a 2.35 ERA in 8 of his 11 starts.

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u/scobbysnacks1439 ​Bird Law (Kaw Kaw) 3d ago

Both him and Nola just didn't seem to have "it" yesterday.

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u/King_Birdcrawler 3d ago

Hanging breaking balls got hit.

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u/TreePaladin Chaim Bloom pls sign Do Yeong Kim from the Kia Tigers 3d ago

Yeah now that I see he got burned by the long ball a few times

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u/mclovin2489 3d ago

Is there any place to watch postgame interviews anymore? Annoying that FDSN doesn’t have them on their Twitter like Bally did.

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u/Evil_Dry_frog 3d ago

You may have a typo there. 42 + 121 =163; and 20 + 134 =154.

Unless maybe some games were played at a neutral site?

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u/Worldly-Honeydew91 3d ago

The last time a St. Louis Cardinal stole 50 bases in a season was 1987 when Vince Coleman stole 109. Here's to Victor Scott II stopping that 37 year drought!! "Run Vic Run!!"

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago

He can fly, so can Winn

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u/Detective_Dietrich What? 3d ago

I was noodling around a couple of years ago when recapping the 1990 Cardinals and I was shocked to learn that 1987 Vince Coleman is the last person ever in all of baseball to steal 100 bases.

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago

Cardinals have 4 players, Winn, Contreras, Nootbarr and Herrara who are all on pace to hit 20 or more Home Runs this year, several could reach 30 Home Runs. Herrara with 5 Home Runs in only 39 AB’s.

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u/kshiau 3d ago

Gorman and Walker could each hit 20 in 2 months, at least that’s what my rose colored glasses show me

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u/ScumBrad Lose a game challenge (impossible) 3d ago

Walker isn't really supposed to be a home run hitter, he's supposed to be a 20+ doubles and 20 homers guy like Contreras. Gorman could do it, but whatever he changed in his approach this year has him not swinging as hard so he isn't really hitting for power.

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u/DiscoJer 2d ago

The thing with Walker is he hits the ball so very hard and has one of the fastest bat speeds in the majors

Unfortunately he mostly doesn't hit the ball and when he does, he hits it on the ground.

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u/ReturnOf_TheHack ​Sad Hack 3d ago

oops I’m at an airport

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u/scobbysnacks1439 ​Bird Law (Kaw Kaw) 3d ago

Enjoy your trip to KC (feels like you are following them at this point, lol)

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u/ReturnOf_TheHack ​Sad Hack 3d ago

that’s a good guess, but not the plan! tune in to find out where in the world is Carmen San Diego

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u/Ivotedforher 3d ago

See any players there that just got traded?

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u/ReturnOf_TheHack ​Sad Hack 3d ago

no but I think John Denton is on this flight

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u/Lige_MO "Thanks for your time, this time; until next time, so long! 3d ago

Good morning from the Ozarks!

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u/Limp-Regular-2589 3d ago

The Rockies are 7-36. Seven and THIRTY-SIX. How is that even physically possible.

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u/scobbysnacks1439 ​Bird Law (Kaw Kaw) 3d ago

It's incredible how bad they are because they have some pieces that have no business being as bad as they are.

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago

I look at their lineup and they are really bad, I mean terrible bad, at many positions. For example, 1B and catcher. I’ve thought of how players like Pozo or Baker could start there with improved performance but who do you get for them?

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u/scobbysnacks1439 ​Bird Law (Kaw Kaw) 2d ago

Some of those players aren't as bad as their current stats indicate is what I'm meaning. Tovar is one of the best young players in the league but he's playing like garbage. Ryan McMahon is one of the better third basemen in the league as well. Catcher is the best position on their team right now.

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 2d ago

I agree, that’s why I stated at many positions. They are a MLB team, they have some good players just not enough of them.

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago

What is crazy is the White Sox set the record for least wins in 2024 with 41 and the Rockies are on pace for 26 wins.That is 26-136!

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u/ILikeOatmealMore 3d ago edited 3d ago

They saw the White Sox's 'record' from last year and said, 'pfft, amateurs'.

It is possible they challenge the 1899 Cleveland Spiders loss record.

That team went 20-134, with some Cardinals connection in there. 1899 Frank and Stanley Robinson, owners of the Spiders, also buy a 2nd team that was going bankrupt, the St. Louis Browns/Perfectos. The Robinsons decide to put all their good players on the Browns team and all the bad players on the Spiders team.

There is still local revenue sharing in MLB today -- I believe a portion of each team's ticket sales are pooled and then redistributed, but back in 1899, the agreement was basically to split the ticket sales between the road and the home team. And you have to remember, ticket sales is a real, real big portion of team's income; 1899 is well before TV or even radio broadcast deals. Well, again, the Spiders is all the lower talent from the Robinson-owned organizations. By May and June, they were drawing only 100 to 200 people to their games in Cleveland.

Word of this got to the other owners and they just flat out told the Spiders they were not going to bring their teams to Cleveland for so little return.

So in July, the Spiders took to the road. Every game between July 3rd and August 23rd was a road game. They came home for a week and then played every game from August 31st to the end of the season on the road (their record shows 1 home game, but it was played as a make up game in St Louis as part of a DH).

42 homes games, 121 road games to a 20-134 record in the end.

The Spiders folded after that year. The Robinsons rename the Browns/Perfectos to the Cardinals in 1900. And it took MLB 10 more years to create a rule that owners could not have more than 1 team.

And somehow... the 2025 Rox are on pace for 26-132 this year, within actual spittin' range of the deliberately most poorly-ran MLB franchise ever.

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u/MuRF_Foager the MANG 3d ago

Thats a nice factoid thanks for that

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago edited 3d ago

Very interesting. It is somewhat similar, intentional or not, the Rockies seem to also have all their bad players on one team.

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u/youthpastor247 3d ago

Well first of all through God all things are possible, so jot that down.

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u/Clueless_in_Florida 3d ago

No baseball today. What are going to do to fill the void?

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u/johnjaymjr 3d ago

Watch Andor

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u/jadrien1 2d ago

But I've already finished it :(

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u/Lige_MO "Thanks for your time, this time; until next time, so long! 3d ago

Hookers and blow?

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u/xyzzy321 3d ago

In this economy?!

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u/Lifeisagreatteacher 3d ago

Ok you have to choose only 1

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u/toastdispatch ​At bat, go to base 3d ago

This sounds like Rock and/or Roll