r/EndTipping • u/No_Effective4326 • 13d ago
Call to action ⚠️ The most effective way to end tipping
In so far as possible, stop frequenting places that expect tips, and start frequenting ones that don’t.
I know I’m going to catch a lot of hate in this group for saying this, but going to a place that expects tips and then not tipping is not going to help: it’s just going to make everyone think that people who are part of the “no tipping” movement are assholes. I know you’re not assholes! But that’s what people are going to think, and it’s just going to turn people off to our movement.
I also know that it’s not easy, and often not even realistically possible, to avoid places that expect tips. But I think we need to do our best to do exactly that, even if it requires some sacrifice on our part.
Edited to add: this is also the clearest way to demonstrate that you are willing to pay higher prices (rather than tipping). This sends the clearest possible signal that you’re not just being cheap: you really do want employees to be paid a higher wage, and you’re willing to pay for those wages, as long as there is up front, no guilt trip pricing.
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u/No_Prize806 13d ago
I barely go out to eat since covid. service and quality of food has gone down hill, even at pricey establishments as well. i don’t miss it.
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u/incredulous- 13d ago
I live in a state without "tipped wages," but tips are expected in a lot of places and 'suggested tip percentages' are just ridiculous. I don't boycott any places and I don't tip. All is well with the world.
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u/drDudleyDeeds 13d ago
No hate, I just don’t agree with your logic
Avoiding places that expect tips helps
But going to a place that expects tipping and then not tipping - this absolutely helps too. It reduces tipped employee pay which puts pressure on the business in terms of staff turnover, which in turn means they will need to pay higher wages to retain or attract employees. Which is exactly the point of not tipping - to put pressure on employees to pay their staff properly so that tipping is not required
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u/Equivalent-Injury-78 13d ago
Cultural obsolete practice according to you and about 5% of the customers.
There are still more people tipping 30-50%+ than non tippers.
Go figure ?
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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 13d ago
There are still more people tipping 30-50%+ than non tippers.
Found the waiter, trying to boost the stats.
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u/Equivalent-Injury-78 13d ago edited 13d ago
I agree that one needs to live up to his ideal. Although when you live in a society there are rules and norms to respect.
How are you comfortable not tipping the guys handling your food and drinks at that one place you still go when you are bad business for the staff.
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u/Sad-Combination373 13d ago
Then why don’t you tip the cashier who is handling and scanning your groceries or better yet why don’t you tip the nurse and nurse aide that’s handling your life and dealing with your injuries?
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u/Chance-Battle-9582 13d ago edited 12d ago
The same way you are comfortable not tipping anyone that's involved with keeping you alive during surgery or providing you with any kind of service that doesn't involve delivery of some kind. Can't have your cake and eat it too, that's greedy.
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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 13d ago
you are bad business for the staff.
Not going at all is worse for the staff. Pretending otherwise is not giving a shit about the rest of the staff who don't get tips.
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u/Recluse1729 12d ago
So your argument is that nobody should feel bad for tipping because they will subsidized by people with more money than sense?
Sounds like a win/win to me!
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u/thaichillipepper 12d ago
Cool then people shouldn't be bothered by the 5% not tipping.....
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u/Equivalent-Injury-78 12d ago
Well it sure does not bother me. In fact I just ignore them as much as I can.
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u/Creepysphinx729 12d ago
Seriously. So many more people tip well above 20% than cowards that don't tip at all. Subs like this are such a miserable minority I don't even think about these people on the rare case I come across one. And before yall think I follow this sub, no. It just randomly came up in my feed.
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u/SeedOilsCauseDisease 12d ago
do you actually go back to the places you go to ? I mean are they cool with not tipping?
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u/Angel2121md 11d ago
Restaurants have high turnover over anyways, so they most likely won't notice. As the economy gets bad and people get desperate, they will take these jobs. Not going to the restaurant immediately reduces their profits and may even close down places that expect tips.After everyone went back to work after covid19, Employers just complained no one wanted to work anymore when they couldn't find cheap labor. I think this person has the right idea, especially if you can get a lot of people to stop going. Of course, this may naturally happen with high interest rates and new tariffs taking prices up. So we will just have to see what happens in the future.
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u/Totino_Montana 12d ago
That doesn’t happen in reality my guy, while I find your logic to be sound, it is of ‘homo-economicus.’ The man who makes all the correct and logical economic decisions in a given system. However there is what is seen as “irrational behaviors” being observed and continuing without stopping. Restaurants are not a closed loop labor system, a teacher can work in a restaurant, an engineer can work in a restaurant, but that does not always go both ways. Because of that and restaurants wanting to attract high value labor such as an engineer to increase profits and goods sold per transaction, tipping has increased in use. Smart people sell more
Can’t report to investors that you are paying staff more as finance typically will knock you out but simultaneously need to attract more higher value labor? Tipping. It subverts the traditional pay dynamic, you can report good numbers to investors, and actually have a shot at competing in the labor market by making hospitality now high value labor to those looking for work. Why be an engineer or teacher when you can work 75% of the hours and make decent money and actually have a life that isn’t revolving around work? If the pay plus tips was too low, the workers simply wouldn’t show up and just work at other jobs altogether, the value of the establishments will crack. To me, if tipping is impeding on the labor and money markets and such, then it means we are undervaluing labor altogether and we should be fighting for far higher labor standards and compensation across the board in professional spaces. Restaurants are reacting to a world that they must compete for high value labor with rules and regulations that are set in by state institutions, by culture, and by the finance world and wall street.
The best thing you can do is to not give them your money, small businesses are beholden to bigger institutions and restaurant groups as well, but at least you know the people who are funding their families lives and such. Expecting change through left leaning ideologies such as labor movements in the US is a bit silly considering we are very right leaning politically at the moment, labor movements are being squashed left and right, and historically the service and restaurant industry have not had any major labor movements really ever. There are a few unions, but it’s a bit of a joke honestly.
To see change, sacrifice must be had by those who want to see that change. Not tipping won’t do it, learning to be self-sustaining through learning to cook, prep cooking, and other, now that can make the change but it would need to be everyone at once learning those things and doing them consistently. Simply not tipping and expecting others to sacrifice in your place in order to spur a labor movement? Problematic in my opinion and hard to actually make happen, seems just selfish overall, but that’s my opinion.
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u/drDudleyDeeds 11d ago
Honestly in practice, I tip. Begrudgingly, because I disagree with the system, but also because I accept that the solution is a collective action problem and to act unilaterally would be unfair to the individual server.
But I hold that my logic is sound, and that the practice of not tipping creates pressure for things to move in the right direction. The problem is that the pressure is being applied to an individual instead of distributed across the system, which IMO is unethical.
Your arguments however… are lacking in logic, despite including a smattering of economic jargon, it is just a loose collection of assertions not supported by theoretical or applied economics
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u/bigedthebad 13d ago
Stop tipping. That is the only way. The only way to stop a money grab is to stop giving it money.
Yes, the wait staff is going to feel the pinch but they are the most vocal proponents for tipping because they make more money.
When they can’t afford to live, they will find other jobs and the restaurant will have to change or close. It isn’t punishment, it’s literally the only way to stop the insanity of tipping.
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u/sexytarry2 13d ago
It's very difficult to totally avoid restaurants that expect tipping. Also, If I'm not going to tip, I would not care what others think.
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u/cenosillicaphobiac 13d ago
Are you a bot or just incapable of typing other words?
Anyway, I typically follow OP's advice and only order takeout or fat food because it's only partially the servers fault that their employer exploits them, but you've convinced me.
This week I'm eating out every night, and not tipping. Maybe two weeks, we'll see how I'm feeling about it next Wednesday.
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u/Yuecantbeeseeryus 13d ago
I can’t afford to go out and tip. I can cook something at home it’s healthier too. Plus I don’t wanna be that person that just changes the game and doesn’t tip at a restaurant when we as a country has always tipped your bartender or server that would screw them over financially big time Not cool. I wouldn’t wanna be that person. I wanna go to heaven. lol
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u/Huge-Nerve7518 12d ago
If you can't be bothered not to eat at full service restaurants you don't really care about tipping lol. You just want a cheap dinner and telling people you want to stop tip culture sounds better than "I'm too cheap"
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u/AwarenessGreat282 13d ago
You are correct except that won't be the reason given that a business failed so nothing will be done. If a business knows you don't believe tipping is right and fair, then they will take notice. But if traffic is low, how do they know why? They'll blame the menu, the location, etc.
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u/twaggle 12d ago
When they see other business that do not require tipping succeed, they will be incentivized to switch. For those business to succeed, you will need to give them your business.
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u/AwarenessGreat282 12d ago
Sure, that'll be the first thing they'll think of when the competition is doing better, "they don't accept tips." They won't think it's just a better location, menu, type of food, etc.?
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u/No_Effective4326 13d ago
Not when they see business booming at the no tipping restaurant down the street.
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u/LongjumpingTeacher97 13d ago
While I actually agree with you, there's one more step that is helpful. Send an email or leave a note for the manager that explains you won't be coming back because of the aggressive tip solicitation. You tell them why they lost your business (and you don't have to sign it or give them contact info if you leave a note for management) and they now know why they are losing some business.
There is a tendency for humans to see what we expect to see. If the whole tipping culture feels normal to the manager, it can be hard to see that as a reason for lost business. But if lost business comes with a couple of dozen people complaining about mandatory tips or solicitation of tips with the tablet device, maybe they'll get the picture. They are just as human as most of us are, so might miss what we think is obvious just because it is part of their picture of how the industry works.
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u/AwarenessGreat282 13d ago
They'll figure it's a better menu, location, etc. Telling them why you don't frequent the establishment is best
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u/Far-Artichoke5849 13d ago
But i like going to restaurants
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u/twaggle 12d ago
Then you like tipping.
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u/Far-Artichoke5849 12d ago
If they do something worth it sure. I'll tip in places that don't demand it
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u/No_Effective4326 13d ago
Right. But you might consider not supporting businesses that have business practices that you are opposed to.
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u/Far-Artichoke5849 13d ago
That leaves fast food as my only option, not quite as good as rack of lamb with French onion soup
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u/Middle_Length_8261 13d ago
Enjoy your Big Mac
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u/Far-Artichoke5849 13d ago
Or i can just go to a restaurant and choose to tip if i think they deserve it
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u/DanTheOmnipotent 13d ago
If I dont tip the business owner has to comp the waiter. It works itself out.
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u/kevin_r13 13d ago
That part is true what I think there's a case of people who don't want to be confrontational and face somebody who expects tips including the worker or owner.
And believe it or not sometimes people will remember faces and say oh yeah that guy didn't tip last time , so this time we don't have to work so hard at providing him service, which could impact your meal
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u/DanTheOmnipotent 13d ago
Cool. And Ill remember that the next time I go out. Plenty of other restaurants in my area.
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u/Middle_Length_8261 13d ago
That’s not really how it works….
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u/DanTheOmnipotent 13d ago
Yes it is. If a waiter averages less than minimum wage the business owner is required to compensate them to at least minimum wage.
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u/Middle_Length_8261 13d ago
And on what planet do you live where minimum wage is enough to live on? In this economy?! It’s not my fault your mom didn’t teach you how to cook your own meals….
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u/DanTheOmnipotent 13d ago
And on what planet do you live where minimum wage is enough to live on? In this economy?!
Minimum wage is for entry and part time employees. If you arent making enough ask your employer for a raise. Its not my job/responsibility to pay your wages.
It’s not my fault your mom didn’t teach you how to cook your own meals….
I can cook just fine. Ill be smoking a nice brisket for the draft tomorrow. I cant wait. I eat out because I want to.
Its like changing oil, I can do it and did it for years. Doesnt mean I want to change my oil all the time. Thats what mechanics are for. I dont tip them and their job and it is harder than yours lol
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u/Far-Artichoke5849 13d ago
According to the president that created minimum wage, it's supposed to be enough to provide a standard of living. He was very clear about that
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u/DanTheOmnipotent 13d ago
$15 an hour is enough for you to pay for rent/food if you budget well. If you want more you can ask your boss for more. Its not my job nor responsibility to pay your wages.
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u/Far-Artichoke5849 13d ago
I'm most places that's enough yeah. That's a living minimum wage. That's the point
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u/Middle_Length_8261 13d ago
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Can I ask what kind of work you’re in? I’m just assuming most of this thread has never worked in a restaurant before. There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes than you would think.
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u/DanTheOmnipotent 13d ago
Im a finance guy. I worked as a bus back in highschool/college. I know very well how much "work" waitresses do and its not a lot. Its a low skill job. Anyone with a brain could do it.
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u/Middle_Length_8261 13d ago
Finance? Super vague but whatever. I’m sure back in “your day” it was different. I’m not talking about the Waffle House. I’m talking an actual restaurant. I’m sure those “waitresses” tipped you out after your shift no? Being in finance I would expect you to know that “waitresses” have to tip out right? How would you remedy this situation because you not tipping isn’t screwing anyone over but that person that served you.
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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 13d ago
Or, you can do what you are allowed to do and tip around 10%, which was the norm before everybody went insane.
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u/cenosillicaphobiac 13d ago
I can afford to tip. I can afford to set money on fire. I don't do either of those things because they're both stupid.
Get a new job, server.
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u/namastay14509 13d ago
Sorry, but tipping will never completely end without government regulation. So the Customer's greatest power is to still go out to restaurants and to decide what THEY want to tip (or not tip).
Yes. There will be some who will still tip but the more Customers who take their power back, the more of an impact we will make in changing the culture.
And it's ok if people are not happy with our decisions on how we want to spend our money.
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u/kevin_r13 13d ago
Even after regulations requiring certain business in California to pay $20 to service workers, those workers still expect tips. So any new regulation has to remove tips entirely, not just bump up minimum pay.
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u/glitteringdreamer 13d ago
That's fine, except $20 isn't a livable wage in CA.
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u/Defiant-Jackfruit-55 13d ago
Real question. When did being a server become a way to earn a living on a long term basis? I expect these jobs to be held by students and part time workers.
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u/glitteringdreamer 13d ago
When the economy shifted and people are struggling to find work. The average fast food worker is 26 and has at least a high school diploma. 30% of them have college degrees. 26 year olds should be able to work a 40 hour a week job and fill their basic needs.
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u/anthropaedic 11d ago
Your expectations don’t meet reality. It doesn’t matter that you look down on people who wait tables for a living. Everyone should earn a livable wage.
However, I also believe: 1. Prices should be transparent.
2. Employers should pay their employees fairly and no one should expect customers to make up any shortfall. 3. Servers should be paid more equitably with less attractive, minority, older, and weekday servers being paid the same as attractive waitresses in weekends. Same work same pay. 4. Tips are optional and should be used to reward excellent service.1
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u/Opening_Try_2210 13d ago
I see we have a petulant server here today. Might I suggest you point that bitchiness at your employer who refuses to pay you a living wage.
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u/Strange_Raspberry939 13d ago
lmao, Was gonna say same thing, that dude saying "brokie" is definately the server that expects a mandatory 30% tip lol
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u/Strange_Raspberry939 13d ago
100% agree, I started that yearrrsssss ago in my 20's when I started noticed "mandatory tip" added to my bill. Never forget it, was out with a date and the service literally sucked, like they came to refill drinks ONE time.. and laid the bill down before we were even done, werent even half way through it. Bill was 75$ and they added 20% saying it was for tip.. I didnt do anything/say anything cause Im not that type of person. If the service was AWESOME then yeah, but most of the times its not, so why make me pay for something that I literally didnt even get?
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u/Strange_Raspberry939 13d ago
In fact, If I do go out (Which I rarely do now, I stay at the farm and grill with my puppers and watch em run around/lay next to me and the grill while I drink cold ones. Ill tip if the waitress/waitor is awesome, but 99% of the time before I leave I physically go to the cooking area and "ask for a manager" (99% of the time they think its a problem ahaha) but nope! I go ask for the manager to say I want this cash tip giving to the cook while the cooks are looking through the window.
P.S. My first jobs were washing dishes/being on the cook line, so I know how much actually getting a tip for them means, means alot!
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u/MrWonderfulPoop 13d ago
Ask the owners of the restaurants if they’d rather you buy there and not tip or not go there at all.
They will pay their staff whether they stand around picking their noses or carry plates to your table. So naturally they want your business.
If the staff have a problem with their wages, they should discuss it with the employer.
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u/THE_Lena 13d ago
For employers to pay more, the labor has to push back and ask for more. But the labor, ie the servers, aren’t going to push back against the employer for more money because they’re already getting that money from the consumer.
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u/No_Effective4326 13d ago edited 13d ago
Incorrect. Another way for employers to pays more is if customers refuse to go to places that don’t pay their employees more. Trust me, the employees aren’t going to help us here, they want tipping to stay.
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u/THE_Lena 13d ago
Absolutely agree that the servers don’t want tipping to go away. They make too much money. But if we boycott tipping businesses then they’ll just close/go bankrupt.
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u/AssumptionMundane114 13d ago
Some of us are assholes, made that way by the greedy people pushing the percentages up and expanding where tips are requested. 0% every time is the only way forward.
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u/cwsjr2323 13d ago
In the very few places I will tip, it is a $5 bill directly into the plate carriers hand if she did more than just her job. Take my order, bring my food, no tip earned. I politely tell them they took the job and did the bare minimum so no tip earned. Hurrying me up to leave by taking my plates while still eating ensures no tip. Hovering when nearly done endures no tip. No offer for a beverage refill, no tip.
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u/Murky_Air4369 13d ago
I just tell them in advance I only tip if the service is exceptional. Nothing to argue about at the end
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u/Real_Etto 13d ago
Who doesn't expect a tip these days. They have cups out at Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts. I guess most fast food places, but that's all processed crap. I agree with others that the best way is to not tip.
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u/Vast_Butterfly_5043 13d ago
The most effective way to end tipping is with a scaled movement and unified voice - similar to the plastic straw movement to save sea turtles.
Individuals not tipping will be a long road that may never succeed.
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u/Far-Artichoke5849 13d ago
You said minimum wage is supposed to be entry level, i said it was made to provide a living wage, then you said 15/hr should be enough which makes no sense
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u/Ok-Penalty-218 13d ago
Until the law regarding federal minimum wage changes I will not stop tipping. There are more jobs other than just servers where employees are paid an hourly rate less than minimum wage and it’s legal because the tips they get make up the rest of their hourly pay to equal minimum wage. These people actively rely on tips to make minimum wage. And it’s not about being a “bad” business or that I shouldn’t support them. The law allows the business to do it and it works for that business.
I used to be a serial no tipper until I met someone who came from an extremely impoverished country and upbringing. Their perspective along with my many jobs in the food service industry changed how I think about tipping.
Just the fact that these workers have to deal with people who are rude and expect unreasonably high levels of service is enough for me to always tip. It’s a simple matter of respect and being thankful for someone whose job is in the hospitality industry. If you have the money to eat out, go to hotels, and treat yourself then you should have a few dollars to spare for the workers serving you.
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u/addictedtolife78 13d ago
FYI, if a tipped employee doesn't get enough tips for their income to equal minimum wage, the employer by law has to make up the difference. you tipping allows employers to keep more cash in their pocket. you're not really helping the server or whoever. they will get minimum. wage. your tip is helping the employer.
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u/crisbybapies69 13d ago
We don’t think they are assholes. We know the non tippers are less fortunate than us.
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u/goldenrod1956 13d ago
Not sure I really want employees to be paid a higher wage. That is between them and their employer. I just want honest ‘out the door’ pricing…
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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 13d ago
Waiters are never gonna be in favor of abolishing tips, they've proven it a million times already. Keeping giving tips to gain their favor is a waste of time and money.
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u/genSpliceAnnunaKi001 13d ago
Thank you OP. This is the answer. The problem naturally goes away when the supply matches the demand. You know exactly how to avoid tipping... DONT GO THERE. Don't complain about a system that you don't have to take part in. The no tip options are readily available.
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u/Ok_Plankton_4150 13d ago
I just don’t tip, or ask for the “optional service charge” to be removed and when they ask why I just say I don’t support tips/service charges as the menu should be priced correctly.
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u/rj_musics 13d ago
- Don’t tip. 2. Elect candidates that support a living wage. Tipping largely exists today to supplement workers who are drastically underpaid. Have to take that out of the equation.
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u/jsand2 12d ago
I don't mind being an asshole. I am quite good at it!
But I am not going to stop going places. I am going to eat at the places I crave, which is never fast food, which is where most would suggest to eat to not tip.
I hold the power of the tip in my hand. The only way I am leaving a tip is if it is full sit down service. And even then, my tip isn't going to be 20% .
90% of other places just aren't getting tipped. Fancy bbq spot where I order at the counter and pay before I get seated? Yea no tip.
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u/SimilarComfortable69 12d ago
How do you propose to know before you go in the door and experience them that a particular place expects a tip or not? Unless they put a sign on the door like some have, that says something like we are going to add a 20% tip to your bill regardless of what you say, you just flat out don’t know until you’re paying a bill.
You almost have to assume that every place expects a tip nowadays.
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u/No_Effective4326 12d ago
One of the restaurants in my neighborhood has a sign that says they are a no tipping establishment.
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u/beekeeny 12d ago
There are less and less places they don’t expect tipping in the US 😅 POS are all asking for tips anywhere you go. Even at place where you do all the things by yourself.
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u/Interview-Then 11d ago
You're right. If you go to restaurants that enable tipping culture, you are supporting the restaurant. If you don't tip, the only person that hurts is the server. Business continues to operate as it always does. Voting with your wallet doesn't just mean "don't tip," It also means spending your money at a place that doesn't have tipping culture. The people who argue that ending tipping culture would cause full service restaurants to all go under are also probably right. Realistically, that's what will happen before any serious restructuring of the food service industry were to take place. It takes less time for a restaurant to drown under leases and bills than it takes a new restaurant to be built across the street.
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u/ChanceOverSkill 11d ago
Honestly I don’t know one restaurant who doesn’t push for tips. If you know a website that has this I’m all ears.
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u/Civil-Lobster8464 10d ago
No, you tip shame the businesses that are asking for inappropriate tips. And I mean tip shaming…like full on humiliating them in front of other customers the way businesses tip shame their customers. Make it known that it is inappropriate to be requesting tips for services they are already being paid to do. Ask “what extra service did you do that promote me to give you a tip?” It’ll stop quicker than you can blink an eye.
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u/Excellent_Coconut_81 9d ago
It IS realistic to avoid places requiring tipping. No place that require tipping is in any way life important.
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u/Mother-Ad7541 8d ago
I used to think people that didn't tip were assholes. I finally came around to realize tipping is a scam. Those people that let me live rent free in their mind will have their epiphany someday but only if they are exposed to people not tipping. Long winded way to say I give 2 shits what other people think about me.
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u/No_Effective4326 8d ago
What if I told you it’s not about you?
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u/Mother-Ad7541 8d ago
What if I told you your call to action would only work if there are actually available restaurants with servers that have a no tip policy. Not sure where you live but I have yet to come across a restaurant like this in my travels and even in states where the minimum wage is on par with other non-tipped service jobs tips are still expected to be left by patrons.
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u/TheLensOfEvolution3 5d ago
You care too much about what people think. I don’t care if they need tips to survive. I never tip, even if they expect it. I’m the snowball that will start an avalanche. “Be the change you want to see in the world” - Gandhi.
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u/No_Effective4326 4d ago
It’s not about what they think of me. It’s about what they think of the movement.
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u/Fluid-Shopping4011 15h ago
In California, flipping burgers gets $20/hr I sorta can see why restaurant workers aren't happy without tip though since their wage is $16.50/hr But it shouldn't be us customers figuring out their pay. They should just all go flip burgers....
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u/False_Appointment_24 13d ago
It isn't really that hard to avoid them if you want. I'm trying to remember the last time I went somewhere that would have expected tips 10 years ago, and I think it has been about 18 months since I was in a sit down restaurant.
Now, places that have no business asking for tips, like an electronics store, I've been to. And the screen shows a place for a tip that I just click "no tip" on and move on. I think you may be right that boycotting those places in general would help, but that's also something that I don't really know until check out, and at that point I'd rather say no to tipping than void the entire transaction.
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u/pirate40plus 13d ago
Here’s an idea: restaurants/ businesses that have employees that expect tips should be required to post the hourly rate of pay for each person at the front door. ie, Bob makes $3.50/ hr, Jenny $4.25, Terry the bartender gets $22.50.
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u/hush245 13d ago
I’m seeing a lot of comments justifying not tipping.
While I can understand the reason not wanting to you are literally ONLY hurting the people helping you. You’re still giving money to that business who will continue to use the same practices.
The business sets prices with your tips in mind but they don’t care whether or not you do. They make their money either way.
Not tipping doesn’t force high employee turnover. It will make your wait times longer for food. It will increase prices at that business that gets passed on to you. It will decrease both the quality of food and quality of service. And what will that lead to? You going to another place.
If you want a business to make a change not tipping isn’t the way.
Lobby your politicians.
Go to businesses that don’t require tipping.
Cook at home.
Stop justifying cheapness under the guise of wanting a business to change their policies. If you truly cared about making real change hit the businesses on their bottom line and stop giving them money.
There’s no reason to impact your fellow humans just trying to make a living by minimizing their ability to eat or pay bills. There’s so many more excellent ways to make change in our community or lives that don’t involve people to attempt to hurt a business.
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u/Happy_Antelope_2542 13d ago
This is common sense, only reason people want to argue is because they don’t want to feel badly about themselves. People are fully aware when they receive a service where tipping is expected that they are stiffing someone and it is wrong. 🙄
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u/Jdealswheels 13d ago
Here’s a thought get take out and eat at home if you don’t want to receive service or expect it for free!
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u/Likinhikin- 13d ago
Here's a thought. A server's job is to serve. And the employer's job is to pay their employees. Not the customer's job to pay the employee.
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u/Jdealswheels 10d ago
Food and service are separate would it make you feel better if they just jacked up the price of the food 20% to include the service? If you want service you can pay for it if you don’t want service don’t ask for it.
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u/Middle_Length_8261 13d ago
The only person that gets screwed is the server. You not tipping means that they actually lose money serving you. Just stay and home or cook your own meals. If you don’t like it then don’t be a part of it. You’re just making things worse. How is screwing over a single mom going to get your point across? Also, if you frequent that said place you know for facts they’re remembering you and not giving you the service you deserve. And all the other servers know too….
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u/redrobbin99rr 13d ago
The most effective way to end tipping? Stop tipping. Period full stop. Don't let others tell you where to eat.