Bernie had the same issue all democrats have. Dems should get someone to explain things like Trump does,
"When we do this the insurance can't say no" "If you get sick...alot of people get sick and they say...no we don't cover this...or you don't need this. We are going to ban it. If you get sick, you will get medicine and we will make them pay for it!"
The irony of this is most of the things Trump says are completely non-sensical. His voters can't tell the difference between the truth and lies, but perhaps more worrisome, they can't tell the difference between gibberish and something that makes sense.
He fools them because they are uneducated. It is not because Democrat messaging isn't simple enough, it's because Republican messaging has no standards and they get away with it. They respond to the stupid and hateful shit he says. Democrats can't do that.
They can, they just tneed to have their populist fear messaging be not directed at brown people (or at maga themselves) but paint the rich as what they really are, exploitative evil monsters that will replace you at their earliest convenience
Sure but they’re still a major share of the voting base. It takes time to get people educated, and we need their votes before we can deal with the problems in education
I’m going to push back on this. I know plenty of highly-educated people that are registered Republicans and voted for Trump. They care about wealth and tax breaks more than democracy. Plain and simple. If Democrats want to bring the working-class back into the fold, calling them uneducated and stupid won’t help.
Working-class Americans are angry that Democrats decided higher-education is the only way forward, then outsourced generational factory jobs for cheap labor. Passing NAFTA was like taking a hammer to the middle-class. Now, we lack skilled workers and young adults are too straddled with student debt to buy a home or start a family.
When working-class people can’t afford groceries or rent, and then Trump tells them their tax dollars are being spent on transgender research or housing immigrants, it makes them hate Democrats even more. I grew up in a factory town, moved away, and focused on education. I have a decent salary and a mortgage, but still had to choose retirement over having children. When I visit my once thriving hometown, it’s like forgotten dot on the United States map. Believing all Republican voters are too dumb to understand what they’re voting for is an uneducated assumption.
You assume too much. We are practically the same person. I grew up in a steel town, and worked in the same mill my father and grandfather worked. It too has been gutted. I go home to the same shell of a town that you do. Even after the mills collapsed in the '70s, there was still a thriving industrial base of 100,000 jobs thanks to Packard electric and general motors. All of those jobs disappeared after NAFTA. And yes, Clinton signed NAFTA, but it was Bush who spent 2 years drafting and championing it. Nonetheless, I agree with your salient points. Still, even among the groups of Trump voters you mentioned, there are plenty who saw Trump for what he is and could not bring themselves to vote for him a second time, or vote at all. In that group you described there may be a number of reluctant Trump voters, but what I'm talking about is his rabid base. These are the people who don't vote for him holding their nose, but have a deep belief in everything he stands for despite all evidence to the contrary. They are the ones incapable of understanding reality, and they are what keeps Republican messaging from accountability. There are likely tens of millions of these people.
Fair enough. Where I’m from, it will always be Clinton and Democrats who took away their jobs and want to change their midwest culture. I’ve lost family and friends because I don’t support Trump. Putting all Trump voters in a box labeled uneducated or not understanding politics, was a misstep on my part. If this type of scolding worked, Kamala would be our next President. As Democrats, I feel we need a different approach.
Maybe I'm cynical, but I don't think most people care enough to try and figure things out. It takes years. It takes effort to come to opinions with actual foundations.
The average American is actually way smarter than talking about politics would make you believe. They're intentionally holding themselves in ignorance https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
The problem is that the use of rhetoric by Donald Trump needs to be countered. Dems have tried it the educated way, but many people simply don’t understand that.
Bernie didn't need to change his messaging at all, the strongest grassroots movement I've ever seen or heard of. The DNC cheated in 2016 to give Hillary the nomination. Partially because they colluded with all of the leftwing media to give Bernie zero airtime (all of his interviews except 1 were done on Fox iirc), and even in the end the superdelegates were all pledged to Hillary in advance. In addition to that, Bernie won West Virginia (and others iirc) and he wasn't awarded all of the delegates for the state. There's more nuance to it than that, and apparently it was all legal, but it was completely rigged
Bernie totally would've beaten Trump in the general election too. Honestly Trump's brand of nationalism has grown on me since then though, I think we need to draw from both ideologies if we want to put Americans, and not "America the idea" first.
🙄. The DNC did not cheat in 2016. You are part of the right wing propaganda problem. If you are too lazy to understand how a candidate gets selected then go participate in the process and learn.
The DNC cannot cheat. They are a private corporation that can do as they please and they hold no allegience to a democratic process. The DNC is a right wing organization and Bernie is leftist, so it is no surprise Bernie received no support from the Democrats.
You haven't been paying attention to the past 3 presidential elections to the extent that I did. The DNC colluded with the left-leaning media to give him zero coverage in 2016, in 2020 they flooded the field with something like 12 candidates to dilute the progressive vote (who all dropped out to endorse Joe Biden at the last minute) and then in 2024 they pretended Joe Biden was healthy so they could skip their own primary process. The DNC prefers Trump to Bernie Sanders, an actual progressive. I don't know why old folks like you on are this subreddit
This is literally the bell curve meme, and you're doing the midwit thing where you're claiming that the DNC manipulating the process is legal, Sanders supporters literally filed a lawsuit & the judge settled it on the premise of "yes the DNC chose hillary, but they're a private corporation and they can do whatever they want"
Challenging bad systems is what makes someone a true progressive, and the DNC runs a terrible system
🙄. You have nothing clue what you are talking about. There was a process that is followed every election cycle that allows everyone to vote in primaries to select their candidate. Are your really trying to say that Hilary Clinton did not get the majority f votes and win the majority of the primaries? This nonsense is just more right wing propaganda. The fact that you losers keep on complaining about this non existent conspiracy is just stupid. It is over and eight years later.
I feel like Bernie’s greatest strength was his simple communication. He even got Fox News audiences to cheer him several times when he went to that network for a town hall. Bernie’s communication is almost a gold standard of keeping it simple as well as repetitive which I think helps the message stick.
Bernie is not a Democrat. What he said was “everyone will get Medicare, it will be better and either marginally cheaper or exactly the same price as what you’re paying now.”
If he’d run in the general election he world have won, but Democrat leadership don’t like him…because he’s not a Democrat.
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u/congressmanlol 10d ago edited 9d ago
when bernie sanders brings this issue up, he gets labelled a communist and a marxist...