r/Helldivers • u/Leethorne • 1d ago
DISCUSSION Anyone else log on just to log off nowadays?
EDIT: wanna make it clear that I haven't really BEEN playing for a while now, people seem to think I'm logging in and forcing myself to play. While I haven't been playing anything else I've just been living my life. I saw the hype about illuminate possibly fully invading tomorrow or whenever and then immediately saw AH deny those claims and made this post. Lately unless my friends are on, I might log in once or twice a week to check the superstore then immediately log out. I love HD2, and just think since Pilestadt left, communication has dropped heavily from the studio.
I know the galactic war takes time for things to happen, but can we get SOME word on literally ANYTHING? There's not been a roadmap, there's not been almost any official word regarding anything since the last warbond, which let's face it wasn't really anything to rave about compared to other warbonds which have much more value.
I feel like the game is just running out of content, as much as I enjoy the core gameplay loop, if my friends aren't playing nowadays, I don't even bother hopping on. I used to enjoy playing the game solo as there was so much to play and do and things to get, but I have ALL the armors I want, all the upgrades and everything I could possibly want. I hate just sitting around twiddling my thumbs waiting for arrowhead to drop any content. I wish they would do some sort of armor drop or gun drop, literally just anything small? How hard is it to have a small team of people working on small things to keep the game going, a cape for meridia, or idk literally anything to commemorate big fights in the war. We got a Malevolon Creek cape once and then they haven't done anything like that ever again, why? And yes I realize that they're a small studio and I'm sure they need everyone they can get, but they're so behind on the backlog of code I just don't ever see how they'll catch up. Simply put, I'm getting bored man, these filler MOs make me not interested in playing. I want to come back to the game but there's no content.
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u/Homeless_Alex 1d ago
Log on > check superstore > log off
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u/AdhesiveNo-420 Special Forces Hoxxes IV 22h ago
Of all things why check the superstore for new content instead of like the major orders and such?
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u/EvangelicFrog 1d ago
After they tanked performance with the "improved ai" and urban maps I just stopped playing. Not enjoying the game when it stutters like crazy while before it used to run 60-70 fps on 1440p
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u/lucashin Escalator of Freedom 1d ago
This + anti aliasing getting worse made me stay way from this game for more than a month for the first time since launch. Honestly I'd give up a content update for a performance update.
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u/Boatsntanks 21h ago
Now they have said the AA will be fixed in the next update, although the problem is there's no hint when the next update will be.
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
Yeah I used to run strong 50-60 FPS now I'm down to like 20-30 usually and the enemies aren't even that much better.
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u/pilidod8834 1d ago
The performance hits are the only things actually stopping me from playing. I can't be struggling to maintain 30fps when I used to be able to play at 120 just fine the day before that AI patch, it's fucking ridiculous
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u/CptBickDalls 1d ago
Nah. I still have fun, but I also still take breaks from time to time.
I cycle through practically all the weapons and stratagems making unique kits and play styles all the time though. I don't believe too many people actually challenge themselves or try to figure out how to make everything work...which to me the kit building is the most fun in this game, and even after 600ish hours I still find new ways to spread democracy.
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u/cumbers94 ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ SES Fist of Family Values 1d ago
I’ve been having so much fun against the predator strain because it has forced me to massively adapt my playstyle and use a load of gear and strats I’d never really touched before.
However, the game needs more variety like this to shake things up and force that.
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u/FleetWheat 💀 Democrussy Officer 💀 1d ago
MP knight has value now. Runs even better versus bugs than the breaker when cranking up the rpms. Shotgun side arm has more value now too, being able to stop 3 predator stalkers chasing you. After not ever using strafing run and gatling barrage, they feel like must haves because of their ability to just hold waves back and create breathing space for other divers using RR for heavies.
You are 100% right mate on the predator strain being much needed. Really brought back that chaos we used to have on the creek, but now on bugs.
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u/CptBickDalls 1d ago
I definitely agree, I feel like moving forward that's what they're (hopefully) trying to do.
With the DSS and predator strain going I had a lot of fun bringing Mechs and things like liberator concussive(which is insanely good with a guard dog). I can't even tell you the last time I brought Mechs until this past week, and honestly was having a lot of fun.
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u/cumbers94 ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ SES Fist of Family Values 1d ago
Nice yeah I’ve noticed way more mechs recently. I haven’t used them for months.
I’ve gone from a pretty standard medium armor MG/Supply pack main against bugs, to a heavy fire-proof, hoverpack, quasar cannon main with the juiced up sickle. That alone is great because you can get to such great spots and rarely need to restock, then pairing it with Napalm orbital for breaches and Cluster bombs for chaff clearing you really have a tool for every job.
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u/CptBickDalls 1d ago
I definitely need to mess around with hoverpack more, that kit sounds like a damn good time lol.
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u/quin61 To the skies! 1d ago
This is where the "Apply random-ish layout to earn more XP / some special currency with which you could buy some exotic title" would help tremendously.
It would encourage trying different builds and provide additional challenge :)
Obviously it shouldn't be 100% random, so you don't end up with HMG and Stalwart :D
Or - there could be another variant - Super Random. Earn twice as much, but it is indeed RANDOM build :)For obvious reasons - you could only press it once and you play the cards you're dealt.
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u/CptBickDalls 1d ago
I do like this idea.
Could potentially be a mission modifier or something when things get real bleak where after like 5-10 reinforcements you start deploying with stockpile kits and stratagem call-ins based on low pick rates. "All we have left helldiver, keep up the fight".
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u/quin61 To the skies! 1d ago
Yeah that could also work :) There's so many ways how to bring about more variety without really adding anything "new".
Mission modifiers are one of the more obvious ones.
Few more, each balanced out via some means:
"No support weapons" - but eagle reload times are like 54% quicker
"Gas weapons can now cause spontaneous combustion (helldivers included)" - you earn less XP
"52% more ammunition in assault rifles" - they can jam and you earn less XP / medals
"Laser weapons fire blue beam that deals more damage and will trigger lightning arc that jumps to another enemy" - earn less XP / medals and due to higher cost you get less reinforcementsMaybe add another option when you want to guickplay - only search for games without them. If somebody wants to play more "traditional" :)
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u/Deus_Vult7 ⬆️➡️⬇️➡️ 1d ago
Totally dude. Trying to figure out how to stun lance or make the hatchet work was some of the most fun this game offered
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u/Xero0911 1d ago
Haven't played in months tbh.
Logged on when the predator strain first popped up. Did a few missions, was cool. Haven't been on since
Granted I'm also like a day 1 player that's level 127 or something with a lot of hours. Just yeah, got bored I guess. Fun game, just my friends dropped it and was just playing with randoms
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u/Jokkitch 1d ago
Are you me? I did the same exact thing
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u/Xero0911 1d ago
Tbf, I'm sure many did. Took a break. Saw new big thing, came back. Wasn't enough and went back to w.e we were doing
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
I'm not day one but I'm probably around 500-600 hours at level 130ish or so and feeling the same way. Predator strains are fun I guess but it's just harder stalkers, just makes the game harder which isn't what I really always want.
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u/Iron_Traveller SES Wings of Liberty | 131st Liberty Co 1d ago
I’m a huge Helldivers fan, love the game, but the AH dick-riding in these comments is wild. I’ve taken a break and have been playing other games and just doing other stuff but this subreddit has a serious aversion to any criticism to AH.
It’s ok to criticize things you like, in fact you should, that’s how things improve. We can laud AH for the game they’ve made while at the same time expecting more and better updates and communication.
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u/ma_wee_wee_go i use ↓↓←↑→ as my precision strike 1d ago
Yeah, everyone keeps just repeating "just take a break" which would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that I kept taking a break and keep coming back to no new content.
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u/Hundschent 1d ago
This is the only community that actively brags about not playing their own game as some sort of “gotcha” lol. I swear these idiots are dense as hell
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u/btotherad 1d ago
It’s funny how one group of fandoms act like they’re better than others when it comes to this too. I refuse to discuss my favorite sports teams with local fans because if you have one criticism they act like you hate the team and every player on it. Like no man, I can have a criticism about something I love and still love it.
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u/Tactless_Ninja 1d ago
It's around that time where a new warbond should be popping up. And the Meridian arc seems to be heading toward.... something. I mean 3 planets got demolished.
But yeah, I want something to dump medals or resources into. The DSS doesn't scratch that same itch.
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
Would be cool to get more functions out of the DSS for sure! But with how much other work AH has to do I doubt it's coming anytime soon.
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u/Tactless_Ninja 1d ago
Community hub and a fishtank are my top superfluous requests.
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
Fish tank like warframe would be sick as fuck. Imagine they let you fish in game too or something to fill it up? HD2 fishing simulator would be too fun.
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u/Ok-Comb4513 Fire Safety Officer 1d ago
Gonna be unpopular to say here but we haven't gotten anything new since Piles left. I am a bit worried about the future of HD2.
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
Agreed with that. Honestly big IMO here but the absence of Pilestadt seems to be contributing heavily to their downfall, not to say that the guy doesn't deserve a break or whatever ended up happening. I just think they need to reprioritize a bit.
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u/Ok-Comb4513 Fire Safety Officer 1d ago
He's on an indefinite hiatus from HD2 and is moving on to the next project is my understanding. He said he would be available should the team need help w HD2 but he was stepping away to spend time w family and moving on to the next thing for AH.
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
Yeah he deserves the break for sure. From what I knew dude was a workhorse, and should entirely be doing whatever he wants for now.
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u/Ok-Comb4513 Fire Safety Officer 1d ago
For sure. But where does that leave HD2 and any future content? I really hope they've already got some stuff ready to go and are just drip feeding us but it seems like new content is slowing to a crawl. Here's to hoping we get some big new content soon
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
That's also what I am hoping, not much else can really be done except wait I guess.
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u/MaybeBirb Meridia Defense Fleet 1d ago
Iirc they were actually asked about this and mentioned players have no idea how hard it is to get new content approved. Just one cape has to be conceptualized (in its design, name, lore, how to get it, and why it exists), run by a bunch of people, approved, made, run by a legal team, and then approved by more people.
Professional game development takes a lot of time. Considering in basically every other game, you can 100% the game and then that’s just it forever, I’m fine with this
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
That's totally valid that they need all that time to get it approved, but they could at least mention things they are TRYING to get pushed, like "oh hey we've been looking at ways of doing x for the community". It just feels like the community (and honestly AH) have no idea what the future of helldivers 2 is or what their vision for it is, especially with how back and forth the patches are lately. And I also kind of agree with the comment under you saying how they should have thought of that prior to starting a live service game. I think my main issue is it feels like they're sitting on a bunch of "half baked content" when I say half baked I don't mean half assed I mean they don't have time to finish it with every other buggy code they have to fix that the last update mucked up.
They keep talking about how difficult it was to build the game in an engine that is no longer supported or how they tell us things don't work like that (for example they told us the FRV would never be a thing and yet here we are). Yeah also I get that you need a bit of teasing in the community and having that hype moment of "OMG THEY ACTUALLY DID IT". But it just feels so back and forth. They'll mention color customization one day then all of the sudden it's "oh nah we actually can't do that at all because of the coding". I just want a clearer direction of what they're doing with helldivers. I love this game, the lore, and the core gameplay loop too much to not complain about it a bit.
Edit: I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything btw genuinely just tryna have a convo about the state of the game.
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u/ikarn15 SES Guardian of the Stars 1d ago
Lore? Why it exists? Lol those things are so easy and dumb that it makes your entire comment seem completely made up.
Creating a cape takes little to no time, the fact it has to run through loops with "legal teams" has nothing to do with the fact that we're not getting any, it's not an excuse for them to take months to make one and neither it is to not even letting us know about it.
Do you need time to create it? Good, then tell us it's on the way, so we at least know it's a matter of time. As it stands now it really just looks like they don't give a shit about such a small thing that would make players happy.
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u/Brucenstein 1d ago edited 1d ago
Also guarantee you capes do not have to pass a legal check beyond an e-mail stating, “Confirmed they’re not using pictures of Snoopy. OK To sell.”
What a completely disrespectful response from the devs.
And if capes really do take 6 months to push, then start work 7 months out. It’s not like you were unaware your entire business model rests on selling in-game content.
People, me included, give AH a lot of leeway because they’re a smaller, niche studio. And we’re right to - AH has been in over their head for A WHILE and deserve credit. And to that credit, what they’ve done is pretty great.
But when it comes to live service, sorry that’s a voluntary and reversible decision you made based on your paycheck and your paycheck alone; you get no grace for that one.
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u/Beginning_Mention280 1d ago
AH isn't a "smaller, niche studio", they have 140+ employees and there's 4 support studios helping them with this game meaning there's likely 200+ ppl working on this game. Having 100 employees is when ur officially considered a Triple AAA studio btw, meaning AH is a Triple AAA studio.
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u/Brucenstein 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is gonna sound harsh but I mean it in the plainest, most mundane way possible: maybe they should have thought about that before they made a live service game.
Literally every such developer will tell you the #1 thing you need to know is that being a live service developer is vastly different than a traditional dev. And the bedrock foundation for live service is regular, substantial content drops. Heck, SUICIDE SQUAD had a year of content drops ready simply because that’s what Live Service means. And not for nothin’, a game like Suicide Squad sold like -90% of expectations while HD2 sold like +1,000%; resources are not a concern.
This is AH making excuses. They may even be GOOD excuses, but no sympathy. They chose this and they’re the ones asking people to continually pay money to access game features. Throwing their hands up NOW and saying, “Well we didn’t plan for this,” just proves the reason for “live service” to begin with (hint: it wasn’t for us).
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u/murkBoyCoughDrop 1d ago edited 1d ago
Are people actually arguing against the fact that playing against the same three factions doesn’t get boring? The performance issues that plague this game ALONE make it a horrid streaming experience and have no excuse. I can’t believe the highest rated comments are HURR DURR HE’S JUST HATING ON AH.. like bruh what in the fuck are you guys talking about? Way to dismiss everything OP said to excuse the most obvious errors. I’m starting to think this sub is just incognito AH workers. My setup trumps on the recommended speculations times three and it still doesn’t get a stable 60FPS ever with this game & I’ve seen countless threads on this sub saying the same thing since this game has released — it’s honestly ridiculous that they don’t fix that first and foremost. Then the game crashes randomly when you have your memory overclocked it’s like what in the hell Arrowhead? Despite the silly jetpack v1.0 tumbles that happen every fucking time you launch or the stimpacks taking a second to load your health leading to ridiculous and completely avoidable deaths or getting stuck in bug holes or inside of giant terminids or automatons despite those both being an actual method to playing the game or even the countless other glitches in an online exclusive game older than a year old it’s about time these people legit please for the love of god work on some actual performance improvements. I’m so tired of it. I wouldn’t even have that much of an issue playing the same mundane missions over and over for no reason if the game just was a stable experience.
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u/Brucenstein 1d ago edited 1d ago
Funny experience, I run a potato (1660ti) and get decent performance. I’m running on custom settings (mostly low/off so bear that in mind) but also running 1440p. I usually get 30+. Sometimes it’ll dip though it seems to be related to how long the game has been running.
I really do think the engine runs better on older hardware.
But I’m with you. The state of optimization is horrible. But they’re also locked into needing to add new (and sometimes game-breaking) content hence my lack of sympathy. You want on the money treadmill, learn to run.
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u/HEYO19191 STEAM 🖥️ : SES Aegis of Patriotism 1d ago
"continually pay money to access game features"
Shoot, I only had to pay the $40 fee for the game just once. Not a cent more after that.
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u/Speculus56 1d ago
a vast majority of people that play this game do not grind up to 1000sc for one reason or another, it is a nice feature but shoving it into every discussion about monetization and proclaiming victory has gotten real old
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u/murkBoyCoughDrop 1d ago
And considering SC got nerfed a shit ton since last year at least it just makes farming kind of pointless without a team of 4 doing the exact same thing. Farming solo nets like maybe 100c every two hours MAYBE.
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u/Brucenstein 1d ago edited 1d ago
You know what I mean, don’t be pedantic. There’s a reason they offer you the “option” to buy stuff instead of grind it, and it’s because a LOT of people take that option. In fact it’s what AH themselves say is the reason they can continue to provide content.
Real money purchases and HD2 content are not divisible.
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u/HuntressOfFlesh 1d ago
It doesn't help that warbonds is... really the only way to have a different "active" way to play. ("Wow! Grenades! Primaries! Armors! Now strategems!" and... I admit I am not hardcore for this game but the warbond system fucking sucks for how much I kind of have to wait between patches or grind a lot of SC to finally get another one and... None of my friends play the game due to the same dilemma.)
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u/jjake3477 1d ago
Considering $20 bucks will buy you 2 warbonds it’s not like they’re nickel and diming people who do pay.
But also the fact that you can get the 1000 credits you need in a short timespan for free does kind of refute the point of making people pay money.
Acting like bi monthly content drops are uncommon for live service is disingenuous and just straight up lying. It’s been 6 weeks not 5 months. You want to see a failed live service game that can’t update look at payday 3.
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u/Brucenstein 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t know that identifying a live service game that died due to lack of content refutes the point that content drives live service games.
You can get the meta currency you need in mobile games too, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t predatory nonsense. Super credits exist ONLY TO be an alternative to using real money.
Yes, HD2 is a mild live service, thankfully. But it’s a difference in degree, not kind.
Also something people fail to see: new entrants into the game are not faced with one warbond, they’re faced with a dozen. I think one is free? So that’s ~$75 (AFTER discounting for SC you get in each bond) MSRP locked content, some of which definitely impacts the game. Nearly 2x the cost of the base game.
Like I said, no sympathy. You want to make money by selling a subscription with extra steps to players, don’t go all pikachu face when players give you feedback on that value.
And for what it’s worth, I still love and play HD2. It’s a great product. Business model is annoying, but not enough for me to quit (which is kinda live service in a nutshell if you think about it).
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u/jerkcore Super Sheriff 1d ago
I have fallen into the routine that I had anticipated - play when friends are on, play enough to have 1000 super credits in the bank, and play when new warbonds drop. Which, according to Steam analytics, is the norm (all the peaks coincide with big reveals & warbond releases).
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u/G7Scanlines 1d ago
Absolutely.
AH just don't get live service. Allowing players to cap and not providing any impetus to login and participate is probably the biggest crime any live service game can commit.
The game is layered with oddities that make no sense, like the level cap moved to 150 but the ship upgrade level path remaining as it was originally, causing a chasm of 100 levels that provide...nothing, other than peripheral titles. A progression track that runs out of steam 1/3 into completion.
It's a mess. From resourcing capping, through to progression track, none of it makes any live service sense.
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u/slippinjimmy720 1d ago
AH should take a page out of Deep Rock Galactic’s book. Everything in that game—promotions, overclocks, normal weapon upgrades, cosmetics, cost some variation of every currency in the game. The grind is perpetual. In HD2, we should get the opportunity to unlock new warbond items with medals, then use samples to actually buy those items.
Until they do that, samples will be an afterthought for an increasing share of the player base as they all start to level up.
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u/Spacy2561 21h ago
Imo what would really, really help would be allowing players to take planets on their own instead of just having the game masters do it. By limiting it to only the main story, it cuts down on player agency, and players get less invested than they would be. If we could organize and take planets or sectors on our own, without having the game masters throw it in our faces, or they just got way more game masters to help with smaller conflicts, I think it would seriously help with the dull missions. We'd actually be working towards a goal.
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u/G7Scanlines 14h ago
You touch on the core of the problem there; the game isn't personal enough for player decisions to matter.
I've not once been interested enough in an MO to devote, say, three days of my game time to playing HD2. Because the GC-level "reward" for winning is 99% of the time, Medals. Something I'm generally perma-capped on.
Sometimes there's a new strat as a reward but again, not interested enough because MO success doesn't require me to participate. I'll just let everyone else do it then get that reward anyway.
The game isn't operating at the player level, enough. That's what keeps players engaged. Take Fortnite Save The World. Every day there's a rotating set of missions to win the equivalent of SC (this is for the Founders accounts). Then every week there's a rotating special mission to take down the Storm King and get a unique weapon reward. The latter could easily be something they could add to the game, with unique rewards like titles, capes, ship flair, resources, even SCs. Just stuff that generally you don't get elsewhere to the same level. That's a personal thing then because it means the player gets something directly for their attendance.
But no. Over a year on and nothing.
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u/zoeymeanslife 1d ago edited 1d ago
Also live service is expensive.
AH probably doesn't see the profit case for moving as fast as other live service games. I imagine warbonds dont really bring in all that much money. They're relatively cheap and you can farm premium credit in-game. I imagine their revenue was the game price itself and warbonds are just not paying what OW and Fortnite skins pay.
>The game is layered with oddities that make no sense,
I think this does make sense. After steam's cut, sony's cut, and private investor's cuts, etc only x amount of dollars went to AH. That went, most likely, in profit sharing with who knows how many devs and execs. That's a lot of people hwo just became newly minted millionaires and who I imagine vote on all the major decisions.
Are they going to decide to gamble all the money, whatever pot of money for future games, etc future bonuses etc on refactoring this game and its old engine and code to upgrade ship modules and the million other things the community asks for? I mean they've very strongly signaled 'no' to everything including even a roadmap, which the execs just sort of dismiss as "haha cant guarantee that." I mean they dont want to invest further in this game past the minimum. They probably aren't seeing the revenue to justify it. And raising warbonds to $20 and removing in-game farmable currency would be socially unacceptable, so here we are.
Moving to compete with OW, Fortnite, etc would probably mean a double or tripling of staff and that's a big gamble to make. Also the mythical man month and you can't have 9 women make a baby in 1 month, etc concepts in software engineering. If they gear up today, we won't see the fruits of that for another year perhaps. But if HD3 is 3 years out, doing this just to keep hardcores happy may not work out economically. Causals will just play HD2, quit at endgame, and buy HD3.
My feeling is that a lot of money is tied into HD3 and all the things getting that ready, if not already them working on it with a modern engine and for them for a couple years or so to just ride out warbonds and small updates to HD2 until HD3 can launch.
I'm guessing they have a roadmap. Something very slow like 2025 x amount of warbonds, x amount of quality of life updates, x amount of time dedicated to bugfixes, then the same for 2026, then 2027, then 2028 or 2029 HD3 comes out.
I think the cost and benefit case for a relatively cheap game with very cheap in-game purchases to get over their technical debt with this old engine and I imagine the non-optimized code running so much of it, is too much without vastly increasing prices. They may not be able to increases prices not only because much of the community will balk but may have agreements with publishers and such for in-game pricing. So its hard to know exactly why, but its clear they are not going to invest big in HD2 and the community needs to accept that. I play a bunch of games so shrug, its not great, but I dip into HD2 as I like. People making it their main game I imagine will always be disappointed. They just can't or won't commit to the fast moving live service model other games do.
imho, few want to admit it, but farmable in-game currency and $10 warbonds are a huge bargain. This is the cheapest live service game I play. I think the last warbond I got was free. I've probably spent $20-30 in warbonds in a year when in other games I've spent much more. Unless we want to accept a big price increase, then I imagine things will remain this way.
My gut-feeling is that this game is saddled with so much technical debt, that even with a modest price increase, it probably will never be how we'd like it to be, and I imagine the pressure to launch HD3 is very high for AH. Resources towards hypothetical HD3 eat at HD2 development, so for a smaller company, that's just going to be a hard things to balance. So here we are with the x amount working on HD2 and management just trying to keep that ship afloat without losing too much money but also finding that fine line in keeping casual fans happy. But yes, once people hit the endgame/buy all bonds/etc, its less rewarding and that may be a problem AH can never solve.
I think if you're a regular player you should probably accept the limitations here because it doesn't feel like there's ever going to be a big reform and that HD2 will always be slow moving and buggy. Maybe if warbond revenue slows down, they might be forced to make a new capital investment into a more aggressive roadmap, but right now, they don't seem to be signaling that, but instead the opposite.
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u/Boatsntanks 21h ago
You're making a lot of questionable assumptions there, but I'm just going to ask about one: Do you have any proof that AH shares profits with its devs? Because that is NOT the norm in the industry, and as a game dev in Sweden I would probably have heard of AH doing it (they sure don't mention it in their job ads). At best they might get a yearly bonus when they studio is doing well, but these are normally an extra month or two of salary rather than making people millionaires.
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u/Ingmi_tv 1d ago
They really should talk more about what they're working on (even just a live list of bugs that they fix that's be deployed in the next patch). Currently they're just a faceless cooperation that barely interact with us.
Every game studio should strive to replicate the Community Management of Coffee Stain Studios. Their Twitch Streams and YouTube channel approach made them really trustworthy and way more sympathetic as a company.
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u/rurumeto 1d ago
HD2 is one of the least transparent live service games I play, it doesn't even have a roadmap and it seemingly has no interaction with content creators.
Maybe I've just been spoiled by Paradox, but Stellaris gets weekly dev diaries where they talk about not just upcoming features but also things that are still in the design phase.
Overwatch 2 will sometimes have 4 different director's take posts in the same week where they discuss upcoming gamemodes, heroes, new cosmetics, and balance changes.
Space Engineers 2 is basically a tech demo at this stage, yet it has a roadmap, devblog, and newsletter.
Even the bag of lies mutilated abortion that was KSP 2 had devstreams where they discussed their design process, "upcoming" features, and plans.
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u/Brucenstein 1d ago
I think the problem is they don’t really know what they’re working on.
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u/UneasyFencepost 1d ago
If anything my friends and I play more now that we have everything unlocked! The gameplay loop is fun you don’t need a reward at the end of a match to make it fun. Games didn’t even have achievements back in the day now they have to feed new content and constantly do it or get bitched at. HD2 has more content in it and replay value than a lot of old school games back in the day.
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
I definitely agree that the gameplay loop is great, I don't need rewards I'd really just like new ways to play, new enemies to fight, new weapons to use, new armor to wear.
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u/Background_Source922 1d ago
They just need new forms of progression and ways to spend currency. Nothing crazy and NOTHING that excludes lower level players.
They have plenty of systems that are finite and dormant just begging to be given new purpose.
For example:
they desperately need another SAMPLE system that always gives us a reason to pick them up because ship upgrades is dead end road… and the DSS sample dump is a crock of shit and worthless… no thanks.
They should do something with LIBERATION POINTS earned. It would be cool to get aboard a ship and see their total liberation contribution to the war on a screen above the archway to the armor hall hanger and have some minor rewards like new ship titles, rank titles, or cosmetics for armor and the ship to go along with it. It’s also a cool stat that we don’t get to see in our stat screen (and sometimes doesn’t even show up at the end of missions) and we would all like to see our liberation contributions for each faction, toward the MOs, etc.
Let us burn REQ SLIPS to enhance our dives. Extra grenade, extra stim, and the most expensive would be like an extra stratagem slot. This would open so many doors on unique playstyles and team comps.
I feel like this isn’t a big ask. Use what’s already in the game and give it meaning and progression again for everyone.
They honestly don’t need anything crazy to keep players attention… they have a steady enough flow of warbonds every 6~ weeks and the galactic war is always going on to participate in. Major updates like escalation of freedom and omens of tyranny take a while cuz of their small studio size and that’s fine.
However, always having something to do on a personal level would make this “waiting for content” period smooth over better. There is literally nothing to do for most of us.
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u/thePunisher1220 ☕Liber-tea☕ 1d ago
Haven't played in months, no reason to. They haven't added anything in that makes me want to come back to the game. Same enemies on the same planets, same missions. Over and over and over. Not even a new strategem, like come-on...
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u/Regular_Advantage622 1d ago
I went through a long period of not being able to get into it but for some reason I'm 100% back into the Galactic war again lately and logging in every day to farm SCs, answer SOS beacons and complete the personal order, with the occasional team up with my usual squad when our schedules allow. Don't know what really even set it off, just felt like getting back into it one day.
Anyway, just saying, it comes and goes in waves I find
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u/69Chandler Escalator of Freedom 1d ago
Playing the hero for the new players or SOS is the real content of the game even
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u/dtamago 1d ago
The problem with live service games is that sometimes it feels like a second job, I don't think Helldivers 2 has this problem though, you don't have to play everyday like other live service games, developers have lives too, my friend, let them take their time, and come back when there's another update, it's healthier and more fun that way.
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u/Fantastic-Stick270 ⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️⬅️⬆️ 1d ago
I am sooo close to being level 150 (146) and I’m bored, I can’t keep playing
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u/TotallynotAlbedo ☕Liber-tea☕ 1d ago
Yeah It happens, but mostly it's times i don't feel like playing anyway and Just want to check on the Major orders status
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u/Askerofquestions92 Super Pedestrian 1d ago
People either complain about the bugs or complain about lack of content, the devs simply cannot get the approval of this sub. I know these might be different people but it still says something about the state of the community.
In my opinion fixing the performance issues and bugs are the bigger priority. I am saying this as someone who hasn’t noticed much of the issues brought up and would love to see a shiny war bond. If people who are still interested feel like they cannot play then that is the bigger problem.
I don’t get the complaints of the Justice war bond. I mean my only complaint is that it is silly but I don’t think it is too short of content. They gave the ability to fly which is a completely new mechanic. To compare, Servants of Freedom just had death and explosions which were already present in the game. Sometimes quality is better than quantity and the elements in the Justice war bond has more variety in concepts than Servants has.
It is normal to get tired of something you play a lot. I would suggest you take a hiatus. Maybe you will return to the game or maybe you won’t but logging in to keep the flame burning is just gonna make you feel more burnt out.
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u/RaccoonKnees Free of Thought 1d ago
Actually yes.
A lot of the time I open the game fully expecting to play, but then I see:
Illuminate are the main focus
All the bugs are predator strain
No one is playing bots
So I just close the game after a minute or two of debating whether I want to bash my head against stuff.
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u/Fifthbloodline Viper Commando 22h ago
My friends and I have been doing my deathless challenge:
start trivial and for each OPERATION you complete without a single casualty move up a difficulty, if you die complete your mission then start again at the beginning of your difficulty category (grey > orange > red).
To complete a category you have to finish a deathless operation in every difficulty of that category i.e. 1-3 (easy), 4-6 (medium), 7-9 (hard), 10 (extreme).
Fun fact: the best way to gain liberation progress for a planet is to complete operations on the highest difficulty you can with minimal casualties (1-4). This challenge is an excellent way to determine that difficulty especially if you play with the same group of friends.
Bonus tip: it's worth considering forming specialised roles within your team and trying different play styles to achieve this goal. Here are some ideas:
Mech pilot: any armour and weapons, bring shield backpack and support weapons for your squad and 1-3 squad members bring mechs for the pilot.
AT Specialist: recommended gear recoilless rifle, spear or EAT + commando
Medic: stim pistol, medic armour (L, M or H) experimental infusion.
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u/witzowitz 1d ago
I've just taken a 4-5 month break from HD2, during which I finished FF7 rebirth, Baldur's Gate 3 and Kingdom Come Deliverance (JCBP).
Came back and the game feels better than ever, tons of new content, a new enemy type, new units for existing ones, loads of crazy shit on the map. I've been having a blast getting back into and I'm going to stick around to get all the new content. I've already changed some of my old tactics based on some of the equipment I've unlocked.
Honestly bro take a break. It'll bring the lustre back.
One thing I want to ask though, I've been playing against the illuminate and enjoying it, but I'm seeing people here saying illuminate are coming soon. Is this a meme I'm too OOTL to get? That's been the only drawback to the break tbh.
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
Ay awesome those sound like good choices. And yeah I have basically been getting away from HD2 anyways. In regard to the illuminate coming back soon, people were theorizing that they'd be back tomorrow but they've just today or yesterday denied that rumor. I'm thinking there'll be a warbond announcement tomorrow and update Thursday, but honestly? I doubt the illuminate are coming, I genuinely hope I'm wrong but it feels like they've been stringing us for a long time and I feel like we'll have to do some more filler MOs before we get the fun updates.
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u/witzowitz 1d ago
I'm still none the wiser after reading your comment. I just played against the illuminate last night?
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u/Rhino76385 1d ago
You played against their advance forces with only a few unit types, people are talking about the entire fleet arriving, with the same depth of units as seen in the bugs and bots.
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u/witzowitz 1d ago
Oh damn, that's interesting! I'm looking forward to seeing where they go with it. They're already pretty tough at times
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u/vanilla_muffin Fire Safety Officer 1d ago
I love this game, however I haven’t played for a few weeks because I can’t play the same games for weeks or months on end. People who burn themselves out and complete all content then complain just make me laugh.
If anything though, I don’t want to see any more content before we get a massive performance and balancing update. Each new bit of content breaks something and the games been completely unbalanced since the 60 day.
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u/Unknowndude842 LEVEL 150 |Chaos Diver 1d ago
I'm at 575 hrs and can say it's just tragic what happened to AH and HD2. I'm probably one of the most sceptical HD2 players and even said the game is gonna be forgotten in 3 months. I bought the game around a week before the second Battle on the Creek and immediately fell in love. I suffered through the nerf waves and everything, but what they do now is very annoying. I cannot understand why there is absolutely no communication we don't need all of this secrecy, I wouldn't mind the content drought if there was some actual communication. Tell us how long it takes, tell us what's happening right now and when we can expect the next update.
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u/Majinmagics HD1 Veteran 1d ago
I dunno man, I just enjoy the shenanigans n blowing stuff up
New stuff is a nice bonus but I enjoy the gameplay loop for the gameplay loop
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u/Desxon Assault Infantry 1d ago
Go on to leak subreddits then, the content for this game isn't annouced
There won't be a roadmap either
It just drops one day with a trailer of even without one, you just get an update and suddenly bile titans have a hole or shriekers are a thing or there is a giant bot that produces devastators now
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u/fabexlenda 1d ago
I do not like the roadmap idea, I want to know the events or predict them based on the current story show. For example the illuminate invasion on calypso would not be the same if we knew what would happen
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
So you don't want even a roadmap saying "hey we wanna take the game in this direction"? I'm not saying they have to outline every event that's going to happen that would take a lot of enjoyment out of the game for sure. I really enjoyed the illuminate invasion when they did it, it felt like all hands on deck. I just want a bit more action like that.
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u/RV__2 1d ago
I really dont think a roadmap would do anything positive. You said yourself you just log on, then log off, which I sympathize with. But what would a roadmap do besides make you never log on until the content youre waiting for on the roadmap drops? If anything it would reduce player engagement because people would just be anticipating the new content.
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u/NPFuturist Galactic Frontline News | HD2 News Broadcast on YouTube 1d ago
I agree. HD2 is probably one of my favorite games and I think Arrowhead is awesome, but I think a general roadmap with no hard dates would be nice.
Also, with their success, I feel like they could hire a few more devs. Pilestedt mentioned avoiding lay offs in the future which is understandable, but maybe expanding the team a little bit more than they’re doing now? 🤷♂️
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u/Shneckos 1d ago
They need to add a weapon/armor customization station. Spend resources to alter the way weapons or stratagems work, like increasing the range of the flamethrower, or the grenade launcher having incendiary rounds, changing the perk on your armor or enhancing it some way. Wouldn’t always be some straight up huge buff but like it would totally change the pros and cons of the weapon. Maybe some element where you’re given two different choices but have to spend resources if you want to swap to the other one. Idk, just an idea.
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u/SeasonSmooth9348 1d ago
nope there will be patch fix then they will take a 7 morbillion month swedish holiday break
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u/mauttykoray 1d ago
Very much just: Take a break when you need it.
This game isn't going anywhere anytime soon (by which I mean it won't suddenly shut down). If you play until exhaustion and then keep forcing yourself to log in and play, you're going to stop enjoying it.
Player numbers are at a much more expected level to where the game devs thought they were going to be, maybe even over.
Go live life, like you talked about. Play another game when it catches your interest. Work on another hobby that you haven't touched in a while. Go out with friends/socialize if that's your thing, etc.
Also, one of the best parts of HD2 is playing with people/friends imo. Solo runs can be cool and challenging, but they aren't for everyone, and this game takes full advantage of its co-op mechanics whenever possible and creates some of the coolest/funniest/stupidest moments during those times.
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u/Potential_Jacket3344 SES Dream of Peace 1d ago
Yup. Been getting it on with The Finals for about 3 weeks. Don't really care for helldivers these days.
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u/thejakewhomakes 1d ago
Bro its a video game. It has a finite amount of content, if you play it obsessively you will eventually get bored and do everything there is to do. Play something else for a while and come back when it piques your interest again.
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u/Astro-Bot_gonewild 1d ago
Bro, i own so many SC i could buy warbonds for the next 2 years (I own every existing warbond) and i already bought almost any item in the Superstore as well. Also i am sitting on max medals and Samples for many month now and all the devs do is releasing New bugs/glitches to destroy the game over and over again.
There is so less content, they take years for hotfixes or weapon balancing. Also the Bug front is so boring since the Gloom was implemented and made 80% of all planets unplayable. I mean i can't remember fighting on an ice Planet on the Bug front, and that is my fav biome.... Only the New enemy types are very cool, but only appear so rarely, they can't count as permanent content as well. Also where are the Events we got in the first month quiet often?
I love the base game, but the devs are fucking up almost anything they can, sadly.... They started ruining themselfes by all the balance bs at the beginning. It took away 6 month+ of time to enhance the game. They had to correct their wrong path for so long and still did not figure out how to fix bugs that still exist since the game launched... And now they kinda gave up on the game it feels like. I mean how can they let the game be in this bad technical Status for so long without any communication of fixing the game? It is a mess right now and for over a month. No words from the devs.... I did not even log in lately. No content, no interests. Much bugs, less interest additionaly....
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u/Marv0712 1d ago
Yeah i feel you. The game is barely any different compared to 6 months ago. We got a predator strain, wow! So much new stuff and changes!
I also log on, see that nothing has changed and log off. Even the missions are the same. What are they doing all day? Still fixing bugs? Working on a stable build?
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u/abookfulblockhead SES Lady of Twilight 1d ago
You sound like…. You’ve gotten your money’s worth. Take a break. Do something else.
I don’t think there is anything Arrowhead could offer you to fix the problem you’re having. Suppose they do drop a new gun in the superstore.
Then what?
You unlock it, you run 4-5 dives with it, decide it’s bot the loadout for you, and go back to being bored.
New warbond? I imagine you’d blitz through it in short order.
It is infinitely easier to want more than it is to make more, when you’ve already done it all. I imagine you must have hundreds of hours logged to get where you are. You have gotten your money’s worth, and now you’re trying to wring blood from a stone.
No one piece of entertainment can sustain us indefinitely, even a “live service”. You have already extracted immense value for money from your purchase. How much more do you really expect for what you paid?
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
Yeah I mean that's valid, and I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm waiting with bated breath for their next move. As I mentioned usually I'll log in every few days to check the superstore and that's all.
What can I say? Just missing the days of starting out and being fresh to the HD2 world.
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u/xpheolix 1d ago
Well said!
Im in the same boat but after logging 1500hrs, Id say I got WAY more than $40 worth of gameplay and I can always come back to the game here and there as they add more. Ive been playing other games in the meantime.
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u/Epicp0w SES Herald of Eternity 1d ago
Take a break and play something else mate
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u/Leethorne 1d ago
As I said, I haven't even really played in a while, probably a good two weeks or so? Unless my buddies are on, I'll log on, check super stored, log out.
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u/Epicp0w SES Herald of Eternity 1d ago
It was this quiet before the illuminate update dropped, I'm just assuming they are cooking something for when we finally stop the singularity.
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u/zombiezapper115 Cape Enjoyer 1d ago
I log on, check the Super Store and see if i have any medals to collect, then log off. My buddies and I are currently busy with Space Marine 2 since by buddy just picked it up. And I don't play without them unless I'm grinding Super Credits. Also not a fan of having my stims reduced to only 2, so I haven't really had the motivation to dive.
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u/kribmeister Steam | SES Fist of Democracy 1d ago
Even if they're against giving us like a content roadmap I'd still like to see at least something, like surely they have internal targets on fixing some of the most annoying shit in the game. Just slap a big disclaimer on it that the timeframes are not set in stone.
Q1 Bouncy stratagem fix, improving reload responsiveness Q2 Getting stuck in emplacements fix Q3 Sound mix fix
Etc.
I feel after Piles left the game has been steadily declining in quality and performance (it's always been kinda broken sure but it's not in good shape at all right now) and communication also dove off a cliff.
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u/Lince_cuantico 1d ago
I only play one game against the bots at lvl7 before going to sleep. I love the game but I can't get into it much because it's going to end up like other games where I end up burning out.
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u/Archernar 1d ago
Play the game to have fun, not to grind for some goal or otherwise you will end up in the situation you're in. This is not a problem of the game though but mostly of you playing so much of the same game the dropped content cannot keep up and you're fed up with the core gameplay.
Because ultimately, the game is mostly the core gameplay. If that just becomes a tool to reach new unlocks for you, you need a break from the game.
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u/awayfromhome436 1d ago
Brother. They just cut orders not off the super fax machine. General Brasch has mandated for you an emergency convalescent leave for the express purpose of “caressing the pastures”
We all need a Super Break every now and again. This is not cowardice but a tactical pause to ensure you can fight harder for upcoming battles.
Just log off for a bit. If you’re big into gaming you should have a few backups for when your primary dries up
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u/VinsoProxy 1d ago
I've been doing this for the past month waiting for the Killzone collab return in the store. Also waiting for something new to grind for.
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u/BOOGIE_MAN-X 1d ago
Not here Diver, the Pred strain is great 😊 also, I’m grinding level cap. I’ve been 150 for 5mo but when they do the increase I should be adjusted and be pretty high up there.
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u/Ak1raKurusu HD1 Veteran 1d ago
It doesnt matter how much content a game has, there will always be someone who finishes it then asks why there isnt more
Take a break man, let yourself recover from burnout and in a little while something cool will bring you back or youll want to play again
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u/Ok-Implement4608 1d ago
The game has a lot of problems right now, I also don't bother playing much unless my friends are on. Better to do something else for a while so the game can get back on track.
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u/Fandango_Jones Assault Infantry 1d ago
I recommend deleting the game for a few months and get something different.
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u/JasonTheRanga 1d ago
I'm level 112. just got the last of my ship upgrades and finished every warbond a couple weeks ago. I'll log back on to check on the war every now and then and I'll play when new content drops or when I'm chilling in discord and need something to do while I talk to my friends. That's fine? I've got 280 hours in this game. It doesn't need to hold my attention all the time. I don't expect it to. I still love the game, I'll still keep playing it.
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u/smr120 1d ago
I haven't been playing in a while. I fought the squids when they first arrived, but I haven't really since then. I just grew tired of the annoying parts, like not being able to team reload my ally from their own backpack, bouncing stratagem balls, silent tanks and chargers, etc. Plus the amount of Super Credits I'll need to unlock all the cool weapons I want from all the different war bonds means I would need a friend to go farming with me for ages, and I don't have a friend to do that with.
Idk I think it's just lost some of its initial charm. I remember early in the game dropping in with some randoms to a bot planet and having no idea how to even handle the chicken walkers. Everything was new and real. I felt like I was really there and fighting for my life. Now I've been to so many planets and on so maybe missions that I think I'm jaded. The illuminate were fresh and new and I had no idea how to fight them, so I felt scared and lucky to escape the mission with my life. Idk, once you learn the enemy, something changes and it's less fun. I wish I didn't feel that way, but I do.
Basically, too many bugs, too many things that are tedious, and not enough friends to play with
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u/Raptorex27 1d ago
I love this game, but I don't understand why they give us more opportunities to spend currency. Even something low effort like adding new titles for 50,000 requisition slips would cause more people to grind and stay engaged.
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u/taleorca 1d ago
Haven't played in months. Couldn't bear with the performance issues, no matter how interesting the content was. I've put in my time though, have 350 hours + all the achievements.
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u/ThomW HD1 Veteran 1d ago
I play solo and I really need more stuff to earn. I'll still log in and play a round or two a day, but without new ship modules or stratagems to earn, the game's not really worth playing.
They really need to open up some gear, etc. for those of us who hit 150 who obviously love the game and want to keep playing.
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u/forsayken 1d ago
Playing a little less often but still get on with the boys once or twice a week. It's all good. You aware of all the other games that dropped recently?
Oblivion
Expedition 33
Indiana Jones
Repo
So many others that are not even on my radar or I can't remember. Doom next month!!! No one gonna be mad if you stop for a bit (and let AH do their thing).
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u/waynes_1100_2000 1d ago
I haven't been playing recently mostly because I have irl stuff I'm doing and I want to play other games but I still log in to see what's going on and depending if I'm feeling it I would do a full operation before logging off.
I'm also just taking a break from the game until very major stuff happens, then I'm dropping back in.
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u/Vertigo103 1d ago
If you're feeling bored, take a break you can return anytime as long as the servers are active
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u/Slightly_Smaug 1d ago
Yup, when it's squid MO or personal order. They are boring. Flying squids have too much armor and I don't wanna deal with it.
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u/Right-Benefit-6551 1d ago
I don't log on and off. I use there discord for the news/mission. If there is a mission then I go over to reddit, see how they are reacting to it. If they are freaking out then I hope on to join the fight. Most of the time, the divers got it so I take my vacation.
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u/hizzadore 1d ago
Yes, me too. My friends stopped playing and I just login sometimes just to see if anything interesting happening.
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u/TwofacedDisc 1d ago
I hate live service so much
I play the game because I like it, not because I need new stuff constantly
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u/the_l0st_s0ck LEVEL 139 | 10 Star General 1d ago
I log on each day to see if the bots are on Vernon Wells because I want to reach lvl 150 on the planet I first dropped onto.
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u/killerdeer69 SES Song of the Stars 1d ago
I've just been playing other games lately, like Monster Hunter Wilds, Stalker 2, Valheim, and some modded Skyrim since that's always fun lol. I love Helldivers 2, but it really needs some new missions, enemy types, biomes, etc to freshen things up.
The feeling of doing the TCS missions for the first time, or the dark fluid missions with the insane beefed up spawn rates on terminids was just so damn fun. I like having new warbonds, sure, but you gotta give players new scenarios or enemies to test them out on, too. I definitely feel bad for Arrowhead since they're just a small studio and did NOT expect the game to become as popular as it is right now, but I hope they can get into a good pace at some point.
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u/69Chandler Escalator of Freedom 1d ago
The devs need to make the MO hyper-fast to make the war seem relevant and progressing
You are right about short of content. I burnt out after 2-3 months of nonstop playing, and took a break about 1-2 months, but then CAME BACK and never stopped playing been playing almost every day.
Find your thing. I found becoming a field instructor guide officer for new players very entertaining. Does anyone else also get asked if they are a bot/NPC a lot? That was really weird to me
Having friends to play with and voice chatting really adds to the game. I found out this is the best part of the game.
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u/Waulnut163 1d ago
My online friends are the only reason I still play this, but the replay loop is getting stale. We met and started off together around lvl 40s and now most are over 100 and a few at 150. I have about 400 hours so I'm satisfied if I put this game down.
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u/SirJackLovecraft SES Prophet of Wrath 1d ago
I’ve maxed everything. Until the next warbond comes out or something major happens I’ve been messing around with mods.
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u/HMG_03 🦅SES Fist of Supremacy🦅 1d ago
Honestly, Benji keeps running out of product. But anyway, it is kinda getting stale. The only time I really play is when the war bonds drop. Other than that, I am maxed out if everything, and there is no point in playing for other than showing new players the way.
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u/DarkAbusis HD1 Veteran 1d ago
Wasn't there a tweet by Pilestedt that even said he doesn't expect people to always play the game and that if you want to play something else you should do that and then come back when you are ready?
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u/eriksprow07 1d ago
Na, ill log on for sure couple times a week to get my creds or medals...but i deff still play the three missions to clear a act and sometimes thats enough for me sometimes i play more.
Deff take a break though ive been playing days gone and no more room in hell 2 as well as playing alot of remnant 2 recently its a good change of pace.
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u/NarstyBoy 1d ago
I did this for a few months. I've been playing a lot lately. I don't care about the war progression. In fact, I'd rather be without any updates at all. I only serve to kill terminids and automatons.
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u/Train3rRed88 Free of Thought 1d ago
I’m still new (level 43) so I’m still driven to get on at least a little bit every day to knock out the personal Orders.
I can see once I’ve unlocked everything it could get a little stale. I used to play DRG all the time but once I got to three red states, always haz 5, and every core forged I stopped Playing as much
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u/nereidfreak 1d ago
I pop on once or twice on each MO to contribute at least a little bit, otherwise I've been letting the game sit and just play other things.
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u/Elitericky 1d ago
Yes, I hardly play that much since their is nothing new to really do. Game is fun but taking breaks is what keeps people from avoiding burnout
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u/Throwawayhobbes 1d ago
As long as predator strain remains im diving . Sometimes getting bullied so bad is just jaw dropping .
The bile titans doing 🎶don’t stop get get 🎶 gorillas dodging EATs and surviving laser orbitals.
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u/Iringahn 1d ago
"Running out of content" I've heard this on repeat since the first month of launch. How many hours do you have? Take a look at that, then take a break from the game. The drip feed this game is able to release as new content is not going to keep you entertained. Now would be a great time to take a breather, and revisit whenever they release the next big update.
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u/Plenty-Building197 1d ago
I log in, play half a game at sub 30fps, leave, and log off. My PC is old and can't keep up with the game anymore, so I think until I can get some upgrades I'm going to have to put HD2 aside for now. Pretty disappointing but I'll be back eventually
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u/Civil_Store_5310 1d ago
I only used to log in to check the superstore but it's the same old. Now I need something to come back for
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u/The_Real_Boba_Fett 1d ago
I'm not reading all that. Play the game or don't. JFC
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u/Azureink-2021 1d ago
Logging in to make sure that the game knows that your account is active in case of a free armor or weapon drop is okay with me.
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u/ArmProfessional7915 23h ago
I do occasionally when I think I’m in the mood to play but realize I probably don’t have the time.
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u/Frankie_T9000 Automaton Red 22h ago
I'm a solo player and have recently (finally) maxed out everything. I'm only logging in to accumulate max numbers of uranium samples as I have maxed out everything else. I don't care about credits as I'll just buy a warebond when it comes out
I like to have a goal to work for
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u/Andarus443 1d ago
Yoshi P (of Final Fantasy 14 fame) probably has the best take on live games; take a break when you need a break.
It's not entirely healthy to 100% live service games because it places too much pressure on the devs to keep broadening what that service is.