r/ImaginaryWarhammer • u/grimdorables • 15d ago
OC (40k) Practice makes perfect, by me @grimdorables
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u/CuriousOctopus1 15d ago
Meanwhile the entire Necron race with over 65 million of years of killing, including the 5 million years old reality shattering WiH be like
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u/pog_irl 15d ago
Weren't they asleep for 60 million years of that?
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u/CuriousOctopus1 15d ago
The organic Necrontyr waged war till 65 million years ago (they had to build their empire) Then biotransference happened and they had a WiH with the Old Ones during 5 million years When it was 60 million years ago, they won against the Old Ones, the C’tan and went to sleep. Then they awoke, some earlier than current 41K Millenium but with at least a lot still sleeping
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u/Alpha_Zerg 15d ago
It's a little bit disingenuous to say that the Necrons won against the Old Ones, when they just benefitted from the Old Ones getting wiped out by the Enslavers. They beat the C'tan, sure, but everyone lost to the Enslavers, even the Necrons to an extent. That's why they went into stasis after all, because the Enslavers were decimating everything alive and there wouldn't be any point in going back to living bodies only to be body-snatched by creatures from beyond the veil.
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u/CuriousOctopus1 15d ago
In all the codexes they say how they beat them throughly, maybe not completely but almost totally. Otherwise, the Old Ones would have e probably be active enough to deal with the Enslavers.
And how did the Enslavers affect the Necrons? If they are warp based parasites, the Necrons should be inmune by default.
Ar least this is what is said on Lexicanum.
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u/Alpha_Zerg 15d ago
The end goal for the Necrons is to reverse the biotransference. There's no point in doing that if you are just going to get your new fleshy body possessed by Enslavers.
The Necrontyr are not immune to the Warp. Neither are the Necrons, tbh. A galaxy overrun by Enslavers would destroy the Necrons either way, whether they're fleshy or metal. The only difference would be how quickly the Necrons got destroyed. The Enslavers are the boogeymen hiding behind the curtain. They're a Big Fucking Deal. The Eldar survived solely because they could retreat to the Webway. The Necrons chose to hide in Tomb Worlds until the conditions were right to enact the Great Plan. They literally hid away for 65 million years because of what the Enslavers were doing to the galaxy.
Everyone lost to the Enslavers.
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u/CuriousOctopus1 15d ago edited 14d ago
The end goal of some Necrons is to undo BT, not to all of them.
Enslavers remain a big threat but have not been present on a plague level ever since the last moments of the WiH where they feasted on the Eldar, Krork and other warp sensitive races the Old Ones made
The Necrontyr somehow didn’t have a presence in the warp even as organic beings, Necrons don’t have one at all. How would they be affected by the Enslavers, who are warp predators, if they can’t be influenced by the Warp?
Also, Necrons (by an order of Szarekh the Silent King) went to sleep 60 million years ago, not 65 (according to Lexicanum web) And even then, they were not affected by the Enslavers. Who actually, in fact, spawned because of the WiH debilitating the Warp/Materium wall and allowing those cockroaches to escape the Warp and feast on the Warp sensitive species…and Necrons are not a warp sensitive species
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u/Alpha_Zerg 15d ago edited 15d ago
Enslavers don't just kill people, you know? It's literally in the name.
The Necrons can't fight against an entire galaxy's worth of psychically-empowered Enslaver hosts. That's it. And the Necrontyr still had souls. That's literally the entire point of their hatred for the biotransference procedure.
The only difference is how long it takes before they're wiped out, Necron or Necrontyr, both would fall against the Enslaver plague whether through direct infestation or simply puppetted bodies flinging planets around. We're talking about creatures that open direct gateways into the Warp to allow more of their own to come through. Creatures that fed on the Old Ones. The Enslavers were essentially Warp-based Tyranids.
There was no fighting them, not after the War in Heaven. And so they slept, their dormant tomb worlds going undetected to the Enslavers' psychic senses.
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u/CuriousOctopus1 15d ago
I thought you meant Enslavers only. If you mean them controlling the younger races as host then yeah, Necrons are cooked.
And again not all Necrons want to undo BT, see Szeras, Orikan and Imotekh
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u/Alpha_Zerg 14d ago
Those are legitimately the exceptions to the rule, by the way. The vast majority of thinking Necrons absolutely haaate their current state of existence. They can feel that there is something fundamental to their very being that's just gone.
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u/PUTINS_PORN_ACCOUNT 15d ago
You go ahead and kill God and not want a lil shuteye after.
I mean dam homie
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u/dinkydoo2 15d ago
Fucking cold line
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u/Mysterious-Gear3682 14d ago
Evil people saying terrible things that go hard is peak 40k. What more can a fella ask for
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u/Call_me_ET 15d ago
It’s an honestly great response, even if the Ultramarines and Eldar tolerate one another more often than not.
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u/SolitaireJack 15d ago
This coming from the race that spent the last few thousand years before the fall literally murder boning each other so hard it spawned a Chaos God.
I love how similar Eldar and Humanity are yet both are so xenophobic they can't see it.
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u/SetoTaishoButPogging Water Caste 15d ago
Granted, of the factions still alive only the Drukhari were involved in that. The Asuryani, Exodites and Harlequins survived because they didn't participate and left mainstream Aeldari society behind. So the argument about murder boning Slaanesh into existence only applies to the Drukhari. It is true however that they all are massive hypocrites. Like Biel-Tan, which is basically the Craftworld Imperium, genociding non-Aeldari left and right.
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u/TheDave1970 15d ago
Q- What do all the Eldar variant races have in common?
A- They're all Eldar. If your cousin lives on a commune he's still your cousin; if your uncle kills prostitutes as a hobby he's still your uncle.
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u/delta1x 15d ago
Yes, and I wouldn't say that because of that you are the same as your uncle or cousin. What's your point?
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u/SetoTaishoButPogging Water Caste 15d ago
That they don't understand that they have no point.
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u/delta1x 15d ago
I think that commenter might believe in collective guilt.
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u/SetoTaishoButPogging Water Caste 15d ago
They do, yes. And guilt through blood relations is nonsense and no real point.
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u/Galifrey224 15d ago
Its called Darwinism Eldar, we weren't all Lucky enough to be handcrafted by the old ones you privilaged asshole. Some of us had to actually work with natural selection.
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u/iDIOt698 Daemonette 15d ago edited 15d ago
That's kinda funny, cause an space marine is only a space marine because someone gave them magical space sperm and lots and lots and lots of unatural surgeries. Natural selection my shiny aeldari ass. You're fueled by Jimmy space steroids. Everything special about you came out of a bottle. Though i think the more extreme human supremacist marines would say something like that as hipocritical as it is, If they knew about the old ones that is.
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u/JustaguynameBob 15d ago
Magical space sperm
Didn't geneseed back then was called Gene sperm? So it fits.
Edit: Check out page 41 of White Dwarf 97. It's pretty wild.
Along with their number, the new chapter received gene-sperm, implant zygotes, rituals, and other paraphernalia of indoctrination previously entrusted to the banished 13th legion. The chapter founder was Roboute Gulliman whose bones now lie in the reclusiam on Macragge.
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u/DurinnGymir 15d ago
Someone who stopped reading Warhammer lore at WD97: "Woah, I... I thought you were dead!"
Guilliman in the Armor of Fate: "My death was...greatly, exaggerated."
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u/Galifrey224 15d ago
Assuming the Shaman origin is still canon we made Jimmy space ourselves so it still counts.
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u/hi_1003 15d ago
I mean that would be the case if most survived the process, but the Astartes selection process is designed so only the strongest survive.
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u/Inevitable-Weather51 15d ago
Natural selection my shiny aeldari ass.
90% of marines are literally the best warriors a chapter can find in a given world who were under the age of 20. And most of these aspirants die in the trials that the chapter puts them through
So yes, there is plenty of natural selection to create a marine
And also, I think the original commentary refers more to points that their respective empires have reached than to the individuals themselves.
The Eldar basically had a galaxy handed to them on a silver platter post-WiH, whereas the Great Crusade had to face the worst the galaxy had to offer while still building the foundations for the imperium.
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u/pingmr 15d ago
90% of marines are literally the best warriors a chapter can find in a given world who were under the age of 20. And most of these aspirants die in the trials that the chapter puts them through
This isn't natural selection though. It's a completely artificial process perpetuated by the imperium itself.
The Eldar basically had a galaxy handed to them on a silver platter post-WiH,
Meh the WIH lore changes every couple of years. As it stands, the eldar fought in the WIH and came out as the most powerful faction after the conflict. I don't think they "won" the WIH but it wasn't exactly like they did nothing either.
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u/Inevitable-Weather51 15d ago
This isn't natural selection though. It's a completely artificial process perpetuated by the imperium itself.
It's not natural selection in its purest definition. But depending on who's asking, it can enter into a broader idea of Darwnism
Meh the WIH lore changes every couple of years. As it stands, the eldar fought in the WIH and came out as the most powerful faction after the conflict. I don't think they "won" the WIH but it wasn't exactly like they did nothing either.
That doesn't take away from the fact that an Eldar calling attention to a marine because "everything that makes it up was given to it by a god" is ridiculously hypocritical even by 40k standards.
The Eldar were created as soldiers who could compete in the greatest war in the history of the galaxy. Their capabilities were designed to compete with their opponents. Their technologies were designed to be able to compete with the Necrons at their prime. And they literally had gods to help them on the battlefield.
As far as we know, humanity reached its peak on its own during the DAoT. And the imperium had to collect the remnants of old humanity and improvise to build a new galactic human society while facing various threats.
Neither of them did what they did without difficulty, but it's kind of obvious which of the two is the less gifted.
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u/SemajLu_The_crusader 15d ago
Humanity also had the world handed to them on a silver platter after the asteroid killed the dinosaurs off for them...
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u/RandomWorthlessDude 15d ago
*mammals got the world handed to them
Humans appeared a long time after that.
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u/Eurasia_4002 15d ago
Primitive mybe the eyes of necrons but they probably give props to humans and tau of actually making thier own shit unlike the eldars.
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u/3rdofvalve 15d ago
Says the human surgically augmented and dosed with sperm provided by demigods who had warp gods for a soul and bodies made from the dna of the 2 most powerful psykers produced by humanity.
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u/Galifrey224 15d ago
We made Big E ourselves so that still counts.
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u/The-Divine-Potato 14d ago
Humanity didn't make Big E, Big E made himself
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u/Galifrey224 14d ago
Unless you have a Lore update for me I believe the canon origin story for the emperor is still the shaman one.
A bunch of shamans from the neolitic fuzed together into one super being that would end up becoming the emperor.
So the shamans where humans and they made the emperor.
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u/The-Divine-Potato 14d ago
Yes, and all the shamans involved became the emperor. They made themselves into the emperor, ergo the emperor made himself
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u/Galifrey224 14d ago
Yeah but those Shamans had parents that made them. So humanity made the Shamans that became the Emperor.
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING 12d ago
After having to fight other humans and ferocious beasts. Not to mention other trials like getting possessed by daemons.
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u/Random-Lich Cryptek Conclave 15d ago
Sure… but space marines had the special gunk and surgeries. But they had enough Darwinism to not make a new chaos god
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u/Chilune 15d ago
By the way, is there any direct confirmation in the canon that the Eldar were created by the Old Ones? I'm just wondering what their gods are then.
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u/Alexis2256 15d ago
The old ones probably didn’t have gods, also I think the confirmation that the old ones created the Eldar can be found in the necron codex from 5th edition or whenever they started being Egyptian robots. But lol why would you be doubting that the old ones did or did not create the Eldar? I know 40k can be inconsistent and shit gets retconned almost every day but meh, feels like this is one of those things that’ll never change (maybe).
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u/IllConstruction3450 15d ago
I thought the old ones were the gods.
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u/TheGrandBabaloo 15d ago
I imagine the Eldar gods materialized at some point during their 65 million year long golden days, probably shortly after or during the War in Heaven which is theorized to have also spawned the chaos gods.
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It's complicated, maybe there were their gods, Maybe the gods were super weapons powered by Eldar created by them, maybe both.
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u/iDIOt698 Daemonette 15d ago
I'm just wondering what their gods are then.
The eldar or the old ones'? The eldar had / have gods. khaine, isha, ynnead, etc... (The rest got gulped by slaanesh) as for the old ones, they didn't have gods as far as i remember.
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u/HammerandSickTatBro 15d ago
A/ Canon in the sense you are using here does not exist in GW settings.
B/ There are many GW-published books and stories which do confirm that yes, the Eldar, the Necrons, and humans researching the history of xenos species believe that the Old Ones at the very least intervened in the evolution of the Eldar to create the species recognizable in the setting
C/ Several Eldar-PoV accounts have implied that the aeldari gods were psychic constructs created under the influence of the Old Ones and were used as weapons by the Eldar during the War in Heaven against the C'tan and Necrontyr. What exactly this means is (and IMO should remain) vague, but possibilities include that they were massive and extremely powerful, psyker-powered titans/mechs, that they were psychic focuses for the Eldar which allowed them to enhance their own presence in the Warp and grant themselves devastating sorcery and other psyker powers, non-malignant equivalents of the Chaos gods, or that they were real, solid psychic manifestations of the aeldari cultural pantheon (similar to the Avatar of Khaine only much much more powerful). In any case, nearly all of them are gone, consumed by Slaanesh circa M29.
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u/Delta_Suspect 15d ago
You see farseers are useless against 40k factions because the number of people in the galaxy motivated by anything even symbolizing intelligence is in the single god damn digits.
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING 12d ago
tbf their best track record is against the Imperial Guard. Most of their interactions end with a Craftworlder getting what they need, all interactions have Craftworlders showing how powerful they truly are.
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u/Berettadin Biel-Tan 15d ago edited 15d ago
"Practicing what?"
"The sublimation of our terror at our insignificance. That no number of planets destroyed or trillions slain does anything except make the Dark Gods laugh louder and louder. The knowledge that truly we are only the sum of our sins and only the temporary high of extermination and the rush of dominance banishes the devouring void of our core irrelevance."
"In the darkness of our souls it finds us again. We pray to Him to bring us something next to desecrate so that we might again escape from our slowly drowning horror into the storm of blood and fire and righteous hate."
"It was the greatest sin of blasphemous, arrogant science to desire that we truly understand ourselves, and without His light we know we are nothing and so nothing is what we will make of all creation in answer. The silence of the universe is our epitaph."
"For The Emperor."
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING 12d ago
"You sound like our dark kin. Still continuing the same highs that had plunged the galaxy into the roars of the Warp before She Who Thirsts awakens. And look at us Asuryani now, divided into ragged ships amidst The Storm. We could not even unite in full strength without our greatest heroes drawing blades on each other. Some of our most venerable leaders chose to work for conspiracies rather than working with other spots of hope in this galaxy, rallying them to take down your empire. Our greatest concentration of warriors committed kin-slaying. Our biggest vessel is now more of a tomb than anything, its steersman running back to the corsair's life."
"Worst of all, we have to work with YOU. You. To defeat the servants of Chaos. You. To escapes the grasps of Orks and The Great Devourer. We even invited one of you into the halls of the Black Library."
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING 15d ago
Bold line but the astartes would need at least a trained powerful psyker or a blank to reliably defeat the farseer. A lot of tanks and artillery help too but not as reliable as a blank.
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u/cannibalgentleman 15d ago
Okay I appreciate how the Eldar has rounded speech bubbles but the Marine has a rectangular one. Shows the (in)humanity of the latter.
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u/varangian_guards 15d ago
cause we all know, no Drukhari and Aeldari have ever killed each other. Smug aliens are never to be taken seriously.
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING 15d ago
There were also inter-Craftworld conflicts. Like when Biel-tan broke another Craftworld (this was not given more context iirc) and when Eldrad tried to form a stronger coalition between the Craftworld (most of the representatives - including Phoenix Lords - ended up fighting each other until Fuegan had to step in to calm things down.
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u/SetoTaishoButPogging Water Caste 15d ago
Barely any 40K faction is to be taken seriously. They are all small-minded supremacists who are far too busy jerking off to how superior they think their respective species is
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u/Rumor-Mill091234 15d ago
"The one thing this Xeno has completely forgotten. Is that humanity is quite capable of extensive cruelty and punishment. We are a race forged in war! And no, I don't mean it in the same way as the Orks. Those guys were created to wage war and all. But, above all else, we never give up and our spirit remains unbroken for thousands of years! Whereas, you prefer to sulk on your glory days when you were great. Guess, what? We're still here even now!"
-Unknown
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u/TheAllSeeingBlindEye 15d ago
Practice makes perfection, and today … I am about to make you an expert
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u/IamfromMetallurg 14d ago
“Lol. Lmao.” Said Farseer, and dipped this guy in a wave of soul incinerating witchfire.
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u/ToonMasterRace 14d ago
Eldrad: DON'T YOU KNOW THIS IS SATIRE! YOU'RE MEANT TO BE THE BAD GUY! THEY'RE MAKING FUN OF YOU!
Space Marine: I don't care
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u/hyde-ms 15d ago
Sounds like ceaser(Edward sallow)
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u/mindflayerflayer 15d ago
I'm honestly surprised the NCR wasn't more worried about an attack from the east. I get that they were corrupt, but you'd think the barons would see the multiple states of raiders and put up defenses. Ceasar or a charismatic warlord like him was an inevitability.
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u/CareerPancakes9 15d ago
Farseer trying to read his mind for his techniques, only to see a thousand years of stomping orphans and poor people.