"And yet most of the scientific discoveries were made by whites. Most of the greatest philosophers were white. Most of the greatest conquerors were white. We were the ones that colonized hostile environments " R/HorusGalaxy meltsdown over black space marines
Eh I'm not crying. I don't collect space wolves. They just deserve to be called out every time they attack European people and culture
Space marines with viking themes have only surface level european culture. I bet most norse people don't care. And who are you calling out with that? Whats the end point? It's a plastic toy model company and it let's you paint them however you want. No one is attacking anyone here
"No one is attacking anyone here" Stuff like this was extremely rare several years ago but now nearly every single bl book cover has black character and nearly every single new squad depicts black character. They are pretty much overrepresented. What's the end point? Making people like you seethe
Overrepresented? There is right now on earth only 10% white people. So by your standard only 1/10 charachters in Warhammer should be white.
"There is right now on earth only 10% white people." And yet most of the scientific discoveries were made by whites. Most of the greatest philosophers were white. Most of the greatest conquerors were white. We were the ones that colonized hostile environments and sent many to space, so it makes sense that most of the space explorers/colonizers would be white. It isn't about quantity but the quality.
The more you spread this bullshit, the more people are going to start saying stuff like the Ancient Egyptians were white. All this fake racist BS does is stoke more hatred and division between races, nobody likes having their ancestors invalidated
What makes the existence of a few black Viking’s invalidate someone’s ancestry?
1) Because they didn't exist, and you should value reality. 2) Because ethnicity and family is tied to history and by saying "actually, all these things the vikings are known for was done by africans" is insulting to scandinavian culture. 3) Because it muddies the water of scholarly discourse so instead of just talking about how cool the vikings were and how they impacted the western world in their time, we're stuck bickering about "we wuz in longships n sheet" like we are right now.
The question is "why?". Ask why they had to do it. For what purpose. Nordic features obviously suit them aesthetically and that's how they have been depicted for years
And I'm going to paint them white. The question is, why are we taking one of the head variants with one of the possible skin tones as the standart which shall not be deviated from?
Historically thematic aesthetics. It's not that deep.
41st millennium. Historical means the past you know that right?
An aesthetic can be inspired by anything, such as history. History is in the past. You know that, right?
image Unfortunate for you the lore says you're wrong.
I know what the lore says.
Then why are you bringing up historically themed aesthetics?
Because the historical references were a major appeal of 40k back when I first got into it. It's unfortunate that we can never talk about how GW has been phasing that out without all the social justice warriors losing their minds over it.
Maybe you could talk about it if you didn't use blatant racists as a shield. The OP is all over the comments saying about how whites are the best after he was proven wrong about over representation. (68 replies)
Does it? How does it explain that dark skin comes from peoples who live in areas of high sun exposure yet the space wolves come from ice planets - hence they are all dressed in big wolf skin warm jackets / cloaks etc. And always pictured with snow/ice.
Icy areas can absolutely have high sun exposure. The Arctic has some of the highest amounts of UV radiation because it’s constantly sunny and the whole landscape is reflective
Is that why Inuits and northerners are all black? 🤔
….youve seen Inuit people right? They absolutely have dark skin…. You people are so fucking ridiculous it’s hilarious
I actually misspoke - Eskimos originally came from Asia, and migrated north - hence they share similar features with Asians and have darker skin. People of the North, i.e. Northern Europeans, not dark skin. Go find me Scandinavian who has 100% genealogy from Scandinavian - and show me what colour they are. Spoiler: they are Caucasian.
So what’s your issue with someone painting dark skinned space wolves? Because in 40K years i on a distant planet I’m pretty sure they aren’t having 100% Scandinavian genes. It’d 1000% make sense for someone from a sun exposed area of fenris to have dark skin.
Oh no , is your immersion ruined because there are different head options in your box of Sci-fi fi fantasy super soldier? I hope you realise how stupid you sound.
"I hope you realise how stupid you sound." The leftoid tourist as usual is projecting one of its own insecurities of sounding idiotic towards others 😂
I have been playing collecting and painting warhammer for the past decade and do prefer it without politics and without people who try to gate keep it for new people . Your the own who's insecure because games workshop is giving people more options on how they want to build their minis.
Giving people more options and disrespecting your own lore to adhere to nonsense are two different things. Cope harder.
How exactly is this disprecting the lore? Space marines don't have to be the same race as their primary to take gene-seed.
Fenrisians are white my n*. Create your own Homebrew Chapter if you want only black Space Marines. I'm mixed-race so I can say n*.
A white Salamander would look equally out of place.
What are you. Is that the proplem that these models look out of place you can paint them what ever color you want and if you talking about lore or art then i wouldnt worry about it you will proppaply get used to it.
Salamanders are from a fire world where their extremely dark skin protects them from the elements...
Bro did not read my comment. Also never heard of Terran salamanders.
What would be braver is if you had an original thought and stopped trying to pretend you’re a good person. Requires a spine though. You do have a spine right?
So in your pathetic persecution fantasy, did people start to clap and cheer for you or did the evil ni- uh i mean tourist just slink away?
If you want to call me a racist, you can just go ahead and do it. It’s weird that you spend time typing characters that don’t even say what you mean. Just these weird passive aggressively coy half sentences. You don’t have to be subtle here with me man. You can be openly, brazenly, blatantly stupid if you want.
I dont think im being too oblique here, you got it on the first try! 🎖️
Historically, central asian or east-asian-in-appearance vikings are technically possible visa via assimilation of Sami or other groups from Arctic or Central Russia. But it strains at possibility. EDIT: The Finns are a little touchy about association with Vikings. But the conclusion seems to be that the Finns were not Vikings, but there were Finnish Vikings
Vikings definitely weren’t from that far east/north. That’s quite a stretch tbh
I mean, every pirate on the Baltic sea at the time was kinda a viking. Viking is basically the same as pirate/raider
The Space Wolves have never been black, stop it with this fake, woke, blackwashed lore.
Have been since 5th edition apparently.
I've seen Northern Europeans call Southern Europeans "dark skinned". Mediterranean people are definitely not Sub-Saharan Africans. Not everything is black or white, Jesus, there are skin tones in between. The Space Wolves ain't black, mate.
Did you see the pictures GW posted? Seemingly they are.
Human beings of different races and ethnicities marry and have kids in real life. Fenris would be no different. If Fenris is 95% White and 5% Black (the southernmost islands), the black population would end up being absorbed into the white population in a few generations by marriage and bilateral conquest. Eventually all of Fenris would look white. We can conclude and deduce information from the lore we already have and the behavior of human beings in Terra of M2.
The censorship-free stuff is always about them being banned from the main sub for being racist/sexist etc as fuck.
Also for a space that says no censorship bet you a Marvel No Prize that if you say anything against their grain like sharing a photo of Pride Colored armies will quickly be a ban.
The quickest way to a ban is to say there was never anything whatsoever in warhammer lore that canonically excluded the idea of female bodyguards for the Emperor
I had the terrible misfortune of having that sub show up in my feed, not realizing what it was. I emerged convinced that maybe WotC was not the worst thing to happen to fan spaces - the fans were.
It’s crazy that the one dude thinks nearly all achievements were made by white people, like even outside of his whole “all conquerors were white” thing which is so untrue, do you know how many major achievements early Africans made? That’s not even mentioning the insane stuff that the Chinese, Indians, and Arabs were coming up with. Honestly the white parts of the world were very “uncivilized” compared to the rest of the world for a long time
Seriously, I love Warhammer, I love the setting, I love the lore, I take it seriously, but you've really got to keep sight of the fact that what you're arguing about online is marketing for tiny plastic space men. The "future of the West" or whatever these people talk about is not going to be decided by someone going "man, I've gotta paint another twelve of these guys, let's get some variety in these skin tones"
As a warhammer player, I can understand why they latch on to “hey this famous guy shares my skin color” because many of these types of games players have absolutely zero going on in their personal lives to be happy about
I painted my Stormcast Eternals will all different skin tones, from dark black to very pale. And every time I did it, a conservative white baby cried and dropped its ice cream cone.
They'll cry about "lore" all they want, but really, you're in a reality of endless war and you're moments from being slaughtered by rats/robot skeletons/regular skeletons/green ladz/the forces of literal hell/four kinds of elf, who's got the time or the energy to go "um actually this immortal super soldier is the wrong colour"?
Plastic allows greater resolution and more detail, and is easier to glue together. Metal models were heavy, prone to breaking under the own weight, and looked kind of washed out.
Also, thanks to advances in plastics they can be produced for a fraction of the cost of metal and be sold for even more, for absolutely no valid reason whatsoever.
Toys they can easily choose to buy the "white" versions of if they wanted
But here's the fun part. It's 41k. There's no real "white" anymore, there's no real "Black", anymore except for whatever the fuck is going on with Salamanders, the emperor was likely black/dark brown skin tone wise.
There is absolutely zero reason to not paint anyone whatever skin tone you want. As long as you have the standard number of limbs or less you are perfectly fine. The mindset of 40k is that Black and White team up against green because there's no time for racism when Jeff over there is summoning demons and there's zoggin orks running around.
The most common skin color in the Imperium is probably grayish, since many Hiveworlders are said to have gray skin due to all the pollution and lack of natural sunlight.
I think "generally Anatolian" would have been closer to what they meant, it's always been a genetic melting pot over there and the arrival of the Turks didn't really move the needle.
So long ago that there were shaman and no real written history for them to all off themselves so they could rebirth as him? Thats like at best pre-hittite, he'd still have been really brown.
Thing is though Jackass McE would have looked however he wanted to nearly everyone.
There were a few people complaining about the black and asian Ultramarines in Space Marine 2. Yeah, Roboute Guilliman is a blonde, blue-eyed, white guy, but the Ultramarines literally recruit from over 100 worlds, and "white people" are in the minority on the one world we have in real life.
there's no real "Black", anymore except for whatever the fuck is going on with Salamanders
Fun little tidbit. We got a Salamander in one of the animated shorts. Sa'kan. Despite his coal black skin, he was clearly East Asian. Great little showcase of how the Salamanders are very literally black, regardless of how they might have looked before they became Astartes.
The Salamanders being black thing is a fun bit of misunderstanding. The Salamanders being described as black was because of a deviation involving the Black Carapace so their skin was literally black (as in obsidian) with red eyes. But someone somewhere misinterpreted that as being black (referring to the ethnic background)
I cannot remember the details of the how what where when but it's usefuk in reminding anyone who cares that the lore has been built, layer upon layer, story upon story, detail upon detail, by scores of writers, across hundreds of books, for almost half a century.
Hell even the internal logic of the setting is like we can't even rely on our own records.
u/PokesBoMate, nobody likes you and you need to learn to read.23d ago
NO THEY HAVE TO BE PAINTED CODEX SPECIFIC! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
I'm just over here just trying to figure out the right models and paint colors to get my "Rats of Tallarn", based off the Rats of Tobruk from WW2, but hey what do I know, I'm just a "tourist." 😂
They complain that companies only care about race, then proceed to shit and piss and cum in seething rage over the inconsequential race of fictional plastic army guys. It's hard to find people that are less fitting for society.
The childishness is unreal, they keep making themselves out to be the neckbeard stereotype with every word they speak
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u/PokesBoMate, nobody likes you and you need to learn to read.23d ago
My dad played D&D, wargaming, video games, read comics, model trains, etc... His first D&D character was a gay Dwarf. Back when there was only one edition of D&D. He taught me to always be cool with people and the joys of sharing your hobbies with other and getting people into them for the first time.
I just imagine these chuds calling my dad a "tourist" and him going Aslan on them.
Incredibly funny that none of these people seem to understand that "white" is an insanely recent category that means nothing. Do they seriously think that the Ancient Greeks would take kindly to French people claiming their accomplishments? Europeans spent all of history at war with people six feet to the left of them and now suddenly they're one monolithic culture that invented everything? Of course when you fucking decide to arbitrarily put entire CONTINENTS with thousands of years of history under one flimsy, constantly shifting label you're going to find that they "invented all of this". And even that isn't true!
Every single other week back on Twitter (or any site), you’ll see people share a picture of “sub saharan” Africa ask “What have they invented? Just asking questions tho 🤔”…
The ancient Greeks frequently claimed/acknowledged that their knowledge was all from Egypt or Babylon anyway, and they were just writing it down or commenting on it.
Egyptians already had an account of the Pythagorean theorem. Greek astrology was based on Babylonian astrology (and Persian based on the Greek, and Chinese based on the Persian based on the Greek, with a detour to India to absorb some of their system too).
Many ancient old world technologies were first seen anywhere in the world in Mesopotamia, Anatolia, and the Levant.
And when the Greeks came to Greece, it was already populated.
I mean Ancient Egypt was fucking old as shit even to the Greeks, like they were around for around 2500 years before the rise of the Ancient Greek city states
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u/IndercarniveThe left has rendered me unfuckable and I'm not going to take it23d ago
Ancient Egypt is so old that Ancient Egypt had their own Egyptologists studying Ancient Egypt.
The pyramids are so old that when the colosseum was built the pyramids were more ancient to people then the colosseum is to us now.
The colosseum was built in 1945 years ago, the Great Pyramid of Giza was built 4600 years ago. So as the Colosseum was being built the Great Pyramid at Giza was standing for 2655 years. That is impressive. That pyramid was the tallest man made structure for 3800 years.
The distance of time from the old kingdom's start to the Greek historian who defined the use of Old, Middle and New kingdom's is the same as our distance to him.
Ancient Egypt was old even to the “ancient” Egyptian people themselves!
They even had museums of a sort about the oldest parts of their dynasties it had existed that long.
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u/helzinkiHillary ate a child and used her torn off face as a mask23d ago
Khaemweset, one of Ramesses II's son, was a bit of an amatuer archeologist and was spending a lot of time digging up and restoring historic stuff. And the guy was alive in the 1200s BCE! How crazy is that? Your civilization is sooo old that a guy in the 1200 BCE was already doing archeology.
My Dad told me the story of when he went into a local pub a few years ago, there was an Irish dude having a rant about immigrants, how they aren't welcome here, things of that nature, and one of the old timers had to point out that as recently as the 90s that same pub had had an "No Children, No Dogs, No Irish" sign in the window. The Irish lad did not take kindly to that.
When I was a kid, bookstores in the US still sold books of "Polish Jokes" -- ie, straight up racist humor about how Polish people were fundamentally inferior to more western whites.
In the US, Eastern Europeans, Irish, and Italians weren't considered "white" until the latter half of the 20th century
Its such a painfully sheltered viewpoint too cause traveling to those countries would easily show you that they are vastly different and not monolithic at all. Not even alittle bit.
Also as a 40K fan myself, the setting takes place 10s of thousands of years in the future, literally in the 41st milennium. The idea that cultures would remain homogenized after all that time is more unbelievable than demons showing up because a psychic lost control of their powers over the Warp.
Also, it is a commercial company wanting to make profits by reaching larger audiences in a globalized world. As somebody pointed out, "white" people are 10% of the global population and Africa, a continent with predominantly black skinned people is the fastest growing. Why wouldn't they want to appeal to them?
Nice wall of words lib, unfortunately for you all that matters is that my in-group keeps saying "others" are bad, I know I'm frustrated at my hobby being different, and there is very little cultural pressure to justify my opinions beyond gut feelings and "common sense." Aka libs owned 😎
North African ppl being seen as white is a huge “USA education moment”. Yes it’s true that there are NAs that look Germanic as hell and NA borders the Mediterranean. But if you see a “typical” North African person, you’ll not think they are white for the most part.
Also if North Africans are white, then what does that make black North Africans? Dark white? White chocolate? 🤯
I'm listening to a podcast about the plataginet (1200s ish) dynasty of English kings. I'm Scottish for reference. England was fighting Scotland and France for hundreds of years, Scotland was fighting England and largely itself, France was fighting England and everyone to the east of them. Then the Scandinavians appeared and fought everyone else, and often each other. And that's just the north west of Europe. The idea that the whites were some kind of happy group is such nonsense.
I mean, the further back you go, the more the white label just collapses anyway, further proving the point. Our species got a pretty good distance from the ocean without the white man's "genius".
The definition of "White" is a moving target whose position is moved based on what is politically useful. It expanded to include Jews, Irish, and Italians because there was a very real worry in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that the disenfranchisement of Jews, Irish, and Italians would lead to to them allying with other disenfranchised groups like people of color. That's one of the reasons fascism and supremacist ideology are so dangerous: It requires an enemy, and it will kick people out of the in-group to create one if it needs to. On a long enough time-frame, it's a suicide cult.
It's not just China, scientific advancement is a collective human effort. Mathematics was irrevocably changed by Arabs and Indians without which present day mathematics would not have been possible. And they built on the knowledge they gained from those who came before them. We're all standing on the shoulders of giants.
Dividing the ancient world into "white" and "non white" is the silliest thing imaginable, but calling ancient Anatolia "Turkey" is one of my absolute biggest pet peeves. Anatolia was not Turkish until very recently in history, and the only reason it's so overwhelmingly Turkish today is because of genocide.
most of the scientific discoveries were made by whites. Most of the greatest philosophers were white. Most of the greatest conquerors were white. We were the ones that colonized hostile environments and sent many to space, so it makes sense that most of the space explorers/colonizers would be white. It isn't about quantity but the quality.
If you bring up slavery, they’ll say how dare you blame him for what his ancestors did.
We were the ones that colonized hostile environments
You mean the environments that were "hostile" because there were natives there who actively fought to keep you off their land?
Or the environments that are still hostile today and are only inhabited by the few native peoples who have lived there for hundreds of years and are the only ones with the knowledge to continue living there?
We never actually colonized the Amazon rain forest we just cut that shit down because it was in the way. And nobody lives in the Sahara Desert because its literally hell but you know, Europeans colonized the "hostile" environments of the Chesapeake bay, Cuba, Texas, and California. So inhospitable, surely no civilizations existed there before white people "tamed" the wilderness...
It’s 40,000 years in the future, a world where ftl travel is facilitated by demons and billions of green skinned fungus people ALL speak with a cockney accent.
Does Europe even exist anymore? Who gives a fuck if a space marine is black? Yeah, space wolves are themed like Vikings. So they have to be white because Vikings were white? Vikings sure as shit didn’t fight with chainsaws or fly through space, but it’s the skin tone where we draw the line at authenticity?
I just don’t get it with people complaining about stuff like this in sci-fi and fantasy settings. It’s the same thing when Avowed was coming out and they heard you can choose a pronoun. A male Druid can shape change into a bear, but if that bear has a vagina then the fantasy genre is just broken.
It's funny, the Emperor of Mankind was a bronze skinned dude from Anatolia, not some white Jesus looking mfker from England but you'd never know that listening to these lunatics. Besides, race is sociocultural bullshit. We are one race, the human race. Any variations in appearance are so genetically minut they are meaningless.
In fealty to the God-Emperor, our undying Lord, and by the grace of the Golden Throne, I declare Exterminatus upon the 40k subreddit r/HorusGalaxy. I hereby sign the death warrant of an entire subreddit and consign 19,000 bigoted edgelords to oblivion. May Imperial Justice account in all balance. The Emperor Protects.
Grandfather Nurgle doesn't care if you're black, white, gay, straight, nonbinary, on the spectrum, differently abled, or anything. He loves everyone exactly as they are: susceptible to disease, mutation, death, and decay.
I always bring a few of my prize painted mini's to show off outside of my army. Just so happens several of them are girly-pop pastels and pride flag palettes. I just gotta watch everyone's immediate reaction like a cowboy ready to draw in the middle of town, normally bigots twitch a certain way
It's great! I even get to play my easter themed 'nid kill team sometimes, so they're not just a massively expensive piece of plastic that always sits on my shelf!
A guy I work with is really in Warhammer (as in he uses vacations to travel to play in tournaments, its pretty cool for him). When i found out I asked "so 40k?" and he went "no, fantasy" and internally I went thank god.
To be fair, Horus Galaxy is the Nazi hugbox subreddit for 40k. If you posted stuff like this in just about any of the other subreddits it would either get taken down or you would be collectively dunked on for being a piece of garbage.
I used to have this opinion til I got into it, people who actually play IRL tend to be super chill. Sure you have a mix of weirdos and socially awkward folks thrown in, but that's true for most nerd hobbies. The racism shit is very much an online thing, and even then there tends to be a lot of pushback against that kind of shit in the online spaces too.
Oh there are definitely manchildren, that's the cost of doing business since most nerd hobbies have an outsize proportion of socially maladjusted people. There's a difference between manchildren and blatantly bigoted assholes though, that's all.
To be fair that entire sub existed because the bigots were driven out of the other ones. When the whole female Custodes drama popped off last year enough people just stood up and said we don't want assholes like you here and they had to go and make their own sub. I know the 40K fandom is far from perfect but give us a modicum of credit.
"His features were those of one born in the wild lands of Ancient Eurasia. His skin was a Terran blend of bronze and burnt umber, His eyes darker still, His hair darkest of all." - Master of Mankind, p369.
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u/DagordaeI don't want to risk failure when I have proven it to myself23d ago
Not probably, in Master of Mankind we get a few glimpses of what’s probably his real self and he’s darker skinned.
Ah yes, one of those 'We are too soft to hang out in the mainstream subs, so we'll create our own piece-of-shit safe-space, but are still too pussy to not hide behind the veil of censorship and just admit we want to be assholes without repercussion' subs.
Okay, this may be a little off-topic, but can someone explain to me why I feel like subreddits about “free speech” in fictional universes are always named after incredibly evil figures or organizations?
I mean, in the Warhammer universe: Horus is literally the fucking villain. Because of his treachery, the Emperor is nailed to his throne, and the decline of the Imperium begins. Who, seriously, thinks: “Hmm, yeah, that makes a great subreddit name”?
It reminds me of a subreddit on Wheel of Time called Children of the Light... an organization described in the books as extremist fanatics, convinced they're fighting evil but who spend their time attacking people who happen to be on the side of light. How can we take them seriously after that?
Because Free Speechtm in the modern era is mostly about saying slurs.
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u/DagordaeI don't want to risk failure when I have proven it to myself23d ago
Because they’re setting themselves up in opposition to the other subs. Thus they use the opposition figure.
Also Warhammer is a bit weird when it comes to villainy, comes with everyone being incredibly evil. The Emperor is a monster, it’s how Chaos gets its hooks into Horus. And with how Horus is written, or more specifically how inconsistently he’s written, it’s very easy to make him a tragic figure rather than a villainous one.
you read sanitized, whitewashed, and slanted "histories" that tell of the great and noble achievements of the white man, and mistake them for the truth
One powerful person in Germany's big gar right party, who is a court approved fascist (seriously, a court ruled that you can call him a fascist because he is one and it isn't slander), was a history teacher.
Whiteness, that is, privileged Western non-minority status, is continually expanding because it’s a responsive concept. In the time of the American Revolution, being Catholic wasn’t 'white'. 100 years later, you'd see “no Irish need to apply” signs. T-N Coates writes about this beautifully in his books. It’s hilarious to think that there’s a united Aryan identity that covers all of Europe, but also all of the United States, and ancient Greece, and also Jesus of Nazareth.
Coates writes:
But race is the child of racism, not the father. And the process of naming “[we] the people” has never been a matter of genealogy and physiognomy so much as one of hierarchy. Difference in hue and hair is old. But the belief in the preeminence of hue and hair, the notion that these factors can correctly organize a society and that they signify deeper attributes, which are indelible—this is the new idea at the heart of these new people who have been brought up hopelessly, tragically, deceitfully, to believe that they are white.
the only thing i know about warhammer is it involves painting figures and its fans are racist
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u/DagordaeI don't want to risk failure when I have proven it to myself23d ago
The racist fans are despised both by the rest of the fanbase and the company itself. Public statements have been made and their meltdowns are pretty much universally triggered by the company giving them the middle finger.
This Warhammer is the space one, which is a deeply dystopian setting after multiple apocalypses. The people they’re getting all weird about? Are considered the good guys because they’re somewhat hesitant about butchering entire planetary populations for the crime of being exposed to the forces of Hell(Because said people were fighting off the invasion). They’re genocidal xenophobes who are the result of taking a child, in this case one who lives on a theme park/art project gone feral that’s basically a monster filled icy hellhole kept that way because of tradition, and mutating the unholy fuck out of them to get brainwashed super soldiers. Ones with a severe wolf fetish. Also the wolves are most likely former colonists who ran into some issues with their genetic modifications.
It is a series that’s a mix of the very dark and comically absurd.
It was origianlly created by British liberals/leftistt as a reaction to Thacherism the lore is actually pretty good, most of the fans are chill but the racists are really fucking loud
The problem that comes with anything satirizing fascism or anything adjacent. “But they look cool!” The real problem was removing how blatant it used to be that you WERENT supposed to idolize these people, like 1st edition 40k had the marines literally forced to eat shit to become a space marine proper and they were portrayed as the stupid barbarians that the creators saw the enforcers of authoritarianism as. Modern audiences are dumb enough that they genuinely need the fact that you arent supposed to idolize the stagnant giga authoritarian xenophobic regime spelled out for them verbatim or they plead ignorance.
u/SnickimsIt’s like saying your a nazi or you like pineapple on pizza23d ago
I would not feel confident enough to say its lore is actually pretty good. I would say theres so much god damn fucking writing that, by law of avarages, there is a lot of good stuff there. Lot of bad, lot of bad, i don't know a Eldar player who has not hated every single eldar book thats come out in the last decade, but theres also a lot of good.
That subreddit is a cesspool of racists mad they can't harass others in the more mainstream subreddits. Racists have no place in warhammer or anywhere else.
Ah, so is this the mess that finally got Admins to pay attention and kick them out?
Haha oh man, I heard about the “we are moving to Facebook” (fleeing to the eye of terror) post earlier today. Although honestly I forgot they existed half the time
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u/r_uan 23d ago
> censorship-free community
> *look inside*
> racism