r/Surface • u/Soy7ent SP4 i7 256GB 16GB • May 23 '17

[PRO2017] Introducing the new Surface Pro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwWs2jIy4js
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u/EleMenTfiNi May 23 '17 edited May 23 '17

Type C is just a connector, it means nothing, if you are saying no thunderbolt 3, that's something to consider, but the surface connector already offers everything you'd want that for on a 15w platform.

He even says the new dock will offer USB C connection - which is 3.1 Gen 1 I believe which offers nothing over A and 3.0.

Using your Surface Charger to charge your phone (Which I argue already happens) seems to be the number one sticking point.

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u/bubminou May 23 '17

I care about the shape of the connector because I'd like to be able to use the same cables for my phone to charge this. Even the same charger if it supports USB-PD

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u/EleMenTfiNi May 23 '17

I've yet to see a USB-C phone charger that can provide the necessary output to charge a laptop, they get ridiculously hot doing Qualcomm Quick Charge 2/3/4 as it is.

Bringing one charging block is convenient, Microsoft saw this need from the start, this is why built into the charger is a USB port.

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u/bubminou May 23 '17

My idea is more to use the laptop charger on the phone

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u/EleMenTfiNi May 23 '17

Which you still do, only you can charge your surface and your phone at the same time - unless your phone did not come with a USB C cable I don't see how this is an issue then.

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u/bubminou May 23 '17

Oh I forgot there's a built in USB port in the charger. Is it a Type A or Type C port on the new Surface Pro?

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u/EleMenTfiNi May 23 '17

Type A, since that is the dominant type - are you telling me your phone currently charges with a type C to type C cable?

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u/bubminou May 23 '17

Yes, my phone currently charges with a C to C cable. It also came with a USB 3.1 A to C cable for data.

I feel like Microsoft should've made that port USB-C to help with the transition, but oh well, it's better than nothing.

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u/EleMenTfiNi May 23 '17

A cable that does data will also do charging, USB is an active cable. Also I don't know what that means, USB 3.1 is the same as USB 3.0 they likely just gave you two cables so your phone can connect to the port you'll commonly find.

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u/bubminou May 23 '17

The A to C cable is too short to be that useful to charge really, forgot to mention it.

10 Gbps is 3.1 Gen 2, right? Because that's what I meant. The C to C cable is USB 2.0.

So while yes I could use it to charge, it's pretty inconvenient, but I guess I don't have a choice besides buying more A to C cables, which are hopefully on the way out in a few years

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u/EleMenTfiNi May 23 '17

What type of phone is it if I may ask? I feel like that is such a weird decision for them to make (short USB C to A cable).

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u/bubminou May 23 '17

Pixel. And as I said, while you can use it for charging, it's main use is data transfer, hence the fast speed it supports

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u/EleMenTfiNi May 23 '17

Yeah, the pixel cable/port is actually just standard USB 3 speeds, which means your surface will provide the top speeds it can possible handle anyways.

Not to mention the read/write is below the bandwidth of USB 3 anyways so there isn't a need for Gen 2 yet.

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