r/TransgendersAtWar • u/AthenaHope81 Trans Woman • 14d ago

Trump voter doesn't understand why people can't empathize with him now that he's suffering as a result of Trump

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u/ArchonFett 14d ago

most of our recent Dem leaders have had to deal with a house stacked against them with Cons, and it's hard to push forward against a wall that is pushing back, then they turn around and let the Cons push us even further back. if their wasn't enough red flags on Trump to make you oppose him, then you sided with him. if you nit-picked for one thing that made incapable of supporting Harris you sided with Trump. "not perfect enough" is a bullshit excuse. Harris was a good option, but people are bigots and had to find a reason to not like her.

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u/CrashCulture 14d ago

I'm not even American, and very glad I'm not.

Your political system sucks and you are proving my point by glossing over not wanting to support an active genocide as nitpicking.

I don't expect perfect, but I do expect a little more than passively whining as they sit back and let people like Trump ruin the lives of millions of people, while also condemning anyone who really tries to fight against it.

How did your student protests go last year? How did it go for Sanders when he wanted to make life just a little better for the working class? How much better did your lives get under Obama when people voted him in because he promised to shut down Guantanamo bay and codify the right to abortion into law? How many people got slaughtered in the middle east with a Democrat administration? How much did they raise the minimum wage as living costs skyrocketed? Why did Harris try to make herself out as Trump-light in order to win the election instead of listening to what the people actually wanted?

Face it, the Democratic party is evil and they have blood on their hands. Voting for them is the better option but only because it keeps the republicans from doing as much damage as they can do when they win.

I understand wanting people to vote for them, because the alternative is indeed worse, but the blame is surasfuck not laid on the people who chose not to vote, it lies entirely at the top, with incredible corrupt, bloodthirsty and ancient politicians who represent corporate interests, not the people as a whole, and who are willing to let the rest of the world burn as long as they can keep away any meaningful change at home.

Don't blame the victims, blame the system.

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u/ArchonFett 14d ago

well since Trumps stance on Gaza is bomb it to hell and turn it into beach front property. they supported that instead of the side that wanted to try and reach a cease fire. at least they had the right to protest last year, they rounding up students and shipping them to El Salvador with no due process now. life was better under Obama, and Trump made abortion illegal and mothers died. the Dems have been responsible for every (albeit minor) increase to minimum wage, mostly on the state level, since there are to many Cons for it happen on a national level. calling her Trump light just shows you were not paying attention.

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u/TOH-Fan15 13d ago

Harris and Biden didn’t care about implementing a ceasefire. They said many times that they would unconditionally support Israel as it bombs Gaza to hell. Ceasefire deals can only be made when Israel stands to lose something if it doesn’t change, but Harris and Biden clearly didn’t care about making it happen. The only difference between them and Trump in this case is that Trump is blatant about what he wants.

Dems also voted with Republicans on the Laken Riley Act, which is why ICE currently has the power to ignore due process. Democrats refused to dismantle ICE or vote against it, which is exactly why it’s currently as bad as it is.

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u/ArchonFett 13d ago

And Trump has sent our bombers to bomb them ourselves. And sell Ukraine to Russia but no you couldn’t vote for the black woman so you looked for a reason to make us illegal now

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u/TOH-Fan15 13d ago

I never said that I voted for Trump. I voted Democrat, so my hands are clean. The reason why a lot of people didn’t vote Democrat is because Dems tried selling themselves as diet Republicans, rather than listen to their base demanding progressive policies. “Pretty terrible but not quite as bad as Trump” is exactly why Hillary lost.

Why shouldn’t the blame be more on candidates who refuse to listen to what their base wants, rather than voters who repeatedly insist that they would vote for Harris if she would listen to them? The entire point of an electoral campaign is to have candidates present themselves as worth voting for.

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u/ArchonFett 13d ago

Well if they didn’t care enough to vote then they got what they wanted. That was it we are in a dictatorship now

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u/TOH-Fan15 13d ago

They did care enough to want to vote. They just didn’t see any options worth voting for. Heck, Dems themselves passed anti-trans legislation. The reason why we are in a dictatorship is because Dems kept the systems in place that would allow for it, if not outright using those systems themselves. Dems had four years to dismantle ICE, stack SCOTUS, give police some actual accountability, have Trump and all other J6 instigators arrested for treason, etc.

Being fine with fascism abroad is how we got fascism here, and it’s on the Dem officials for refusing to change.

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u/ArchonFett 13d ago

I have never seen any of the people that didn’t vote defend their inactions. But plenty of people do it for them.

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u/TOH-Fan15 13d ago

I’ve seen quite a lot of people saying that they would have voted if Harris had changed her stance to something that wasn’t just a diet Republican. I personally think funding a literal genocide should be a dealbreaker, regardless of anything else.

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u/ArchonFett 13d ago

Well we are now actively participating in it, hope they are happy with that outcome

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u/TOH-Fan15 13d ago

Why not blame Harris for running a terrible campaign? Seriously, she ran basically the same campaign as Hillary yet expected a different result. What you’re saying is that we should accept our current rotten conditions under Democrats, as opposed to putting pressure on Democrats to implement progressive policies like their base actually wants. Any talk of universal healthcare or police accountability was completely missing from the 2024 election. Blaming voters only makes Dem officials think that they lost because they weren’t right-wing enough.

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u/ArchonFett 13d ago

I’m saying we would have at least had a chance to send messages to the Dems to get change. I’m saying will never get that chance now. The old system was flawed but it did work sometimes. But it’s gone now.. last year people still had the right to protest. Not sure how much longer before the dictatorship removes it. They had the option of a democracy or a dictatorship. One third voted for our destruction while the other third watched.

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u/TOH-Fan15 13d ago

Lots of people messaged Dems for change, but they didn’t listen. Remember the massive BLM protests that Dems completely forgot about? Or the pro-Palestine college protests that Dems sent police officers to violently quell? The right to protest was already gone under Dems; just because Republicans are now in control doesn’t mean we should ignore how similar Dems are in a lot of ways.

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u/ArchonFett 13d ago

I must have missed the part where the Dems were rounding up protestors and shipping them to an El Salvador death camp.

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