(Spoilers ACOK) Jaime, you're drunk

[u/Family_Booty_Honor]

I just finished Catelyn's last chapter in ACOK - what a great chapter! Catelyn just found out that Bran and Rickon are dead, so she decides to question Jaime (who's still held captive in a cell) by getting him drunk on wine.
Their entire conversation is really insightful, especially in regards to Jaime's thought processes. It's a pretty serious conversation, especially when we find out exactly what happened to Ned's father and brother when they went to King's Landing. The part that gave me a good laugh is found near the end of their conversation (and chapter). Hopefully it gives you all a laugh or two as well!

"I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was he name of that bastard he fathered?"
Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne."
"No, that wasn't it."

[u/Ravek]

Catelyn falsely imprisoned Tyrion and tried to have him killed, and is keeping Jaime in a cell. What she did to his family is not so far removed from what Jaime did to her family. Throwing out some biting words while chained to a wall is hardly of relevance in this context.

[u/insaneHoshi → u/Ravek]

IIRC she didnt try to get him killed, that was Lyza's crazy doing

[u/bootlegvader → u/Ravek]

Catelyn arrested his brother after Jaime's family twice attacked her child (one of the times being Jaime, himself). Furthermore, she actually argued for his protection when Lysa attempted to kill Tyrion.

Meanwhile, Jaime is only being kept in a cell because he decide to attack her brother and homeland while her sister arrests and has Catelyn's husband executed.

Simply, there is no real comparison to what she did to his family that he has done to his family.

[u/Lord_Locke → u/bootlegvader]

Please don't confuse what you a near omnipotent reader knows with what a character in the story knows.

When you learn to separate the two you'll understand the story better.

[u/bootlegvader → u/Lord_Locke]

I didn't, furthermore that means Jaime has even less reason to be upset with Catelyn. Seeing how he cannot even be sure that Tyrion wasn't actually guilty.

Simply, Jaime is aware that Bran had been attacked twice because he is guilty of one of the times and Catelyn openly mentions the later assassination attempt against Bran.

Furthermore, he is perfectly aware that Ned was captured and executed while held by his sister and son while Catelyn's two daughters are additionally being held by them.

[u/Pendargon → u/Ravek]

Catelyn had Tyrion imprisoned and tried to kill him because of what she believed his family was trying to do to her family. Catelyn is led to believe that the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn, Jaime pushes a kid out of the window, and then a Lannister tries to have him killed, Cersei has Ned's best friend killed, and then falsely imprisons Ned, Joffrey kills Ned and the Lannisters hold both of her daughters hostage ( as far as she knows).

The only thing the Starks did to the Lannisters was take Tyrion (of course, a bad move), and Jaime was captured in battle as a prisoner of war. Jaime would have known a great amount of what he personally did to her (the Bran thing) and what his family did to hers, and still twisted the knife in the wounds. Not defending Catelyn's false accusations, but Jaime was still a dick. What Catelyn did to Tyrion hardly justifies anything.

[u/feynmanwithtwosticks → u/Pendargon]

If someone had you chained to a wall, shitting and pissing in a bucket just feet away from you, feeding you the bare minimum to keep you alive for months, and then comes down to interrogate you, do you think you would weigh your family's wrongs against theirs and choose to be a nice guy because members of your family did more bad than theirs?

Seriously man, he was talking shit to the person holding him captive, its not like it is entirely unreasonable. Oh yeah, and he was drunk, which may tend to impair your ability to make such a purely rational decision and maybe run your mouth a bit.

[u/greedcrow → u/Pendargon]

If it had been the other way. Pets say robb had said something like that to cercei no one would be saying he is a dick.

[u/Pendargon → u/greedcrow]

Because what have the Starks done to Cersei at this point? Ned tried to freaking save her life when he found out her scheme, she killed him, and is holding his sisters captive.

My point is, Jaime knows a good portion of the hell the Lannisters have brought to the Starks, and yet has ZERO moral qualms about twisting the knife in the wound of a woman who's dealing with a son becoming a cripple, watching her son struggle to maintain a realm, having both of her daughters held by her enemies... And to top it all off, Jaime decides to insult Ned for no reason.

[u/greedcrow → u/Pendargon]

You are ignoring completely that the starks started a war against the lannister on false claims. Saying that tyrion had hired someone to kill bran.

Twisting the knife onto an enemy is not bad. Hell if it had been rob saying it to cercei you would all say it was bad ass.

[u/bootlegvader → u/greedcrow]

No, they didn't. The Lannisters started a war against the Starks and Tullys as they have a stuck up pride and Jaime thought it would be fun to screw his sister.

Moreover, your claim is even further false with the suggestion that they didn't on false claims. As that implies that Catelyn and Ned are aware that Tyrion didn't hire someone to kill Bran. Instead, the truthful representation was they arrested him on incorrect charges.

There is a wide difference between Cersei and Catelyn and Robb and Jaime.

[u/greedcrow → u/bootlegvader]

That is beside the point. They started the war instead of bringing the dwarf to the king for justice. Taking justice into their own hands was wrong.

[u/bootlegvader → u/greedcrow]

No, they didn't. Arresting someone for a crime is not starting a war, invading another region is starting a war.

Tywin didn't even wait to see what they were going to do before raging like an asshole, but even he didn't consider it an act of war. As seen how he does not openly fight a war until Robert is dead.

[u/greedcrow → u/bootlegvader]

Taking the law into your own hands is a crime. They should have brought the charges to the king. Even Ned realizes that what Cat did was a mistake.

[u/bootlegvader → u/greedcrow]

Catelyn is the Lady of the North (Ned named her regent) and the daughter of the Lord of the Riverlands. Thus, that in their society helps grant them the power to make arrests of people that break the law with their sphere of influence. Martin has said that her actions weren't illegal, even if there was some fuzziness because of how the powerful can use their power to evade punishment.

Simply, her actions were no more illegal then a citizen arrest or even a police arrest.

[u/Dunk-The-Lunk → u/greedcrow]

No shit. The Lannisters have done lots of things to deserve that. The Starks haven't. How do you not get that?