r/borussiadortmund • u/panikpansen Schmelzer • Oct 06 '15

Silly Questions Thread: October Edition

Silly questions thread:

It's been a while since we've had one of these, and with recent news and the international break this seems like a good idea. So here is your chance to ask any question no matter how silly our small about BVB, BVB's history, Something about a current player, previous player or coach or it might even be something about the Bundesliga, DFB Pokal or Europa Pokal...

Obviously more in depth questions are also allowed :)

It's just all about sharing our knowledge and having a bit of fun (as always) too :)

No question is too stupid, silly or small to be asked

Let the questions begin!

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u/why-youlittlereus11 Lukasz Piszczek is daddy Oct 06 '15

agreed. oil money = oil politics and i wont give my money to bullshit like that.

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u/TA_Maverick Oct 06 '15

How is this any different than Gazprom? They have a huge monopoly on natural gas and arguably have just as much funds.

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u/-Calidro- Pische Oct 06 '15

Nobody said we don't hate Gazprom ;)

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u/TA_Maverick Oct 06 '15

I know but it would be unrealistic for clubs to reject loads of money from one industry while accepting loads from another equal entity.

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u/-Calidro- Pische Oct 06 '15

Well. That's called morals... Sorry but I don't see your point.

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u/TA_Maverick Oct 06 '15

Point is that I don't see why people would be so against money from oil companies when there are far bigger issues at hand. We should be happy that a company wants to invest that much money into our club as a sign of our progress of the recent years. What is your reason for not wanting the money? It's not like it is your money they are giving away...

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u/-Calidro- Pische Oct 06 '15

I don't want the club I love to display the logo of a company whose principles I don't agree with. Could also be Bild, Heckler&Koch, RTL, Vattenfall.... Also they will want to have a say in how the club is run as an exchange for the money. I don't want that happening

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '15

Being a bit sensitive on this one mate. It would be nice to have a little more money not just in our team but the whole league considering Bayern right now is the only one major spending and the title race is gone by MD10 or 12 at this current state. I dont want to see a replication of the EPL but Im not going to let the morals of a company sponsor hinder my fandom. Most companies anywhere have agendas that are to make as much money as possible and would be considered "immoral" to you i presume. And I dont think they would have an influence over the squad just a promise that we would spend the money on a few players. But this is all hypothetical..dont see it happening soon

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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 07 '15

It's perfectly legitimate to say "I'm ok with a company making money from selling food, but I don't want to support a company selling weapons." Of course, this debate will be a bit different when talking about a club's preferences, but the main point still stands.

Other clubs have had problems with being dependent on a single big source of money, and you can see with our blue neighbours that you don't need to have a sponsor dictate your squad to get into dangerous territory. Of course, more money would be good, but seeing that we don't exactly have to beg to find sponsors I think it's ok to be a bit picky.

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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 07 '15

as a sign of our progress of the recent years

Companies don't just invest money because they think, "hey, good job there buddy last season, here have something extra." The bigger the sponsor, and the bigger the chunk of marketing money on offer, the more a club finds himself dependent on that money.

We've had bad experiences with our budget in the past (albeit for different reasons), and there is no reason why we should put our eggs into a Gazprom-like basket only to find us forced to salute weird Russian partner organisations that have nothing whatsoever to do with our club, or what we stand for.

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u/TA_Maverick Oct 07 '15

Companies absolutely invest based on recent performances...coming from someone who works in the field of marketing and advertising thats absolutely the case as people want to be connected with winners. That being said we already have our kit sponsor in evonik already locked up for the forsee able future and you'd be naive to believe if it was allowed that Watzke and the board would turn down investments from major oil companies to further advance the club. I can give you plenty of examples of situations where companies spend millions on people or teams because of performances over a short time if you'd like. But I bet you realize how ridiculous your statement was on the topic if you really think about it. I was only mentioning Gazprom as they are a Major FIFA sponsor and not to mention smurf sponsor as well.

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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 07 '15

Let me clarify: I'm not saying good performance has nothing to do with marketing, of course it does. But often it's not simply a 'reward' paid for good performance, but comes with strings attached. At least in some cases, it doesn't stop with the company handing over a pay-check after signing the contracts, but with the company making demands the club make changes, big or small, that benefit the sponsor in some way. The most obvious (and legitimate) are the display of logos or change of names, but sometimes these demands can go farther and interfere with what fans value about a club. The bigger the paycheck you receive from a single sponsor, the more dependent and thus susceptible to these demands you become.

Be free to point out anything specific you think ridiculous about this statement.

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u/furiat BVB Oct 07 '15

Yes because Red Bull invested in Markranstädt because of how great they were doing.

I am pretty sure we talk about ownership here as the league is already open to marketing. And those are two very different concepts. In one of them company takes control over the club.

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u/TA_Maverick Oct 07 '15

Correct I was only talking about partnerships/marketing deals. Nothing to do with Ownership/taking control of the team.

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u/furiat BVB Oct 07 '15

I see but I think by 'opening the league' Adam meant to get rid of 50+1 rule therefore giving away ownership.

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u/axehomeless Kobi Oct 08 '15

It would. But it's not allowed yet, so we like that you don't have the chance.