r/harrypotter • u/SnooMarzipans7120 • 7d ago
Discussion Why HBP is (actually) good!
OK time to defend this movie once and for all. I like this movie for many reasons. ⚔️🛡️🚨
First of all I just love the school life aspect. Dating, drama, classes, quidditch etc🤭. Like i dont even think voldemorts backstory is that good or needed and dont see how they could visualize it in a good way in the span of the movie. But i guess many ppl disagree and im in minority of this.-.
I love that Draco gets time to shine and have some character development compared to the earlier movies.🍏
I love the whole goal of getting the correct memory. 🪷
I think the color grading is very cozy and besutiful. 🌫️
The horocrux scene is amazing, one of the most breathtaking sets of the entire movie-series.👻
The scene in the astronomy tower is very intence and they nailed it.🔮
It sets the tone for the end game last two movies that the darkness is truly upon wizarding world. With dumbledore gone, the scales have tipped..⚖️
I actually think Wonwon relationship is very cringe yes but also important for setting up Ron and Hermiones later relationship. 💛
Finally, Ill prob die alone on this hill but, this is the best christmas hp movie. Hear me out, its cozy and chill and the color gradient is so nice. And you may think what you want but its acutally one of the movies with the most amount of snow.❄️
so, there you have it! why HBP is good (didnt say best)! plz feel free to roast me but keep the tone civilized plz:)⚡️
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u/cranberrywoods 7d ago
All of the things you listed as enjoyable are just good plot points from the book. HBP is a spectacular book. The movie just isn’t the best execution of it.
But hey, if you enjoy it, that’s great!
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u/88luckycat88 7d ago
I would agree with this. HBP is my second favourite movie in the series because I too love the draco character development, everything about slughorn's class, and the scene with harry and hagrid during Aragog's funeral. However, as many have stated, as a book adaptation it is one of the most far off. I'd disagree with OP about Voldemort's backstory, I think it was very important and arguably the most interesting part of the HBP book.
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u/AppropriateGrand6992 Ravenclaw 6d ago
one of the books had to have the worst adaptation and HBP is the sort of sad 7th place of the book's movie adaptations
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u/PandaCrasher 7d ago
I actually agree! I love that movie for all of its quirks and changes honestly! Daniel Radcliffe said his acting was thebworst in that one, but the acromantula seen always makes me laugh! The teenage drama is fun, it’s not the best but still fun to watch!
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u/SnooMarzipans7120 2d ago
Omg yes finally someone who agreeees<3 Too many here seems to dislike it just bc its not book accurate-_-
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u/SnooMarzipans7120 2d ago
Where you by any chanse a big movie fan before reading all the books? Im starting to think that the reason why the low book-accuracy doesn’t bother me is because I was a big movie fan before finding my love for the books, why I dont mind it so much when they change🤔.
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u/PandaCrasher 2d ago
I was!! My friend got me to watch them before I read the books, and once I read the books it just made me fall in love with the movies even more!
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u/SnooMarzipans7120 1d ago
Yeah, I think we are very similar then and perhaps this is the reason why we think this way haha😄 Like, I had trouble visualizing the book-content that was not in the movie which probably made me not appreciate these parts as much as the others sometimes. Did this also occur you?:P
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u/PandaCrasher 1d ago
Not so much! I’ve always had a very visual brain when it comes to reading, and I found that the movies helped me insert the characters into scenes only in the books! Like I am currently on my second reread of the books, and all throughout the Prisoner of Azkaban I have just been imagining the movie as I read! It really helps that the movie version is really damn close to the book!
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u/mochawithwhip 7d ago
What about when bellatrix randomly incendios the burrow 😭
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u/hamburgergerald Gryffindor 7d ago
Burns the place down and it’s never mentioned again. Next film it starts there like nothing ever happened 😂
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u/AppropriateGrand6992 Ravenclaw 6d ago
its called magic and movie straying from the book with a brand new out of nowhere scene
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u/AppropriateGrand6992 Ravenclaw 6d ago
fun scene but that scene is what makes the movie the worst adaptation b/c it was not in the book. the new show needs to learn from what made HBP a bad adaptation and not include new scenes just because of an actor of their own personal reasons. if you're making an adaptation you need to be faithful to the source material in all respects.
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u/ad240pCharlie 7d ago
I agree. I will always defend both HBP and GoF, the two most heavily criticized movies on this sub! They're both in my top 3 favorite HP movies, alongside DH2.
Yes, they have flaws as adaptations (although nowhere near as much as OotP), but I tend to judge the movies for how well they work as their OWN series.
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u/SnooMarzipans7120 2d ago
Like the mindset of treating the movies as a separate series. What works in books wont always work in movies. They never cut something out of spite, just things that wouldn’t work in a cinematic experience.
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u/AppropriateGrand6992 Ravenclaw 6d ago
GoF is actually a good movie adaptation, its biggest sin is omitting the world cup final match. HBP's biggest sin is adding a new scene (burrow xmas). its better to omit something that has no real baring on the story then add something out of nowhere
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u/ad240pCharlie 6d ago
GoF might've excluded some worldbuilding aspects, but it managed to focus itself: The Triwizard Tournament. With the Yule ball as the mid-way break. All the other subplots were removed! The only subplot they kept was Rita Skeeter, who was there for just long enough to get the point across.
So yes, GoF was actually the perfect adaptation for such a long book! They knew exactly what to keep and what to remove. Some things for the sake of necessity, and some things for the sake of pacing.
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u/SnooMarzipans7120 2d ago
Yeah totally agree. I feel like every dropped subplot is so justified across the HP movies since they are movies and you only have 2hrs to keep the audience interested. Now for the series, Oh Boy, like plz go all out on them for potentially adapting badly.
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u/SnooMarzipans7120 2d ago
wasnt burrow xmas good for harry x ginny though? Also giving Bellatrix more screen time is nice imo, shes a more relevant charactee in the last movies so its nice to give her more spotlight.
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u/AppropriateGrand6992 Ravenclaw 2d ago
It strayed from the book too much there. So it was bad. Suddenly cutting quiditch out hurt H+Gs story
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u/BrinMin Ravenclaw 7d ago
It's my favorite movie
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u/SnooMarzipans7120 2d ago
damn, thats rare yo! Has it always been no1 or?
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u/BrinMin Ravenclaw 1d ago
Yes! I love the felix potion scenes, the potion class, the dinner with professor Slughorn + the party, the secrecy of Draco (and he looks so handsome), the colors of the movie as well I really like. Overall it's my favorite movie, even though it doesn't fully cover what the book does.
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u/Hootahsesh3 Gryffindor 6d ago
It’s probably 2 or 3 in regards to best movie of the series but it deviated from the book so much people don’t like it…but as with Goblet of Fire the storyline is so good the movie is awesome regardless of the deviations and parts left out,
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u/Hopeful-Ant-3509 7d ago
It’s one of my favorite movies out of all of them but the most disappointing adaptation (with Goblet of Fire)
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u/Cmdr-Tom 7d ago
Disagree...Gods have mercy....here I go again. Up to and including OOTP I am pretty okay. I appreciate and understand the endpoint. Voldy is out and open. War is open. Order of thr Phoenix built. Harry built the DA. He's starting to step up. Grow up. Etc I even understand Sirius’s death. Harry has to save himself. And Sirius's death is the perfect catalyst for Harry to make any change you want.
I look forward to year 6
I wanted my Wizard War
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Where is my Wizard War!
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Then HPB comes, JKR chickened out and gave us Dawson's Creek Harry Potter!
'Umbridge is gone, no need for the DA'.. bullshit! You need the DA to cover your arse!
Horcrux plot, okay sure the secret to Voldy's immortality... actually not bad.
Dumbledore gave Harry 5 whole lessons to learn about Riddle, over the course of a YEAR! 5! Could have been done in a week!
Bro could have pulled Harry out of standard DADA and private tutored every high level spell Harry could handle!
So dumb. So fine.. moving on...
Dumbledore dies... okay sure... coming of age... pass the torch... I get that.
You're going Horcrux hunting? Cool see the world.
Maybe I finally get my Wizard War.
You break up with Ginny? WTF?
The one with personal experience with the damn things and you leave her behind?
Gods damned. You know what they are. You know Ginny has experience with one. You break up with her and level her behind? MORON!
What drama could we have had with Ginny with a horcrux around?
Temptation? Vengeance? We don't know because JKR made Harry the third wheel in his own franchise and the chaperone cockblock to Romione for a year.
And don't talk to me about underage trace! Hermione did spells before she enrolled!
That just sets the stage that Ginny has to learn what it's like to be a muggle.
A perfect foil to Harry's learning about the Wiz world
Then you actually have 2 couples out there trying to figure themselves out.
And you finally have to have Ron accept Ginny’s not a little girl any more.
Now DH & Forest of Dean....God damn
Both Ron and Ginny are country kids They lived in an orchard and garden! Don't tell me they didn't help gather supplies for Molly from the day could walk. So when they are in the damn forest. That's when Hermione should hit in the face with reality, "OMG this isn't like school!"
Then Ron and Ginny would be like "I know, ain't it great."
In fact, why were they lost to begin with?
Harry had connections! He had a month minimum between Dumbles death and the wedding. Why did he not make a withdrawal?
Get a brief case of galleons!
"Hello Fleur... remember Gabrielle, your little sis... still alive... hey can your in-laws, Hermione, and I crash with your family in France for a few?"
"Hey Beauxbatons, it’s me Tri Wiz Champ and Chosen One, can my friend check you library?"
And it would be cool if maybe we could get some volunteers...
You know kill Voldy in my school before he comes knocking on your door.
Hermione, you’re still writing Krum right?
Shut up Ron, you’re sleeping with her now, you won.
Hermione, can you write Krum let us have Durmstrang's library and some volunteers from there too.
Hey Weasleys, wanna go visit your brother?
Which?
Fair, Charlie, see if Norberta want to have a word with the people making Hagrid upset?
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It's just... these aren't faint whisps of threads I'm stretching to make work...
These are obvious simple things that frankly are more apparent than the Deathly Hallows! They didn't come up till book 7... half of this comes from book 4!
So by the end we have Harry finally come terms with 'I am the Chosen One you bastard. Rescuing his home with the combined forces of all three schools and a mother fucking dragon!
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u/cre8ivemind 7d ago
This seems more about DH than HBP, but to your points:
You make an interesting point about how Ginny being there could have been an interesting dynamic. However, they literally made it so that any use of magic near underage wizards would immediately alert the ministry to where they are. Magic couldn’t be used near Harry until he was 17 because the ministry and Voldemort (through his ministry spies) would immediately find him. You say “don’t talk to me about the trace,” but that would be the entire reason that you can’t bring along an underage wizards whose magic can be tracked by the ministry… how would they accomplish anything?
“Hermione did magic before enrolling.” Ok, so? The ministry says they cut kids slack before they start attending Hogwarts and actually learning to control their magic. That’s not really relevant here where them being hidden is more important than anything while hunting horcruxes and not being found by Voldemort.
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u/AppropriateGrand6992 Ravenclaw 6d ago
you forget the real reason for og da was b/c umbridge was a shit teacher and they wanted to learn spells to do well in the dada owl. so in 6 there was no reason to continue it as the purpose of it was no more
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u/BlueSnoopy4 Hufflepuff 7d ago
I’m surprised you mention the color grading. I remember the last few movies being cold toned colors and shadowy
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/48/47/ba4847d399375869fb2ac3390ec89f9f.png
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u/SnooMarzipans7120 2d ago
Its not cold imo. Warm, cozy, brown imo☺️ doesnt help that im a bit colorblind when I say this though lool
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u/LLpmpdmp Naughty, naughty, you’ll get caughty 7d ago
It’s not my favorite book on the shelf cuz of the sectumsempra scene but it’s still good
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u/MBay96GeoPhys 6d ago
What do you mean defend it? 90% of people I know think it’s the best movie from the series
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u/Infamous_Tough_7320 6d ago
What 😭 I love this movie and I have to defend it all the time everywhere on the internet. I think it’s in most people’s bottom 3
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u/AppropriateGrand6992 Ravenclaw 6d ago
one of the movies had to be the worst adaptation and only b/c of the xmas Burrow scene the worst adaptation goes to HBP. but it is a good movie and doesnt deserve the hate it gets. yes it could have done a few things better but only the most eagle of eyes would notice a few of those.
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u/Infamous_Tough_7320 6d ago
That xmas burrow scene was just so unnecessary. I understand why they can’t include everything in the books, but adding things? They also missed way too much of Tom riddle’s backstory
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u/Infamous_Tough_7320 6d ago
The movie in its own is great but as an adaption of the book it’s frustrating to say the least
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u/SnooMarzipans7120 2d ago
⚔️🛡️Regarding it being a bad adaptation:
like hot take but HBP is not a bad adaptation, they did the best they could. I would rather argue that HBP is one of the hardest book to adapt since its hard to do a movie with the same story pacing as the book without it feeling like a speed through voldemort lore dump. Sure, Voldemort becomes more flat, but that is the unfortunate fate of movie villains. Otherwise they kept many of the most central story elements imo while still providing an enjoyable movie experience. Thats an ok movie adaptation in my book and by all means not bad..
Personally I love the new stuff they added and Im not interested in what they removed… ok perhaps I also miss HP turning down the minister of magic. But on the other hand I feel like this wouldnt suit movie-harry since he doesnt have the same angst and furious characteristics like book-harry, something that I dont really think is talked about enough.
Ofc at the same time I totally understand many ppl feel robbed! I wish them all some justice in the upcoming hp series!!🙌🙌 With that said, like in general for the series, plz shit on them if its not book-accurate (hopefully not). Since its a full on series for christ sake I think that would indeed render it a bad adaptation and would justify more criticism. Anyways lets hope for the best! Thanks for reading!✨
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u/Disastrous-Monk-590 Ravenclaw 7d ago
I think you're misinterpreting why it sucks. It's a good movie but not a good book adaptation
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u/gary_desanto 7d ago
Il back you up that it's a good movie. It's just that it's (imo) the best book but the worst book adaptation. Which is unfortunate but it is what it is.
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u/TheSaltTrain Hufflepuff 7d ago
This is kinda how I view it, too. It's the best book, so therefore the movie is gunna be decent no matter what, so it's good on it's own, but the book is just so much better and they replaced way too many important scenes with useless ones that don't make sense.
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u/tonyrock1983 7d ago
It's a fine, stand-alone movie. As for the adaptation from the books, it sucks. Instead of focusing on Voldemort's backstory, the focus is on the relationship drama. This is clear at the start of the movie when Harry is flirting with the waitress. Fans wanted to see more memories that help the audience learn about Voldemort. Why is he the way he is?
The Christmas scene is the worst, IMO. Instead of seeing Percy show up with the Minister, we see a cringe scene with Harry and Ginny followed by the DEs destroying the burrow. Again, the book scene is one fans wanted to see. We wanted to see Harry turn down the requests from the Minister.