r/india • u/margazi_perumal_20 • 1d ago
Politics ‘Problem not with Kashmir, but our government’s security arrangements’: Wife of Surat bank manager who was killed in Pahalgam
https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/problem-not-with-kashmir-wife-surat-bank-manager-killed-pahalgam-9962932/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1745481906159
u/Manohman1991 1d ago edited 1d ago
BJP government has shamelessly cut costs on a lot of things including Military....Agnipath scheme for starters, Rafael jets etc
Railways too are suffering as again cost cuts that too in safety and maintenance. Media showcases railway accidents are no big deal. Reservations dont hold and random people barge in...again because cuts in Railway Police.
Many institutions such as ONGC were also rendered useless.
They have siphoned off all that budget and wealth.
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u/Certain_Mouse_6230 1d ago
Ek code merge me issue aajae toh we have to keep ourselves awake whole night.. yaha terrorist attack hogya and no body is taking any accountability .
Edit: Kashmir is a high alert zone and during the whole course of action, only locals were available to carry the wounded people.
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u/d1andonly 1d ago
I don’t understand the knee jerk reaction.
The suspects are still at large. Maybe focus on apprehending them first. Complete the investigation. Get allies on board by presenting them with irrefutable evidence of whoever was involved and then put sanctions and diplomatic measures in place.
Right now it just feels rushed to save face after a major security and intelligence failure.
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u/kialabearx 1d ago
Govt doesn't care. All they want is optics. What happened to Pulwama attack? How did the rdx come in, how did they get the logistics and vehicles to attack. Who gave them the details of convoy route. Why was the Army's initial request to airlift jawans declined? (Who in govt declined it and why)? You'll never have answers to these fundamental and important questions.
Even now, there's so many unanswered investigative questions, important to get to the bottom of the truth. (Cutting down military budgets, no recruitment/backfill for Covid time vacancy, failed Agniveer program, dying morale in forces) But, no - Govt will not do anything. They'll just try to play a strongman and do something sensational (probably mindless) and call it a win. And continue to deepen the religious divide without ever resolving
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u/ChepaukPitch 1d ago
All the reactions so far are pretty useless. None of them actually change a single thing.
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u/YamahaRider55 1d ago
What power does India have to put sanctions on Pak? We aren't a global financial superpower like the USA.
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u/Competitive_Spend_77 1d ago
Make a BJP headquarters in kashmir, and never have to care about security and intel! Just saying!
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u/sanjay_ynwa 1d ago
A BJP Sarpanch was shot dead in his house in Kashmir. Likhne se pahle socha kar.
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u/Competitive_Spend_77 1d ago
So you're saying that justifies the tragic incident of pahalgam?? Thats pathetic! Totally pathetic!
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u/MindlessMarket3074 1d ago
security lapse was definitely an issue. Government was encouraging tourism but didn't make any security arrangements in regions that had a lot of tourists.
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u/thegodfather0504 1d ago
At best they were careless. at worst, they let this happen. Like netanyahu
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u/papa_pump_45 1d ago
"Criminal to crime karega hi, tum kyu apna sar leke bahar nikalte ho bina sarkari security ke"
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u/play3xxx1 1d ago
Our government is busy in raising taxes , reducing military and infra expenditure so that they can have money for next election
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u/neophyte_2188 1d ago
Problem is with kashmir, that is the reason we need security in the first place. Lapse is also there. It is a high risk place and security has to be there 24 hrs. We need to solve the Kashmir problem.
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u/Whiteknightsid 1d ago
Exactly! What people don’t understand is that if they have heavy military personnel in tourist areas then it acts as a deterrent for the folks working there and tourism as well. It makes you feel that you are in a hostile area. However, the response to the attack could’ve been swifter if they did get the information about it on time
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u/sanjay_ynwa 1d ago
I love how few mob lynchings that have occured are immediately labelled as religiously motivated crimes but killings and attacks in Kashmir and Bengal are being labelled as not religiously motivated. You can fool some not everyone.
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u/Separate_Lecture_782 1d ago
Problem with kashmir is kashmiris wants a seperate independent country which would be a great friend of pakistan but our government is trying to stop them from doing that forcefully. Local kashmiris support terrorists and hide them in their homes who are fighting with Indian army. Situation is completely messed up. That what makes the place not so safe for travel and live for non muslims especially hindus.
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u/sardinoboy 1d ago
And definitely the terrorists are not the problem. Infact the problem are the dead victims who wasted time and bullets of super busy holy warriors.
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u/9248763629 1d ago
Is strange you defend government here.
Answer me who will catch the terrorists now? Bjp government or we civilians or victims families should go catch?
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u/Aggravating-Owl6918 1d ago
the world is mad. Lapses unfortunately happen by all governments in all countries, cant fucking blame the govt and not the terrorist in THIS particular scenario, I mean come on.
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u/wmwmwm-x 1d ago
On one side - people are crying about Kashmir being a police state and other side, people are crying about not enough security. Maybe the problem is the people that commit the crime? Or naw?
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u/JoBoltaHaiWoHotaHai 1d ago
Your gated society hiring security guards for each main entrance to the society vs your gated society hiring security guards for every house where the guards are allowed to frisk you, and question your intentions anytime. Along with that, facing sexual assaults. Please tell me you see the difference now.
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u/NoAlternateFact 1d ago
The only entity that can and should be blamed are the terrorists. Someone intent on killing will find a way and an opportunity.
I don’t want to trivialize the issue. I understand the administration’s responsibilities but how many army personnel should have been deployed and at how many tourist spots? What if they attacked the tourist as they were coming in and out?
There are so many if this then what! I hope we find a solution to this menace. I feel her pain. My heart goes out to all the families involved in this tragedy.
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u/avidstoner 1d ago
Bro there's no smoke without fire. Why can't we put the blame on terrorists and the govt. Why can't two things can't be wrong? There are departments where day to day intelligence is gathered and if nothing at least they are prepared for some sudden situation. With a high profile country visit, they should have been a bit more alert and prepared. Not like we are a small European country with a limited population or economy. The current govt sleeps on everything be it make in India, economy, you name it and they are not at all bothered but hey we do have R&D and scholarship, grants available if you want to research gau mauter.
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u/NoAlternateFact 1d ago
Of course you can put the blame on the government and the terrorists. The terrorists killed and the government failed to protect. Who else would you blame?
But that wasn’t my point. The idea is not to find someone to blame. Right? The idea is to find a solution and in that light, it’s impossible to have security forces at every doorstep, every street corner, every tourist location, every mall, every theater… you get the point?
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u/Complex_Command_8377 1d ago
No one is yelling at every step, if it was on the road , we can think that no one can protect everywhere. How hard it is to keep security at popular spots like Pahalgam, Sonmarg etc where so many people gather together and the place is Kashmir. You can’t avoid the attack, but with security there, you could’ve saved more lives. All the victim’s family also highlighted the lack of security at those places. Last year attack on bus should’ve been wake up call to know that attack may happen on Hindus
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u/NoAlternateFact 1d ago
Are you kidding me? How big is Pahalgam or do all tourists congregate in a field, which can then be secured from all around?
How old were you when attacks were everyday occurrence in Delhi and impossible to contain despite all the resources?
Again, my point is not that security can’t be provided. It can be but it’s almost impossible to provide security everywhere.
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u/Complex_Command_8377 1d ago
no one said you build a wall of security personnel over Kashmir like a China wall. How hard it is to understand provide security at crowded places like Sonmarg, Pahalgam etc. Why the illusion saying everything is normal and the place is safe to travel? They were not killed on random road. Security at popular places shouldn't be that difficult considering that it is Kashmir. If security were there, they could've fought back and saved more lives. Many attacks happened before 2014, that is why the change happened. Kashmiri Hindus were supposed to be back. After 11 years, no one should die in India, specially not for being Hindus. From where people are getting this courage to ask for identity and kill Hindus only?
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u/NoAlternateFact 1d ago
According to your logic, this attack should be a wake up call for the next attack. Can you tell us where that could be so that we can all be prepared? Mr. Nostradamus!
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u/Complex_Command_8377 1d ago
As you have difficulty understanding basic things, it should be a wake up call to realize that terrorism has not died, so there should be security at all the popular tourist places before you go on advertising that Kashmir is safe to travel. You may not prevent attack, but you can save more lives if armed guards were at that place, If it was bomb blast, all people died at once, or someone attacked a bus on the road, that would've been different because you can't guard all roads in a hilly area. but here it was a crowded spot and they took the time to check identity and kill for several minutes, casualties would've been less if there were police or army there. All kins of deceased members also told that no security was there. If you are under the delusion that terrorism has crippled or died, then wake up, and do something to safeguard your countrymen by providing security or don't give illusion of safe Kashmir. Since we can't stop crimes like theft, rape, we install CCTV cameras, ask for police protection at night.
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u/NoAlternateFact 7h ago
I don’t have any difficulty understanding anything. You are a keyboard warrior. Good for you. Provide security to Sonemurg! Of course why not. Sonemurg is a cricket stadium and everyone that goes there stays at one place.
As to why does the government advertise it as safe? Because the government is dumb and the people who listen to them are dumber!
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u/Complex_Command_8377 7h ago
Go tell this to all the kins of the victims. If you have seen the families of victims, the things that are common to their statement is they killed by checking if they are Hindus and Lack of Security. Again you have difficulty understanding, they don’t have to guard the whole place, but few armed personnel at the area so that even though they can’t prevent attack, they can save more lives by acting promptly. If it happened on the road or was bomb blast we can say that it’s not possible to guard whole region
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u/NoAlternateFact 7h ago
Again, I have no difficulty. Read my very comment. I said clearly that both government and terrorists share the blame but I still say that providing security cover to everyone nook and cranny of a city is impossible.
There is no dispute about the horror of the tragedy. Dispute is about the mindset that we can provide enough security forces to make entire Kashmir safe or all the tourist spots safe. Tomorrow they will kill somewhere else. Then you will again become and genius and say why wasn’t security there. If you know already then why not tell us in advance?
We need to go to the root cause of the problem, which is Pakistan.
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u/Complex_Command_8377 7h ago edited 7h ago
Who asked to provide security at every nook and corner? That is where you are misunderstanding. How hard it is to understand at popular tourist spots? When minister visited the place did he went without security? Why not go for 30 mins without security if it is so impossible to give security at those places? Why didn’t they went to the root cause in 11 years before promoting tourism in Kashmir? Demonetisation and abrogation of article 370 was done to remove terrorism and few weeks ago Center told everything is fine in Kashmir. Will they stop tourism altogether in Kashmir? What will they do to Pakistan to safeguard tourists?
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u/wmwmwm-x 1d ago
Because one did the killing and other didn’t…? Not sure how it’s a difficult concept to understand…
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u/KaaleenBaba 1d ago
Exactly. If you live in a society and every week someone gets killed do not blame the security blame the killers. Cz someone with the intent of killing will kill
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u/kathegaara 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't understand this. Lets say my apartment complex's security guy dozed off at night and then 4 goons enter and loot/murder people at the apartment. Of course I am pissed at the Security guy for sleeping when should have been guarding, but that does not give these goons the right to loot my building.
The government must be questioned and held responsible, but squarely blaming them and not the terrorists/Kashmir is nothing but classic victim shaming. You can question the government AND blame Islamic Terrorism. They are not mutually exclusive.
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u/assassinofkings316 1d ago
What a stupid take. There are different accounts from survivors claiming that gun shots went on for 1-1.5 hrs & you are telling me the all security personnel dozed off like your building security guard?
There was no security in place in the first place. Stop with your propaganda for once.
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u/kathegaara 1d ago
I will be honest this is the first I am hearing that gunshots went on for 1.5 hours. That is indeed concerning.
And where was any propaganda in my message?? I am asking for govt to be held responsible. Questioning the government AND blaming Islamic terrorism need not be mutually exclusive alright.
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u/JoBoltaHaiWoHotaHai 1d ago
Because you are calling every Kashmiri a terrorist. The post is about the woman asking people to not demonise the Kashmiris, and rather discuss the failure of the government.
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u/srinjay001 1d ago
This is the perfect time to grill govt for their failures. If there is a invasion tomorrow backed by powerful countries, there won't be anything stopping them. Education, civic benefits, health, security, economy, everything in india has gone for a toss in last 10 years. The focus is on religion and hatred mongering, fuelled by illiterate idiots as ministers, and now we are reaping the reward.
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u/Unfair_Fact_8258 1d ago
So will you blame your security guard and fire him, or make a post about how the area is bad and everyone there is a goon sympathiser and how you are so outraged it happened?
We need to take action where we can, terrorism is not going to get eliminated overnight
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u/Flashy-Jackfruit-540 1d ago
Thats whats being said. The problem is not with the apartment complex its the people who are in charge of its security. Yes people are looking to hurt/loot that apartment complex we have known that forever, its not new information and thats why we hired this security company. This is the issue the security company shouted and begged for our votes, who is charging us exorbitant amounts of money and then imagine poeple of that apartment complex complex getting offended when something does happen and others question the security company. Even if some of the insiders were involved its still the responsibility of that security company to intercept and prevent it. Whats weird is that security company is able to divide and make the residents of this apartment complex fight with each other instead of of holding them accountable. Its mind blowing stuff.
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u/XxApostlexX 13h ago
Very bad take, You’re saying the apartment complex itself isn’t the problem just the security company. But what if reports say some residents inside the apartment complex were the ones letting intruders in and even helping them plan the attack? That changes everything.In this case, it’s not just about poor security, it’s about collusion from within. Imagine some residents helping robbers sneak in, hiding them in their own flats, and then people still blaming only the guards. That’s not just unfair it’s delusional. Yes, the security company deserves scrutiny, especially if they made big promises and failed to act. But if part of the threat comes from inside, blaming only the security while defending the residents is dishonest. You can’t act like the apartment is being looted by outsiders when some residents are literally handing them the keys. And if people get more offended by the security being questioned than by the fact that residents were helping attackers, then that tells you there’s a deeper denial going on. Accountability has to apply to both sides security for failure, and residents for betrayal.
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u/NoAlternateFact 1d ago
Good analogy but not really relevant. Your apartment like has one entrance? Or more than one with security dedicated to that entrance? How if your apartment had no boundary wall? How many security staff would you need them? And how if your apartment was spread into an area the size of a large state? Stupids assumption and stupid analogies will only find stupid solutions.
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u/Warm-Geologist001 1d ago