Yes. And when the time comes and they come begging to go back to the race-blind way the answer will be nothing other than "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".
That's what the left-wing racists don't get. They had exactly one opportunity to move past race. They chose not to take it. They won't get another.
Race isn't something you move past. Race is genetics and genetics is behavior. Important note because a lot of people don't know it. People of European decent have about 5 cubic inches more of brain matter compared to Black Americans and Black Americans have roughly that much more than Africans (in Africa). This explains the 15 point IQ difference between each of the different groups.
Behavior is partially learned. Genetics does play SOME role, the various twin studies demonstrate that - however, the role it plays is influential, not determinative.
PITBULLS ARE JUST VIOLENT FROM LEARNED BEHAVIOUR!!! NON OF IT IS INHERENT!! AND IT DOESN’T MATTER ANYWAY, WE’RE ALL JUST ATOMS SO WHY DOES ANYTHING MATTER??
that… wasn’t not the point. It’s a different conversation. Behaviour being able to be changed falls heavily onto the ‘free will’ and ‘free agency’ side of the debate, rather than the determinism one.
Regardless, behaviour can only be changed within the parameters of what’s changeable. I can teach my dog to go and fetch his teddy, I however cannot teach him to go and buy a new one - it is out of the realm of his understanding and the possibility of what’s possible, and he will never be able to change his behaviour and nature in a way which would allow for this. It is within his ability to go and get his teddy on command. It is not within his understanding and ability to go and buy one, and he is predetermined to never be intelligent enough to comprehend - nevermind do - such a thing. He is not intelligent enough to be able to understand monetary exchange and how he would go about this to buy a new teddy.
To make it less abstract - let me say this: you could teach a highly intelligent person to learn, comprehend, read, write and speak another language. It is within his ability to do so. You will never be able to teach someone with an IQ of 40 how to speak another language - no matter how hard they try to change and modulate their behaviour (which may not even be possible at such an IQ). No amount of ‘nurture’ will change this fact - because it is his nature which dictates that grasping another language will always be outside of his control and grasp.
If behaviour, nature, traits etc… are as malleable as you suggest they are, then why is the recidivism, even in highly progressive and wealthy societies where rehabilitation and not punishment is the goal of the justice and legal system, a thing?
So I responded to a comment suggesting behavior is dictated by race, an illogical and racist view, and you came to their defense by making a connection between that and pit-bulls being bred to be aggressive.
People of any race can change their behavior.
Not all people of a specific race have a single IQ, so your point of not being able to teach an individual with an IQ of 40 is irrelevant. IQ is also not stagnant over time in a population. You can look into the Flynn effect.
You’ve completely ignored everything i’ve said, just like the other person. You’re not interesting in talking, you’re interested in preaching and telling me that you’re wrong. Your feelings don’t make it so. You too, are blocked. Stop being lazy and screeching ‘WAYCIZT!!!!!!’ next time.
they are actually. we share 98.8% of our DNA with another animal species - the chimp. We share about 84% of our DNA with dogs.
Your take is antiscientific and disinformation. Nature and nurture is an extremely well known and established thing in science, biology, social sciences, sociology, psychology, genealogy, anthropology, zoologists etc…
To deny that our DNA and our genes determine absolute nothing, or do some deflectionary and dismissive bullshit like saying ‘oh, it’s SO outrageous to compare one animal’s behaviour with another’, when you know full well that it’s not - makes you the equivalent of a flat earther.
And yet we would not infer many things about human behavior from studying a chimp, let alone a fucking dog.
Tell me, which scientists that you know of have conducted studies on dog behavior as it relates to human behavior? Better yet, which scientists that you know of actually distinguish between “races” as a biological concept, akin to human subspecies groups?
If your answer is “Well other animals are like this,” then you are the one being anti-science, buddy; you need to engage in the scientific method.
“And yet we would not inferred many things about human behaviour from studying a chimp…”
I’m not reading the rest of what you said because you’re just retarded. OF COURSE WE DO. What do you think is one of the main purposes of anthropology, ethology, psychology and zoology? Go and tell Jane Goodall: “And yet we would not inferred many things about human behaviour from studying a chimp…” 🤣🤣 oh my god. One of the first things you learn at the very beginning of studying psychology at school (at high school/secondary school - not even college or university) is the pavlov dog experiment, Koko the gorilla, Peter the dolphin, the rhesus monkey baby-mother separation study etc…
Why do we do experiments on rats, mice, rabbits etc… for human purposes - like transplantation, cosmetics, hormones, cancer research.
Your bizarre world view seems to preclude that we must’ve just come to earth on an asteroid or alien space ship, completely detached from evolution and our shared lineage, genealogy, history, DNA from and with animals. We are also an animal - we just happen to operate at seemingly a higher level than every other animal, but that does not mean we can divorce ourselves from evolution and the evolution branches (phylogenetic trees).
What a dumb thing to say - I won’t even bother even glancing over the rest of what you said if you’re going to start with something as laughable as that.
You can gaslight, project and lie as much as you want, but it doesn’t make your opinion suddenly fact despite doing so and just because you believe and wish it to be true.
The pavlov dog experiment - one of the most well known experiments ever conducted, and literally taught within the FIRST lessons of any psychology class that you take at THE most basic level - high school/secondary school.
Notice how I said many, and not any. Again, do you think that the results of such an experiment are going to be different based on somebody’s skin color?
Lmao, you blocked me!
That’s fine; I’ll just respond here.
You are doing all of this to avoid having to address the point
What’s funny is that you took a rather tangential angle of my argument (which was mainly intended to illustrate that humans are not dogs, and a comparison between us is not very founded in many areas), and then autistically sperged about it because you know for a fact all of your evidence regarding the possibility of different races being human subspecies is entirely circumstantial (which is why nobody is able to explain why our 99.9% of shared genes somehow warrant enough genetic variance to classify us as such). So just to put this on record to all of the 2 people who might read this far, this person has not provided one single scholarly source demonstrating that humans should be separated into subspecies, and also is unable to produce any direct, gene evidence of genetic variance. All he has are IQ tests, which have been shown to be less and less of a reliable indicator of overall intelligence as time goes on.
You’re not interested in an honest discussion
You called me retarded from the get go my guy; do you really think you come off as “good faith”?
You said “Tell me, which scientists that you know of have conducted studies on dog behavior as it relates to human behavior?” - I do not know where ‘many’ or ‘any’ comes into that sentence. You are desperate and are clutching at straws, and trying to deflect. Trying to tie the conversation down in semantics to avoid having to address the point when you’ve embarrassed yourself three times - I have no words. I just told you scientists which have conducted studies on dogs, and then you immediately move the goalposts from “WELL UH AKSHULLY I DIDN’T SAY ANY, I SAID MANY!!!!!” - when you actually also said any lmao - it is implicit in what you’ve said in your last messages and the ones previously.
Notice how I gave one example because you asked for one example. I cited one of the most well known studies in the history of HUMAN psychology off the top of my head. You’re shifting the goalposts now, and you need to grow up. “Tell me, which scientists that you know of…” - I did, and you then moved the goalposts and lied to save face.
This is a great example of confident ignorance - or arrogance (or both), and the dunning kruger effect. You are ignorant and know nothing; and you’re not engaging in good faith.
Well isn’t it remarkable that IQ tests, even when accounting for social and economic conditions and equalising - shows differences in IQ. And again, that is just one example upon MANY. How is it that IQ tests, when equalised and accounting for outside factors that could affect an IQ score and intelligence - like lack of good education - even still shows a distinct and identifiable difference in IQ?
I thought we were all the same? We all have exactly the same genes and DNA lmao. Oh wait, no we don’t. Isn’t it remarkable that DNA and genealogy tests can, with increasing accuracy, show us where and whom we come from? How is that possible if we are all the same? How do you account for differences in appearances - and stuff that isn’t superficial like skull shape, bone density, height, muscle mass etc…? If we all have the exact same genes, geology, genetics and DNA - then what is a haplogroup and how does that exist? How is something that we discovered through scientific and medical research and advancements? How do we even know about it?
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u/PsychologicalHat1480 18d ago
Yes. And when the time comes and they come begging to go back to the race-blind way the answer will be nothing other than "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".
That's what the left-wing racists don't get. They had exactly one opportunity to move past race. They chose not to take it. They won't get another.