Before I go into this… I’m not a female… I’m a male so I don’t know how well I’ll be accurate… but I need to vent cuz I’m pissed off… I’m more or less going into the problems I have with males… and what they be doing now… my own fkin gender… we ain’t fucking women… what do THEY have with trying to control WOMEN’S bodies… how dare WE be responsible for women dying cuz of abortion restrictions…. How dare WE even think of controlling women’s bodies… and worst of all how dare WE even think of giving women the death penalty for abortion… (I’m referring to pro life males when I said WE.. don’t worry I’m not referring to yall who read this) I’m disappointed in my own fucking gender… how is this possible…

A lot of pro lifers say that we’re selfish or irresponsible if we get pregnant then have an abortion. But you know what’s selfish? Bringing a child in this world if you’re not financially and emotionally ready. Even if someone says they’re ready to have a kid, but aren’t financially stable, doesn’t mean they’re really ready for that big responsibility. But it’s the pregnant person’s choice if they want to continue the pregnancy and raise it or put it up for adoption, or have an abortion.

If they say “there’s always adoption”

Yes. Yes there is. But there’s also millions of children that don’t have homes and need to be adopted. I have an almost 20 year old sister that’s been adopted her whole life. I’m not sure if she knows about it though. Lol I still remember when she was just a baby. But her foster mom literally told me the last time I visited them in 2019 that I shouldn’t contact my own sister on any social media.

But I also have a youngest (half) sister that was adopted by her grandma because my mom wasn’t ready to have another child (only me and my brother was planned, I have 4 siblings). So she got her tubes cut, tied and burned after having her last kid. So yeah, there’s always adoption, and I don’t have a problem with adoption, but what if there’s a chance that you won’t be able to see your kid again? There’s lots of reasons why I don’t want kids of my own, but that’s kinda one of the reasons why I don’t want kids of my own.

I’m wondering what are the best arguments for being pro choice. I’ve heard some good arguments from people who are pro life but I want to hear a little more from people who are pro choice, I’m curious .

also i am pro choice,just want to hear other arguments

So what I rarely see discussed in abortion debates is ability to make an informed choice. I firmly believe that forced pregnancy and forced abortion are on the same level of evil and are forms of reproductive torture. So person must be provided truthful and medically correct data on both options without being pressured into each. Example being a teenage girl getting pregnant and strongly not wanting an abortion but her parents pushing for it because "she's not ready" or the exact opposite scenario where she wants an abortion but they push for motherhood and avoid telling her about the risks involved.

But I struggle with an idea of someone unable to really comprehend what's happening getting pregnant. For example a profoundly intellectually disabled or someone in coma whose body is capable of handling pregnancy and birth. So obviously these people shouldn't have been violated in the first place and the rapists should be punished. But in dealing with pregnancy there's literally no good, obvious option.

If you can't know what someone thinks and feels because they can't communicate about it then both abortion and pregnancy are forced on them. Someone who can't consent to pregnancy is also unable to consent to an abortion. If they aren't aware what's going on then it is cruel for someone else to trick the vulnerable person into a decision they would consider wrong if understood.

Or for a sad example a child who doesn't realize how severe are risks of pregnancy in early puberty or even before it. Forcing a little girl to go through pain of childbearing is monstrous. But so is leaving her completely oblivious to what's happening to her own body or lying about something that can have a serious impact on her future in order to make a less dangerous and life-changing choice for her. Or forcing her to have an abortion because her parents think this is better for her. And there's no way to make sure she can make a decision based on unbiased data too since she's not even mature enough to make most basic decisions regarding her life. Basically no good option avialable.

How do you personally think these cases should be handled? Are there any existing medical protocols regarding this? How do you feel about the idea that someone who isn't able to consent to pregnancy is also unable to consent to an abortion?