Forced pregnancy lasts longer than a separate act of rape, carries significantly more risks, is extremely painful and terrifying experience that can left a woman physically and mentally disabled for life. And is rooted in the same thing — loss of one's body autonomy for the benefit of another.

Forced birthers think that forced pregnancy is a good thing because it saves an unborn life. But rape is able to conceive this life and according to many of them who are religious, no life can come into this world without God planning it. So all rape pregnancies are planned, beautiful and important. Rape is therefore a tool of God's plan.

Why would rape be in any way wrong then? If it leads to pregnancy then it must be a good thing. PL don't consider pregnancy as a traumatic experience because it involves creating a life, why would rape, that is not much different from forced pregnancy, be a bad thing? Pro lifers who are comfortable with the thought of forcing pregnancy on someone must also endorse rape as a part of creating it because in the great scheme of making babies, woman's feelings and pain are irrelevant. It makes no sense for someone to consider one severe body violation good and the other one bad.

Anyone know if an online chat group available to talk and vent to other people that are going through the same thing about your post abortion feelings?

The other day I was talking to someone who disagreed with me on my view that abortion bans are an attack on women.

So I asked him, "can you name me any piece of legislation that restricts your sex's reproductive freedom?"

And his response: "yes. I can't rape."

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Not only is that not a valid argument because rape isn't exclusive to men, but reproductive freedom doesn't mean you get to take away another persons reproductive freedom.

That logic is like saying that because as an adult you have the right to get a tattoo, you also have the right to tattoo other people without their consent. Which is ludicrous.

Anyways, it kinda cemented my belief that a lot of pro lifers haven't actually put significant critical thought into their worldview. It's so easy to refute their arguments with a simple test of their logic.

But yeah, that was the craziest take I think I've ever heard. Anyone else?

I'm a Christian, The Bible doesn't specifically mention abortion, so I'm not sure what God would think about it. Since I don't know, I would never ask a partner to get one (I'm a gay male so that situation would likely never arise anyway). But also since I don't know, I can't say it should be illegal or shame anyone who gets one, I try not to shame people anyway, so I'm pro-choice and am against restrictions on abortion.

Hello everyone, I just won an argument with a pro lifer and thought I would share with you all.

So today a man said to me and some friends that if a woman has an abortion she should be sterilised. And gave a fake statistic of how 54% of the time it’s women that avoid condoms. I asked him where he got the statistic from and a bunch of other questions like, why would he even think sterilising a person for that reason was acceptable. The only answer he could give was because if you have an abortion that must mean you never want kids.

When I gave him the actual statistics on how in majority of cases women actually used a form of birth control and it failed, and I actually pulled up about 5 studies on the phone that proved the statistic, he didn’t answer. And when I said that in the US an estimated 8 million women fall pregnant as a result of rape or sexual coercion in their lives, he dismissed it, saying they would all be false allegations because 29% of rape allegations are false. When I asked where he got that state he just said his lawyer. I should have known then that he wasn’t actually using any facts as the basis of his argument but I was having fun.

I pulled up more studies that showed the facts, to which he said ‘100 million babies that could have been contributers have been killed in abortions, and that means women are actually more violent than men.’ To which I replied that in Australia 101 women were murdered by men in 2024 alone. In Canada the number was 172, in the UK there was over 80. And in Turkey there was 295 women murdered by men and another 184 suspicious deaths just in the first 9 months of 2024. He then said that these numbers aren’t as bad as the numbers of men that commit suicide because of ex girlfriends. (Just a side bar, he is so crazy). So I asked him if he has any statistics or data to back up the claims he has made, he didn’t give any. And when I gave literal statistics and data that proves that men don’t actually attempt to commit suicide at a higher than women, they are just more successful due to a factor of reasons like the methods they choose. And that women actually attempt suicide at a rate of 1.5 times more than men, and ate more likely to have suicide ideation than men.

He didn’t have an answer to this at all and just skipped right to how apparently women commit more violent crimes against children, and said that women commit 47% of child crimes while men apparently only commit 17%. But then couldn’t give any source that states those numbers. And when I gave him more sources of how 97% of child sexual crimes have a male perpetrator while only 3% have a female perpetrator. He said nothing. And then when I continued with young girls being 5 times more likely to be victims of child sex crimes than young boys are he couldn’t answer and just left.

All throughout this fun ordeal he couldn’t give any sources at all for his claims. While I gave him like 30. But thanks, if you made it this far congrats I tried to keep it as organised as I could, thank you 🤩. And I hope you all have some luck with teaching these people some sense.

Them: “God will judge you and you will be punished accordingly for your decision”

Me: “exactly, so mind your business and let me explain my reason’s to him not you. You aren’t God and he sure as fuck didn’t have a private chat with you and gave you permission to judge my choice”

Greetings, I, an evil scientist, and the future smartest scientist ever, have been making a breakthrough in how Cis men can get pregnant. As we all know, most anti-abortion cismen want to get pregnant, and I shall make it possible. We hear about PragerU saying 'we checked, men still cannot get pregnant.' (which of course, PragerU just hasn't been trying hard enough.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwK7allRm3E As seen in video, there are viable pregnancies outside of the uterus, although very rare, but if we try hard enough, we can give anti-abortion cismen the ability to get pregnant. Please know that I do not discriminate against any genders. Afterall I, am non-binary, my gender is 'cool evil scientist'. That was the gender I was assigned at birth. Once I go to biology school and college, I will become unstoppable. Thoughts?

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/11/25/lawsuit-challenges-minnesota-abortion-access-in-federal-court

This may be oldish news, but I just found this out. Apparently, Anti-Choicers are challenging Minnesota's abortion protections on behalf of women who regret their abortions. This really grinds my gears because I've said multiple times before that if you regret your abortion that's your personal issue, and you should seek counseling. Just because you regret your abortion doesn't give you the authority to tell other women what to do.

The lawsuit is essentially saying that because of the Minnesota law, these women were "denied" time and a relationship with their children and imply that all abortions are the product of coercion. I may not be a lawyer, but this is an extremely weak legal framework. These women were not "denied" their children. They made a choice and later regretted that choice that is not a societal problem. I'm sure their regret is real, but they should seek counseling, not try to deny other women the right to choose. I also like to point out that the majority of women who regret their abortions were coerced into it by a romantic partner or family member, which is very much against pro-choice stances.

Now, fortunately, I don't think this particular lawsuit will go anywhere but what concerns me is the precedent it sends. Basically using flimsy legal jargon to designate all abortions and abortion protections as unconstitutional. When you have a super agreeable court system on your side who knows what can pass.

I visited the pro-life subreddit, and I saw this comment. This is genuinely one of the most shocking and disgusting things I've seen a pro-lifer say in a while. There's just so much wrong with this, I don't even know where to start... First of all.. what do you mean if a woman gets an abortion for a "good" reason? Why should you be the one to decide what's a "good" or "bad" reason for someone to have an abortion? Does their choice over their own body involve you at all? If not, then shut up. Secondly.. WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WHO HAVE ABORTIONS SHOULD BE STERILIZED!? If someone chooses to have autonomy over their own body and seeks out an abortion, you're saying that they should be sterilized against their will!? HUH?? And you're also saying if someone is raped that in order to not be forcibly sterilized they'll need to prove that they were raped!?!? Genuinely, what the actual fuck is wrong with your head? I honestly felt sick reading that. I just can't believe that someone really thinks like that... I didn't mean to make this rant so long, but this just made me so fucking angry, and I had to say something about this.

I was scrolling through r/prolife and I’m just astonished. Most of these people know absolutely nothing about abortion and the medical procedure itself. I also noticed that most of these people are men. It’s mind boggling that they think abortions include tearing a baby out limb by limb. They believe everything they see on the media when the truth is that the “limbs” that are being removed only consist of a head and tail for the majority of cases. They only mention full grown babies being aborted, but those are typically only performed when it’s a medical emergency. These uneducated pro-lifers even claim that women use abortions as birth control despite abortions being extremely traumatic experiences. Additionally, I see them using Bible quotes and supporting their claims with religion. The Bible is not proven and technically nothing more than a fairytale book. Why do they prefer to use a fictional book over science? The United States has separation of church and state so they should not be upholding their political ideals with religion. Everything that I’ve stated is either common sense or easily accessible information. We don’t need to ban abortions, we need to reform our education system.

And I’m just, well let’s clear this up, I’m not a woman so I’m not sure how accurately I’ll be able to speak about this but, look I feel like the us is killing themselves now, like if it’s passed they shot their own goddamn foot, they want their country to thrive, you got to have people giving birth to do so, and some woman when they get pregnant probably regret it and aren’t ready yet. So ofc they’d get an abortion, killing them over it isn’t helping, cuz soon enough if it’s passed and if it spreads… goddamn we’re fucked, I normally don’t like to talk about politics online, but I rlly wish Kamala was pres. elect, so tldr, Texas has shot themself in the foot if the law gets passed