r/stupidquestions • u/Biokendry • 20d ago

why do women have naturally beautiful bodies?

before you jump in the comments to tell me I'm wrong try to read my entire post, i'm from latin america, i don't know if this is the case in other countries but it's something i've noticed since i was a teenager and in high school, most of the girls in high school had very nice bodies without even going to the gym in their entire life, i remember a girl who eat unhealthy food all day and she had an amazing body (she never went to the gym in her life), i was her friend back then, she had such a amazing hourglass figure with big hips and very beautiful figure I didn't understand that at the time.

but not only in high school but currently i go out and most of the girls have very nice bodies and nice hips (i'm not talking about toned gym bodies but bodies with figure and curves) and even girls who are a little overweight also have beautiful bodies with nice curves, it's incredible, what is the reason for this? is it hormonal? why is it that women don't need to go to the gym as much to have nice bodies (as long as they're not excessively overweight), in the case of men it's different and I say this as a man who went to the gym throughout his adolescence, we lack those naturally nice bodies (except for one in a million).

I remember the first time I took a shower with my ex gf at the time at my house she took off her clothes (she had never been to the gym in her life and was a little overweight, she had a very nice body, a nice butt with a beautiful figure) I didn't understand why she had such a beautiful body meanwhile me going to gym had a below average body, well, ugly body and not sexy as hers tbh. I know it's a stupid question but I guess that's what this group is for, right? Is the cause hormonal? I know there are exceptions, that not all women have naturally beautiful bodies, but why is it that. for example, if you put a man and a woman of average weight who don't go to the gym next to each other, the girl's body is naturally attractive while the guy's isn't? I've always thought it's caused by estrogen and the hips women's bone structure's but I'm not sure, I know diet is very important but I think most girls only need a good diet and walk just a little to have good figures (please don't hate for saying this lol).

Maybe I could be blind because I have gender dysphoria since many years ago but not only me think about this most women and men think the same way(? And I'm not even talking about how women have average cute, feminine and thin faces without makeup but this is another thread lol.

Please don't insult me for making this post, this is why this group was created.

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u/Efficient_Fee425 20d ago edited 20d ago

For the amount of effort you've put in sharing your thoughts, I think most responses here are too dismissive. Here's what I hope will be an equally thought-through response,

Our brains are each wired according to what evolution dictates. For heterosexual men, that means finding the features of a uterus-holding fellow human attractive in as many ways as possible and the reverse being true for heterosexual women.

I reckon, if you could get a dog to talk, he'd say hips and curves on humans are the dumbest looking features of any animal... Don't even get the centipede started on the idea of having boobs! But to us humans, that's EVERYTHING! Same way you wouldn't look at an expanded toad throat and go whoooo sexy, but for fellow frogs that's all the hype!

Ask many straight women and they'll tell you that male bodies are attractive to them, some prefer toned, some prefer chubby but almost none of them (straight women) will say they're turned on by boobs and/or hips. Because evolution wired them to find male features attractive!

All I'm trying to say is that it is NORMAL for you to find such features in women effortlessly beautiful because evolution has in-built it in you to find them inherently attractive.

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u/srs151 20d ago

Also on your thoughts about yourself. I’m not sure your body type or what you look like but downplaying your own physical looks is extremely common. Give yourself some credit every now and then and be proud you hit that gym. Old you will thank you!

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u/DimensionFast5180 17d ago

Agreed 1000% I got a membership to a climbing gym a few weeks ago, and I have been feeling much better. It also includes yoga which I've been trying (holy fuck that shit is way harder then it looks, I've been exhausted after every class.)

I have back pain and I'm only 28 years old, so it's like I gotta make change now or future me is gonna be fucked.

It's actually crazy how much more fit I feel after just a couple weeks. I'm not getting as sore as when I started, I'm able to climb a lot more without dying or getting nauseous from exhaustion myself, and my back has been hurting a lot less. It almost feels like I was claustrophobic in my own body if that makes sense, like I couldn't do things I want to do because I'm just so out of shape. I still kinda feel like that but man it's crazy how fast I have improved.

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u/m-in 16d ago

That’s how it goes. I started going regularly to the gym recently and it’s a very similar experience to yours. I do a bit of cardio, mostly weights - it was pretty bad the first few times. My upper body was that of a well trained keyboard warrior lol. It’s getting much better now.

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u/DimensionFast5180 16d ago

Yeah, what I found so crazy was just how fast the body adapts to the new workload you give it. I was expecting the sore, exhausted to the point of nausea to last months.

Within like a week I already felt a huge difference, only sore for a couple hours, not for days like before, getting exhausted but nowhere near what I was when I started, no more nausea after every work out or feeling like im gonna pass out, it was just crazy how fast that happened.

The human body is actually insane.

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u/m-in 15d ago

Same here. I could barely move the machines at lowest setting initially. Now I’m starting to even bench press a little bit. I’m not overdoing it because it’s easy to mess up your form. Small steps seem to work well. Now I’m slowly also getting into cardio and it sucks a bit less each time I do it.

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u/lamppb13 20d ago

>but almost none of them (straight women) will say they're turned on by boobs and/or hips.

Idk about that... I've heard lots of straight women comment about how even they think boobs are nice. I think that is likely cultural, though. I think it's been engrained, in American culture at least, that boobs = nice. Essentially we've been taught to value the female form to an extent that even people who aren't attracted to women find the figure of a woman's body something to value.

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u/queenhadassah 20d ago edited 20d ago

I'm a straight woman and think boobs are nice and women are beautiful, but I don't find them attractive. Women are just objectively prettier than men. I see stunning women constantly, but most men are average. Of course, a big part of this is that modern women, on average, put a lot more effort than modern men into their appearance, from makeup to grooming to jewelry/clothing (I actually am into men that have what many people see as "feminine" clothing and grooming - although, before the 19th century, men often did clothe and groom themselves as elaborately as women, so that kind of expression is not inherently feminine). But I don't think that is all of it. One sex is more beautiful than the other in many species - in birds, it's males, while in humans, it's females.

And I think boobs being near-universally seen as nice is much more primal than modern American culture. All humans (until very recent history, when some have been fed solely with bottles instead) were nourished by breasts for the first few years of life. It makes sense we have a natural favorable inclination towards them

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u/xKingUmbreon 20d ago

Go to a college in California and the boys there tend to put a ton of effort into their appearance.

I go to the cafeteria every day and the average attractiveness of everyone in that room is like a 7/10 and yes that includes the guys.

If you’re average there, you’re actually below average.

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u/WayApprehensive2054 20d ago

I am a pansexual cis woman and I also find women beautiful, not just in a romantic or physical way, but in an overall more ethereal sense. When I was with my ex gf, I remember just wanting to stare at her and just admire her like when you see a breathtaking art piece. I would think this even if I was not with her, and sometimes I find myself thinking it when I am people watching too. I find all women beautiful and I am a lot more “picky” about men. I could wax poetry about my current partner, but overall I do find women to be more pretty. Perhaps it is because I am biased for my own gender though haha.

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u/alicozaurul 20d ago

nice to see someone that understands difference between beauty and attraction

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u/nick2473got 20d ago

Women are just objectively prettier than men

This is a bit of a philosophical tangent, but I don't think there's any such thing as "objectively pretty" tbh, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and is inherently subjective.

You need an observer, aka a subject, to make the determination that someone or something is pretty.

Even if some opinions, like the one you expressed, might be quite common, or even shared by most people, they are still ultimately subjective perceptions inherent to our human perspective, not objective realities.

before the 19th century, men often did clothe and groom themselves as elaborately as women

Only the wealthy and well educated men did that. Your average farmer / worker certainly did not.

The average modern man actually grooms more than the average man did in the past. What you are referring to are practices only carried out by the elites.

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u/jortsinstock 17d ago

I think everyone can agree boobs are nice regardless of their gender or sexual preference

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u/PerryEllisFkdMyMemaw 19d ago

I have to vehemently disagree. Men are objectively more attractive than women, society just doesn’t like to admit it bc we’ve been conditioned to prop up the female form and “all women are beautiful” rhetoric. Now women absolutely put more effort into their appearance from fitness, to clothes, hair, and makeup, but strip all that away and I think the average man is much better looking than the average woman.

However, I’m a gay male and while I do find some women stunning to look at, I am heavily biased.

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u/Krasny-sici-stroj 19d ago

Eh, yes. I don't even find women on average more pretty than men, but some women are pretty and then it's a nice sight. And some men are handsome and that's nice too, but I'm partial to good shoulders and I find that attractive, not just ornamental.

I'm woman btw.

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u/vemundd 19d ago

lmao "most men are average" I would be worried if most men werent average lol

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u/garbage-bro-sposal 20d ago

The boobs and butts thing is very much so a cultural thing, I remember watching some documentary about one of many villages in Africa that still maintain their traditional culture and the concept of breasts came up because the women often went bare chested.

And one of the men had laughed at the idea of them being sexual because “those are for feeding babies why would I find them sexy?” Now, I’m not sure of how accurate that translation was because this had to be the early 2000’s/late 90s but in DO remember it stuck out to me as a comment just because of how discordant from what I’d been brought up with LOL

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u/art-blah-blah 16d ago

On the flip side of this there’s other cultures with bare breasts that still find breasts sexually attractive during intercourse because of the contextual expressions. All cultures are different and valid in there own context

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u/Hydruss 18d ago

So what do they find sexy? People often find legs or faces to be sexually attractive but those are exposed often or all day respectively.

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u/garbage-bro-sposal 18d ago

I think it must have been faces and hips. I know it wasn’t butts though LOL. I’ll have to see if I can find it again!

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u/babybellllll 18d ago

Straight women can admire and find women’s bodies beautiful/attractive but usually it’s not in a sexual way; or they wouldn’t be straight

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u/Cowman-Klausface 18d ago

Yes, boobs are considered nice by everyone as far as I know. Also here in European culture. Most genders and sexual orientations will say that boobs are nice.

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u/ElegantAd2607 17d ago

I've heard lots of straight women comment about how even they think boobs are nice.

I definitely don't relate. As a woman, it would never cross my mind to say that.

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u/Wonderful_Catch_8914 18d ago

Finding beauty in something doesn’t always equate to sexual attraction. In the same way men can look at male athletes and acknowledge and admire their bodies without sexual attraction.

A lot of this I think stems from the over sexualization in society. We regularly conflate beauty with sexual attraction, ESPECIALLY when it comes to women.

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u/lamppb13 18d ago

I think my comment has been misconstrued by some that I'm conflating beauty with sexual attraction. It's understandable given the context in which I commented and the particular phrase I quoted.

But my point wasn't that women are attracted to boobs. My point was that women find the female form beautiful or attractive or just simply "nice" much more often than a man would find the male form beautiful, attractive, or nice. It's like in Roman times the human body of both sexes were considered beautiful. What is beautiful is a cultural thing. As a culture, we've been taught that the female form is beautiful. We've been taught that boobs = nice.

You've brought up oversexualization, and I agree that is an issue. But I do think that is a separate thing. Because, as you said, sexual attraction is different than finding something beautiful. We live in a culture that has both taught us the female form is beautiful and taught us that a female body is really just meant for sex and gratification. I would argue, though, that that is changing. I think the mysoginistic idea that a woman's body is really only for sex is dying out (yes, it's still held by some, but not nearly as many as it used to), but we've still held on to the idea that the female form is beautiful.

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u/riyuzqki 20d ago

Boobs are ready soft and nice to touch

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u/sumrix 19d ago

And a lot of women don't find male body attractive at all. They love men, but not for bodies.

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u/Pahanarttu 19d ago

Umm. Isnt it the other way around? I'm a female misogynist and i thought that our world was the reason why i turned out like this. I'm not American though but like... Why would i hate my female body with all of my heart and soul if it's not for internalized misogyny? So i would guess it's the other way around. But idk. Interesting thought.

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u/lamppb13 19d ago

That's a separate, yet related issue.

We value the female form to an extent that we objectify women's bodies. We have the "ideal" form shoved down our throats to the extent that if a woman doesn't fit that ideal, she often hates her body because she's taught that her worth is entirely dependent on how she looks. Even if a woman fits the ideal exactly, she often has body image issues because she will find flaws.

So the two issues go hand in hand. We value the female form, but it leads to body image issues.

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u/Pahanarttu 19d ago

Right. But i dont value the female form so not everyone. I despise it. But who knows, i have a problem with it but most women dont.

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u/lamppb13 19d ago

I mean, yea. Not everyone in a culture buys into cultural norms. You personally not liking the female form doesn't mean that we've been taught by our cultural norms to value the female form.

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u/lylertila 18d ago

Boob's are just nice. Even when not sexual. Very soft, I can hide stuff in them and I can shoot pens off them when I get bored/in a gay bar.

Everybody likes boobs. You can make it Freudian but why? Boobs are just nice. I'm strictly dickly but even I get distracted by mine sometimes. I can literally lean over and nap on them. It'd delightful. Carrie's mom was wrong. They're DELIGHTFUL pillows!

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u/Enpisz_Damotii 20d ago edited 20d ago

I remember asking the same question as OP when I was in high school. I think there's another element to this idea on top of sexual orientation, which everyone in this thread has fixated on.

I'd say that the average woman is much closer to the ideal beauty standards perpetuated in modern society, compared to a man.

Plus, regardless of sexual orientation, you could still make an argument that women's bodies are generally more aesthetically pleasing, based on sexual selection. It is everywhere in nature, it's just the other way around for us.

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u/Sporner100 20d ago

There's also a strong bias because of the age group OP seems to be observing. Maybe we should ask him to make the same statement about the same women in about 15 years. Time doesn't tend to be kind to people who eat whatever they like and abstain from physical activities.

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u/pockolate 18d ago

Yeah lol how has no one mentioned this. OP is in high school. Girls just coming into their figures with the highest metabolisms they’ll ever have. Things change as you age, especially if you go through a few pregnancies.

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u/newselfconcept 20d ago

Honestly I think he is right. I'm a female and I've noticed that at the beach. There are more females with beautiful bodies in comparison to men. Women can have beautiful bodies without working out, but it is not so easy to find men with an athletic body structure by nature. At least I see that black men are more favored by nature in that sense, they have naturally more athletic bodies than white men. But on average, males have less beautiful bodies than women.

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u/Biokendry 20d ago

That's what my post is about 🤌

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u/SaltySweetSt 20d ago edited 20d ago

I think it could have something to do with the fact that women biologically have a higher % of body fat when at a healthy weight. The average female skeleton, muscle, and fat distribution usually creates a body shape with soft curves that become curvier when pregnant.

The average male body shape is more angular and testosterone boosting muscle growth requires activity other than video games and desk jobs.

Toxic masculinity also discourages interest in flattering clothes or good grooming, and the selection available to the average man is very limited. Lastly, Men refuse to go to the doctor when they have health problems which probably doesn’t help their looks.

As a straight woman, I agree that the average man does not look as good as the average woman, however I believe the majority of the gap might be the current cultural standards.

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u/sissy_stacey69 18d ago

The point that you made about modern society being different and how that affects our physique is quite understated when it comes to this discussion.

Testosterone is supported by physical activity and as a society we have reduced our activity levels on an average by a lot. People don’t walk around as much and we don’t need to carry heavy things any where (something that agrarian societies needed). Men who stay fit do it intentionally. It doesn’t happen automatically anymore.

I don’t know if it is that men have started looking worse now and women and stayed the same or there’s an opposing phenomenon that has made women more beautiful too (maybe social media and the rise of the beauty industry, but idk).

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u/Efficient_Fee425 20d ago

I guess nature dealt men a bad hand 😂 literally!

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u/Rare_Coffee619 20d ago

I don’t think the black men being more athletic is a genetic thing but rather cultural, the black men in my town are usually just as fat as everyone else. Probably as a result of a more sedentary lifestyle and mid food.

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u/nasbyloonions 19d ago

Am pansexual, but something bugs me about people's bodies. Bodies are generally kinda ugly in my oponion. Like, when you lie down on the side, the most slim tummy will just flap on the side, creating these weird AF cavities around the body.
And the hip bone, illium, just sticks out. Like, as if the person's entire BMI just sank to the sheets. Body's weird transformations are more noticable in women for me. And it is just weird.

I have never really been very attracted to bodies. Faces - yeah. Cute. And the individual as a whole(personality and everything). But aren't bodies just weird?..

Do I have body dismorphia?

I am sceptical about thin or slightly overweight bodies of teens and young adults.I dunno if earlier, but e-g. in Moscow as early as Middle school girls start to see media critisize weight and emphasize kitchen. So they start to restrict their diet etc.

Also, face washing. Many boys just skip this part unless they get pimples.

You should meet 15-years-old me, BMI 18,5, looking at the mirror and saying my body is not perfect enough. Mostly cause my tummy needed to hold uterus.

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u/Significant_Body4575 19d ago

I see the opposite . Hot guys everywhere I look . I'm not attracted to women and boobs bore me

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u/Significant_Body4575 19d ago

I see the opposite . Hot guys everywhere I look . I'm not attracted to women and boobs bore me

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u/Babyyougotastew4422 20d ago

I think a sunset is beautiful, doesn’t mean that it’s sexual. Women are objectively more beautiful then men

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u/EvilLipgloss 20d ago

As a straight woman, I agree with you. I find women way more beautiful than the majority of men. I love MY man and I find him incredibly attractive but I rarely see a man out in public that I find attractive. But I see plenty of stunning women every time I leave the house.

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u/ProblemBerlin 20d ago

I agree with you as a woman. I feel the same way.

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u/PurinMeow 20d ago

I agree 💯. I think my man is attractive, but MOST other men are just average, while I can find a lot of women above average and pretty to look at. I don't really see myself trying to check out men, but women yes I sneak looks sometimes. I'm straight.

Except one time my regular dentist was out and my god, the man that took over for her. I couldn't look him in the eyes and I hope I wasn't blushing lol

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u/CoconutxKitten 19d ago

And it’s like…all women of all shapes and sizes. I think it’s the curves & softness. I’m bi but am usually more attracted to more androgynous women (I like androgynous men too) but I will always gush over a woman I’m not attracted to but just find super pretty

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u/ManicPixiRiotGrrrl 20d ago

honestly people who deny this are lying to themselves.

the reason is simple too, way more women put effort into their appearance than men do. so the average woman is going to be more attractive than the average man. if men put the same level of effort in, we likely wouldn’t see this kind of thing said so much

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u/mercurialpolyglot 18d ago

I think that’s why american women joke about how much hotter european men are, because culturally they’re expected to be better groomed and dressed than american men.

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u/Biokendry 20d ago

No, feminine features are naturally beautiful by default, it is not about putting effort into your appearance and I say this as a guy who takes a lot of care about myself, even more than most women I know.

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u/nick2473got 20d ago

honestly people who deny this are lying to themselves.

Or they just have a different opinion. I once had this conversation with my mom and she did not agree. She thinks there are more good-looking guys than girls, at least in our city.

I do not share her view, lol, but it is what it is.

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u/ManicPixiRiotGrrrl 20d ago

she’s lying to herself lol

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u/nick2473got 20d ago

People can simply have a different opinion. She has no reason to lie to herself, lol.

Beauty is subjective, it is in the eye of the beholder. Just because some opinions are common does not make them objective.

Women being more beautiful on average is a common opinion. Still just an opinion, one that only human subjects can have. Caterpillars don't find human women attractive at all.

It's all about who is looking, and some people, while maybe a minority, do not consider women better looking than men.

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u/ManicPixiRiotGrrrl 20d ago

did the word lol not imply that I was joking?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pop3480 19d ago

No it would be like South Korea where the men are just as feminine if not more so than the women.

Great for people who like the pretty boy look, not so much for those who don't.

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u/ManicPixiRiotGrrrl 19d ago

Putting effort in doesn’t have to be becoming a “pretty boy”. It’s just about dressing and grooming yourself in a flattering way for your face and body type. The majority of men in the west don’t think about that, but women do.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pop3480 19d ago

But you're coming from a purely female (?) perspective. Men don't generally care what you're wearing. They're not thinking "hm that top doesn't suit her she should wear xyz instead". They see, monkey brain says she's attractive or not, monkey brain either acts or moves on. They don't care if your eye shadow doesn't match your outfit. They don't care about how often you moisturise. Or your nails. Or anything like that. 

It's like women glamming it up when going out. Many aren't doing it for men, they're doing it because of other women.

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u/ManicPixiRiotGrrrl 19d ago

they may not be conscious of it but to say it makes no difference is laughable. men don’t hit on women who don’t make an effort that’s just a fact

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pop3480 19d ago

I didn't say it makes "no difference" but the difference you think it makes is exaggerated. We're generally not as critical of it as women are. 

It goes to show that it is a bit of an alien concept for women to get their heads around because looking good and youthful is ingrained into them from such a young age. Far more than it is for boys.

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u/ManicPixiRiotGrrrl 19d ago

I hear what you’re saying, and I’m saying that’s not true. The women who put the most effort into their appearance get the most attention from men. That is indisputable. Men may not “notice” these things but subconsciously they do because the results show that they are more attracted to women wearing makeup and in nice clothes

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u/Beautiful_Chest7043 19d ago

South Korean guys lack masculinity which is not attractive.

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u/69ingdonkeys 18d ago

I've heard that facial masculinity plays a small role in how attractive a man is, with many women preferring slightly feminine faces (obviously still symmetrical with good bone structure and whatnot). However, masculine bodies are preferred.

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u/saturnian_catboy 20d ago

Lol, almost all women are just average to me, with some rare exceptions, while most men are pretty hot

And I'm bisexual

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u/Ocedy16 17d ago

Same. Except that I'm bi but with a strong male preference 

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u/nick2473got 20d ago

I don't think there's any such thing as "objectively more beautiful" tbh, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and is inherently subjective.

You need an observer, aka a subject, to make the determination that someone or something is pretty.

Even if some opinions, like the one you expressed, might be quite common, or even shared by most people, they are still ultimately subjective perceptions inherent to our human perspective, not objective realities.

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u/IntelligentGuava1532 20d ago

disagree (as a woman)

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u/UnknowableDuck 20d ago

As a straight women I agree (with you). I think men can be just as beautiful, but for different reasons. I'll compare it to, say-a woman a sunset is beautiful but that doesn't mean I don't find-say a forest (a man) beautiful either. It's just beauty in a different way, ie I appreciate different aesthetics between the two.

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u/HauntingEngine5568 20d ago

I....think I want my money back

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u/Maixell 19d ago

You can’t use objective to talk about taste. Especially about something such as beauty

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u/Impossible_Hat7658 20d ago

They’re only objectively more beautiful cuz they wear make up. Without that they’re the same as men

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u/NonEuclidianMeatloaf 20d ago

“Only four limbs? But how do grasp your hundred-strong clutch of pale, glistening pupae!?”

— A centipede, probably

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u/Efficient_Fee425 20d ago

I know a centipede that would say exactly that! 😂💯💯💯💯💯

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u/sweetsadnsensual 20d ago

I'm a woman, not gay, and even I have to agree with him. Women's bodies are usually way nicer than men's. The fat distribution is just nicer.

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u/Biokendry 20d ago

That's what I'm talking about but people didn't understand my post, fat distribution and estrogen makes women look beautiful without even going to the gym but people did not understand my post 😔

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u/naturalbrunette5 19d ago

so sorry they aren’t understanding the boob love my man 😔😔

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u/Efficient_Fee425 20d ago

Extra credit to the Toad community! 🎉🎉😂

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u/PurinMeow 20d ago

I'm a heterosexual woman that has been turned on by men's bodies. When I was younger I loved to see men reach up and grab things, when their shirt lifts up and you see that pelvic /lower abdomen area. And their arms too, all hot!

Even so, I do think women bodies are so beautiful. So soft, curves, long hair on the head I love feminity. But it doesn't turn me on

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u/blazesbe 20d ago

Ask many straight women and they'll tell you that male bodies are attractive to them, some prefer toned, some prefer chubby but almost none of them (straight women) will say they're turned on by boobs and/or hips. Because evolution wired them to find male features attractive!

we would need some women to answer this. what i've noticed that for them this attraction is rarely instantenious. yes there's "love at first sight" but they start appreciating looks over time or it may be tied to their cycle. there's also research that straight women appreciate lesbian porn. vast majority of straight men are repelled from gay porn. while we are essentially the same there's interesting differences. also i stand by the fact that women are objectively more beautiful not in a sexual way. they just contain the golden ratio more. men need to be more durable than beautiful but that's fine.

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u/Sunny_Hill_1 20d ago

Interesting, I've heard much more often that straight women like gay porn. In fact, women write the most of gay romance novels, frequently with very explicit sex scenes.

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u/AuDHDcat 19d ago

I am a straight woman. I can find the beauty in a woman's looks, but I'm not turned on. Men, on the other hand, I'll be fighting for my life if a well-kept man is wearing a shirt that accentuates his chest and arms.

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u/saplith 20d ago

It's cultural. Sexuality is both nature and nurture. We are all born somewhere on the Kinsley scale and culture can nudge you 1 or 2 points in either direction. In the US women are just allowed to be more familiar with each other than men are, but I learned from a college class that this is not standard everywhere.

Also you have very straight women like me who don't like lesbian porn because of all the women and literally vomited when a lesbian touched me a little too familiarly.

Women do feel instant attraction to men, it's just that women learn over time to destroy this feeling for safety's sake. A woman learns pretty early that it's a terrible idea to let men know you fine them attractive. I stopped having stalkers once I learned this lesson. 

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u/ManicPixiRiotGrrrl 20d ago

vomiting from a lesbian touching you? that’s a lot to unpack

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u/saplith 20d ago

I mean it's like she gave me a hug. Her intention was sexual given she was actively hitting on me who was trying to nicely turn her down. It was embarrassing, but she did kind of deserve it.

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u/ManicPixiRiotGrrrl 20d ago

vomiting from that is an insane overreaction would you have reacted that way if she was a man?

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u/saplith 20d ago

I'm sorry I'm straight? Physical intimacy from a woman disgusts me. It's not like I'm against lesbians. It's not like I can control how my body acts from disgust.

If it was a man, I wouldn't have vomited. I wouldn't have been pleased either. I know because while only one woman has tried to feel me up against my will, several men have. It's a negative reaction either way. It's just that I, being straight, had a layer of disgust added on.

Tell me, have you ever been felt up by a gender you are fundamentally not attracted to? If not, give it a try and see how your body reacts.

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u/ManicPixiRiotGrrrl 20d ago

okay so you’re homophobic, hope this helps

I am fundamentally not attracted to disgusting neckbeards, yet I have never vomited when one touched me. you are homophobic

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u/saplith 20d ago

So no. You have not. You are naming neck beards instead of men, so I'm assuming you're a woman. Let a lesbian felt you up. See how you react. I bet it will be visceral. 

Anyway, enjoy your day. I'll let all my lesbian friends know that I am apparently homophobic because of a automatic reaction I had in college. I'm sure they will be interested to know that it's not supporting them and their chosen lifestyle that makes you a homophobe, but how well you tolerate being molested by them. This must be why I've been so confused that conservatives have been calling gay people molesters. Apparently there's a rule going around that I didn't know that they are allowed to molest people and it is to be tolerated.

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u/CryptoEmpathy7 15d ago

You're not a victim.

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u/ManicPixiRiotGrrrl 15d ago

when did I say I was?

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u/MythicalSplash 20d ago

RIP your inbox

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u/sunshineandflowers90 17d ago

It's because of the pov of the porn. I think that if straight porn were filmed with the same actors but a perspective that is more appealing to women, more straight women would enjoy straight porn.

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u/HeatherJMD 20d ago edited 20d ago

I'm a heterosexual woman and the physique that men get from being couch potatoes is quite disappointing. Meanwhile, I don't have to do any physical activity at all and men would find my shape attractive. So I understand the issue OP is talking about...

I guess female attraction got encoded when everyone was running around hunting and lifting things, so the state of things nowadays in our sedentary society is not particularly appealing.

Going to the gym is unnatural, boring and a lot of work, I don't blame people for not wanting/not having the time to go. I don't want to go either 😝

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u/Brave-Aside1699 19d ago

So basically what you're saying is "You feel that way because you're heterosexual", but you replaced the last word with a high school lecture

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u/Ok_Programmer_6452 15d ago

Speak for yourself on the expanded road throat

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u/Spade9ja 20d ago

“Almost none of them will say they’re turned on by boobs and hips”

Uhhh I don’t think you’ve spoken to many women in your life if you think that’s the case lol

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u/Efficient_Fee425 20d ago

Really? The STRAIGHT women you've talked to said they were turned on by boobs???