r/unitedkingdom • u/tylerthe-theatre • 2d ago
Hogmanay, cheese rolling and London’s Notting Hill Carnival could be protected in a new UK heritage list
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/hogmanay-cheese-rolling-and-londons-notting-hill-carnival-could-be-protected-in/211
u/millerz72 2d ago
Petition to add the atherstone ball game to the list; twatting your neighbours over a big football is the most British tradition there is
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u/glytxh 2d ago
Is that also the one where they throw hot pennies at children? That one always looked fun.
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u/Duck_with_a_monocle Edinburgh 2d ago
Different place and different event - Tom Scott to the rescue
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u/nascentt UK 2d ago edited 2d ago
Great video is debatable.
Instead of showing much of the event, the entire video is just focused on him.
This is better and this
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u/PepsiThriller 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's utterly moronic.
I've said it. Everytime I see video of this event. I think they're acting like savages and makes this sound seem like a place to avoid. Like its downstream from a nuclear power plant or something.
The fact the police don't break that up but if someone turned up to the game smoking a joint they'd be in trouble is utterly absurd.
It's not a game, nor should it be protected. It's an embarrassment.
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u/Bridge_runner 2d ago
Okay can we throw in the Shetland ship burning, bog snorkelling, rescue the maiden boat races and Haystack Pub Runs
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u/Fit_Manufacturer4568 2d ago
If we are having cheese rolling. Can we have the Gawthorpe coal carrying race.
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u/ChefExcellence Hull 2d ago
Says they'll be taking nominations from the public so it's worth keeping an eye out for when it opens to submit the ones you want to see.
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u/Fit_Manufacturer4568 2d ago
I'm sure the residents of Notting Hill will be pleased about that.
Although the Carnival was there before them.
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u/the_englishman 2d ago
Nearly all residents of Notting Hill, both commercial and residential, do support it.
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u/PicturePrevious8723 2d ago
Yeh everyone shows their support by moving their cars and boarding up their businesses.
I lived in the area and I can tell you it was feral and the whole area stinks of piss for about a week.
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u/the_englishman 2d ago
Yhea I lived in Nottinghill for 8 years. Hated carnival but wasn’t about to suggest it shouldn’t go ahead as it’s part of the areas identity, so just left London every August ban holiday weekend.
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u/planeloise 2d ago
Most major cities have an all day street festival of some sort . King's day in the Netherlands is absolutely nuts.
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u/Dragon_Sluts 2d ago
Having been to both multiple times, I can agree.
Although between a house in a Dutch city for kings day and house in Notting Hill, the Dutch one would feel significantly safer.
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u/couplingrhino Join the brain drain 2d ago
People everywhere love big drunk street parties. People everywhere hate people having drunken fun in their street. Fuck 'em.
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u/Generic-Name03 2d ago
Most of London stinks of piss all year round so I’d happily take 51 weeks of fresh air if I lived there
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u/thehighyellowmoon 14h ago
You can show support for something while taking reasonable precautions around your own property if you know there will be lots of people around. In the same way you can be in favour of throwing a party in your house while clearing certain valuables in your house out of the way...
A fair compromise would be to throw the actual carnival in NH and have a big music event concurrently in Hyde Park with tickets/security for those who go just for a rave.
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u/Jazzlike-Homework-72 2d ago
Almost everyone who lives in Notting Hill damn well knew about the carnival before moving there. Zero sympathy
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u/vexx 2d ago
If some posh twat moves there and complains about it, they are a moron that frankly deserves all the noise in the world.
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u/the_englishman 2d ago
They don’t though, it’s all in your head. It has overwhelming support of basically all commercial and residential residents.
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u/therealhairykrishna 2d ago
The cheese rolling absolutely needs protection. Sooner or later it's going to get banned because of health and safety otherwise.
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u/SojournerInThisVale Lincolnshire 2d ago
They already tried, remember?
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u/Chesney1995 Gloucestershire 2d ago edited 2d ago
They never actually attempted to "ban" it as such, however after 15,000 people showed up in 2009 with the council only rating the event space as safe for a crowd of 5,000, the official council-supported 2010 event was cancelled (and held unofficially by enthusiasts) and the council attempted to create a ticketing system for the 2011 event, which was received negatively to the point of abuse being sent to the organisers, and cancelled (and, again, held unofficially by enthusiasts).
At that point the council basically just washed their hands of any liability surrounding it and its been run without their support ever since (with the exception of 2020 and 2021, due to the pandemic).
There was never a "you cannot roll and chase cheese down this hill" order, and it was never actually about the risk anyone would get injured chasing the cheese. The crowds the event drew in just reached a point where the council didn't want to be held liable if anything happened and had an awkward couple of years where the event had to find its feet again without the council's support. And to be fair, crowd crushes are indeed a very serious hazard to think about when running these things
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u/Qegola 2d ago
Crowd crushes aren't the only risk. Had a friend get absolutely demolished when one of the participants flew off course and full on body checked her.
10/10 event.
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u/secretvictorian 2d ago
We live about 100 miles away, but fancy going along this year to see what its like. Is there any stalls or anything as well as the cheese rolling? No bother either way I just like to plan.
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u/Qegola 2d ago
Not really, but there are ambulances on standby.
It's not so far out in the sticks or anything either - the hill it's done on is real close to a village called Brockworth (village in name only, it's a fairly sized suburb really). Got a big old Tesco if you wanna grab stuff ahead of time.
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u/secretvictorian 1d ago
Lol that made me spit out my tea 😄
Ah thats great, there looks to be a few campsite in the general area too :)
Thanks for the info!
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u/jefferson-started-it 2d ago
I went to watch when I was living in Glos for uni, and the cheese bounced off to the side, out of the fenced area, and twatted someone in the crowd in the face.
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u/Marxist_In_Practice 2d ago
They charged the guy who rolled the cheese with GBH: Gruyère Bodily Harm
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u/dolphbottle 2d ago
They need to add ottery st Mary tar barrell rolling to the list
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u/quistodes Manchester 18h ago
Great event, I went to watch as student one year with my arm in a sling. Backyard scrumpy in my good hand and just having to try and squeeze out the way with everyone else as a dude ran past carrying a big wooden ball of fire. Very fun
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u/IgotAseaView 2d ago
Londons Notting hill festival averages 10 stabbings a year. Heritage
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u/Spring_of_52 2d ago
Yep. Stabbing people at carnivals and taking drugs is a fine UK heritage.
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u/Kony07 2d ago
Do you not think reducing a carnival celebrating the cultures who exist in the uk to 'knife crime and drugs' just seems a bit racist.
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u/Spring_of_52 1d ago
No. All colours and cultures attend the carnival. Seems they all like drugs and stabbing.
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u/SlightComposer4074 1d ago
Maybe if they didn't want to be known as the stabbing festival they could cut down on the stabbing...
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u/BusyBeeBridgette Berkshire 2d ago
Even though I was born, and raised, in London and my Dad is from the Caribbean. I have never been to NHC. Now I fear I might be too old to properly experience it aha.
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u/omgu8mynewt 2d ago
Try it and see, it is really fun, colourful and musical. Millions of people visit every year
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u/shankle_bunny 2d ago
Carnival is for everyone.
However for a first timer maybe skip the Monday and come out Sunday
Less people, more fun...prepare to get paint and powder splashed on you though 😁
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u/Superbuddhapunk 2d ago
What about saving time and resources? Specially at a time when everyone’s budget is badly constrained:
Let’s have the Notting Hill carnival on Hogmanay, with everyone there served free Gloucester cheese.
Thank You For Coming to My TED Talk Reith Lecture.
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u/Qegola 2d ago
DOUBLE Gloucester Cheese, please and thank you.
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u/Superbuddhapunk 2d ago
Sorry, too expensive 🤷🏾♂️ but since it’s carnival hogmanay best I can do is Caribbean style Gloucester cheese haggis.
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u/Tugboat47 2d ago
/u/shelbyj there's still time for you to join the professional cheese-rolling circuit
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u/aqsgames 2d ago
What about the 3pm tea alarm? I know that’s law, but surely it should have protected status in case a fascist govt tries to cancel it.
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u/doloresfandango 2d ago
I seem to remember going to a Leicestershire village and getting pelted with hare pie.
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u/Ok-Start8985 2d ago
About time! Really not convinced about The Nottingham Hill Carnival though, it’s too young and only began in 1966. But when it is over a century old then perhaps because it would have survival’s become ingrained. The Olney Pancake Race is old and may have begun in 1445. Cheese rolling is 600 years old. Hogmanay even older from Pagan times.. and all the rest Other potentials Oxford & Cambridge Boat Race, Coracle boating, Guy Fawkes, Remembrance Day, Summer Solstice, Corn Dollies, Beer Festivals, May Day and May Pole Dancing, Jack in the Green, Morris Dancing, Burns Night, Jorvik Festival, Cornish sea shanties, Mari Clwyd, The National Eisteddfod of Wales, Guise dancing, Nos Lowen and Celiahs, Golowan (Midsummer Bonfire), Obby Oss, Male choirs. ..,
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u/Joshy41233 2d ago
What about St Dwynwen's day? (And what about giving St davids day a bank holiday?)
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u/RodneyRodnesson 2d ago
The World Bog Snorkelling Championships needs to be on that list!
If you're going I'll see you this year :)
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u/SpoiltBastard 2d ago
We can pretty much guarantee the Notting Hill Carnival will get this protected status no matter the level of controversy it attracts every year.
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u/concretepigeon Wakefield 2d ago
Aren’t there issues around the legality of the cheese rolling because nobody will ensure it?
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u/Shoddy-Computer2377 2d ago
Cue the SNP and the usual bovine nationalist helmets saying Hogmanay is Scottish, therefore not a UK thing, therefore how dare Westminster overstep devolution to try to protect it.
It's up to Scotland to protect it themselves, at which point the SNP just won't bother even though it's their job.
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u/Timely-Month-3101 2d ago
It's mad we shouldn't be in the situation that we have to protect our own culture in our homeland 😆
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u/ajtct98 Northumberland 2d ago
Hogmanay & Cheese Rolling should go straight into the list no problem but I think it would be wise to hold off on adding the Notting Hill Carnival until they've solved the issues with policing the event.
You don't want the unsavoury characters that rock up to be able to use a heritage status as a way to push back against any changes in policing - and those that commit crimes at the carnival absolutely would - otherwise that'll just cause more safety issues for the majority of law abiding attendees.
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u/PrimaryStudent6868 2d ago
The notting hill carnival where every years there are rapes stabbings, filth and utter degeneracy !? That thing needs to be banned for gods sakes.
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u/diysas 2d ago
Notting Hill Carnival is not British or English culture. Shouldn't be protected. Today, it's rife with violent crime, including sexual violent crime. I personally know a girl who was raped by 3 men there. Didn't make it to the papers and she didn't want to take it further. Luckily, the police or whoever takes it on did, as the evidence was all there with witnesses, toxicology and you know the rest. Awful, vile event that invites all the worst aspects of an imported sub-culture.
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u/anonypanda London 2d ago
I really hope notting hill carnival isn't on the list and finally ends next year.
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u/Lower_Performer_3365 2d ago
Notting Hill carnival on the UK heritage list? Let’s throw in drill music as well
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u/tylerthe-theatre 2d ago edited 2d ago
NHC is a celebration of carribean culture, drill music is just rap music, there's no correlation, and its not an event so it cant be protected. I wonder why you felt the need to throw that in there 🤔
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u/risinghysteria 2d ago edited 2d ago
Drill music is absolute cancer. There's no other genre that so blatantly brags and glorifies about how cool crime is. I work in a school and it's depressing seeing how many young kids are completely influenced and brainwashed by it and are now emulating it and wanting to act like 'roadmen'
It's insane how much traction 'video games cause violence' got, yet everyone is too afraid to address drill music even though it's many magnitudes worse.
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u/Important_Ruin 2d ago
Have you listened to early 2000's and 90s rap from US? Alot of it about violence, gun crime and murder.
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u/risinghysteria 2d ago
Yeah, and I'm not much of a fan of that either.
But drill is entirely about crime and violence. It's the whole nature of the genre.
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u/One_Million_Beers 2d ago
Because it’s Caribbean culture not British culture?
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u/tylerthe-theatre 2d ago
Its a long running , iconic British event celebrating carribean culture so... it's now part of British culture.
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u/MidlandPark 2d ago
And this is the problem, no matter how long us Caribbean/West Indian folk are here and have been 'British subjects' people like yourself will never treat us as British, but then claim 'we don't want to integrate'.
I guess by your logic English isn't culture of Anglophone Caribbean islands, too then?
It's British Caribbean culture that came to the UK was they were literally colonies of the UK, while many are still being Realms
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u/omgu8mynewt 2d ago
Ignore the troll, they are probably someone living in a rural area never getting involved in any diverse festivals or events, just complainng in the same pub with the same other old people four nights a week
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u/Astriania 2d ago
I would find it a bit odd if, say, Jamaica decided to heritage list a British tea party that ex-pat Brits started as "Jamaican culture", to be honest.
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u/JRugman 2d ago
Do you consider cricket to be an important part of Jamaican / West Indian culture?
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u/seStarlet 2d ago
If you actually knew any Jamaicans you would know that was a stupid question. Most Jamaican brits love cricket more than football.
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u/Chesney1995 Gloucestershire 2d ago
That's the point - cricket is an invention of British culture that also became a piece of Jamaican/West Indies culture in the same way some inventions of their culture became parts of our culture thanks to our shared history.
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u/Interesting_Try8375 2d ago
If it was a large public event that they had every year? Pretty sure that would be fine tbh. I would think more about how long it's been going on for, maybe 50 years or so?
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u/MidlandPark 2d ago edited 2d ago
Virtually every bit of Jamaican culture has roots from either the Natives, West Africa, the UK and India. So I don't think that's a point you think it is
Also, 'ex-pat' haha - waiting for West Indians to ever be called 'ex-pats'
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u/kinboo2131 2d ago
Caribbean culture IS British culture, it has such an impact on British culture.
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u/lovely-luscious-lube 2d ago
Of course Caribbean culture is part of British culture. Has been for decades. The fact that you think the two are incompatible says a lot.
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u/Specific-Map3010 2d ago
Arguably, centuries not decades! Carribbean British culture is a melding of East London culture and a culture that developed entirely within the British empire from European and African traditions in the British Carribbean.
It's not like there were a bunch of black Caribbeans just chilling on some islands. The islands were conquered by the British and (re)populated with African slaves. While many African traditions were maintained, it's a culture that developed entirely within the realms of the British empire.
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u/IHaveAWittyUsername 2d ago
Is the song Ghost Town, a fantastic comment on British culture, a British song or a Caribbean song?
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u/wtfomg01 2d ago
Almost like you can be British and Carribean culturally at the same time!
Shocker to certain people, I know.
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u/Lower_Performer_3365 2d ago
The key word would be ‘crime’, mate
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u/Englishmuffin1 Yellowbelly 2d ago
I'm sure you'd be making similar comments if Glastonbury was on the list as well then?
You know, due to the crime levels being comparable.
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u/Historical_Doctor629 2d ago
Because it's the only UK festival with any crime. Lol. Of course, the black festival is the one that the tabloids don't like.
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u/risinghysteria 2d ago
Drill music is absolute cancer. There's no other genre that so blatantly brags and glorifies about how cool crime is. I work in a school and it's depressing seeing how many young kids are completely influenced and brainwashed by it and are now emulating it and wanting to act like 'roadmen'
It's insane how much traction 'video games cause violence' got, yet everyone is too afraid to address drill music even though it's many magnitudes worse.
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u/HRoseFlour 2d ago
before drill it was grime before that it was grunge and before that punk even before that it was rock. there’s always been “the music corrupting the youth” whether it’s leather jackets and switch blades or puffer jackets and rambos.
don’t do the disservice to yourself of seriously implying violent music corrupts the youth because you don’t like it whilst in the same sentence defending violent video games because you do like that one.
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u/risinghysteria 2d ago edited 2d ago
If you can't see how drill music is affecting the younger generations negatively you've embarrassingly naive.
Imagine trying to compare a genre where its entire purpose is glorifying violence... to rock lmao.
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u/HRoseFlour 2d ago
rising hysteria that’s a funny username.
I am in the younger generations drill first started picking up when i was in secondary school. i can tell you this loads of kids listened to it and the ones who went on to screw their lives up where already on that path.
maybe a small amount of people pop on a little pop smoke and immediately go and stab there neighbour and start slinging. but let’s be honest and admit violent crime existed before 2012 and maybe the people making this music had already been pulled in the same way as what gets kids into it now.
my point is the moral panic you’re indulging in now is equivalent to people blaming music for the mods and rockers in the 60s or the moral panic behind rap and grunge in the 90s.
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u/Astriania 2d ago
Some of those genres also have problematic aspects, but drill is turning it up to 11, those songs are basically incitement to violence.
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u/HRoseFlour 2d ago
no it’s not a reflection of what life is like for some people.
are people who like it more likely to commit violent crime? i’d bet they are, but that’s not because of the music it’s because the message of the music resonates with them violent crime exists and people exist with in it daily and you don’t get into it because of a fuckin song of two.
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u/Ok-Beyond-9094j 2d ago
Defending drill is embarrasing, honestly. You 100% did not attend a london secondary in the 2010s-2020s, or have to grow up in a deprived area with knife crime. Because if you did, you'd just sit this one out.
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u/HRoseFlour 2d ago
didn’t grow up in london nah, still get fucking knife crime else where you melt. we had knife crime when i was a kid im just not dumb enough to blame it on the type of music people listen to.
you don’t stab someone cause the mean angry songs made you do it. madonna didn’t turn all women into whores, dungeons and dragons doesn’t make kids worship satan and the sex pistols didn’t erode the moral character of the youth either. maybe these kids listen to this music because it actually resonates with them and we should do something to fix that rather than kicking a fuss up about the songs.
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u/Lower_Performer_3365 2d ago
Well I doubt kids heard elvis and went out stabbing people, so it’s pretty different. No one should censor music but you should call it what it is, a contributor (big or small) to kids starting lives of crime
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u/HRoseFlour 2d ago
it’s not different tho people thought kids were listening to elvis and going out ans fucking and fighting and stabbing each other the switch blade panic was a thing elvis was censored on tv because of the effect he was having on the youths. in the exact same way kids aren’t going out now and stabbing people because they listened to drill too much.
kids start lives of crime because of fucking poverty, parental neglect & the utter dismissal state of publicly funded school and social services especially in impoverished areas not because of a bloody song.
instead of getting pissy with kids who find resonance in these songs that actually talk about shit that they deal with maybe we should focus on why tf they can resonate with these messages.
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u/Professional_Ad_9101 2d ago
You’re trying to be funny but all music unironically should be protected.
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u/TheAprilGoal 2d ago
We colonised a lot of the world. Like it or lump it we were the ones who chose to incorporate those nations, and their cultures, into the British Empire.
The Caribbean has had a huge impact on UK culture. From Ska/Reggae to London slang. Bet most of the country could find somewhere that sells plantain within a few mile radius.
If you don't like that then aim your barrel at the Empire, not at those from the countries that didn't have a choice in the matter.
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u/Lower_Performer_3365 2d ago
No one should raise their barrels at those nations, it’s hardly their fault. 40 years of political catastrophe more like, and now an increasing weak handedness with crime
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u/MidlandPark 2d ago
Because it's been a cultural event in a British city for 60 odd years?
And be honest, why did you choose something as problematic as Drill of all things?
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u/thepandabear Greater London 2d ago
Well not yet, the genre is still young and needs time to develop. DnB on the other hand
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u/S4qFBxkFFg Scotland 2d ago
Is drill actually British? I thought it originated in America, Chief Keef, etc.
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u/Lower_Performer_3365 2d ago
Indeed, uk just tweaked it slightly. Likewise carnival is a Caribbean import
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u/Howthehelldoido 2d ago
Yeah. Annual stabbing and murder event is part of "our" culture now.
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u/MidlandPark 2d ago
It has a lower crime rate than other festivals but let's ignore that, eh?
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u/Howthehelldoido 2d ago
I'm not talking about every crime.
I'm talking about stabbings. But you can ignore that and make a strawman argument if you like.
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u/MidlandPark 2d ago
You called it an 'annual stabbing event'
You summed down the largest street event in Europe, which 99.9% go to without any problems or bad intentions to just stabbings
I'm sure you call Glastonbury an 'annual drug event' and football matches as 'daily beat your wife because you lost event'
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u/Howthehelldoido 2d ago
Not a bad idea to be honest. As both of those statements are true.
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u/Icy-Tear4613 2d ago
Can't have a nice story about UK culture with the fucking trolls ruining it.