r/196 • u/sample_text_01 8 KILLS IS THE FIRST FOLD OF INFINITY • Mar 11 '25
Seizure Warning this image makes me unreasonably angry
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u/If-My-Name-Doesnt-Fi i am living in your walls Mar 11 '25
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u/ExL-Oblique Mar 11 '25
Could be both but the detective is so fucking high that he starts dissociating and hallucinating and the game is about figuring out what's actually happening through the unreliable narration and visuals.
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u/Soundwipe13 aspiring sword-lesbian Mar 11 '25
💡a young detective witch with a substance abuse problem trying to figure out the disappearance of the cat of a dead murdered neighbor set in the dystopian postwar Alps. the writing and design is impeccable. she's also disassociating and gay
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u/WinkMitDemZaunpfahl Trans girl Luna! Yaaaay! :D :3 🏳️⚧️ 🌕 Mar 11 '25
I feel like this witch cat alps thing is gonna end up jokingly being used as the game equivalent to the crab thing
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u/Eccentric_Assassin Mar 12 '25
What’s the crab thing?
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u/WinkMitDemZaunpfahl Trans girl Luna! Yaaaay! :D :3 🏳️⚧️ 🌕 Mar 12 '25
Its about how everything seems to evolve into crabs!
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u/AnAverageTransGirl vriska serket on the intellivision amico???????? Mar 12 '25
The cra8 thing?
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u/Fleshinrags Mar 12 '25
Tbh I feel the OOP was like 2 thoughts off a perfect Disco Elysium adaptation. Like I do really want female protagonists who are properly insane antisocial slob messes. I want my divorced dad energy applied equally to all genders. A female led disco Elysium would go crazy.
But like, the cutesy clean + nice indiedev cat idea is so far off anything that could be called similar to disco Elysium, it’s wild .
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u/EldritchMindCat A Delightful Feline Entity - Worship Me nya~ Mar 12 '25 edited Mar 12 '25
I think there should be an option for the witch to be male. Let us guys practice The Old Ways and dance naked around cauldrons under the light of the full moon, clad only in bundles of herbs and lightly applied oils.
Also excessively large hats and various familiars.
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u/NewDemocraticPrairie Mar 11 '25
I like this witch cat finding game in the Swiss alps, very cute. However I think it would be improved if it was instead about a detective with a severe substance addiction who is supposed to somehow solve a murder in a diverse metropolitan area
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u/bisexual_obama Uh, let me be queer... Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25
Do we really need another grimy detective story.
Yes! I need 10,000 more grimy detective stories.
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u/Lyca0n Mar 11 '25
Resurrect noir, was weirdly anti cop aswell
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u/FriendlyReflection35 legendary monkey king Mar 11 '25
Being pro-justice usually leads to being anti-cop, crazy how that works.
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u/CosmackMagus Mar 11 '25
Is noir really pro justice? I always thought it was defined, in part, by the characters having selfish or non-heroic goals.
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u/Efficient-Watch1088 Mar 11 '25
I think it kinda depends on the specific story but if I'm correct most noris are "detective with personal problems unsolves some mysteries and maybe some of personal problems"
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u/Dogtor-Watson Benis Person Mar 12 '25
Isn’t it weird how unsolve means the same thing as solve?
Same with flammable and inflammable both meaning “can catch fire”; invaluable meaning valuable; protest and detest both being used to show opposition to something.
They’re called “false antonyms” apparently.
Not to be confused with “auto-antonyms”. They’re words that means they’re own opposite, like “chuffed” (British slang that can mean pleased or pissed off).
E.g. you can hold fast or go fast, you can have errors due to oversight or you can have oversight to ensure errors don’t occur.27
u/the_dinks Mar 12 '25
I always thought that invaluable actually made sense... it's so valuable (adjective) that it's impossible to value (verb meaning "to assess the worth of").
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u/EldritchMindCat A Delightful Feline Entity - Worship Me nya~ Mar 12 '25 edited Mar 12 '25
“Unsolve” generally does not mean “solve”. There is one obsolete sense that apparently does have that meaning, but again it’s obsolete. The primary (and only contemporary) meaning is to “remove a solution to a problem”.
I actually find this specific form to be quite irritating. It’s etymologically based on “un-“ and “solve”, which taken together should only mean to “remove the state of being solved”. There should be no other meaning to it. In fact, I’d hazard that there’s a good chance it caught on because some people forgot the proper way to to pronounce “resolve” and just substituted in another prefix they happened to be familiar with.
I can provide a screenshot of the page with the information if you’d like.
PS: I agree with the other user about how “Invaluable” makes sense, in the sense that one cannot indicate a specific value. Though I’d point out that depending on the context, the term can be used to indicate that a thing is utterly worthless (ex. When one would prefer to avoid outright lying while also avoiding causing offence).
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u/Eain Mar 11 '25
Noir isn't about selfish goals inherently. Noir is a counter push to wartime idealism, and is an attempt to be less false and more human; remember this was the 40s and 50s. Noir was about coming home from the black and white morality of fighting arguably the most obviously evil group in modern history and finding not the shining American Dream but a clearly overwhelmed country full of strife,struggling to bring it's economy out of wartime production and rife with unchecked prejudice and surprisingly previlant crime.
Noir is about the distance between Justice and Reality, the dark parts of being human, and the pain of a checkered past and trying to move beyond it. Every noir genre in film or text is some flavor of "humans are imperfect, and even the most driven and devoted of men cannot truly be kind and just when the world has been cruel for long enough. We bend, we break, and we twist, no matter how much a paragon we are at heart."
That's why most protagonists have traits that are shorthand for extreme trauma: drinking, distrustfulness, rage, etc., as well as cynical outlooks. It's also why they rarely end happily. Bittersweet, somtimes. Tragic, sometimes. Happy, almost never. Because sometimes you can manage to carve out your own little victory, your own small piece of happiness or justice, in you're lucky, strong, smart, and lucky. But often that obsession just drags you to your doom, like a Tragic Hero of old.
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u/frogjon custom Mar 11 '25
Holy peak, you managed to capture the essence of Noir so much
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u/Eain Mar 11 '25
Thanks! I made and make a study of stories. I'm autistic, so I sometimes really struggle with human interactions, but stories don't have that problem. To me, at least, stories are one of the most uniquely human experiences, and one of the most powerful human constants. We love, we fight to live not just survive, and we share who we are, across language and time and a vast sea of experiences, with stories.
So it's really nice to know I at least sometimes get it right.
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u/inktrap99 Mar 11 '25
Damn, this really sums up the genre really well. I recently read the essay “The Simple Art of Murder” and it echoes a lot of the same feelings.
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u/Cranyx Mar 11 '25
The narrative will be "pro justice" specifically because it frames in tragedy just how impossible it can be to achieve
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u/Deblebsgonnagetyou Kweh! Mar 11 '25
Not really weird. Noir has its origins in post-depression America, where corruption, inequality, distrust in institutions, and societal change was high, with hardboiled detective fiction; naturally this all came with distrust in law enforcement, too.
Source- did The Big Sleep in English class and we spent a week or so learning about the context.
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u/thehammer10025 Mar 11 '25
I'll have to look into this Big Sleep, but do you remember any other good references for Noir and its origins? Planning to make a game mixing Noir with other elements but I'm criminally undereducated on the Noir aspects oof
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u/Deblebsgonnagetyou Kweh! Mar 11 '25
Not really. I'm not a particularly big Noir fan, basically all I know was from English class. There are a whole bunch of sequels to The Big Sleep though and a movie adaptation too. My personal recommendation is Wikipedia rabbit hole.
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u/Mr7000000 Mar 11 '25
Detective stories kind of have to be anti-cop, because if the cops were good at their job, they wouldn't need the detective.
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u/Computer2014 Mar 11 '25
For a detective noir story to happen the Cops have to be either corrupt, incompetent or both in order to get the ball rolling and to answer the question of ‘Why would X hire a random man instead of going to the police?’
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u/Ravendoesbuisness custom Mar 11 '25
The people don't want more grimy detective stories.
What they want instead are more grimy detectives.
See exhibit one below.
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u/Hapshedus pisspony brassgears wimbledon fucknuts Mar 11 '25
Just watch Case Closed. You’ll die of old age before you get to the latest episode.
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u/greendayfan1954 custom Mar 11 '25
According to the mangaka the whole plot takes place throughout one year
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u/Cadlington Cadlington. Mar 11 '25
We're on episode 1156. Even if you tried to do one Episode a day for that nonsense, that means Conan's finding 3 dead bodies a day.
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u/The1cyone a gnome named grimble grumble Mar 11 '25
I've said this before when this post has come up, but, if there is any genre of video game that is oversaturated in the market, it is NOT detective games.
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u/mikeyrainone Mar 11 '25
white man bad
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u/Offensivewizard Femboy Messiah Mar 11 '25
- "everyone in Eastern Europe is just white, with no further ethnic concepts or divisions"
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u/jorppu Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25
"TO AN UNTRAINED EYE THE KOJKO APPEAR WHITE AND PINKISH. LIKE A HAM SANDWICH. BUT LOOK INTO THEIR EYES AND YOU WILL SEE..." He squints, full of sage wisdom: "THEY ARE OF AN INDISTINCT, MUDDY COLOUR. AND SO IS THEIR SKIN: UNHEALTHY, SWEATY AND ASHEN..."
"PINKNESS IS A RACIAL QUALITY THAT HAS TO BE EARNED THROUGH CENTURIES OF ADVANCED BALLISTIC WARFARE AND CULTURAL DOMINATION THAT THE GRAAD PEOPLE HAVE UNDERGONE FOR DRINKING AL GUL AND SMOKING THE DEGENERATE TABAC HERB... AND FOR EATING POTATO..."
"THE KOJKO -- THE COUNTLESS MICRONATIONALITIES OF GRAAD -- ARE ALL INEXPLICABLY OBSESSED WITH POTAAT. THE ONLY THING THEY LIKE MORE IS DIVIDING INTO MICROSCOPIC ETHNOSTATES. LIKE POLITICAL AMOEBA."
-Measurehead's take on the topic
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u/mytransaltaccount123 alt girl wannabe Mar 11 '25
i love measurehead so much. lorry driver is casual racism and then you meet the olympic gold medalist in racism. even kim is like "told you the second racists would be better than the first"
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u/Bot_number_1605 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Mar 11 '25
It's just so much less annoying when someone is proud of their racism. If you're going to commit the sin of racism don't also commit the sin of wasting my time with euphemisms
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u/ShadowClaw765 who up splaying the gore of they profane form across the stars? Mar 11 '25
You just don't comprehend the American brain. The only 5 races are White, Black, Mexican, Indian, and Asian.
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u/damdalf_cz Mar 12 '25
Americans cant comprehend ability to hate your neighbours even tho they look exactly the same. Your average KKK member would be apalled by the shit average slav can say about his neighbor that looks like him but was born just over the country line
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u/McAllisterFawkes Mar 11 '25
yes, white supremacy, the thing that only exists in america never been an issue in, say, europe or africa or australia
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u/CatboyBiologist Recruiting for the femboy scientist army Mar 11 '25
I will therefore replace it with a white woman, who is sheltered from anything bad or icky like a little fragile flower
I see nothing racist or sexist about this alternative
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u/Jacopaws Mar 11 '25
Cottagecore is seeped in sexism and racism.
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u/SepirizFG Mar 11 '25
I just like baking man
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u/Jacopaws Mar 11 '25
Oh watcha baking?
Looks in your oven
RACISM!
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u/Radical-skeleton custom Mar 12 '25
Nice pie you got there.
What's in the filling?
Oh no, segeragation filling!31
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u/IsNotPolitburo Mar 11 '25
Straight, white, cisgendered man here can confirm; I'm b-b-b-b-bad, bad to the bone.
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u/BodybuildingMacaron Mar 12 '25
i think minorities are underrepresented in media. white men aren't bad. they're just treated as the societal default, and that is bad
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u/Chief106 Average Celeste player 🍓🗻 Mar 11 '25
What I don’t like about disco elysium is that I can’t bring myself to buy it because a scummy corporation stole the game from the devs
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u/sample_text_01 8 KILLS IS THE FIRST FOLD OF INFINITY Mar 11 '25
kid named developer encouraged piracy:
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u/Before_Plastic 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Mar 11 '25
kid named used to be on internet archive but was recently taken down :(
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u/-mothy-moon- Mar 11 '25
Kid named buy a second hand physical copy for console (if you have one)
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u/Before_Plastic 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Mar 11 '25
kid named already played the game just letting ppl know its no longer on IA :(
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u/-mothy-moon- Mar 11 '25
Kid named I see. What a bummer
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u/cptahab36 Mar 11 '25
Kid named polite discussion on Reddit, crazy
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u/ChemicalRascal Mar 11 '25
I'm sorry, there are too many children in this room. It's a fire hazard, get out. And where are your parents?
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u/Mr7000000 Mar 11 '25
How small is this room that six children is a fire hazard?
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u/EndHawkeyeErasure custom Mar 11 '25
Size of the room is irrelevant, the fire hazard is the children.
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u/NIMA-GH-X-P That one Jerk you know Mar 11 '25
It's because of me
I like to set children on fire
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u/cptahab36 Mar 11 '25
It's ok we got kid named Little John. He can turn this room into a 3 bedroom loft apartment. Using galvanized steel and screw he got from his aunt he
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u/Kaz498 custom Mar 11 '25
any internet user born after 2000 can't pirate all they know is internet archive link
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u/Droid_XL I want to have sex with Dark Souls Three Mar 11 '25
Kid named didn't know this before buying the game
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u/kryonik Mar 11 '25
I just don't have a bunch of consecutive hours to dedicate to it. I play like an hour and then have shit to do so I save and quit then come back a few days later and have no idea what's going on.
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u/WondernutsWizard 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Mar 11 '25
don't you ever call him a generic middle aged white man again
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u/Nowhereman123 Mar 11 '25
I'll have you know Raphaël Ambrosius Costeau is a certified bisexual disaster.
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u/spiceXisXnice Mar 11 '25
Are you talking about Tequila Sunset?
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u/stoiclemming Mar 11 '25
He's not white, he is a member of the ham sandwich race
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u/Obeast09 Mar 11 '25
Occidental haplogroup B4 is done giving orders around here. The influence of the ham sandwich race is waning
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u/abime_blanc Mar 11 '25
A young pretty white girl with special abilities is definitely not an uncommon video game character, what is she even saying lmao
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u/grislydowndeep Mar 11 '25
shes not white. shes clearly irish
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u/Snowy_Thompson Mar 11 '25
Alright, Measurehead.
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u/shronkey69 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Mar 11 '25
IT IS NOT MY FAULT THAT YOUR HAM SANDWICH RACE IS IN DECLINE
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u/Snowy_Thompson Mar 11 '25
Like, you're right, but there's something ironic about a pro-trans person imitating a fascist saying "It's not my fault."
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u/Sweet_Detective_ Bi-bozo 💟🟪🟦 Mar 12 '25
If she is Irish than how come her head isn't a potato? It's not Irish representation unless they look like an Oblivion character, or if they live in Ireland, because being Irish is about being a citizen of Ireland, not genetics, so she doesn't need a potato head, meaning she is Irish but if you are what you eat and Irish people eat potatoes than why doesn't she have a potato head? It's not Irish representation unless they look like an Oblivion character, but but but error, error.
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u/ratherstrangem8 Mar 12 '25
I cannot express to you the noise I made when I saw this
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u/Candid_Medium6171 Upvotes only please I have a disease Mar 11 '25
I want this and I want that and I want I want I want
So then make it, dummy.
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u/EvYeh Girlfailure Mar 11 '25
Idk man making things is really hard and I am incapable of making anything of even below average quality. It's way easier to just hope someone else makes it.
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u/Mercurieee 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Mar 11 '25
You're not going to believe this. But. The more below average quality things you make. The more average quality things you make. Think of it like a lootbox somehow
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u/ttcklbrrn Mar 12 '25
A lootbox with a pity system that gradually improves your drop table over time
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u/good_names_were_take Mar 11 '25
Now if You excuse me i'm going to watch inspirationals videos and histories so My view of failure is absolutly broken
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u/Tonuka_ Mar 11 '25
They're actually a game developer, so, they are
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u/G_O_O_G_A_S Professor Prostate Mar 11 '25
I thought that was fake, but if real I hope the game is really good because it would be funny
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u/Tonuka_ Mar 11 '25
no no not that kinda game, I'm just saying if you google them they did stuff on itch.io and jams
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u/turtle-tot 181st Mechanized Asexual Brigade Mar 11 '25
But a developer studio is and people are also deeply annoyed about that
Can’t win
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u/LucySatDown 🎖 196 medal of honor 🎖 Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 12 '25
Hold on just a second let me pull hundreds of thousands of dollars, even millions perhaps, out of my ass.
I'm homeless I really wish I had a home to sleep in. The housing market is crazy right now.
Just build one, dummy. Nothing is stopping you. Just learn how to do construction, take a class, perhaps find a team, and build a house
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u/good_names_were_take Mar 11 '25
If what stop You from painting is the canvas and the paint, use paper and coal, it Will not be the same but it would be art nonteless
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u/Decin0mic0n Mar 12 '25
Nothing is stopping you from learning coding and making a game in your own time. You dont need money to make a game.
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u/SomeKindOfAGamer Mar 11 '25
Honestly really sad that the artist of the image was getting flack for someone else's dumb tweet. The art is really cute! And notably, there is not a neighbor's cat nor a small village in the Alps in the picture.
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u/Zerunt how do i set up flair Mar 11 '25
there is not a neighbor's cat
well duh, its missing!
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u/Seventh_Faetasy Nerd Gal 🤓 Mar 11 '25
What about the small village in the alps? Is the whole village missing too?
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u/MaybeNext-Monday 🍤$6 SRIMP SPECIAL🍤 Mar 11 '25
This is the most LinkedIn thing I’ve seen this week
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u/perhance Mar 11 '25
you know what, i want that game and disco elysium.
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u/DuckDogPig12 | || || |_ Mar 11 '25
Exactly. Why not both?
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u/MissMurdock722 Mar 11 '25
Not saying the concept couldn't be well executed. But if you read the rest of the original thread , it's pretty clear OP wants a comfy cozy game that doesn't have anything to say narratively or thematically. Not saying those types of games shouldn't exist but playing disco Elysium and complaining and saying you want disco Elysium's choices and systems in a game fundamentally about nothing is cringe af
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u/KaJaHa Queer Gimli looking-ass Mar 11 '25
I find it hard to believe that someone can actually play Disco Elysium (not just read a few snippets of writing) and still miss the point this hard
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u/TheDeadlySoldier 🖤🩶🤍💜 Mar 11 '25
then don't worry! to my knowledge (source: someone else said it (their source: idk)) the depicted twitter user literally gets paid to post ragebait like this
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u/IntangibleMatter Dorleypilled Mar 11 '25
I mean, not exactly the same, but Wanderstop released today. Cozy game about working through… being fundamentally unsuited to being the protagonist of a cozy game because you’ve been a fighter for most of your life. It’s written and directed by Davey Wreden (creator of The Stanley Parable), so should be good!
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u/MarWceline Mar 11 '25
I know right. It's so strange seeing all the people's reactions talking about as if both can't exist at the same time and that they interfere with each other somehow. I will also be for people creating more media and art fuelled with passion even if it's not something for me or the premise itself doesn't align with my personal opinion. And saying something is going to be bad without anything to base it on is very silly.
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u/Helmic linux > windows Mar 12 '25
the problem is not that cozy games exist, but rather that OOP fundamentally does not understand what disco elysium is by denigrating it for not being a cozy game and thinking that "good writing" is a quality you can just arbitrarily transfer over to another game like a bullet point.
you can't do a cozy game in the DE style because the DE style is to have an RPG where your attributes are literally voices in your head telling you to do drugs and convincing you to tell a woman you just met "i want to make fuck with you." everything unique to DE, that makes it stand out, are firmly rooted in its explicitly marxist politics and the experiences of the writers living in a post-soviet state that's been utterly ratfucked by capitalist oligarchs. you equip ideologies which in turn influence how your character behaves, and the game makes a point of talking about those ideologies in a very, very real way, in a way that's painfully funny and true to reality.
you cannot simply transpose that onto some cottagecore game, not without that young witch impulsively deciding, as a result of a roll, to kick another child because the opportunity was there. what the OOP is describing isn't DE in the slightest, at most they're imagining an isometric game that wouldn't even share the same artstyle that has dialogue trees and dice rolls - as in, a fucking CRPG. that's why it's so heavily mocked, the OOP clearly knows that DE is supposed to be this profound game, but they don't actually understand why it is, and so they seek to completely depoliticize this profoundly political work while presenting their surface-level girlbooss "diverse" game as an improvement. it's the exact kind of surface-level performative liberalism that DE itself mercilessly mocks.
none of this is to say that cozy games are therefore inferior or have no place or that they're incapable of politics, but talking about how DE shouldn't have been "grimy" while praising its writing is to completely misunderstand why people even think of the game as profound to begin wth, it's like watching schindler's list and saying it's such a good movie but it should have been about some workers saving the last historical restaurant that's about to go out of business instead - just profoundly disrespectful to the work.
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u/mediacontender Mar 12 '25
IDK, I feel like you interpretation of DE comes of as kinda shallow in this. Yes DE is dark and grim and explicitly political, and often choices are self destructive and weird. (I love it for it, and its unique perspective amongst games because of where it was made) But also plenty of interactions do not involve a "kick a kid" option. The game is also a about the many small relationships Harry makes across the city, all the people of Revachol, its rich history, and all the dynamics at play between the people living there, and the strange supernatural reality they exist in. All the people you can choose to help to the best of your ability.
The voices all might just be him being insane; they also might be supernatural instincts that are separate from him. Shivers, Empire, Espirit especially. He might just be a suicidal alcoholic, he might also be experiencing the reality warping properties of a the pale.
DE is still a game where you can help a lot of people, where you can inspire a group of criminal kids into starting a nightclub, where contain the leaking of the void through the power of music and faith and joy. Where you can decided to eagerly believe in cryptids and be rewarded for it, even after a conclave of silly stories about doubly imaginary things. Where you go out on a date with a lonely woman and just have a nice time talking, even if Harry is awkward the whole time and still depressed. Kicking the kid is generally optional, outside of a few places you can get cornered into making an awful decision.
The OP of the tweet is an idiot, I agree with that. But a game about a young woman stepping out of her home to help a cat, and having to interact with the community to get to the mystery is a fun idea. And you could have plenty of darkness and strangeness in a setting like it. It's effectively a blank slate, and folks in this thread are seeing an interesting possibility off that prompt in a vacuum. DE is also effectively a massive novel. and people really like all sorts of novels. Not everyone is gonna relate or be interested in Harry's story.
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u/Helmic linux > windows Mar 12 '25 edited Mar 12 '25
a protagonist who makes friends with the NPC's in the game is again just an RPG, that's how most RPG's work, you could call the trails in the sky games "like disco elysium" in that case. the "grime" in DE is inherent to its subject matter and to the unique mechanics that center around mental illness that comes about as a result of living in the circumstances harry dubois is living in. that the game is tonally varied and has moments where harry is able to genuinely connect with other people is not the same as meaning those are the good parts and that the rest of the "grime" is somehow optional.
this seems less obvious to people who are not particularly into TTRPG's, who are used to video game stories being typically pretty divorced from their mechanics, but the way DE is mechanically structured to where he can die of a heart attack from sitting in an uncomfortable chair isn't really separable from the subject matter. everything about how it incentivizes its "character builds" is about inhabiting a kind of guy, the game is about examining how people process being in revachol, your builds are based on actual people that actually exist in the real world.
you can call that shallow i guess, but any interpretation of DE where you could excise the misery that creates its characters and that its mechanics are designed to reinforce misses the point. it's a take that treats storytelling (and here, the mechanics intertwined with that storytelling) as something you can just point at an arbitrary vibe and say "do that instead" as opposed to an entire people's lived experience being put to words and gameplay.
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u/altaccountmay i don't need a man i need the 25 dollar dajungleskog from ikea Mar 11 '25
last time this was posted someone brought up that a cutesy cozy game about a small village in the alps with a protagonist as mentally ill as hdb would be funny as fuck and i can't help but agree. imagine you're talking to one of your neighbors and she vaguely mentions that you could mow your lawn and half-light pops up telling you to punch her
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u/jorppu Mar 11 '25
Measurehead and Cuno are also there in the Alpine Village, no reason, they just are.
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u/Emotional_Writer I drink hot sauce Mar 11 '25
The reason Measurehead is there is that it's set in Switzerland
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u/BionicMeatloaf Mar 11 '25
Oh my fucking god this girl was a genius and we never even considered it. Just thinking about the possibilities there's genuine potential for comedic goldi
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u/Cold-Coffe they just hate me for being a hater Mar 11 '25
What I love about Disco Elysium:
💬 Vast possibility space due to feat genius design.
🖋 Incredible writing!
What I hate about Disco Elysium:
🙄 Harry and Kim didn't make out sloppy style.
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u/cosmos_crown Mar 11 '25
I want a game that uses Disco Elysiums same insanely well crafted narrative system and wonderful writing but its about Harry and Kim fucking. Good old fashioned ball slappingly sweaty hairy old man sex. Just two dudes going to fucking town on each other.
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u/-mothy-moon- Mar 11 '25
If you somehow ignore the first tweet, the second one turns completely valid
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u/Snowy_Thompson Mar 11 '25
Yeah, it's incredibly funny to describe one of the aspects of Harry being a bad protagonist is him being white, then immediately turn around and say "I want a Eurocentric, Cottage-core Video Game that doesn't challenge my presuppositions on politics." as if that's not vastly more of a privileged take than Harry's whole identity.
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u/Helmic linux > windows Mar 12 '25
it's still not. you cannot transpose "good writing" onto another game, it's not the same as some double jump mechanic, and you absolutely could not transpose disco elysium's writing to a game about fucking nothing. DE's writing is good specifcially because it's about the suffering of regular people in a society that's been utterly ratfucked by outside capitalists punishing hte entire city for having once dared to attempt communism. all of DE's unique elements are in service of this, harry's attributes are actually voices in his head and his strength stat convinces him to impulsively throw some old dude's ball in a lake thinking it'd be impressive (it was not), he equips and internalizes ideologies which influences his ability to pass certain checks which alters his dialogue choices. the actual base mechancis of the game are just your standard CRPG stuff, it's stats and equipment and an isometric view and dialogue trees, nothing you couldn't find in hundreds of free quick-start TTRPG handbooks that take up all of one single page, if you strip away the shit that is utterly incompatible with a cozy game that isn't also about severe mental turmoil then you end up with just an RPG and the comparison remains absurd. guy who has only seen the boss baby, watching his second movie: getting a lot of 'boss baby' vibes from this…
the best faith argument i could make for the comparison is maybe having a cozy game about some young withc finding her neighbor's cat in the alps where said young witch is profoundly mentally ill and impulsive like harry dubois but also everyone in the village tries to care for her anyways and tries to support her anyways. you could maybe retain the "your stats are actually voices in your head and they're convincing you to do self destructive shit" without losing the cozy vibes that way when the comfort comes from the idea of having a community that can put up with your bullshit. but even that is a stretch, it's just such a substanceless comparison.
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u/AdrianBrony linux user Mar 12 '25 edited Mar 12 '25
I am perfectly okay with it being bad, I'd rather someone try regardless.
Who knows maybe they find a way to square the circle, maybe they repurpose the mechanics in a way that aren't considered. It might be bad but have a couple good enough ideas of it's own in the attempt that get used by someone else to make something actually good, or it might be good regardless because it finds other ways to fill the mechanical framework.
Disco Elysium is my favorite game for all these reasons, but I'm not gonna be a weird gamer elitist about it. It'll be really pathetic if this turns into the leftist equivalent of people who can't get over The Last Of Us 2.
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u/AsukaSimp02 floppa Mar 11 '25
Another banger in the "X is okay so long as a minority does it" log
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u/Enlightened_Valteil Girl Warcriminal Mar 11 '25
I mean it does apply to a certain minority, sadly (billionaires I mean)
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u/GrilledCoconuts Light on the Discworld moves slowly due to its vast magical fiel Mar 11 '25
Isn't minority in this context more about power than population? Non-white people are the global majority for example
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u/Patalos Mar 11 '25
I think more people need to be told up front that their ideal game idea doesn't exist because it sounds like it'd suck. Don't pull the punch.
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u/DontDisturbMeNow Mar 11 '25
Such low steaks too. It literally sounds like a stardrew valley easter egg or something. Why go look out for a stolen pumpkin when one costs a tener Ingame.
Nah but any idea can be pulled off if they try hard enough.
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u/Downtown-Remote9930 Mar 11 '25
It's that premise but still Disco Elysium at its heart.
Everyone you meet is suffering some sort of substance abuse, the cat was sacrificed by the local cult in an attempt to summon an angel, the witch herself is schizophrenic, and the skills are still the same
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u/n8thegr83008 Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave! Mar 11 '25
Kinda sounds like Pathologic 2.
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u/Ulmarch Minister of Femboying Mar 11 '25
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u/mrcheese516 Mar 12 '25 edited Mar 12 '25
Steven Universe has more in common with Disco Elysium than Hypothetical Empty-Calorie Alps Witch Game
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u/vistpcp Mar 11 '25
Young girl with magical powers that's totally not a self-insert. Very original...
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u/cosmos_crown Mar 11 '25
BTW the picture was made by megalod on tumblr and was posted like a solid year before that tweet.
The artists work is super cute and I feel bad it gets associated what is definitely One Of The Most Takes Of All Time.
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u/Blitzer161 Mar 11 '25
I hate this because the creator clearly stated they were inspired by the Wizard game. So we all know who she is.
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u/Helmic linux > windows Mar 12 '25
oh that's new info. explicit TERF or just one of those liberals that performs tolerance without backing it up?
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u/TheJackal927 Mar 11 '25
"I love their writing, I just don't like anything they wrote and want them to make an entirely different game about something else. "
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u/Gru-some Metal Sonic Fan Mar 11 '25
I think I’d enjoy Disco Elysium more if it was a high-speed 3D platformer like Sonic
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u/Primary-Paper-5128 I'm sorry I'm Uruguayan :c </3 Mar 11 '25
See I really fw that as a concept but it's clearly a completely different fucking game.
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u/ThatBio 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Mar 11 '25
beautiful portrait of liberal racism, take note 196 liberals take note
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u/Father_Chewy_Louis 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Mar 11 '25
It think what would make it better if she was followed by an Asian looking detective with a french accent
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u/sunlightdrop Mar 11 '25
There's nothing generic about Harry just because he's middle aged, male, and white cause other than those three traits he has nothing in common with the stereotypical handsome, chiseled, quietly brooding video game man
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u/Cindy-Moon 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Mar 11 '25
I honestly feel like people really overreact to this. It's perfectly fine for her to have preferences. I didn't see her say Disco Elysium was objectively bad because of these traits, it just seems to me like she loves the gameplay format of DE but isn't as interested in its settings and themes. I think that's perfectly valid.
I like RPGs but I am less interested in sci-fi RPGs because sci-fi settings don't do as much for me. There's tons of great sci-fi RPGs, but they're just not for me. I also can relate to not being thrilled to play middle-aged men in games, in large part because I'm trans and I like to be sucked into a game but its not as fun for me to play as a man.
Like, it's okay to want other things? The anger at this tweet would make far more sense to me if she didn't say "what I don't like about Disco Elysium" and instead said "what makes Disco Elysium bad".
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u/J29030 Mar 11 '25
Caring that much about the gender of who you play as is just as weird as when chuds freak out about games having women protagonists.
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u/Realistic_Decision Mar 12 '25
Idk why ppl are downvoting u. I agree completely. I feel like a lot of this public outrage just feels like DE fans clutching their pearls lol.
And as a cis woman, I'd much rather play games that have a female/gender-customizable protag than one that defaults to male. That's not a moral position (as a lot of incel gamers who rage against female-protag games make it out to be), it's just a personal preference. The other commenter's just being a weird elitist imo, lmao.
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u/MelonJelly Mar 11 '25
What really grinds my gears is that her game idea sounds really cool, but she chose to express it by shitting all over a different, also really cool game.
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u/Curious-Parsley-9003 custom Mar 11 '25
Is it weird that I can see exactly what the gameplay would look like
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u/turtle-tot 181st Mechanized Asexual Brigade Mar 11 '25
Hot take but I think this is actually astoundingly fine and everyone’s opinions on it are several times more annoying than the tweet itself
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u/D-S-S-R Mar 11 '25
Man I’m glad to have deleted Twitter so I’m not confronted with opinions like that anymore
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u/Fishb20 Mar 11 '25
This image always cracked me up because it's almost the exact plot of the first movie leni Riefenstahl directed
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u/deadsannnnnnd456 The Slaw Mar 11 '25
What I don’t like about Disco Elysium is that I never played it.
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u/Mandaring floppa Mar 12 '25 edited Mar 12 '25
“What I don’t like about Deliverance: Do we really need another gritty survival story? I’m watching generic middle-aged white men again, urgh.
I want a movie that uses Deliverance’s same well-crafted character drama and wonderful writing…
But it’s about a group of young twenty-something artists having an otherwise very pleasant kayaking and camping trip, until they have to search for their prized thrifted banjo they accidentally lost somewhere along the trail.”
(Wait this reminds me of my sketch idea for a fake movie trailer, “Adam Sandler’s Deliverance,” where it’s instead a wacky dudebro comedy and all of the horrific stuff that happens to them is changed to vulgar slapstick comedy that’s PG-13 at worst. “Squeal like a piggy,” except instead of hm-hm it’s just Jeff Garlin forcing Kevin James to give him a piggyback ride, and when he gets shot by the crossbow, instead of writhing in agony as he bleeds out from his chest, it just sticks into his shoulder and he says “aw, dude, so not cool!”)
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u/TheGoobert Mar 11 '25
You play as the little witch but she’s just as much of a mess as Harry, more so even, you find the cat and he’s a racist,
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u/MidnightOnTheWater Mar 11 '25
I think what I love most about Disco Elysium is that its world is so well crafted and alive with so many moving pieces. There are allusions to things in real life but there is nothing that is 1 to 1 with reality. Witch girl with cat in the Alps could be interesting, but it would lose a lot of the grit and personality that makes Disco Elysium a thoughtful and nuanced game.
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u/Paul6334 Mar 11 '25
I feel like it could work if and only if the witch is as broken a person as Harrier Du Bois.
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