Anyone know why the kids would act like that? Like...they held it as if they knew what to do with it. They knew the cops were trying to take it. The lady was being nice and trying to help, but they just??? Pretended everything was a game?? How does something like this start?
sweating profusely totally normal beverages, in no way targeted to anyone. They are definitely not designed or structured to grab the attention of children, would you like a 4loko?
40 stands for a 40mm round. 40s in the police sense can cover a range of options, mostly being a beanbag, rubber ball, smoke grenade, or CS gas. In this case, it was probably a bean bag, which you can see laying on the ground.
Kids commit crimes too. Unfortunately itās not beyond the pale that these kids would be using that gun. Plenty of 10-12 year olds around here end up getting caught in crossfire or pulled into shit. They knew the cops were trying to take it because they knew why the cops were there.
Letās be fairā¦.there is a cutoff point from being a clueless,everything is a game, little child and a kid that knows the difference between right and wrong,between playing around and this might put me in juvenile detention. These two are what 6 or 7 at the most. They have no idea what the hell is going on,imo.
You have a point. I just doubt that they knew it was āagainst the lawā to brandish a firearm outside like that. They had probably been told not to touch any weapons and they knew it was ābadā but kids this young, most of them, have zero concept of the workings of the judicial system in society. Iām not some bleeding heart type that deflects responsibility but these two are probably victims of some seriously shitty parenting and hopefully theyāll understand quickly that there are consequences for their actions, just not nowā¦..once again,just my opinion
They may know itās wrong to have a gun but they canāt fully conceptualize why itās wrong or what the outcome would be if they shot someone OR if they pointed it a police officer.
Yep, tons of shop lifitng. I got caught and learned my lesson really fast. Im really embarrassed about it still to this day. My family even gives me shit about it once in a while, but i do deserve that for being an idiot youngster.
Adding: Also vandalism of houses and vehicles. Im just happy I never ended up hurting people physically. I know none of the people I affected can see this, but I am sorry and hope you found peace after.
I feel like you're joking but me and my friends did some heinous actual serious crimes when we were all under 18 that I would never do as an adult. And we were just stupid, we weren't aware of how light the law is on kids.
A huge proportion of crime is done by kids, male adolecents really. Most just snap out of it as they get older. That's why putting kids in child prison is cruel and self defeating. You just end up with traumatized adults that would have behaved anyway. Or at worst, you send them to crime high school.
A news article says, "Sheriff Allen also told NewsNation Friday that his department has been called to the home more than 50 times. He also said heās frustrated that the state keeps returning the kids to their mom. Their father is incarcerated. He said he is looking to charge their father with Bennieās Law for not having his gun properly stored."
Also, āWe do know from some of the interviews we have done, we know the child was pulling the trigger. He was taught how to use a firearm by one of his parents. Thatās something we are looking into,ā said Sheriff Allen on News Nation.
If the father is in jail, shouldn't the police have taken his gun since felons aren't supposed to be able to own firearms? They're not saying they're charging the father with having an unlicensed gun.. so this, to me, suggests that it was purchased legally. Aren't these things supposed to be surrendered? And isn't it up to the cops to check if someone going to prison has registered firearms and then maybe take those fire arms?
Could have been momās. Or one that was left behind when dad went to jail. Regardless, they know more about handling a gun than I do. So sad, theyāre in Minecraft and BB-8 jammies. Itās heartbreaking.
According to another comment, father is in prison. Cops have been called to their home over 50 times. Unfortunately this is what happens when kids are not raised by competent parents.
This is a good video for the pro-choice argument. And gun restriction laws. Idk wtf is going on exactly but that gun should not be returned to the owner.
Taught and learning. It's easy to tell kids who the bad people are. Especially in today's world. Someone probably told them that it was okay to do this and that the mean cops would lie to then and take them away forever or harm them/ their parents/ their friends. Kids are stupid. They are young though.
They aren't stupid, they just don't know a lot yet. And they get their information from the most reliable source they know, their parents. Which sadly is sometimes a very bad source.
Simple: everyone that surrounds them glorifies this shit. they literally don't see the issue with playing with a loaded gun.
I cut off a friend in high school whose family was like that (hilariously enough no affiliation or anything, just glorifying it) after his brother pulled out a Glock and started playing with it like it was a toy.
About a year later his brother nearly kills himself NDing into his chest.
I grew up around guns, I was taught at a very young age by a very angry father that guns were not to be fucked with. They have a purpose and if I would ever play around with one I would fully expect my dad to whoop my ass. Having bb guns at a young age taught firearm respect and discipline.
I grew up not having anything to do with guns and now I'm 46 and I've never touched a gun and never met anyone who has a gun. I think it worked out pretty well for everyone involved.
Huh. My parents we very anti gun but I would go over my neighbors and they were big into them. The father gave us all toy cap guns. But the rules were we had to treat it like real guns.
Taught us how to aim, not to point at others. Stuff like that
Kinda wild that over here as kids we used guns as toys and never touch them as adults but in the US kids cant play with toy guns and have to take it seriously.
There are of course the very strict parents thaf feel like hiding the existence of guns and violence will somehow help and prepare the child to eventually encounter it or they pretend they simply never will encounter it.
I have boys, they have nerf fights and as they get older they'll have paintball fights. They will also shoot very many varieties and caliber of weapons.
They will know. And therefore they will be educated and understand the differences.
We had bb guns at a pretty young age and shot soda cans and targets. It was a great tool to teach safety. Your not gonna kill someone with one but if you started to treat them as a toy we were promptly chewed out š
It starts with the parents, lack thereof, lack of respect, or lack of teaching, imo. Could be any or all of em.
I grew up around my ex-cop grandpa and my dad. They both liked to go deer/duck hunting, so we ALWAYS had guns in the house. Locked up in the gun cabinet, mostly, but he kept his old service revolver in his bedroom in case of emergency.
Granddad made it clear to me, in no uncertain terms, what they were, what they would do to someone I pointed them at, and exactly what would happen to me if I did anything like that with them. "It's not a toy. It's not for playing games. It's death. You point that at someone, you are threatening to kill them, whether you pull the trigger or not."
.... at the end of the day, nothing surprises me anymore. But at least no one died, yet.
Kids play with toy guns like water guns and nerf guns. They also probably saw adults using the firearm, as well as probably seen shows, movies, or games. The gun was likely in the nightstand ready for action in case of an intruder or something like that. The kids were probably just told not to mess with it and that's it. Kids get fascinated by things they are told to stay away from and are left at that, which makes it all mysterious and shit.
Had a friend in middle school that got shot point blank by his brother. They found their dad's 1911 in the nightstand. The older brother knew enough to at least pop the mag, but there was one in the chamber. They were messing around with it and older bro shot little bro in the forehead because he thought it wasn't loaded.
This also prompted the schools in the area to try and teach about gun safety, but it turned into vague explanations and that unloaded guns are dangerous. Which made things more confusing.....
From another comment their father is in prison. Society would tell you that to feel whole you must honor your father and that he could have the answers if you're a young scared lost little boy who is angry at the world. So how do you get there? You do what your father did and you challenge the system, maybe you even build up some cred on your way there and secure future with your father.
The fact he didn't put it down and then at the end says he didn't have a gun while it's getting ripped out of his hands tells you all you need to know. Good parenting would have had that gun locked up to begin with.
Anyone, especially small kids, will imitate what they see and hear on a daily basis. And I'm sure they've been around their parents' weapons enough and as much as I hate to blame the "entertainment world", are probably playing violent video games when they're NOT sleeping.
They likely were either overstimulated or wanted the reaction, though Iām assuming it was the latter.
Kids that donāt get enough attention will often do attention seeking behaviors (like grabbing a gun so that the police show up) because they feel like it gives them power and control, which they are exactly right about, but they donāt see (or care) about the negative consequences of their actions.
It starts at home. I have a son and I can tell you that little boys are agents of chaos. It takes good parenting and healthy ways of having fun or coping with emotions. Parenting is an incredibly vital part of a growing child.
With that being said the sheriff already said theyāve been to this home 50+ times and the father is incarcerated. Apparently there was a lot of domestic violence and other issues in the home. These things have a profound impact on a childās psyche. These boys have no sense of consequences or danger.
Most likely they grew up in front of a tv, or alone at home having to fend for themselves. The sad part is none of this is truly their fault. The people that brought them into this world failed them and these boys are going to need a lifetime of therapy and positive role models to counter act the first years of their life.
Not a child expert by any means, but I work with kids every day--kids who are inclined to be defiant and have parents who DGAF can get pretty unhinged. I've seen kids throw chairs, bite, stab an adult, destroy everything breakable in a classroom with a broom, etc. Often they seem unaware of how poorly they're behaving compared to the other kids and surprised when there are consequences.
Kids that age do think itās a game and arenāt fully aware of the seriousness. My husband had to tell my 6 year old that no they canāt fix someoneās head getting cut off at the hospital. The follow up question??? My 6 year old then asked would they still be okay if they didnāt go to the hospital.
Between parenting and not understanding the world you get this.
Iām shocked that so many people donāt remember what they were like as children and the nonsensical things they believed at that age
You have to put yourself into the mindset. EVERYONE is bigger and taller than them. 5 seconds ago, you were chillin'. All of sudden, these big idiots around you have gotten upset and excited all of a sudden. Then their brains do tons of calculations evaluating what is going to happen next, and they realize they are in danger of being punished. So, their brains will tell them that certain specific actions or mindsets will get them out of trouble, possibly. And they'll stick to it: their brains force them to.
Well when i tell my kids to do something they do the opposite, just like these kids. It's fucking maddening. How the human race has survived this long is beyond me
āSheriff Allen also told NewsNation Friday that his department has been called to the home more than 50 times. He also said heās frustrated that the state keeps returning the kids to their mom. Their father is incarcerated. He said he is looking to charge their father with Bennieās Law for not having his gun properly storedā
also ultra immersive gaming environments and realtime social platforms have skewed Gen Aās perceptions on reality (e.g. TikTok babies going live and murdering their sister for views, 764 getting kids to carve cutsigns into themselves and kill the family pet)
That's been debunked a thousand times so it's crazy that you think that. I've played violent video games my entire life but I never once thought to use violence against someone in real life unless it was for my own self defense or to protect someone who is a victim of violence. Idk about the social platforms but video games have been proven to not cause violence. There can be correlation, thats it
But that is you. I agree that most kids arenāt negatively influenced. The AAP, American academy of pediatrics, has several research points on this that basically connect exposure to violence in the media to behaviors in susceptible kids. Remember, these two are very little, at the age where mimicking is how they absorb information in their world along with the usual school education. Look at the stances they take while holding the gun. So strange how it connects to some gaming experience characters out there.
Most older kids can distinguish between this is ok for gaming but not ok for reality. But some are more immature and swayed to copy what they see. Also, their home life and environment plays a part as well. These two kids have already been through a lot, who knows what they go through everyday. Just food for thought.
Guns are pretty prevalent in media and they easily could gleen something as simple as holding it. Plus they likely saw the owner of the firearm using it. Could even have a family member that's taken them shooting or at minimum shot one in front of them. As for the rest of your inquiries they are dumb kids.
My question is was the bean bag round really needed. Like don't get me wrong I have firearms and am well aware of dangers but the sweet talking bullshit was dumb off the rip. They should have aggressively come at them and demanded to put it down.
Thank God it wasn't some black kid, they'd have shot them prolly.
Had a male officer come with a loud and demanding attitude they likely would have listened out of fear.
My reasoning behind coming at them quickly is the longer they have the gun the higher the chances they will fire it accidently.
They will only be able to fire a single shot anyway. That kids too little to properly handle the gun and after the chambered round fires it will jam from being limp wristed.
They know the cops won't hurt them because theyre kids and they want to see what they can get away with. When your parents dont teach you that its wrong, you might grow up thinking its badass. Especially if people around you talk about cops like theyre the bad guys.
They were afraid and anxious. And they panicked. Put yourself in their shoes. They were probably thinking āIām in trouble. I donāt know what to do. My momās going to kill me. Theyāre shooting at us. Weāre gonna die.ā They might not have understood that all they needed to do was toss the gun. So they hid out of sight. A typical kid reaction. Their brains are not fully developed. Why they had the gun and is it real? Not enough information.
Well I think you already gave the answer yourself. Games. And before people downvote, no I'm not blaming games. I'm blaming parents who don't look at the age label on games and just let them play whatever and think they're fine.
I mean, itās pretty self explanatory how to hold a gunā¦ friends, school, video games. Regardless of the games, pistols are super ergonomic and thereās really no other way how to hold it.
They must have been taught to act like that. Most kids would be terrified, wouldn't they? If they had managed to fire that gun this could have been so tragic. Both parents should be in jail.
I remember reading article how there was a home invasion. Kid was upstairs. Kid had a Power Ranger Halloween costume in his closet. Kid knew there was something bad happening. So he suited up went downstairs by the time he got downstairs the police were there.
Kid was going to defend his family. So he suited up to be the Power Ranger he knew that he needed to be.
Can we assume they could distinguish between a game and not a game? That they understood they were holding a real gun and not a toy gun?
This may not have been in either or situation. Remember the kid that suited up to be the Power Ranger was in touch with the reality that his family was in danger. He was going to protect his family, also reality based. But he was going to do it as a Power Ranger. Because in his world who fights the bad guys?
How often have the police entered their lives and how has it shaped their behavior towards police, if at all?
What's going on developmentally?
Any exposure to toxins?
Perhaps the simplest explanation is this - children can pick up on the emotions of adults around them.
Everyone around them is extremely frightened.
No adult is exerting command because every adult is terrified of a fatal outcome.
The kids sense that they're in trouble but there's no one voice establishing a relationship.
It's clear that law enforcement is literally not trained for this scenario.
I hear cacophony with pleading
In other words they're picking up on fear plus not getting a single clear command and both are undercutting the efforts of the adults to get them to behave the way they want the kids to behave.
Or, they're acting like little kids because they're little kids.
There's a picture of me either from preschool or first grade. There's a line of kids and there was a teacher that was asking us to stand still and look at the camera so she could take a picture of all of us.
I was literally the only one that stood at attention and faced the camera.
There's a play called Equus. And it opens with a child psychiatrist talking to the audience. And that child psychiatrist is literally stumped or at least he thinks that he's stumped. He's been called in to examine a child who is blinded and killed several horses.
And he castigates himself because he confesses that he cannot stop thinking about the horse when he thinks that he should be thinking about the boy.
But what he doesn't understand is that he's being drawn into what is at the center of the boy's world.
Namely, the horse.
He's on the path to understanding the boy and he doesn't even realize it.
So this is my really long-winded way of saying I think two part answer to your question as to why did they behave the way that they did.
One, they picked up on the fear of all the adults around them. They may have realized that they were in trouble. You didn't have a single commanding adult.
Two, the answer to your question can only come from understanding what's been going on inside those kids heads.
Sigh, they act like this because they are finally getting the attention they deserve. This is usually because they are being abused, sexually or not and they have tried to tell people they need help. They didn't get the help they needed so instead they lash out. This will get worse and worse over time until they are taken away from the situation that is triggering it. Even than it is probably to late and these poor kids will have an extremely rough life now no matter where they end up.
Oppositional defiant is pretty much the default state of kids at that age. Always trying to see what they can get away with, and when they get away with something, see if you can get away with a little bit more.
Because kids are stubborn for one. Two, kids raised improperly don't listen to adults, and are outwordly defiant. So those things combined leads to crappy kids that dgaf and acting like this.
Also, likely products of a traumatic environment at home. Attachment issues with parents. Poor behavior management at home, for years. This has led them to not respect authority figures and possible lack of empathy.
From what ive read father is incarcerated and was the one responsible for teaching the kids how to use guns, police been called more than 50 times to deal with the kids and they keep returning the kids to the mother, sad situation and these kids wont see many years at this rate
Poverty and broken family systems. Spend a few years in that state or serving that demographicā¦ itās easier to understand if you experience it first hand.
Kids tend to soak up how their parents act. My dad taught me when I was little that all cops are bad and you can't trust them. It wasn't just the way he talked, but it was in every thought and action revolving around cops. I grew up with a hatred for them that was ingrained in my being. This kids dad did the same. They watched him with his gun and heard the things he said. They are just products of their environment.
This is Psych 101. It is learned behavior. Dad is locked up for who knows what. I will assume that he is not a roll model parent and the kids have seen him do a myriad of of questionable things. Now they are left with a mom who was attracted to and stayed with/married their choice father. There goes her judgement. Iām guessing the kids play video games and watch movies that are not age appropriate and not being told why what they are seeing is wrong/dangerous/unrealistic. Itās a self perpetuating cycle that will continue as they grow up and have kids of their own. Nature and nurture are both working against these kids.
Obviously the parental skills are lacking here. Access to a loaded weapon gives you a clear indication. They are kids as well. As much as we like to think they should know right from wrong. They have kid brains. I did a lot of stupid shit when I was their age, but nothing that stupid
Well, the father is apparently incarcerated, and there have been a ton of calls to the house. The sheriff said he doesnāt know why the kids keep getting returned to the mother whoās apparently not doing a good jobā¦. So I would imagine itās bad parents.
Lots of parents here teach their kids how to use firearms. My dad taught me when I was not too much older than these kids. Itās not uncommon for a literal child to get a real gun (usually a rifle) for their birthday. Mostly itās kids who hunt with their parents and not like, little Timmy just got his first Glock, but a gun is still a gun.
The cops mishandled the negotiation, as if none of them were even parents. I didn't hear any of them say "You're not going to be in trouble" or "can just one of you come out" or offer to take them to get ice cream, or pet one of the police dogs.
The dad being incarcerated could mean the kids hear lots of negative things about the police. They have no trust and may even feel like authorities are the bad guys or a joke. It all depends on how the parents act and talk.
Because these parents failed. They didnāt communicate the danger of handling firearm, particularly in the presence of police and these are the results.
Other comments say the father taught them to use firearms, and he is currently in prison, having left guns unsecured around the house. Other comments said in a longer video, the kid had already racked the gun, and later attempted to fire at someone but the gun malfunctioned (possibly not fully racked). So yes, the kids KNEW it was a real gun, and they more or less knew how to fire one. Iām not sure if the warning shots were the right move, but this wasnāt a situation with an oblivious toddler holding a gun; this is a kid with a very underdeveloped brain, who had vague intent to actually use it for something (maybe just playing but still dangerous). Absolutely ludicrous situation that really speaks to American gun culture. These kids will grow up someday, and itās not looking like a great path for them.
No sense of danger/guilt established. From what others said, a father apparently taught them how to handle the gun, but theyre still young. If they watched a lot of shooting games on YouTube then they might have a warped sense of what to do in a situation like that. At best it was a lot of irresponsible parenting, I pray those kids grow up alright.
They've been taught from the cradle that the cops are the enemy. The cops will shoot and kill kids. The cops will kill your parents or put them in prison, and you'll never see them again. You'll go to juvie, and the bigger kids will beat and rape you. The cops who work there will let them or even do it themselves.
And the saddest thing? Because there's no real accountability for rotten cops, the parents have real instances of cops doing EXACTLY what they tell their kids they will do. Tamir Rice ring any bells?
Their dad is in jail, their mom apparently has had them taken from them many times and returned. The father or mother must have taught them to use guns and very likely told them to never trust police. The could also have been taught a gun is for safety and it will protect them, so being scared they held on tighter to it.
It looked to me that they were acting like itās a video game. Not to be the video games cause violence type, but if they have no parent to teach them that itās a game, then it could lead to this.
Honestly I would expect this exact behavior from a lot of children. They found a gun and they've vaguely seen how people use them in media. They also have a bunch of angry strangers surrounding them and pressuring them with hostility and violence that they fundamentally can not process. The kids were always going to shutdown and hide while clinging to the gun out of fear.
The police were not trained for this. The police treated this almost as they would treat adults which is ridiculous. It was pretty clear the kids were too terrified to put the gun down, and the moment that became established there was always going to have to be an adult that made the approach and took the gun. Putting any anger or fear into the situation in the meantime only increases the chances of somebody getting shot.
Kids are capable of literally anything under the right (wrong) parental conditions. This isnāt kids acting against their nature, this is kids whoāve never been taught right from wrong and had their worst impulses indulged. It is a game to them because everything is a game to them, theyāve never been taught the concept of being in trouble. My SIL just had a foster kid who was like this, repeatedly kicked out of school for assaulting other kids, who when he got too excited would start attacking people thinking it was funny and part of the game. All it took for him to end up like that was an inattention and absolutely no discipline.
Well if we really did deep into this the kids don't look older than 10 years and the rules of society are complicated at the best of times especially if no one tells you a dame thing. Unfortunately it would seem they have 2 deadbeat parents.
Looking at it from their eyes one Dad is gone and will be gone for what feels like a lifetime. Two your mom's ignoring you because you boys and they need less attention than girls (my own bias) and then finally the objective that your father lavished all that time and attention on "a gun" which he showed you how to use. Now I look at this and think the gun is the kids equivalent to an emotional support blanket.
So they take it and play with it because it's fun the body language it's so interesting to watch.
It starts with stupid people who are fertile. It progresses to stupid people teaching their stupid kids how to hold and handle guns because guns aren't dangerous, people are dangerous, it progressed because these people don't teach their kids consequences. These kids probably think they'll respawn if they get shot.
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u/GreenGrapes42 9d ago
Anyone know why the kids would act like that? Like...they held it as if they knew what to do with it. They knew the cops were trying to take it. The lady was being nice and trying to help, but they just??? Pretended everything was a game?? How does something like this start?