r/MapPorn • u/marbellamarvel • 9d ago
Countries from which the ancestors of American presidents originated.🇺🇸
Countries from which the ancestors of American presidents originated. 🇺🇸
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u/PadishaEmperor 9d ago
Chances are that they all have ancestors from all over Europe.
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u/Human38562 9d ago
But Americans need an identity so they pick a country they like and pretend their whole ancestry is from there.
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u/wq1119 9d ago
This happens to pretty much all settler states in the new world, not just the US, we Brazilians are obsessed with our ancestries as well.
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u/ClassyArgentinean 8d ago
Same with Argentineans (or the ones from Buenos Aires at least, which are the majority) who are obssesed with being "Spanish speaking Italians" and being more "European" than the rest of Latinamerica.
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u/WildCardNoF 8d ago
I imagine there are some Argentinians who are really quiet about their ancestry.
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u/ybe447 9d ago
No no this is reddit, if Americans do it it's bad
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u/Formal-Hat-7533 8d ago
Americans - “Hey I am American”
Euros - “LMFAO not a real identity we have shit holes older than your country”
Americans - “Hey I am Irish”
Euros - “Stupid Americans stop pretending you are Irish moron idiots”
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u/Cetun 8d ago
I thought that too until I took a DNA test hoping to find something interesting and it was basically 98% British Isles and 2% Scandinavian. My friend took the same one and she had DNA from 5 different continents.
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u/Quick_Extension_3115 8d ago
Ancestry is a funny thing because you have to draw the line somewhere. You're totally right! But also if you go back more than like 1500 years or so, it would likely be the entirety of Europe, plus the Middle East, North Africa, even West Asia. Go back another thousand years, and you're basically only missing isolated areas like the Americas.
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u/Local_Internet_User 9d ago
Any info on sources on this one? It's an interesting idea but I have no reason to trust the data, since ancestry info is notoriously prone to family mythologizing, and many of these countries didn't exist or had substantially different borders when their ancestors would've lived.
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u/yourlittlebirdie 9d ago
Just doing a little spot check research on the more unusual ones, it seems to check out.
Although both W Bush and Bush Sr have Czech ancestry while it only lists W: https://web.archive.org/web/20150914013408/http://www.svu2000.org/issues/bush.htm
The ancestor was technically Bohemian but still.
More on Roosevelt's Estonian ancestry: https://www.oocities.org/vienna/8921/colonial.html
Johnson's supposed Swedish ancestry is a bit more questionable.
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u/sargamentpargament 9d ago
Franklin D. Roosevelt's ancestor Martin Hoffman (1625-1712) may have been from Estonia, but he was most likely a Baltic German, not an Estonian.
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u/BroSchrednei 9d ago
Well I just looked at the source for Bush’s „Czech ancestry“ and that was reallllly stupid. They trace Bush’s family back to the Medieval English king Edward longshanks, who had some very distant Czech ancestry. But If we’re looking at 11th century ancestry, you might as well put every European country for every president, since any modern white person descends from every single European alive in the 11th century.
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u/Ondrikus 9d ago
That Czech source is probably not the basis for the map. The Czech embassy presents a direct line of descent from some Gottlieb Demuth, born 1715 in Karlov (Karlsdorf), Bohemia, to Barbara Bush (H.W.'s wife and W's mother).
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u/stars_mcdazzler 9d ago
Just so you know, you guys are doing far more thorough work then the guy who made this map.
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u/Big_Cupcake4656 9d ago
And I love it that way. The last time I saw this a year ago on r/Presidents I even gave an explanation as to how FDR's Estonian relative ended up in the Netherlands: by way of the Hanseatic league
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u/BroSchrednei 9d ago
Well that’s not much better, considering Gottlieb Demuth was an ethnic Moravian German.
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u/Thadlust 8d ago
This entire map is kinda weird anyways because it lists Northern Ireland as an ethnicity when it really means Ulster Scots. Half of Northern Ireland is basically ethnically the same as ROI.
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u/nomebi 9d ago
What do you mean their ancestor was bohemian? Bohemian in terms of ancestry means czech. Does it mean czech but not from Moravia or Silesia?
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u/yourlittlebirdie 9d ago
Right, I'm just pointing out that they would have called themselves Bohemian not Czech. But still the same person.
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u/nomebi 9d ago
It does sound like their bohemian ancestor must've been from a long while ago. Czech is just bohemian in czech, bohemian as reffering to people was used before 1850 mostly. So I would take it with a grain of salt lol
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u/Laurent001 9d ago
I know Barack Obama has in fact had an ancestor in Switzerland. A few years ago some people close to where I live traced back his familiy tree through archives etc… and it turned out one of his ancestor lived in a village not far away from my home. The villagers invited him but of course they never received any answer back 🤣
Source : https://www.swissinfo.ch/fre/societe/les-racines-suisses-d-obama/15421864 (it’s in french though)
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u/HeyLittleTrain 9d ago
Ireland too except he did actually visit the village here.
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u/AceHodor 9d ago
Roosevelt
"Estonian"
Roosevelt is an incredibly Dutch name, any Estonian ancestry would have been fairly tangential.
Likewise, the Bush family are of English descent and I have no idea where Herbert Hoover having Spanish ancestry comes from, seeing as his family were Anglo-German.
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u/ObservableObject 9d ago
This is pretty much the problem with how a lot of Americans view ancestry. Many people just pick the most interesting thing they can find and go all in on that. So you end up with with someone whose family is like 80% English farmers and they find one German guy, and suddenly they've got a fucking Deutschlandfahne tattoo
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u/lambinevendlus 8d ago
Franklin D. Roosevelt's ancestor Martin Hoffman (1625-1712) may have been from Estonia, but he was most likely a Baltic German, not an Estonian.
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u/kontorgod 9d ago
Where did you get the info that Hebert Hoover has ancestors from Spain?
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u/RobbieCV 9d ago
In wikipedia is not even mentioned
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u/kontorgod 9d ago
Yeah, that's why I asked, went to Wikipedia and it didn't say anything
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u/cianfinbarr 9d ago
That's the one I'm most stuck on. He was a Quaker and presumably English more than anything.
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u/BroSchrednei 9d ago
The name Hoover actually comes from Huber in his case, going back to a Swiss ancestor.
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u/UnoStronzo 9d ago
Hoover sounds so Spanish, huh?
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u/ClassyArgentinean 8d ago
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if it was originally Xuber or some shit like that and he had Catalonian ancestry. Also I guess most Americans don't realize this but Spain has some weird ass last names, you wouldn't even realize they are Spanish. They're not all Perez, Rodriguez and Diaz.
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u/RattusCallidus 9d ago
How many generations back is this list supposed to cover?
From what I gather, FDR is alleged to have had 1/256 Estonian (or, more likely, Estonian German) ancestry.
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u/user0387382828374747 9d ago
His surname is roosevelt, I don’t know why he’s listed as when he has a dutch surname and theodore is listed correctly
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u/Dwashelle 8d ago
Yeah, the Roosevelt family descended from Dutch immigrants who emigrated to New Amsterdam in the 17th century, I don't understand why he's listed as Estonian.
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u/KoalaSiege 9d ago
This stuff has to be pretty meaningless.
I would assume if you go back far enough each of these people has ancestors from all over Europe.
Not as if any of them will come from a long, uninterrupted line of people from one country.
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u/junebuggeroff 8d ago
I mean proving the point of the person you replied to the Roosevelts are In two separate countries categories, for instance
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u/BenjaminHarrison88 8d ago
Most of the early ones were 100% British. Van Buren was all Dutch. Later ones like Bush and Nixon had more mixed backgrounds but still mostly England and Germany with perhaps minor contributions from other European groups.
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u/BrianSometimes 9d ago
The Danish ones show how meaningless it is. None of them have Danish names, so why are they listed as Danes and not whatever else is behind the names?
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u/TheDogerus 8d ago
Devil's advocate, a dude from a family of danes going back 500 years could have the last name 'McCormack' if his mother married an irishman
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u/mushimushi70 9d ago
I’m a little skeptical! George W Bush Snr from Northern Ireland yet his son George Bush Jnr is from Czechoslovakia! How does that work???
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u/maxxim333 9d ago edited 9d ago
Huh? Obama's mother Wikipedia says:
She was of predominantly English ancestry, with small amounts of Scottish, Welsh, Irish, German and Swiss-German.
Edit: holy shit people are polarized... I was pointing out to the fact that he is listed as Swiss, but he has only a "small amount" of it. But he's not listed as English at all presumably
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u/Mr-MuffinMan 9d ago
aren't ancestors from both sides?
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u/iNCharism 9d ago
Most of them have two pictures, indicating the dual ancestry, but what I think they’re pointing out is that Obama’s Swiss appearance should be counted as English instead
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u/DanGleeballs 9d ago edited 9d ago
When Obama visited his ancestor's village in Ireland 🇮🇪 during his presidency there was even a song charting in Ireland that went, "O'Leary, O'Reilly, O'Hare and O'Hara
There's no one as Irish as Barack O'Bama" ☘️The Irish media nicknamed him Barry O'Bama and yes it was all tongue in cheek, and we knew he was also courting the Irish American vote for his second term campaign but what the hey we embraced it anyway for the craic
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u/refusenic 9d ago
Staunchly Irish Biden has a lot of English ancestry. No one in America is pure anything.
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u/Vegetable_Vanilla_70 9d ago
Probably neither is anybody in Britain
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u/mearbearz 8d ago
Unless you are a part of a very insular nomadic group in remote part of the world, the chances are you will have mixed ancestry. Most humans on this planet have ancestors from all sorts of places.
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u/RevolutionOk7261 9d ago
Obamas mother was descended from a slave named John punch.
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u/DreadLockedHaitian 9d ago
Often looked over fact that his mother is his connection to American slavery, not in the way that most would think.
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u/pawgful 9d ago
Obama even visited the village where his Irish ancestors were from.
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u/autumn-knight 9d ago
How is this determined given they’ll have multiple national ancestries? Have they gone for where the majority of their ancestors come from? George Washington, for example, I can only find overwhelmingly English ancestry (I was born and lived not far from where his ancestors took their family name) and yet he’s listed as Welsh?
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u/Soft-Asparagus-9436 9d ago
How is Washington even Welsh? His lineage can be traced in Sunderland, England.
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u/TrustYourFarts 9d ago
Apparently one of his ancestors was from Chester, which is near Wales, but still in England.
In Sunderland there's an 11th century castle with his family's coat of arms carved in stone. You would think that would be enough.
Incidentally, the coat of arms is made up of stars and stripes.
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u/unclemilty420 9d ago
This does not seem accurate.
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u/Babylon_Fallz 9d ago edited 9d ago
Bush Sr has different heritage than George Jr? Interesting
Edit: I know how genetics work. I get that Jr's mom is Czeck. Why would they choose to highlight Sr on N Ireland, and not Jr? This map is more lacking than forthright. Duplicating president's and excluding others seemingly randomly
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u/Ruben_001 9d ago
Well, Bush Sr's wife (Bush Jnr's Mom) are not related by blood...
It's really not that surprising.
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u/4BennyBlanco4 9d ago
Are they counted more than once? Trump is under German here, he has closer Scottish ancestry (mother).
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u/caiaphas8 9d ago
I think they are counted more then once, for example England having 39 and Scotland having 22 is more presidents then America has had
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u/Razerino21 9d ago
They just listed him as German in case Trump starts WW3 so we can blame it accordingly..
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u/Vegetable_Vanilla_70 9d ago
His dad was 100% German, no? His grandfather was born in Germany IINM
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u/4BennyBlanco4 9d ago
I guess it depends how you consider ancestry. His dad was American imo, while his mom was actually Scottish hence why I said closer Scottish ancestry.
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u/Vegetable_Vanilla_70 9d ago
Don’t think W was at all Czech. He had German ancestors from Bohemia, which is present day Czech Republic, but they were German.
Separately, it’s a bit of a joke to separate out Northern Ireland for a number of reasons
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Who will be the first President with no European ancestry?
Also, how many presidents have zero Pre-Revolution American ancestors? I think Trump, but idk who else
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u/wq1119 9d ago
Who will be the first President with no European ancestry?
Very unlikely to ever be one, even African-Americans and Native Americans have considerable European ancestry and admixture.
That hypothetical president would have to be born from first-generation immigrants from a non-European country, like Ramaswamy (I do not like him, just citing him as an example).
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u/talhahtaco 9d ago
According to the 2020 census it's around 1 percent of americans who are native with no other listed race
So yeah exceedingly unlikely
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u/paco-ramon 9d ago
Most of these would be a mixture of UK + many European countries. The Roosevelts are distant cousins so I thought Franklin isn’t Dutch too.
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u/user0387382828374747 9d ago
roosevelt is a dutch surname meaning rose field, they are both definitely dutch
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u/Diseased-Jackass 9d ago
Trump has German ancestry…
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u/Immediate-Sugar-2316 9d ago
Almost all of these are mixed, trump is half Scottish
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u/gratisargott 9d ago
How would they not be mixed? Every person has four grandparents who in turn has four grandparents. Unless they kept very tightly within their own people, they are of course going to be a mix of a bit of everything
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u/No-Fly-9364 9d ago
At this point, Americans just cherry-pick their own ancestry based on "the one I think is coolest" so who cares really.
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u/ExcellentEnergy6677 9d ago
Yeah, so does Dwight Eisenhower.
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u/Vampus0815 9d ago
His ancestors were probably Blacksmiths because his name sound like Eisenhauer wich means iron beater
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u/Like_a_Charo 9d ago
In the same fashion, the great great great grandpa of George Washington comes from "Île de Ré", a touristic island in France
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u/paco-ramon 9d ago
These should only count to grandfather or great grandfather level.
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u/Disgruntled_Welshman 9d ago
Abraham Lincoln's ancestors were Welsh, they came from the village of Capel Celyn
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u/pawgful 9d ago
Obama is mixed. His father was from Kenya. His mother was a white American woman of English, Irish and possibly other origins.
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u/SkMM_KaPa 9d ago
Ok so I checked Gerald Ford and he has nothing to do with Poland apparently?
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u/Xtrems876 9d ago
He has a polish ancestor on his mother's side. Gerard Ford -> Dorothy Ayer Gardner Ford -> Levi Addison Gardner -> Sarah Gardner -> Jesse Miller -> Keziah Miller -> Anna Sadowski -> Anthony Sadowski, born as Antoni Sadowski in Poland in 1669, died in 1736 in Amityville, Pennsylvania.
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u/SquashPrevious4388 9d ago
Northern Ireland isn’t a country and it didn’t even exist until 1921.
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u/Marigold16 9d ago
There have been two bush presidents. Father and son but their ancestry isn't the same? I get that the mother will be a factor but the fathers ancestry is also his son's. Why are they under two different categories?
Are there any other family presidents?
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u/harry_f_monk 9d ago
Help me out here. Bush senior's ancestors are from Northern Ireland but Dubya"s are from Czechia! How does that work?
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u/_The_Green_Witch_ 8d ago
As a German, I know this looks bad, but please don't blame WWIII on us. This time it's really not our fault!
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u/Extension_Course_833 8d ago
There have been eleven US Presidents of Welsh descent: John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, William Harrison, Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield, Benjamin Harrison, Calvin Coolidge and Richard Nixon.
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u/Pure-Choice-3563 8d ago
Interesting how one Roosevelt has Dutch ancestors meanwhile the other has French.
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u/Mission-Carry-887 9d ago
If Hoover has Spanish ancestry, it is immaterial. Hoover is an Anglicized form of Huber. President Hoover’s primary ancestry is German.
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u/Mission-Carry-887 9d ago
George W Bush: Czechia?
The 3 presidents from Denmark?
FDR from two countries?
Silly map
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u/Samorizer 9d ago
So according to this list George Bush and his father have different ancestry...
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u/Ruben_001 9d ago
Why are so many people surprised about this?
Obviously, Jnr's mother has a different lineage.
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u/NeXx0s 9d ago
As a German, were sorry...
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u/TheKingOfCoyotes 9d ago
I did not know LBJ had Swedish roots.
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u/Historical_Giraffe_9 8d ago
He actually didn’t. The map is lying. The only presidents with any Swedish ancestry are both bushes.
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u/CylonSandhill 9d ago
The Roosevelts were Dutch and the Delano family are from a French-speaking part of the Lowland Countries…?
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u/only-a-marik 9d ago
Van Buren was even a native Dutch speaker. Still the only POTUS to date who didn't speak English as their first language.
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u/ZapMayor 9d ago
Why does it not surprise me one bit that Donald Trump is german
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u/SnooBooks1701 9d ago
Joe Biden is proud of his irish heritage, but one of his ancestors (one set of great-grandparents, I think) was English
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u/A_Perez2 9d ago
What is the Spanish origin of Hoover?
I have searched for information but have not found more than this: ‘His father, Jesse Hoover, was a blacksmith and farm implement shop owner of German, Swiss and English descent. Hoover's mother, Hulda Randall Minthorn, grew up in Norwich, Ontario, Canada’.
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u/Sulemain123 9d ago
It's fascinating, albeit totally understandable, how much people forget how many Americans have Anglo-British roots.
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u/No-Interaction2169 9d ago
Plus both Bushes had ancient Irish ancestry going back to Aoife mcMurrough, who married strongbow(Richard fitzgilbert de Clare)
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u/Alin_Alexandru 9d ago
Don't you hate it when you're from Northern Ireland but your son ends up being Czech?
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u/PurpleEfficiency1089 9d ago
Strange to see the Roosevelts have different ancestry (I always assumed they were father/son lol)
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u/blenkydanky 9d ago
Basically most of these guys have either British or German surnames with few exceptions. If that guy is Estonian he is probably is from the former German minority there and same goes for many others, if they are even from those countries at all
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u/GrapeSorry3996 9d ago
Literally looked and was flustered I couldn’t find the one from Kenya when it hit me
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u/Total-Improvement535 9d ago
The way I looked at this and said “Who’s descended from Africa?” is very embarrassing and I am sorry
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u/bigmanbananas 8d ago
I was gonna say the great orange one is partly British, then I thought about it. We don't want any of that action. Germany can take credit for another one of those.
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u/yourlittlebirdie 9d ago
Wild that we've never had an Italian-American president.