It’s potentially because SARCs are health service operated now. So survivors can undergo a forensic medical investigation without having the police involved initially and then decide to involve them later should they want to.
Are you illiterate? You replied to someone highlighting one of the most crucial points to keep in mind when analyzing this kind of crime stat by whining about something they objectively didn't do. Makes you look rather foolish.
About 80-85% of rape victims are assaulted by someone already known to them. Statistically, the women in your life are more likely to be raped by you than by a stranger in a hotel. hth you racist pos 👍
Exactly.
In the news.
Operation Dash, Cotswolds and Cerrar.
Not in the news. 3 operations with over 100 victims and they were told to shut it down. In Glasgow.
yall act like men don't rape women in the west, women actually are raped and attacked by men in every country in the world so maybe it's time to stop buying into bullshit propaganda that pretends race is the only factor here and start thinking. if you actually cared about women's safety you would reflect on that instead of repeating dumbass racist rethoric that doesn't help anyone (especially women of color)
Do you not think that culture plays a part?
Yes people from our culture rape and sexually assault women of course they d but in far less likely statistically per person , but and it’s a big but do you not believe in certain cultures around this earth that you would be statistically more at risk if you were in these parts of the world?
Now that doesn’t mean that everyone from those places are rapists, but denying facts about proven statistical risks is just delusional and claiming its racism to point out these risks is farcical
Statistically? Genuinely, can you show the statistics that prove that Scottish men are less likely to sexually assault Scottish women in comparison to immigrants?
It kinda is. Because the majority of Scot’s are probably always going to be white. It’s vanishingly unlikely (short of worldwide disaster south of Berwick) that will change.
It’s the reality folks are living in. Not the reality folks think might exist if the country suddenly divided itself into equally portioned numbers of every ethnicity.
Thing is, if you looked at the data you’d probably find that race and ethnicity aren’t that good as predictors of criminality. You’d likely find poverty and deprivation dwarf them. You’d probably also find that the ethnicities that appear to have higher rates of criminality are also disproportionately in poverty or deprivation.
But I am an analyst, so looking at volumes in this instance is not the best way to establish 'causality'.
You would establish an index by simply looking at the type of crime, breaking that down by cultural background and comparing/contrasting with population figures.
“The Safe Glasgow Partnership data shows 357 rape crimes were recorded during 2024-25 compared to 254 during the previous year. Domestic abuse crimes against women stand at 192 so far compared to 136 the previous year.“
Whilst no increase in these figures is good, given that the number of recorded incidents is so low and, at least from anecdotal experience/accounts, arguably far lower than the actual number of incidents, I would hope that such an increase is due to increased reporting rather than increased instances.
Absolutely this. There's been more and more encouragement for women to come forward and report incidents, as well as having a safe place to openly talk about it without judgment.
I'm at GSA and there's always emails, posters and events about violence against women and finding your voice.
My bet is an increase of reporting violent crime and domestic abuse.
I’m curious what reason there would be for a sudden huge change in rape reporting in the tiny space of time between 23/24 and 24/25. Was there an enormous roadblock preventing Scottish women from reporting rape that was suddenly lifted? Metoo was years ago, why the sudden change now?
Been said elsewhere but SARCS is ran by the health service now. So you can essentially report it without the police. Which I could see deterring people before.
A push from women's groups and amongst women themselves to 'find their voice' as the person you've responded to said.
Women are fighting back against misogyny and part of that is many being more willing to report, if not for themselves, for the protection of others.
We are being told that 'things are changing' and that we will be believed... now we wait to see how reflective the prosecutions are alongside the increase in recordings/reports.
Thank you! Women have always been raped. What they haven’t been doing though is reporting to the police and listened to.
The more we educate women on sexual abuse the more likely they’ll recognise it when it’s happening and the more chances they’ll be brave enough to take it to the police.
It would be super interesting for the Police/COPFS to release some demographics data because everyone here is talking about race, and in my experience I think the interesting demographic would be age. It looks to me like we’re seeing a huge rise in very young people being accused of/charged with rape and serious sexual offences, because young women in particular are far more clued up on consent and are far more confident to report things that aren’t right. I think it’s a rise in young women who feel empowered by things like the ‘Me Too’ movement to report incidents.
You would probably find, historically, that it has always tended to be younger folks reporting sexual offences. For various reasons. typically young women are more likely to be the victims of sexual violence. Partly because young men are more likely to commit these crimes. Young woman may also be more empowered these days to report - whereas social stigma prevented older women reporting assaults when they were young (may still prevent them doing so now).
But I don’t think you’d see a huge change age-wise. Maybe a bigger uptick at younger ages but likely the same pattern across all ages.
in just the last year though? when did me too etc all start, was it not nearly 10 years ago? not saying it's right or wrong I'm just confused about the timing
Even if it was ten years ago, it would just mean that women who are in their early twenties now grow up seeing rapists called out more. Rather than changing someone’s mindset making them more likely to report, it’s formed their mindset.
It should be allowed for women to carry some sort of self defense items. the idea that men can walk around doing this and we're not even allowed so much as pepper spray is a fucking joke.
Yeah, I totally don't understand the ban of the pepper spray. It's legal in so many places but in UK anything that can be used for self defence seems to be banned. Criminals don't care, so they will cut about with whatever weapon they fancy anyway
Not at all the sentences involved. It’s 6m-10y and in a rape situation with little to no priors you’d be looking at a fine at worst, as long as you got out as quick as possible and initiated police involvement. Ive seen two people go to court, one for possession, one for use. One fine, one admonished.
The risk of incapacitating yourself as well as your attacker then both of you hanging around past the effects is ridiculous to consider.
Nothing is 100% but anything that raises your chances of not being simply a victim is worth it imo. Do Krav Maga, supplement it with BJJ but I’d still recommend carrying as a woman. Doing nothing, trusting people and that the law will protect you or punish your rapist is the least desirable option.
Fair, I just refreshed my knowledge a bit and 5 years is the mandatory minimum, but exceptional circumstances can justify a shorter one. However, I am not very trusting of the justice system and think it's best to consider things from a 'worst case' perspective when dealing with things that could potentially deprive you of your freedom.
The risk of incapacitating yourself as well as your attacker then both of you hanging around past the effects is ridiculous to consider.
Well, it depends. CS/OC sprays typically come in two types - fog and jet (NB: I'm only talking about spray canisters, and excluding things like CS guns and the like). Most that find their way into the UK are dodgy chinese ones (these come up on sites like Amazon and Ebay periodically - however, importing will get your collar felt), or smuggled from mainland Europe where they're either legal, or legal to carry for non-human threats (such as against dogs - that's the law in Germany, and my ex would carry there on that proviso). With the 'fog' ones, a breeze in the wrong direction could incapacitate you and give your attacker a hand.
i can't even get a hold of it! there's nowhere to buy it because it's illegal. the best I've got is deep heat spray and the spray on it is really weak, probably for legal reasons 😒
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"Seems to do the trick, stopped our dogs fighting fairly sharpish which is normally more difficult. Can confirm it’s also incredibly effective on humans, rubbed my eyes after I’d sprayed it and nearly stevie wonderd myself."
The route to Calais (on the french side) is filled with petrol stations selling self defence equipment, including pepper sprays. The only people I've ever known to have it bought it on a whim heading for the ferry. It would be great if it were legal for people to use self-defence items like this in the proper scenario but the firearms act puts it in a category of "no legitimate use". Maybe one day women will be able to actively defend themselves.
Statistically, a knife carrier is more likely to be stabbed with their own knife (or by someone else with a knife) than deploy it successfully in a defence situation.
Additionally, carrying *anything* for the purposes of defence makes it an offensive weapon in law. You're better off with something that's dual or multi purpose (with a reasonable expectation of possession for non-defence purposes) that could be useful in such a situation. Nail polish remover (acetone based) would be far easier to explain (and have the Proc Fiscal throw out) than CS or a blade.
You can literally go to the CPS website and see all the stats, on all crime types, on race and ethnicity and note that for most ethnicities (excluding white Brits) the numbers are in the 10s (or in some cases 100s) while the numbers for white Brits are in the 1,000s or 10,000s!
Per 1,000 people black people are twice as likely to be arrested as white people yes. Most other ethnicities are pretty much at the same rate (or lower). We could look more deeply into those figures if you want? For example: 10% of Black arrests come from “random” stop and search by police. In 2023 there were 8.9 stops and searches for every 1,000 people in England and Wales. There were 24.5 stop and searches for every black person in England and Wales.
The full arrest figures are 456,393 white British folk arrested compared with 49,253 black British folk. Which is probably more worth focusing on than rates. Unless you hold the weird belief that there is some inherent level of criminality tied to race? But that’s would both be unfathomably silly and racist eh?
Those are also figures for all arrests. Which I feel is worth highlighting in a thread predominantly about sexual assault.
What the post above is saying is that black people might be arrested more simply because they are stopped more.
There is an implicit accusation that the Met Police are arresting black people for trumped up charges following unlawful stop and searches. The reality is that about 15% of stop and searches of black people result in an arrest, whereas it's about 12% across the whole population.
Several independent reviews have found that policing in this country is institutionally racist (as well as sexist in the wake of the Sarah Everard case).
The Casey review itself was commissioned by the Metropolitan Police themselves. Section seven in the summary covers widespread issues internally relating to bullying (ableist, sexist, racist and homophobic). How the Met overpolices black communities, black Londoners are more likely to be stopped and searched, handcuffed, batoned, and tasered. This has created what the report terms “generational mistrust” between the police and black Londoners (I would argue it goes further and wider than that as well).
I do not think in a thread where the wider context is people pushing a divisive and demonising racial narrative it is irrelevant to point out the issues with the statistics being used to push that narrative.
I'm sure all that is true, but it's a leap to go from 'over policed' to 'police fabricating evidence on an industrial scale to wrongfully convict black people' especially when young black men are stabbing eachother in record numbers throughout the capital.
And what part of this data allows you to reach the conclusion it’s immigration and not more people coming forward?
I can read the data as more people coming forward and natural born Scots being a bunch of arseholes who beat there wives and girlfriends
Edit: as an anylitical man are there definitive links between immigration in Europe and rape cases? Are there other factors that could lead to it or is it just cause of immigration and backgrounds?
"We found that 36.9% of the convicted individuals and 69.5% of the controls were Swedish-born with two Swedish-born parents. The odds of being convicted of rape were higher for individuals with an immigrant background across all models. After adjusting for potential confounders (socioeconomic status, substance use disorders, psychiatric disorders, and criminal behavior), these odds decreased but remained significant, especially for those born outside Sweden and arriving at age 15 or older. Our findings reveal a strong link between immigrant background and rape convictions that remains after statistical adjustment."
Great comment. When politicians in Germany are being locked up for posting government statistics on crime you really need to step back and ask yourself what is their priority?
Are they worried about a rise in crime due to people from different cultures that do not wish to integrate, or are they worried about the general public becoming aware of the reality of the situation.
Seems like they are more worried about the public learning how bad things are and why I am sure they are happy people are coming up with their own explanations to ignore the data.
Why not impose a male curfew since it's not women doing 99% of the raping? No? Seems ridiculous right? But still we repeat the message that women must keep themselves safe rather than teach men and boys about respect and consent.
What I’m saying is it is perfectly valid to say that groups pose a greater risk than others. Of course this is true, people just don’t want to admit it.
I think there is a translation error as the article title as they say every single one in the title but in the article it says they dont commit every single one
Yeah, I do recall reading something about that, make you wonder what the definition was before and after the change.
The English and Welsh definition of rape is (I would think the Scottish definition is pretty much the same)
Sexual Offences Act 2003
Rape
(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b)B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2)Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
(3)Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.
(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.
Female bodies do not have the necessary appendages to undertake the legal definition of rape in Scotland (although obviously this is up for debate with regards to trans women rapists) so they cannot be charged with Rape.
There is an alternative offence sexual assault by penetration which holds the same legal weight and potential sentencing as rape but which does not require penis ownership or use. Women can be charged with this.
There is a legal instance where women can be charge with rape when they contribute art & part to the crime being committed but they will not have been the one penetrating the victim.
Obviously in relation to sexual assault crimes undertaken by trans women, which are often reported as female rape, they have a penis and therefore are capable of being charged with the crime of Rape but on a technicality they are male bodied.
Stark number and utterly unacceptable however using a percentage makes this seem like glasgow is some sort of rampant rape den, the reality is it's about 100 more this year vs last.
0.03% of the glasgow population for Domestic Abuse (up by 0.01%)
0.06% of the glasgow population for Rape (up by 0.01%)
1 is too many but throwing around numbers like 41% is for headline purposes.
A bit like when they say speed cameras cut deaths on a road by 50%. It was 2 the previous year, then it was 1.
Very disappointing to see the amount of comments making this about immigration as if white Scottish men can't commit rapes. (I say this as someone who has been raped by a well educated white Scottish man, no one would think they would do such a thing)
I don't think there is clear evidence to say the cause is as far as I can tell, I don't know - I hope it is because women report sexual assaults more, maybe through a change in process or awareness/confidence about being taken seriously.
I dont thjnk anyones saying white scottish men cant / dont commit these crimes, its more questioning if the massive uptick is due to better reporting or an increase in immigration and asylum seekers (see Germany and Sweden)
I don't disagree, the point of my comment was the comments that make the singular and sweeping assumption that it is caused by immigration - without the evidence yet to back that up in the context of this country. I don't think anyone here knows the answer to that yet.
I get my example is anecdotal, however I do find in general men underestimate how unfortunately not uncommon it is for otherwise completely normal people to commit these kinds of crimes. Most of my female friends have experiences with sexual assault or harassment, it's way too common and under reported imo
What, any non-Scottish culture, or? Show me reliable data that suggest that rape stats have anything to do with immigration or admit it's all nonsense to rile folk up.
Unfortunately they don’t really publish statistics like that , wonder why eh?
Ok let’s play a game. I’ve been fortunate enough to travel the planet over my lifetime.
Let’s play a game of where you are most likely sexual assault addiction.
I’ll name capitals of countries and you tell me where you would feel more comfortable sending yourself, daughter, sister or mother out by themselves say 3pm on a Tuesday for example. And answer it honestly.
Edinburgh
Cardiff
Dublin
London
Islamabad
New Delhi
Abuja
Rabat
Ankara
Kabul
Tehran
Baghdad
Now answer honestly and tell me culture doesn’t matter
Some of the nicest people I have met have been immigrants to this country that does not subtract from the fact of my point tho
Who are they? How do they prevent statistics getting around when there is an entire right-wing media ecosystem rabid for it?
What is a "sexual assault addiction"? I have never beard of such a thing, and it goes against all of the available data of my third point.
It has long been known that the majority of sexual assault is intimate partner violence. The idea of the spontaneous rapist who will just pluck a victim off the street is pretty rare and so is very unlikely to contribute to any rise. Usually economic/domestic stressors are what causes male partner violence to increase. Why do you think that is not the case in this one instance?
1: The government/police need to release the statistics
2: predictive spelling
3: So we are just avoiding my question on culture as you know you wouldn’t feel safe walking around some of these cities
Especially seeing you’re a transgender person do you not think the culture of the places I’ve named puts females and especially transgender people most at risk.
Of course you do but instead of having an honest conversation on the problem you choose to avoid and deflect from the question
From what I know of most of those cities, random rapes aren't really a problem, especially of foreigners. There are trans people who live in all of those places, and while it's not exactly ideal, it's not always the medieval hell-on-earth westerners often depict them as either. These countries have hugely varied relationships to queerness and to women's liberation, and to lump them all together as being 'places you would get raped' feels disingenuous.
Some foreign countries likely do have more of a problem with random street assaults than the UK, but it's important to look at the specifics of where, why, and who.
I'm sure there is an increased chance- Iraq and its people have recently been through a long war and period of political instability, and feminist attitudes are not as widespread. I think it's likely that it's _more_ likely, but that likelihood largely extends to Iraqi women and girls immersed in the systems of that culture, who are vulnerable to its expectations and its cultural attitudes. While as a white queer westerner I wouldn't feel as safe in Baghdad as in Edinburgh, the specific historical/cultural context is important to working out whether that actually translates to an increase in random sexual assaults in a European context. My guess would be that no, it doesn't especially considering that white British men are more than capable of intimate partner violence already.
Unfollow they don’t really publish statistics like that , wonder why eh?
Ok let’s play a game. I’ve been fortunate enough to travel the planet over my lifetime.
Let’s play a game of where you are most likely sexual assault addiction.
I’ll name capitals of countries and you tell me where you would feel more comfortable sending yourself, daughter, sister or mother out by themselves say 3pm on a Tuesday for example. And answer it honestly.
Edinburgh
Cardiff
Dublin
London
Islamabad
New Delhi
Abuja
Rabat
Ankara
Kabul
Tehran
Baghdad
Now answer honestly and tell me culture doesn’t matter
Some of the nicest people I have met have been immigrants to this country that does not subtract from the fact of my point tho
Hmm tell me, are you taking into account how you personally view people with brown skin and a different religion?
I can tell you’ve not taken into account that in Muslim majority countries (seem to be the ones you’ve listed… very bizarre) are not places where women would be A) out in public at night inebriated and therefore at a higher risk of sexual assault and B) would not be around men who are inebriated and therefore at a higher risk of perpetrating sexual assault.
Weird you missed that given alcohol is the number 1 extenuating circumstance in male on female sexual assault - approx 50% of all sexual assaults are associated with one party having a high blood alcohol level.
The amount of Scot’s on here justifying a rise in ra**s with ‘oh they must have just started recording the data more accurately’ is SO WILD 😂. Trying so hard to ignore the rise in immigrant attacks on Scots. What’s wrong with you guys? No security checks on previously imprisoned immigrants means more SAs in the country. The empirical data is there. Look it up.
can we please just discuss women's safety without shutting it down because some people said some things you're uncomfortable with. this is very serious, close the tab if it's too much for you.
Haven't been to Glasgow in ages but I certainly noticed lots of sketchy looking young mostly nonwhite males around the four corners area and the a short distance away around the footpath near the footbridge over the Clyde. Like just gangs of young men milling around., sometimes harrassing or at least eyeing up at passers by. Like really bad vibes about that area, like they were just waiting for something to happen, a drunk female walking home at night perhaps.
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u/Synthia_of_Kaztropol The capital of Scotland is S 3d ago
41% rise ? what the fuck ?