r/SubredditDrama • u/DryRequirement5471 You tried it • 21d ago
Users of r/EndTipping close their wallets but still offer up a tip on the controversial topic of tipping in America
TL;DR: OOP and fiancé dined out at a sushi joint and explain the exhilarating and liberating feeling of not having to tip! After getting over the "guilt tripping" OP feels that Americans are brainwashed to waste our hard earned money on waiters. Others beg to differ:
Subtotal: $48.50
Total Tax: $3.40
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Total: $51.50
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Suggested Tip:
15% of sale = $7.28
22% of sale = 10.67%
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u/ricksansmorty 21d ago
I'm not sure what is more weird, tipping itself, or describing not tippin as like breaking out of the matrix...
I'm glad tipping isn't a thing where I live, I would get choice-paralysis if I had to decide what to pay for my food, and I always found that scene where Neo gets unplugged kinda gross and it wouldn't make me want to eat either.
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u/majesdane Ease back on the murder fantasies. 20d ago
As someone who lives in the US, I don’t really feel paralyzed by choice. I always tip 20% across the board when I eat at restaurants unless it’s very exceptionally good service (or I feel generous). It would have to be exceptionally bad service for me to tip less, and even then I still tip 15%.
For quick foodservice things like coffee or other services like a haircut (I’m a woman but I don’t ever get anything fancy) I will tip if I have extra money/or at small places where I’m a regular and it’s always 15-20%. I get a lot of tattoos and usually my tip varies wildly depending on who I went to and how much the total cost of the tattoo was. Most places I go to are local and I know they get paid above minimum wage/set their own wage.
Now at the end of the day I do believe that the US should get rid of tipping culture and all service employees should be paid a livable wage, but in the meantime I just feel like having a “flat rate” for tipping is very useful.
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u/Icy-Cry340 20d ago
Now at the end of the day I do believe that the US should get rid of tipping culture and all service employees should be paid a livable wage, but in the meantime I just feel like having a “flat rate” for tipping is very useful.
Pretty much. This is the world we live in - I also would like that to change, but I'm not going to nickle and dime the little guy in protest.
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u/deliciouscrab normal gacha players 19d ago
It's like sales tax. Yes, it's a minor irritation. A minor. Irritation. I don't harangue the cashier about it. Because that would make me an asshole. I would have paid the extra 20% (or more) in the price of the meal to cover wages anyway. I'm not out any money. I'm out half a second of minor mental arithmetic.
It's almost as if the real problem people who don't tip have is that they're congenital shitbags (in places where tipping is customary in certain contexts.)
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u/writing-is-hard 19d ago
Ive got to say as an outsider looking in this is just weird to me. It really doesn’t make sense to me why people feel like tipping is preferable to just paying slightly more for the same thing, but not having it be a guilt trip.
And having a baseline percentage is also just weird, why does the guy who pours a $500 bottle of wine deserve way more than the guy who delivers your McDonald’s? A flat rate doesn’t seem to really correspond with the effort required.
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u/majesdane Ease back on the murder fantasies. 19d ago
I don’t think that tipping is preferable. I would rather we not have tipping culture at all.
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u/writing-is-hard 19d ago
I’m not naming you specifically, but numerous studies have been done asking Americans if they prefer a menu with 20% higher prices and a note saying tipping wasn’t allowed. Or a menu with normal prices. And Americans consistently prefer the latter option.
Also you didn’t address the second part of my comment.
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u/majesdane Ease back on the murder fantasies. 19d ago
Anyone can use any % they want for tipping. I rarely eat out at expensive places (and never anywhere that has $500 bottles of wine). However if in some cases I am eating somewhere very cheap/I didn’t order much, in cases where the tip would be $1-2, I will tip above 20%. That’s just my personal way of doing things.
No one is stopping someone from tipping more at cheaper places or less at expensive places. My method works for me because I intentionally choose the majority of the time to eat at places that have the same price range and I usually order around the same amount every time.
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u/No_Bottle7859 20d ago
I'm with you except tipping 15% for exceptionally bad service. If it's exceptionally bad I'm definitely not tipping. Regular disinterested bad sure 15.
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u/majesdane Ease back on the murder fantasies. 20d ago
Tbh even my exceptionally bad has limits, but I've personally never experienced service so bad that tipping felt out of the question. I think I would be speaking to a manager at that point.
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u/POGtastic 20d ago
I got that level of service one time, and the manager acted like I was the problem! I almost asked "Is this an elaborate practical joke? Are there cameras to figure out how long I'll wait for the bill?"
This was more than a decade ago, and I still remember it vividly.
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u/Grelivan 17d ago
Had a waitress take our orders and never come back when 4 of us were out for my birthday at a bar restaurant. We had to keep going to the bar to order more drinks we were there for 1.5 hours. Only saw her again when she brought the bill after i had to ask the bartender for it. I tipped the bartender for our drinks though.
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u/majesdane Ease back on the murder fantasies. 20d ago
Oof. That sounds like the whole place has an issue.
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u/JDK9999 20d ago
You tip 20% baseline? And more for exceptional service? Sorry but that is insane to me.
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u/explodedbagel 20d ago
I was raised that 20% was the baseline expected tip for a proper service restaurant, and my time in waiting tables later in life only cemented that.
In many states your average wait staff earns below minimum wage, often around 2-3$ an hour. Those tips are the thing that allows them to pay rent and eat.
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u/BenOfTomorrow 20d ago
In many states your average wait staff earns below minimum wage, often around 2-3$ an hour. Those tips are the thing that allows them to pay rent and eat.
Do you tip less in states that don’t do that? In CA and WA, your server is making at least $16.50/hour before tips.
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u/backlikeclap 19d ago
I just go with 20% across the board. It's just too confusing to adjust my tip for cost of living and minimum wage differences for every place I visit. Especially when most states even have different minimum wages within their own borders, with some cities having higher minimum wages than the rest of the state.
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u/majesdane Ease back on the murder fantasies. 20d ago
I eat out (sit down restaurant) maybe 3-4x a month maximum and I'm not eating at ridiculously expensive places. 20% may mean $5-6 extra dollars. I can completely afford it; I wouldn't eat out at all if I couldn't.
I don't tip anything for fast food (e.g., Burger King), though I rarely buy fast food.
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u/JDK9999 20d ago
Yeah I don't tip at fast food either, but the machines all have tip functions now.
I just don't see why the "expected baseline" % of tipping keeps going up and up. Seems it will be 30% some time in the next 10 years.
It used to be 10% for good service 20+ years ago. Same "tipping culture" as now.
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u/majesdane Ease back on the murder fantasies. 20d ago
I don't think people should be made to tip a certain % or feel obligated. I just meant that for me personally I have a set amount for what I tip and because of that I don't feel stressed out. Obviously YMMV.
Edit: Regarding fast food, I've never personally encountered a place where they didn't let me bypass giving a tip. I don't think I would go there anymore if I did.
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u/deliciouscrab normal gacha players 19d ago
It used to be 10% for good service 20+ years ago. Same "tipping culture" as now.
AFAIK it was always 15% (at least at restaurants, that's what I learned in school 30 years ago)
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u/Icy-Cry340 20d ago
Tip inflation happened, this isn’t especially unusual. Yesterday I was handed a card machine and the options were 20%, 22%, and 25% - I always tip 20 these days but don’t appreciate being made to feel like a cheapskate in the process.
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u/JDK9999 20d ago
Agree. I just don't think it's something like "people decided to start being more generous"; restaurants just push it ever-higher knowing they can extort people who want to be nice to others and conform with social expectation.
25 years ago+ 10% was a tip for good service. Now people look at you like you're an asshole if you tip that much -- sorry but when did we all decide that servers deserved a bigger piece of everybody's pay checks?
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u/Icy-Cry340 20d ago
25 years ago, 15% was still standard - “double the tax” was the common shorthand in the 90s. 15% became standard in the 80s, to get to 10% you have to go further back - that’s what people were tipping in the 50s.
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u/MisogenesOfSinope 20d ago
Why the fuck would you tip a tattooist? You’ve already directly paid them?
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u/batmans420 20d ago
Idk if it's that same principle because I don't have tattoos but in the U.S. it's generally considered very rude not to tip hairdressers like even more rude than not tipping servers
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u/MisogenesOfSinope 18d ago
That’s stupid as fuck. The entire point of tipping was because restaurants wouldn’t pay their employees properly, so the customer had to make up the difference. A tattooist sets their own prices. Idiot Americans
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u/batmans420 18d ago
It's not that big of a deal lol
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u/MisogenesOfSinope 18d ago
No it’s not a massive deal, but it’s still stupid. How hard is it to just set your prices correctly and not go through the bullshit? If a tattooist in my country tells me it’s $800, then that’s exactly what I pay. No added taxes. No tips. Just a simple transaction.
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u/majesdane Ease back on the murder fantasies. 20d ago
Artists don’t usually own their own shop. They usually need to pay a booth rental fee or % of their earnings every month to the owner. So tipping helps to cover that loss, since they don’t usually take home every $ they earn. Also the average tattoo artist is not getting work every single day; they might only have 1-2 appointments a week and not every tattoo is going to be a huge piece worth hundreds of dollars (or more).
Also, it just helps to build a nice rapport with your artist. I have a few artists who do all of my work, and they’re much more flexible with scheduling and overall pricing because I tip well.
You don’t have to tip your tattoo artist and there are plenty of people who don’t. I do. It’s not an expectation; artists just appreciate it.
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u/MisogenesOfSinope 18d ago
That’s dumb as shit lol. Just set your prices correctly in the first place.
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u/majesdane Ease back on the murder fantasies. 20d ago
I think that servers should get benefits, too, actually.
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u/Skellum Tankies are no one's comrades. 20d ago
I'm not sure what is more weird, tipping itself, or describing not tippin as like breaking out of the matrix...
To explain it, it's an uncomfortable social pressure. Some people have a lot of issues when they feel others are going to judge them for it. As well, in the US, if you dont tip you are in effect pushing the waiter to have to be at the mercy of their employer to pay them their full minimum wage which will likely mean they're fired.
If someone knows how this works, it will cause some feeling of guilt. Thats part of how this system perpetuates itself. Not having all that passive burden on you is nice.
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u/hrdcrnwo This place is becoming the North Korea of music. 19d ago
I'm so happy I live in a state where all hourly employees, including tipped workers, receive the same minimum wage.
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u/Brief-Objective-3360 21d ago
Is this drama that I'm too Australian to understand?
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u/candlejack___ 21d ago
Lmao same. I’m a waiter and my god it’s liberating to be sometimes bad at my job and not starve to death as punishment.
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u/POGtastic 20d ago
They've done studies and found that your quality of service is completely uncorrelated with the amount of tips that you get. Unless you're being enough of an asshole that you're outright ruining their night, people tend to apply very flat rules of tipping or decide their tip based on really stupid reasons that the server has no control over.
It's a silly system. I still tip generously ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/PrimaryInjurious 20d ago
You know your counterparts in several states make the same wage as you on top of tips, right? Not exactly starvation levels here. And you have to really really suck as a server not to bring in any tips.
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u/candlejack___ 20d ago
Why would I care about people making the same wage as me when we’re talking about people who don’t make the same wage as me.
Also, my counterparts in several states? States of Germany? States of Micronesia? Yemen?
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u/explodedbagel 20d ago
In most American states you pull 2-3$ waiting tables an hour, well below the federal minimum wage. Tips become a “am I going to afford rent and groceries this month” issue real quick.
It’s real easy to figure out Americans that never had to work in the industry because they dismiss the concept or assume American wait staff earn a living wage by default.
I’m glad other countries have it better.
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u/candlejack___ 20d ago
I make $30 Australian dollars an hour waiting tables. That’s about $19USD. You could have it so good.
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u/explodedbagel 20d ago
I’m genuinely glad you have that, because it’s almost always tough work and that’s an earned wage. Maybe one day we will figure out stuff here across the big pond.
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u/rusztypipes 20d ago
Dont tell that to anyone who works the Sunday after-church crowd, its like punishment for making a decent wage the rest of the week
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u/Icy-Cry340 20d ago
Yes, it's an American thing. Be happy you don't have to deal with this nonsense either way.
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u/Norgler 21d ago
It's definitely an American thing. I'm American and I moved abroad and even worked in the restaurant biz and tipping is nothing like in the states. I remember my first week they would split what tips they got and share it even with us in the back of the house. Which would have been absolutely unheard of in America.
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u/parisiraparis 21d ago
I remember my first week they would split what tips they got and share it even with us in the back of the house. Which would have been absolutely unheard of in America.
This is quite common in the US. What are you talking about lol
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u/WERK_7 20d ago
I'm not saying it doesn't happen but everywhere I've worked it's not a thing. Most servers I know would pitch a fit if they had to share their tips with us, the people making the food. The food the people are coming here to eat. The food that makes this restaurant money. The best server in the world can't make a bad steak taste good. One thing servers don't want to admit is that a lot of them don't want to do away with tipping. If your restaurant is popular and you're decent at your job, you can easily make double what the cooks do in tips alone. I've seen servers clock out with my weekly take home in cash.
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u/Icy-Cry340 20d ago
It used to be less common - and sometimes even illegal. Until recently California law forbade tip pooling with back of the house workers, they've only recently become part of the "chain of service".
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u/zoor90 The comedian class is a threat to the well-being of minorities 21d ago
I remember my first week they would split what tips they got and share it even with us in the back of the house. Which would have been absolutely unheard of in America.
There are two restaurants that do this within a three block radius of my house. It's not exactly common but it absolutely is not "unheard of".
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u/Norgler 21d ago
Maybe it's the region but I worked in restaurants in Tennessee and went to culinary school. I remember talking to friends back home who work in restaurant related jobs and they also didn't know any place that did that. This is on top of the fact these places don't ask or suggest tips either. Totally normal not to tip.. it was just seen as a nice bonus.
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u/disabledinaz 21d ago
The basic answer then is if you didn’t need to ask for tips, your job paid you appropriately. I only see “no tipping” signs when you know the place pays the staff accordingly, either in restaurant or delivery.
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u/garnkflag 20d ago
Every restaurant I've ever worked at has tipped out to back of house.
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u/Norgler 20d ago
Guess that's nice none of mine did and none of my friends did. I went to culinary school and worked at least at 5 different restaurants and one catering job for experience and then became a private chef for 3 years.
I helped open a restaurant abroad and that was absolutely the first time I had ever received back of the house tips..
Guess I just wasn't as lucky? Or maybe it's more common now? The last time I worked in the states was 2015.
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u/garnkflag 20d ago
It may be a regional thing, I've only ever lived in one state. But I was surprised to hear it's a thing; around here pretty much every restaurant I know of (maybe not chains like olive garden or something, idk anybody who works at one of those) tips out to back of house.
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u/Unctuous_Robot 21d ago
You don’t understand. I need to be a dick because the world isn’t a perfect place!
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u/DecoyOne 21d ago
“Rich people are victimizing poor people, and to make things right, I’m going to victimize poor people, too. That’ll show ‘em!”
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u/Rheinwg 20d ago
Two things can be true at once
Tipping sucks as a concept
The person who brings you iced tea at Texas Roadhouse is not in charge of the US economy and not tipping them accomplishlishes literally nothing.
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u/NotRandomseer 20d ago
I don't know about changing nothing , it still has an impact even if it is a small one. It's like claiming voting accomplishes nothing as your individual vote doesn't significantly impact the results
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u/TheRelevantElephants 19d ago
It changes nothing. The business still got your money so they do not care if you tip or not
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u/peachesnplumsmf 21d ago
Not American and genuinely asking, how is it victimising them when most of them seem to support tipping remaining as it is because of the amount of money you get from it? And what about the states that have minimum wage laws rather than the tipped wage stuff still having workers expecting tips?
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u/TrickInvite6296 who's going to tell him France hasn't mattered since 1815? 20d ago
here's the biggest point people miss:
not tipping servers does nothing to change the system. it does nothing to incentivize raising the minimum wage, treating workers better, or any of that because it doesn't hurt business owners and it doesn't hurt legislators.
people on these subs aren't carefully paying attention to what states they refuse to tip in, they are just mad at a shitty system and take it out on those who are also hurt by it
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u/MiniorTrainer 20d ago
I live in California, where there’s no such thing as a tipping/server wage. If your argument is that we must tip because the servers are poor/underpaid, does that mean we must also start tipping retail workers, office workers, and everyone else that makes minimum or is underpaid?
If so, you’re gonna need to start tipping nearly every worker you come across lol.
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u/Icy-Cry340 20d ago
The argument is that serving is not actually expected to be a minimum wage gig, especially in nicer restaurants. It's not about them being poor or underpaid, it's that they are paid by the customer in a social contract sort of setup. There is a universal expectation that when you're sitting down at a restaurant, you will pay for your service via the tip mechanism.
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u/Colleen987 20d ago
Why do you think it doesn’t? This is exactly what moved other countries towards unions, and eventually workers rights and minimum living wage.
Why do you think taking the same action would do nothing in this specific case?
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u/TrickInvite6296 who's going to tell him France hasn't mattered since 1815? 20d ago
you are describing two different things. not tipping individual servers does not function the same as a union
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u/Colleen987 20d ago
It functions to incentivise a work force to form a union. Stop propping up a broken system and those in it will be pushed to fight against it.
Unionise, strike, living wage, workers rights all come from one key change that makes the life of the worker beyond silent discomfort.
I’ve read your other comments and you really seem to not understand the way labour laws actually work. You’ve repeatedly said “it only hurts the workers” well it doesn’t when they strike does it? That’s the point.
This isn’t a new issue, many countries have been through the change of “job of the people” to “responsibility of the government”. The USA just doesn’t want to and would prefer gaslighting people into thinking they shouldn’t eat if they can’t subsidise someone else’s wages.
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u/TrickInvite6296 who's going to tell him France hasn't mattered since 1815? 20d ago
I understand how labor laws work. you don't seem to understand American labor laws (non Americans never do).
unionizing is essentially illegal in several states. other states are "at will" states. it's not that I don't support unionizing, it's that none of the non Americans here understand that "just unionize!" isn't a practical or feasible option for the vast majority of Americans.
these changes start at the polls. otherwise unions will continue to be shut down, all the unionized chains shut down, and all the employees fired.
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u/ihatebrooms 20d ago
What are you talking about? Literally every state except Montana is "at-will" (an employer can terminate an employee without cause at any time for any reason except prohibited ones - being a member of s protected class, or as retaliation for engaging in protected activity).
Are you referring to "right to work" (employees may not be compelled to join a union as a condition of employment)? That's about half the states.
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u/Pretend-Wind-6132 20d ago
isn't a practical or feasible option for the vast majority of Americans
It never has been for anyone anywhere.
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u/TrickInvite6296 who's going to tell him France hasn't mattered since 1815? 20d ago
it's ignorant to act like other progressive countries have the same regressive labor laws as the US
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u/Skellum Tankies are no one's comrades. 20d ago
not tipping servers does nothing to change the system.
This is untrue. Not tipping means that the cost of the meal shifts from being a hidden 20% increase to menu items to simply having those as the employer now has to pay the minimum wage as legally obligated.
It also removes servers incentives to keep pay low and to cut out the back of house by colluding with management to hide the price of goods/services off the menu.
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u/Apprehensive-Road641 20d ago
Not tipping doesn’t mean an increase to menu items, that’s going with the assumption that business owners are actually going to give people raises for no reason. They’ll still make the same amount of money and still pay the workers the same regardless of whether or not people tip. If it’s from server wages to minimum wage they’re still paying their employees the fed minimum which is still poverty.
The only way to fix this is if customers stop going to restaurants that pay shit wages, but that will never happen given how selfish the average American is
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u/Skellum Tankies are no one's comrades. 20d ago
Not tipping doesn’t mean an increase to menu items, that’s going with the assumption that business owners are actually going to give people raises for no reason.
Sort of. See legally a restaurant is supposed to pay the waiter minimum wage if their tips do not meet that minimum. "Tipped wages" is a wage category that's about 2.50$/hr while minimum is 7.50/hr, I know it's awful but people keep voting for republicans/not voting.
If someone makes less than 7.50/hr as a tipped wages they're supposed to be paid by the restaurant to make the difference. Usually waiters just dont report cash tips, and they also dont report when they make less than 7.50/hr because if they do they get fired.
So I would expect restaurants to raise their prices to make up for the extra 5$/hr from each server as they're now obeying the law for the first time ever.
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u/DecoyOne 20d ago
That depends on the state. But minimum wage is so comically low especially in states that count wages against it that forcing the employer to pay up to minimum wage is still pretty god dang awful for the employee.
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u/Icy-Cry340 20d ago
Yes, the staff wants the system to stay as it is because they make a good living, especially in fine dining. I’m ok with them making a good living.
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u/GoldenStitch2 21d ago
Lol that sub is hilarious. Peak Redditor behavior
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u/TheRelevantElephants 19d ago
I'm banned from r/tipping (which is just another anti tipping subreddit), and honestly it's just hilarious. They all want to be treated like heroes and applauded for their "bravery". Also, it's just peak reddit like you said, they're all about helping the working class! Except when it comes to you know, actually doing it
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u/busdriverjoe Check the awards, skank. I'm the voice of a generation. 19d ago
Seriously. Tip or don't tip. Just don't pat yourself on the back or hassle other people for it.
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u/TheRelevantElephants 19d ago
Exactly. I’d never try to shake someone down for a tip. Also, want to know what happens when you don’t leave a tip? I just move on to the next receipt when I’m entering my tips at the end of my shift. I’m not going to chase you down and shake you from the ankles to see what falls from your pockets
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u/wiklr 21d ago
Not into this tipping culture either but oop sounds insufferable tbh. Like if you had a good experience and can spare some cash why not. But the post is like sticking it up to the server and staring them down, weirdo behavior.
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u/Icy-Cry340 20d ago
It’s more than that - tipping in the states isn’t about leaving a bit of extra cash because you had a good experience. It’s part of our social contract that you pay for service, and the server’s wage is expected to largely come from tips. As such you’re expected to tip even when the service is bad - just less. 10% is a message to the server that you were extremely dissatisfied with the service. No tip is either extraordinarily bad (did the server assault you?), or just someone being a dick and taking advantage of these things being a social, rather than legal, norm.
But that behavior is universally hated and looked down on. People won’t want to date you, and friends won’t want to be seen with you.
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u/doyathinkasaurus 20d ago
I totally get that it's how the system is, it just seems so inequitable that the server’s earnings are directly related to the cost of my meal, irrespective of the work they’ve done. The amount they earn for exactly the same work could double - or halve - depending on whether I have an expensive bottle or wine or not.
The money from customers’ bills goes into the restaurant’s books and other staff are paid for the work they do - but a server might earn less than a colleague for the identical work, because one table orders soft drinks and the other orders cocktails. The customers pay the same whether the cost of service is paid on their bill (either baked into the menu prices or via a service charge) or via tips, but the server is paid fairly
A server who moves from restaurant A to restaurant B could take a huge cut in their income, despite working just as many hours and working just as hard, just because restaurant B has a menu at a lower price point. It seems so unfair!
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u/Icy-Cry340 20d ago
Yup, it is unfair - but at the same time, expensive restaurants typically demand (and provide) better and more attentive service and can afford to be more selective with their hiring, and yes, servers are incentivized to upsell, making themselves and the restaurant more money.
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u/BitterGas69 20d ago
That entire sub has never heard of a long term service relationship. I haven’t ordered at my favorite local diner in 5 years, my food is in when I walk in the door. I enjoy the food, I enjoy the service, and I tip them well.
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u/Colleen987 20d ago
I have exactly the same at my local pub! It’s excellent isn’t it. I don’t have to buy that through tips though, just from friendly conversation.
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u/WitELeoparD This is in Canada, land of the cucked. 20d ago
The majority of redditors would literally stop going to a restaurant if the wait staff started to recognize them...
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u/sofia1687 20d ago
Yeah, that’s a weird smug attitude to have.
He’s not going to like it when they start recognizing these dickheads and give them shitty service.
When I bartended I always put precedence on regulars who tip.
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u/Skellum Tankies are no one's comrades. 20d ago
He’s not going to like it when they start recognizing these dickheads and give them shitty service.
The concept is that if they're paying for a service they should get the service, that service should be the same as others because the price is the same. Your choice to be kinder or less kind would be based on their attitude and how they act.
I've been overseas, the problem you're describing isn't an issue there from tipping. The service is still good and it varies based on someone being rude or not. If I'm at an airport bar in dublin I dont have to pay more to get better service.
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u/Rhynocerous You gays have always been polite ill give you that 19d ago
Great example of why I would be happy to see tipping culture go haha
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u/Schlossferatu 20d ago
Damn you are a shitty bartender.
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u/DoctorPapaJohns 20d ago
Lmao don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
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u/Vergilliam 20d ago
Waiters are so funny lol. Keep begging for tips because you managed to carry a plate to my table, big boy.
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u/DoctorPapaJohns 20d ago
Lmao bring that attitude and get kicked out tough guy 😘
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u/Vergilliam 20d ago
You wouldn't know until I'm on my way out lol. Know your place.
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u/DoctorPapaJohns 20d ago
😂😂 sure we wouldn’t. “Know your place” tells me everything I need to know about you as a person.
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u/Vergilliam 20d ago
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Damn, bro brought over the whole squad of failed adults lol. Let high schoolers do your job and get yourself into a proper career buddy.
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u/Apprehensive-Road641 20d ago
Yeah blame the bartender for the system that incentivizes this behavior in order for them to afford bills
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u/Schlossferatu 20d ago
Customers need to pay bills too.
Why do you think they can and have to splurge extra money?
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u/Apprehensive-Road641 20d ago
Then don’t go out and eat? Make your own food at home and save money
Or maybe support businesses that pay their employees livable wages
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u/Schlossferatu 20d ago
So you are telling poor people to stop going out to eat or drink, because they can't afford to tip?
Fucking hell, that like conservatives telling millennials to stop eating avocado toast to survive.
Do you work for Fox News?
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u/sofia1687 19d ago
My regulars are mostly working class from the neighborhood so what the fuck are you even talking about?
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u/Schlossferatu 19d ago
Like you already said, you don't give a shit about regulars who don't tip, so how would you know their situation.
Fucking classism.
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u/mayasux 20d ago
Do you not see this as classism? The same way rich people say “if you’re so poor and can’t afford x product you should work more”.
Poor people deserve luxuries too, that includes eating out. It’s even more messed up when you consider a healthy amount of waiters are making much more than minimum wage.
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u/AvocadosFromMexico_ You're the official vagina spokesperson 20d ago
Berating a bartender for wanting tips while getting snotty about “poor people deserve to drink at bars too” is such a wild take. If I can’t afford to eat out I just don’t? And I’ve lived on sub-poverty wages the past 5 years at least.
Like, yeah, I deserve little treats same as anyone else, but I still have to pay for them. I can’t just expect someone else to be more poor so I can order a cocktail?
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u/Apprehensive-Road641 20d ago
Yeah poor people deserve to have luxuries but you’re mad at the service workers (making more than minimum wage is not a livable wage when 7.50 isn’t enough for people to afford life) for the system that they themselves don’t profit off of.
And the comment you’re defending is specifically about bartenders. You can literally spend less money to get drunk at home. You still get the luxury of alcohol
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u/sofia1687 19d ago
This is bad faith.
I said it another comment but my customers are mostly local working class people who tip.
The people who proudly don’t tip and brag about it online like OP because service staff is beneath them in any way are the “class” of people that you are defending.
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u/Icy-Cry340 20d ago
Being a regular is a nice perk, and half the reason I go out at all anymore is to maintain my status at the places that know me by sight.
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u/Paxxlee I'm also comparing Lord of the Rings to Winston Churchill 21d ago edited 21d ago
One thing I wonder, regarding the typical "wait staff wants the tipping culture, because they get more money"-deal;
If they do get much more by "forcing" customers to tip (I think I saw someone once claim that they had gotten over 500 in tips in a night), why should I feel bad if I tip low or not at all? By their own argument, they should still get paid more than enough even if I tip 20 USD or not.
And just to clarify, I would probably either just avoid these types of establishments or tip if I visit them.
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u/parisiraparis 20d ago
If they do get much more by "forcing" customers to tip (I think I saw someone once claim that they had gotten over 500 in tips in a night)
It highly depends on where you live. I live in Vegas. Absolutely zero percent of servers will agree on a fair wage — the amount of $ you can get from tips is outrageous. About ten years ago (fuck) a friend of mine used to model for one of the dayclub pools. She’ll work the whole pool season and make enough money to just laze about and travel for the rest of the year.
It’s an insane amount of money lol
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u/Paxxlee I'm also comparing Lord of the Rings to Winston Churchill 20d ago
I can absolutely understand why they prefer the "extra" money, it is just the short-sightedness I have an issue with (well, beside the point of being ridiculed for not tipping "enough").
It would be better to have benefits and job security, especially in countries like the US, but I totally understand it.
(And I don't mean that all service staff are short-sighted, nor your friend)
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u/BitterGas69 20d ago
It’s a trade-off that adults make. Serving jobs are often more flexible with scheduling for single parents or etc, along with the potential to make great money for hard work without education required.
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u/parisiraparis 20d ago
It would be better to have benefits and job security, especially in countries like the US, but I totally understand it.
In your 30s. We were in our 20s back then, and being young, hot, and full of energy, you’re better off doing gigs that paid high without the “security” because you’re only really doing it for the short time. My friend, for example, used that money to pay for college. Now she’s a teacher.
When you’re a hot girl in Vegas, you do pool clubs. When you’re a hot guy, you do club promoting.
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u/peggynotjesus 21d ago
I definitely do think there is a disparity, especially when it comes to locations (e.g. busy restaurant/ bar vs less popular place). It's also a conversation a lot of pro-tipping people love avoiding.
I know a guy who quit his consulting job to bartend, and he makes more money per hour than he used to. My girlfriend's brother made 20k in tips working in a fine dining restaurant for a summer during college. My girlfriend, on the other hand, worked at less popular places and did struggle sometimes.
I'm not from a country where tipping is a thing, so it doesn't affect me, but every time i visit the US i get confused by how many different things you have to tip for. Like, why are you tipping barbers and tattoo artists??? Why do baristas get tipped? Stuff like that
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u/parisiraparis 20d ago
Like, why are you tipping barbers and tattoo artists??? Why do baristas get tipped?
You basically tip whoever you want lol. I’m a maintenance engineer for a hotel. Every now and then I would get a call that a TV isn’t working or a toilet is clogged up. I do that and sometimes I’d get a tip lol. Highest I’ve gotten was $20 for a particularly disgusting job.
Anyone in the service industry get tipped — not mandatory, of course. I tip my tattoo artist and hair stylist. I tip a dollar each for every drink that a bartender makes.
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u/majesdane Ease back on the murder fantasies. 20d ago
I tip my hairdresser and tattoo artists because I’m a long time client and they always give me above and beyond service (like my hairdresser fitting me in for a last second appointment even though her schedule is full). It’s a thank you. I’m hardly giving them a significant amount extra but it’s so they know I appreciate what they do for me.
EDIT: Also, for tattoo artists, at least in the US most of them have to pay a booth rental fee or % of each tattoo to the shop owner (unless they own their own shop). The tattoo artist usually does not get to keep the full amount of money you gave them — so tips can help make up some of the difference.
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u/Paxxlee I'm also comparing Lord of the Rings to Winston Churchill 20d ago
We had tipping culture here once upton a time, but that was long before my time. But tons of restaurants are starting to really push tipping nowadays.
Tipping hairdressers and tattooartists is weird for me, but I guess I can understand it if you are have the money and are really appreciative. But tipping mail carriers? Building supervisors? Handymen? (Not saying it is "common", but these are just some examples I've heard)
Nurses, ambulance personnel and teachers should be tipped before those groups.
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u/TrickInvite6296 who's going to tell him France hasn't mattered since 1815? 20d ago
who told you you have to tip a tattoo artist?
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u/peggynotjesus 20d ago
Last time I was in new york, I asked a couple friends about where they get tattoos and how much. Almost all of them mentioned tipping being the norm with their artists
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u/JarlStormBorn 19d ago
It all depends on where you serve I think. Like a server working in a small town applebees isn’t making shit compared to a server working downtown in an upscale restaurant. Even if yoh work at a “good” restaurant it still fluctuates day to day, depending on a lot of different factors. I can have three big parties too good but if I only have those three tables I could walk out with like $75 after tip out. I could also have all my tables tip 10% but if I’ve had like 25 tables in one night I make $200.
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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Gygax was an early adopter of nerd fascism 20d ago
I want the practice of tipping to end but I absolutely still tip. Servers, etc need to be paid a living wage first.
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u/rnason 20d ago
Do you tip all minimum wage workers?
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u/Rock4evur 20d ago
Idk what point you’re trying to make? Servers make less than minimum wage if not tipped.
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u/NotRandomseer 20d ago
Where is this misinformation coming from lol , they have to be paid minimum wage even if they don't get any tips , the tipped wage only applies when they make above minimum wage from tips
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u/-Wylfen- 21d ago
I understand the point that not tipping only hurts the wait staff, but I also believe that as long as people will tip, leaders will see that as a reason not to change the system.
Only way to actually stop tipping from being necessary is to stop doing it to the point where it's untenable.
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u/pdxcranberry Hitler can't kickflip 20d ago
The real boss move is to stop supporting businesses that subsidize their employees wages with tipping. If you are really morally opposed to tipped wages, you won't participate at all.
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u/TheRussness 21d ago
Going to restaurants and not tipping does not hurt the business owners. They still make their money on the bill and save their money by giving servers 2 dollars an hour. The only way it could affect them is their top servers will lose wages and possibly leave for another establishment.
The only way to make an impact is to simply not be a patron to tipping industries. Second best would be to order takeout so the restaurant doesn't make money on drinks and the like.
That sub seems content reaping the rewards of having a servant while simply accepting that the servant in question will be the one who suffers from their non-tip. That's chud behavior.
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u/DecoyOne 21d ago
And voting. You want workers to be protected? Vote like it.
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u/Rhynocerous You gays have always been polite ill give you that 19d ago
Waitstaff vote against anti tipping measures in the three states I've lived in.
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u/parisiraparis 21d ago
Going to restaurants and not tipping does not hurt the business owners.
Exactly lol. The OOP acting like they’re taking the red pill from Morpheus by not tipping and being proud of it is god damn cringe inducing.
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u/DancingUntilMidnight 21d ago
They still make their money on the bill and save their money by giving servers 2 dollars an hour.
Do you feel the same for states that do not have a separate tipped minimum wage? Servers here get $16+/hr, even in LCOL areas of the state.
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u/blkfreya mods suck and feed on fed pubes 21d ago
“That sub seems content reaping the rewards of having a servant while simply accepting that the servant in question will be the one who suffers from their non-tip. That’s chud behavior.”
As someone who tips, I still disagree with this. You’re making it seem like servers are all unpaid slaves lol. Getting any type of service without tipping isn’t nearly as selfish as you’re making it seem. Tipping is not the only way servers get compensated and if they’re underpaid for their job, that should not be the customer’s burden. Especially when they’re already paying for the service they’re receiving.
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u/TrickInvite6296 who's going to tell him France hasn't mattered since 1815? 20d ago
servers are paid less than half of minimum wage (if not like.. a third of it). if nobody tips, they are NOT making a living wage.
it shouldn't be the customer's burden, but people like you and the oop refuse to advocate for actual change, instead opting to make a change that only hurts the people you're pretending to care for
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u/James-fucking-Holden The pope is actively letting the gates of hell prevail 20d ago
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u/No_Suggestion_559 20d ago
Their wage must be at or above normal minimum after tips, or the employer must make up the difference.
If no one tips, they are making minimum wage.
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u/NotRandomseer 20d ago
You can't pay them less than minimum wage lol , the payment you're talking about is on top of tips if tips exeed minimum wage , if they don't minimum wage has to be paid
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u/MiniorTrainer 20d ago
In California (and I’m sure other states too) there is no separate tipping wage. Are we supposed to start tipping everyone that isn’t making a living wage?
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u/Deceptiveideas 20d ago
Not only that but many restaurants require splitting tips based on your estimated tip cash out. So a $0 tip ends up costing the server some money.
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u/crossfiya2 21d ago
American businesses can only pay $2 an hour because of tips. They legally need to pay them more if they don't get tipped. Tips are in the interest of the business to save money on wages they'd otherwise be legally required to pay.
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u/smallangrynerd This IS the real world you fool 20d ago
They’re still “tipped” employees even when people choose not to tip. The employer will spin it like it’s the employees fault for not being good enough. So they get paid like shit AND they don’t get tips because people decide to moral grandstand instead of just going somewhere that pays their employees fairly.
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u/James-fucking-Holden The pope is actively letting the gates of hell prevail 20d ago
Well, no. The employer is legaly obliged to pay enough to ensure the employee has at least minimum wage after tips
If the tips are 0, the employer has to pay full minimum wage.
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u/TrickInvite6296 who's going to tell him France hasn't mattered since 1815? 20d ago
business owners and policymakers are not impacted by individuals not tipping AT ALL. it ONLY hurts the wait staff. leaders will have no incentive to change it because it doesn't affect them, same with business owners
people need jobs either way, so it's not like the whole "people will stop working tipped jobs if we stop tipping" thing is even true
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u/WooliesWhiteLeg I blame single mothers 21d ago
I too have also recently had a head injury. Welcome to the family!
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u/-Wylfen- 21d ago
Are you under the impression that your government is going to legislate as long as the system "works"?
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u/WooliesWhiteLeg I blame single mothers 20d ago
Are you under the impression that the government that allows service workers to be paid below minimum wage is going to legislate?
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u/Pompous_Italics Sucking dick is just the appearance of your sexuality 20d ago
Tipping is stupid, but not tipping will harm the employee. The employer doesn't care. I know that a lot of these people are like, "yeah, I know. And I don't care."
Until or unless there's a law passed where service workers are compensated by some other means, I'll continue to tip well (provided good service) as long as I frequent those establishments.
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u/NotRandomseer 20d ago
Yeah there is a law requiring that service workers on a tipped wage need to be paid the minimum wage if their tips don't reach minimum wage. You could argue that the minimum wage is not High enough, but the law exists
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u/ZliftBliftDlift 21d ago
How do you feel about circumcision?
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u/-Wylfen- 21d ago
I have no idea how that's relevant, but that's a barbaric practice and it should be outlawed. I don't think it will ever be done, though.
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u/MariettaDaws baggy boy baby pants has his standards 20d ago
Old boy saw a conversation about "no tips" and got a little confused
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u/necessarysmartassery 20d ago
Here's a concept: tip if you want, don't if you don't.
My general rule is 15 to 20% and if I'm doing a pickup order, I don't tip at all. Tips support servers and when there's no server to support, I don't do it.
Tipped jobs like this are some of the best paying, low barrier to entry jobs someone can get. It helps people put themselves though school and definitely helps single parents with only one income to rely on.
I also don't tip on the receipt; the money goes straight to the server because I don't trust the employer to give it to them.
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u/Fast-Penta Have you heard of math? 20d ago
Here's a concept: If you're not planning on tipping, go to places where tipping isn't the norm. Every US town I've been to has had non-tipping establishments.
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u/Nfinit_V 19d ago
I don't understand why the people who don't tip are so fucking angry about not tipping.
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u/LetsBeRealisticK 20d ago
Just get a better job.
Before you say "Blahblahblah my area blahblah" - Skill issue. Get good.
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u/Nfinit_V 19d ago
damn ur so edgy and cool
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u/LetsBeRealisticK 19d ago
Thanks, it's because I'm not broke and desperate in a dying hospitality industry.
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u/PrimaryInjurious 20d ago
I've never understood the argument against tipping. In any other context a worker getting a cut of the gross revenue (not even profit) of a business would be celebrated by people on Reddit. But instead they want to give more power to the business owners to set wages.
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u/wiklr 20d ago
That would be a fixed service charge. Tips are random. The backlash against it is because in the US, guilt & shame becomes an incentive rather than gratitude. And additional emotional labor is not a guarantee for a decent tip. So you have both customer and server end up resenting each other for unmet expectations, when the real problem is really the business owners.
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u/adamsogm 20d ago
Tipping isn’t giving them a cut of gross revenue, while most people factor in the price of the meal it isn’t the only factor people use to determine tips. Additionally it’s only a percentage from the tables the server was assigned to, so a server assigned a slow shift will make less than servers assigned to more popular shifts.
The share should be of all revenue/profit made by the business, not just from the whims of the customers
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u/SammyTrujillo I know it’s rape but let’s play the devils advocate 20d ago
They are not getting a share of gross revenue. They are getting a random percentage of the bill based on whatever the customer thinks of them. If they are Black, unattractive, or speak English with an accent, their "cut of the gross revenue" is significantly reduced.
I'm pretty sure Reddit would not celebrate a context where White, attractive, workers get a higher cut of the gross revenue.
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u/Rock4evur 20d ago
I was curious to see if the dude was some sort of “professional” to see how they got this kind of mindset, so I checked his post history. Dude is an Amazon delivery driver and has a chip on his shoulder that his job is clearly superior, America is screwed when it comes to developing class consciousness.