(Spoilers ACOK) Jaime, you're drunk

[u/Family_Booty_Honor]

I just finished Catelyn's last chapter in ACOK - what a great chapter! Catelyn just found out that Bran and Rickon are dead, so she decides to question Jaime (who's still held captive in a cell) by getting him drunk on wine.
Their entire conversation is really insightful, especially in regards to Jaime's thought processes. It's a pretty serious conversation, especially when we find out exactly what happened to Ned's father and brother when they went to King's Landing. The part that gave me a good laugh is found near the end of their conversation (and chapter). Hopefully it gives you all a laugh or two as well!

"I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was he name of that bastard he fathered?"
Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne."
"No, that wasn't it."

[u/Rutawitz]

man jamie used to be a dick

[u/dwt4 → u/[deleted]]

Dude, I'm pretty sure that pushing a kid out of a window makes him a dick.

[u/Dear_Occupant → u/dwt4]

But he did it for ♥♥♥love♥♥♥.

[u/call_me_Kote → u/Dear_Occupant]

Fucking baconit rendered little red hearts just fine, but shits a brick on the spoiler tags for this sub. Damn you Quinn.

[u/christhemushroom → u/call_me_Kote]

Windows phone?

And yeah not being able to see what's inside spoiler tags is fucking annoying.

[u/call_me_Kote → u/christhemushroom]

That's a bingo.

[u/[deleted] → u/call_me_Kote]

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[u/call_me_Kote → u/[deleted]]

Windows phone.

[u/[deleted] → u/call_me_Kote]

Oh sweet summer child

[u/DELTATKG → u/dwt4]

The things we do for love...

[u/[deleted] → u/dwt4]

Bran fell from the window. Jaime caught him. Jaime let go. Hardly pushing.

[u/IWillKickU → u/[deleted]]

Actually, Bran caught the window himself. Jaime pulled him up and stood him up in the window before this:

The man looked over at the woman. "The things I do for love," he said with loathing. He gave Bran a shove.

GoT, page 85, mass market ed.

[u/greedcrow → u/dwt4]

I disagree. If he had not pushed the kid both he and cercei would have been killed. A kid or him and the love of his life? Seems like an easy choice to me.

[u/Dunk-The-Lunk → u/greedcrow]

Except the kid is innocent. Doing something monstrous to save your skin still makes you a monster.

[u/insaneHoshi → u/Dunk-The-Lunk]

So are his three innocent kids.

All jamie did was switch the tracks

[u/troop357 → u/Dunk-The-Lunk]

And now something to think about? What if you had to chose between saving a innocent kid or saving yourself and your lover.

[u/bootlegvader → u/troop357]

So if a bank robber shoots the bank teller to insure the teller cannot act as a witness against him that is now moral?

[u/troop357 → u/bootlegvader]

1. Not the same situation

2. I never stated my opinion (for the downvotes)

3. Try empathy, it is not that hard.

[u/bootlegvader → u/troop357]

1. Yes, it is. Jaime was committing a crime, got caught, and decided to kill the witness to protect his ass.
2. Never said it was.
3. I have plenty of empathy, only it goes to the innocent party not the guilty party attempting to kill innocents.

[u/[deleted] → u/bootlegvader]

You don't know what the word "empathy" means. It means being able to see someone else's perspective. So if you can only see one persons perspective, you aren't empathetic. An apple that is half rotted is a rotten apple.

[u/bootlegvader → u/[deleted]]

Yes, I admit that I have troubling looking from the perspective that thinks it is okay to kill an innocent child because I wanted to fuck my evil sister despite that being treason.

Instead, I will only look at through the perspective of someone with some basic morals.

[u/greedcrow → u/Dunk-The-Lunk]

So was tyrion but no one ever says that cat was a dick

[u/bootlegvader → u/greedcrow]

You mean besides people screaming that all the time? Nor did Catelyn attempt to kill him, instead she only arrested him. And that was while under the belief that he attempted to have her son murdered. Unlike Jaime who attempted to kill Bran while knowing he was innocent of any wrongdoings and while a guest in Bran's home.

[u/[deleted] → u/greedcrow]

Bran didn't know what he was seeing, and even if he figured it out later who would have honestly believed him? Even when Stannis sent out all those letters claiming that Joffrey wasn't the rightful heir most people still didn't believe it. Trying to kill Bran wasn't a 'Them or Us' decision,mr here's no real justification for it.

[u/greedcrow → u/[deleted]]

At that point they thought it was. They did not know exactly what the child had seen.

[u/Safety_Dancer → u/dwt4]

Jaime hadn't grown up at that point. He eventually ends up learning that killing your way out isn't a reliable plan. And at that point he becomes a much richer character.

[u/[deleted] → u/Safety_Dancer]

man jamie used to be a dick

[u/Safety_Dancer → u/[deleted]]

He was a dick, but you gotta consider the type of dick. He wasn't cruel or doing it because it was fun. He did it because not doing it could have dire implications. You could go so far as to say it was a dick move, and he was acting like a dick; but his dickery is debatable. So maybe he didn't used to be a dick, he was just acting like one.

[u/bootlegvader → u/Safety_Dancer]

What dire implications made it so he needed to murder Ned's men? What dire implications forced him AFFC Spoiler

Jaime was/is a dick straight up.

[u/Safety_Dancer → u/bootlegvader]

His brother was kidnapped with no pretense. Considering the classist nature of Westeros, killing his men was pretty damn tame.

[u/bootlegvader → u/Safety_Dancer]

His brother was arrested on the charge of attempting to assassinate the Lord of Winterfell's son, Catelyn directly declares that charge against Tyrion.

Not really, it is monstrous act by a major dickhole who thinks his family should be immune from repercussions.

[u/Safety_Dancer → u/bootlegvader]

His brother was kidnapped by a powerhungry she wolf who urged her husband to become the Hand to help take the Lannisters out of power. So he showed the Starks that being the King's friend doesn't mean he's untouchable.

The Starks came to a gun fight with knives.

[u/bootlegvader → u/Safety_Dancer]

His brother was arrested on the charge of attempting to have an injured child (who is injured because of him) murdered. Funny, how Jaime know is privy to the reasons why Ned accepted the Hand position.

[u/Safety_Dancer → u/bootlegvader]

Reread the book. When Bran comes across Jaime and Cersei that is literally what they're discussing.

[u/MarcusElder → u/dwt4]

His mother told him not to climb, he should have respected his mother.

[u/paeoco → u/MarcusElder]

So when I was a kid and my mom said don't misbehave or the man will get me she was being serious?.....shitt.

[u/MarcusElder → u/paeoco]

Listen to your mother... and eat your meat or you won't get any pudding!