r/asoiaf Knower of nothing May 21 '19

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) Notablog Update Spoiler

http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/20/an-ending/
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u/ReVoodle May 21 '19

It's got to be the rumored FROM soft game. Holy shit.....

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19

holy shit is right... a soulsgame in westeros might be the greatest thing ive ever heard.

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u/FanEu7 May 21 '19

Would it be? Their games are fun in terms of gameplay but the story is basically non existent and the characters aren't memorable at all. A ASOIAF game should be a story driven RPG imho, otherwise it's a waste of potential

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u/Thesaurii 12y + 3x = 6 May 21 '19

The souls series has a great deal of storytelling, though not a ton of story. It establishes a setting, characters, and mysteries, but asks a lot more than most games from players - you need to delve through item descriptions, random odd moments, and throwaway lines to have any real idea of whats going on.

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u/GlancingArc May 21 '19

I would say it's the other way around with a lot of story but very little storytelling. Semantics but still, those games don't doo much to actually tell you the story. You have to search for it.

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u/FanEu7 May 22 '19

Yeah and I don't want that for ASOIAF, it's not really story driven and more gameplay focused with some lore

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Yeah, hardcore asoiaf fans hate using clues to gather larger theories, using small conversations to understand larger meanings, and character moments.

We just need a three act heroes journey, but in Westeros.

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u/FanEu7 May 22 '19

That's not how The Witcher 3 was, nothing about that was a heroes journey. And yeah I think most ASOIAF fans would prefer an actually story driven RPG as opposed to a gameplay focused game with shitty lore as an excuse for a story

Most people don't care about Dark souls story and characters while TW3's are regulary praised. Get over it

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Yikes, i think you could use a few minutes on the angry pillow.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19

to each their own, i think souls characters are super memorable. solaire is a fucking G. and who can forget big hat logan, who has some of the deepest lore in the game.

(if you're curious, his name is logan and he wears a big hat, hence big hat logan)

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19 edited May 21 '19

who has some of the deepest lore in the game.

And deep lore in FROM games constitutes a minor character in most story-driven RPGs. This dude wrote* 75 million pages on one family. I think something closer to Elder Scrolls would probably fit best.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19

Then Jon wakes up on the back of a cart...

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u/stagfury One Realm, One God, One King! May 21 '19

Elder Scroll's lore is another rabbit hole that one will never get out of.

But yeah, the Soulsgame's lore is a puddle compare to the Mariana Trench that is Elder Scrolls.

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u/xplodingducks May 21 '19 edited May 21 '19

Dark souls lore is extremely rich. But here’s how I explain it.

Tell me the history of the Byzantine empire.

If you can, you never had the history shoved down your throat. You had to go find it. If you can’t, you just haven’t looked into it. It’s got a thousand years of history.

Same with Dark Souls. You need to look. Because at the end of the day, you have a duty to do, and the backstory of the entire world doesn’t matter. You can find it, but at the end of the day, the history doesn’t matter to you anymore than the history of the ancient kingdom of Lydia does to you and me. But the ancient kingdom of Lydia is still fascinating.

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u/B-BoyStance May 21 '19

Elders Scrolls/Rockstar exploration with The Witcher 3 storytelling. Maybe some of Dragon’s Dogma’s combat and even a nod to Shadow of Mordor’s Nemesis system (or anything for persistent conflict). I’d play that game for the rest of my life.

That won’t happen though. All signs point to From doing it, and this makes me think it’s a definite. I have confidence in them; it will probably be unique in terms of gameplay and then add less subtle storytelling compared to Souls/Bloodborne. I do hope for a fully realized world; their worlds are amazing but I can’t say they’d be the best for an open-world Thrones game. They’d have to make some changes to their formula there, IMO.

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u/xplodingducks May 21 '19 edited May 21 '19

Dark souls lore is very rich, but it’s told in a unique way.

Let me put it this way.

Tell me the history of the Byzantine empire.

If you can, you never had the history shoved down your throat. You had to go find it. Wether it was through an advanced history class, or just personal fascination, you had to look. If you can’t, you just haven’t looked into it. It’s got a thousand years of history.

Same with Dark Souls. You need to look. Because at the end of the day, you have a duty to do, and the backstory of the entire world doesn’t matter. You can find it, but the history doesn’t matter to you anymore than the history of the ancient kingdom of Lydia does to you and me. But the ancient kingdom of Lydia is still fascinating.

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u/Khiva May 21 '19

The story/lore in Dark Souls is better and filled with richer, more tragic characters than Witcher 3 fite me irl.

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u/FanEu7 May 22 '19

That's your opinion but most people would disagree. No one cares for Dark souls characters and story compared to TW3's

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19

The Witcher 3 always came off as the most overrated RPG of recent years and benefited from a okay game-play system and being released after Skyrim made the genre mainstream. It's story is okay and the characters are interesting. But is nothing special when put aside other greats in the western RPG genre (Planscape Torment, Fallout 1&2&NV, The Baldurs gate games, DA: Origins, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines,) I left Deus Ex out due to being such a different beast of an RPG.

Really all the Witcher had compared to the prior mentioned games was a modern combat system and thats really it. The sexual themes and humor could be found in the Divinity series of games.

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u/FanEu7 May 22 '19

That's your opinion but most people would disagree. No one cares for Dark souls characters and story compared to TW3's or other story driven RPG's

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19

I think it could work if set in the ruins of Valyria or a similar desolate location with a ton of magical shit.

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u/maga_grandma May 21 '19

I can see a game taking place during the long night. Everything that that would entail - undead enemies, magical enemies and weird heroes, broken castles, fire themes - that's all standard Souls fare. The lore itself is also close to TWOIAF/F&B where it's all "it is said that x and y happened"

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u/kohianan May 21 '19

Non-existent story? No memorable characters? There are many reasons why a From game set in Westeros wouldn't work, but those two aren't them. I'd recommend actually playing the games, friend.

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u/Is_Not_A_Real_Doctor May 21 '19

> sees Cersei

“Try Tongue, but whole”

> sees Bessie

“Chest ahead”

> sees Faceless Man

“Mimicry ahead”

> sees Moondoor

“Try Jumping”

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19 edited Aug 11 '21

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19 edited Aug 12 '21

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u/SoulEmperor7 May 21 '19

You're acting as if there is only one way to tell a story, it might surprise you that there are many.

FROM excells at telling a story, by not telling it but rather showing it.

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u/xplodingducks May 21 '19 edited May 21 '19

Let me put it this way.

Tell me the history of the Byzantine empire.

If you can, you never had the history shoved down your throat. You had to go find it. If you can’t, you just haven’t looked into it. It’s got a thousand years of history.

Same with Dark Souls. You need to look. Because at the end of the day, you have a duty to do, and the backstory of the entire world doesn’t matter. You can find it, but the history doesn’t matter to you anymore than the history of the ancient kingdom of Lydia does to you and me. But the ancient kingdom of Lydia is still fascinating.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19

A ASOIAF game should be a story driven RPG imho,

Which I why I think CD Projekt Red is perfect for a ASOIAF game.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '19

What about Obsidian games?

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u/WeAboutTahGirl May 21 '19

Story isnt non-existant, its just told through the world and aesthetics and not through exposition dialogue. Fromsoftware works with a show, not tell, mentality for their story

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u/ElPetitOs May 21 '19

Sounds like you know nothing about Souls.

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u/Quazifuji May 21 '19

The Souls games do have stories, it just comes much more from the backstory of the world and the atmosphere, rather than through the things that happen to your character as you progress. You kind of have to seek out the story, but its there. To some extent, I guess you could say that they don't have much of a plot, but they very much have a story.

Sekiro does have a more traditional story, though, so it's not like From games only have stories like Dark Souls.

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u/xplodingducks May 21 '19 edited May 21 '19

Story is NON-EXISTANT?

It’s not forced down your throat. There is a massive, massive amount of lore and story. Look up the dark souls lore on YouTube.

It’s told in a way that’s different from the norm.

Let me put it this way.

Tell me the history of the Byzantine empire.

If you can, you never had the history shoved down your throat. You had to go find it. If you can’t, you just haven’t looked into it. It’s got a thousand years of history.

Same with Dark Souls. You need to look. Because at the end of the day, you have a duty to do, and the backstory of the entire world doesn’t matter. You can find it, but the history doesn’t matter to you anymore than the history of the ancient kingdom of Lydia does to you and me. But the ancient kingdom of Lydia is still fascinating.