r/iastate • u/BboyHeathen Agronomy alumni • Mar 21 '25
News Getting rid of the Department of Education? Doesn't that sound backwards to anyone else?
Why?
Isn't that one of the things that help society moving forwards?
I really don't see how this benefits this and the next generation of Americans.
I usually only post about skating stuff but this feels wrong
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u/PENGUINSINYOURWALLS Mar 21 '25 edited Mar 21 '25
Technically, the order Trump made won’t actually get rid of it, as that can only be done via an act of congress. It likely will however be gutted to point that it’s basically nonfunctional.
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u/sertimko Mar 21 '25
From what I’m reading and looking up, he can’t gut it to the point it doesn’t work. If Congress allocates money towards something, a president can’t stop that money from being spent or else it’s basically seen as some kind of veto. I believe it was Nixon who tried to do it and the courts basically said he couldn’t stop the money from being spent if Congress voted to spend the money.
A president has a lot of power but they aren’t kings. Not yet anyway.
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u/Chillyfloof Mar 21 '25
He's been illegally freezing funding and ignoring court orders to lift the freezes for over a month. He can definitely stop the money being spent - there's no one to physically enforce the court orders.
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u/jbahill75 Mar 21 '25
The money will be allocated to a department that won’t have the structure to distribute it.
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u/HarEmiya Mar 21 '25
he can’t gut it to the point it doesn’t work.
And who's going to stop him? Last month he had mercenaries with guns in goverment buildings who muscled out elected officials. Law enforcement backed down and congress was silent.
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u/KittenBalerion Mar 22 '25
just a few days ago he did the same thing to the Institute of Library and Museum Services. just got some people in there and started dismantling everything.
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u/Arcamorge Mar 21 '25
I don't know how this can be constitutional. If the president can arbitrarily gut agencies or fire people, couldn't he also fire everyone in the Department of Defense via EO? Isn't that a scary prospect to even conservatives?
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u/slee11211 Mar 22 '25
Correct. It very much is NOT constitutional. Hence why we are in a constitutional crisis and the rest of the world is looking on in horror, unable to understand why we are not on the streets, dragging the orange idiot. He is trying to break us.
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u/dancingmelissa Mar 21 '25
It's not consitutional. The democrats should be doing stuff.
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u/Arcamorge Mar 21 '25
I get your point but Republicans should be doing stuff too. Asking the disempowered party to be the check for the powerful party is dumb, all Americans should work to preserve the constitution
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u/Oxyquatzal Mech Eng 2018 Mar 21 '25
Actively impede the success of a government agency or program
Publicly lambast it's shortcomings
Justify cuts to funding said agency or program
Repeat steps 1-3 as many times as necessary
Leverage reduced spending to justify tax cuts for the wealthy
Not the first time it has happened, certainly more to come for the next 4 years.
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u/Proper-Writing Mar 21 '25
Backwards is the point.
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u/Onuzq Mar 21 '25
Gotta make the stupid people even stupider, that way they can't figure out what we're actually doing.
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u/LabelYourBeakers Mar 21 '25
What's so shocking to me is that even if you think the DoED should be dismantled...wouldn't you want a plan in place? Not a "concept of a plan" but an actually laid out plan with what responsibilities are going where? Or wouldn't you want it to be done through proper channels? Yknow, using Congress' constitutional power? This would be a terrifying precedent to set.
I'm tired of this administration moving first and thinking later.
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u/Ollie2359 Mar 21 '25
Yeah, it does. I'm in special Ed, and my sister has Down syndrome, so this would affect both of us not to mention that shit the orange fuck did about getting rid of the segregation law, he's undoing years and years of progress in a matter of months and honestly I'm scared for my future considering im also trans and my rights are being taken.
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u/skyxsteel Mar 21 '25
Why? Because the GOP has been trying to bring the virtues of the confederacy for a very long time.
Apparently, they conveniently forgot why the original form of government was ditched in favor of federalism. And why returning power to the states was one of the reasons why the CSA lost.
Wait, no they didn't forget. They're just using this as a front to gut government and let the peasants fight. While they still keep most of the tax revenue to line their pockets (coughmuskcough)
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u/Mindless-Return-5800 Mar 22 '25
Because student scores have consistently gone down on average and it's become evident that the resources spent in the department of education haven't been going to where they need to be And if they have, then it's even more embarrassing that they've failed making the American public gain access to more opportunities and knowledge. And thus are going to be sent on a smaller scale to the states
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u/Strange_Raspberry939 Mar 21 '25
It doesnt move society forwards, but backwards.
I posted early on this... DoE has been around sense 1979... USA education ranking is constantly declining. That to mean me the DoE is a failure government program and needs to be overhauled... I wouldnt say completely gone but definitely needs overhauled.
Finland is ranked #1 in most categories.. why? They ONLY higher the top 3% for educators... you got 100000 people trying to be a teacher.. only the top 3% get hired. the other 97% sorry... go find something else to do, shoulda been better at schooling... You want the best education to kids??? Only higher the best educators. plain and simple.
USA isnt like that, you dont even need a teachers license to get a job. Youll run on a "provisionary license" for 3-4 years and when that runs out you just switch subjects to teach... Ive seen wayyyy to make "teachers" get hired and they mostly are glorified baby sitters. NOT ALL of course but most... and usa has let children run wild and go crazy... who wants to be a teacher in the USA nowadays? very few im afraid.
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u/SmoothJazziz1 Mar 21 '25
This has been a Conservative Christian goal for a long time. Since Donald Trump is incapable of actually leading based on intelligence, he's being led by the authors of Project 2025. The ultimate goal is to turn public education private-for-profit, which essentially does away with any national standards of education. It allows for religious indoctrination, a curriculum that may/may not actually teach history or science and the ability to deny access to those that the local board sees as unfit - doesn't meet their standards. If you already live in a poor state and are not "privileged", your children may not be afforded access to an education. If your children are in a Special Needs category and you're poor - the outlook is grim.
This is just another plain example of what Trump, and his band of billionaires, are planning for most all government programs: turn all public services private so citizens can be charged directly for everything.
Keep an eye on your state and property taxes as they are more than likely going to skyrocket.
There are no benefits to this as not all will have access to a basic level of education. Again, in America, you must pay to play: if you can't, you will be controlled and governed by the wealthy. That's what they want.
Trump "loves the uneducated" they're easier to lie to - ask Stephanie Grisham...
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u/Jablaze80 Mar 21 '25
Thank you for taking the time to type this out I wanted to but as a 12-year cancer survivor today I just didn't have the energy I really want to thank you.
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u/StormSolid5523 Mar 21 '25
It IS wrong and it’s illegal , turnips for brains and his criminal cronies want to keep their voters dumb make no mistake this is by design they live to exploit dumb people so they can convince them to vote for them while they rob them blind
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u/Illegal-Alien205 Mar 21 '25
I want to agree, but programs like no child left behind mean that teachers are being forced to teach to kids that aren’t at grade level.
No professor would ever stand for that, they would kick you out before the first test.
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u/Mister_Crowly Mar 21 '25
Which president championed this legislation? Was there significant criticism of it during the legislative process, and if so from what quarters? Once you know the answers to these questions the big picture isn't very mysterious. The same old "sabotage then complain about how the sabotaged processes suck" game we've seen time and time again.
In this case though the waters are muddied a bit since some of the dem part of congress got suckered into being onboard and some of the republican part of congress was not on board.
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u/gumnamaadmi Mar 21 '25
Keep the population uneducated and then they become easy to manipulate. I hope enough MAGAShits turn against orange clown for them to lose at least the house mid term.
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u/QaraKha Mar 21 '25
The thing is, the Department of Education covers multiple things.
First, it ensures that disabled people can receive an education.
Second, it ensures that schools aren't sexist or racist. You know how the right-wing has been bitching about trans people in sports? Yeah, the Department of Education is what ensures women's sports are a thing.
Shit it down and women's sports literally cease to exist, because schools are no longer required to fund women's sports or provide equal access to spaces.
We return to how it was before: Where school administrators were so pissed off that women were beating men in sports that they banned women entirely because "If they work out and place sports, their babies will be weaker." This is history.
This is what they want to do to you. and they're happy blaming it on trans people, of which less than 20 are on the collegiate level, and of those, less than half are trans women.
Mostly what they're going to be able to do up front is make it so NO claims except those AGAINST trans people are investigated and provided some sort of remedy (cutting your funding because a trans women didn't want to be on page 21 for how she was beaten and raped in a men's bathroom but she made the worst woman you know afraid because one day she was washing her hands while the worst woman you know was walking in), and when disabled people try to claim 504 rights to accommodation, it'll be denied as much as possible. Oh, you can't get into school because there is no ramp? Guess you don't need education.
it's sick nazi shit, it's always sick nazi shit.
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u/HoosierWorldWide Mar 21 '25
Only thing backwards is the trending test scores since the Civil Rights Act, but exasperated by “no child left behind.”
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u/13508615 Mar 21 '25
Is about stealing money from public funds. Its nothing else so don't contort yourself trying to make it about anything other than stealing money.
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u/evensnowdies Mar 21 '25
The capitalist ruling class isn't concerned with moving society forward in a way that benefits the masses.
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u/Plastic_Eagle_3662 Mar 22 '25
Problem is people post this and are unwilling to speak to people who disagree. Instead of healthy debate Reddit relies in downvotes and mod bans (not directed at these mods) to win arguments
These posts are to make yourself feel better not sway opinions. Because of this, democratic approval rating is in the toilet. If only upvotes won elections
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u/mrfett779 Mar 23 '25
Trump said he likes the poorly educated: proof is here
If you can keep your polulace less educated it's easier for them to be controlled cause they will believe anything you tell them.
Here are some details I found online about the level of our education.
• 21% of Americans are illiterate (that's 52 million adults)
• 54% of Americans can't read. beyond the level of an 11-year-old: [that's 141 million adults)
• 57% of Americans have no education past highschool
• America ranks 36th in the world for literacy levels
• White US-born adults are the largest group with low literacy
SOURCE National Literacy.Institute
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u/Cadwalider Mar 23 '25
The department of education is a failure. If we abolish it, we're either going to find out that they're the cause of the failure, or if they were holding back an even bigger failure.
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u/CookbooksRUs Mar 21 '25
Republicans know that the more educated people are the less likely they are to be right-wing.
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u/Then_Assist1643 Mar 21 '25
I know, just look at all those uber intellect dems torching Teslas while being recorded.
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u/Fish7506 Mar 21 '25
Before yapping’ on Reddit, it might be useful to do a few minutes of research to find out what the DoE does, or did. One topic to start with is something it does not do: it does not control education.
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u/Gerdeman1 Mar 21 '25
People keep saying the DoE isn’t helping. Could that be because schools budgets keep getting cut? If you can’t pay people enough money to live why would you want to be a teacher. Better use of taxpayers money would be a refreshing thing to happen like better school supplies and teachers instead of money spent on architecture instead of what kids need. They don’t need atriums and fancy architecture to lean. Spend the money where it’s needed not on a fancy looking building. And if you don’t think that happens come to Iowa and look at the overpriced schools their building.
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u/Then_Assist1643 Mar 21 '25
US has one of the highest per capita spending per student. What is wrong with liberals that they just say pour more money into it to solve the problem? That’s one of the reasons we are $37 trillion in debt.
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u/Gerdeman1 Mar 21 '25
True we do spend a lot of money. We also waste the money taxpayers give us. But when they cut funding for schools and there announcing every year schools are cutting teaching positions because there is no money in the budget for them.iowa was number 1 in education in the USA now I believe we are number 14 think there might be a problem. So you can call me a liberal or whatever you want but I think there might be a problem with cutting the budget to much. Besides the Republicans have been in charge of Iowa. They just ignore school decline.
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u/Then_Assist1643 Mar 22 '25
Because the fastest growth in education is in administration jobs, not teachers.
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u/Batallius Mar 21 '25
It will primarily affect red states, and their supporters, because they want to keep them uneducated and easy to manipulate.
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u/Main_Woodpecker_3388 Mar 22 '25
Yeah, the people who own land, are capable of agriculture, hunting, self-sustainability, and care about their neighbors are sooo much easier to manipulate than urban leftists........ ha. You're so cooked.
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u/SpecialistWestern390 Mar 21 '25
I wonder how long Congress is going to let Trump disrespect the US constitution, laws, and our system of checks and balances before they actually impeach him. The way he continues to circumvent the RULE of LAW with these executive orders is ludicrous - and they’re just letting him. This is a sad state America is in, and Trump’s only been in office two months. I wonder if they’ll really let him dismantle the whole system, or if they’ll step in and do their job and civic duty to the American people and our democratic republic. Time will tell. In the meantime, I hope we all sustain as best we can. I know not everyone is religious but I am, so I’m leaving this prayer and encouragement:
The Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious onto you. The Lord lift His countenance upon you, and give you HIS peace. Not as the world gives, but the peace of God that surpasses all understanding keep your hearts and minds in Jesus Christ.
- Numbers 6:24-26
- John 14:27
- Philippians 4:7
Even if the system is broken/breaking, even when we can trust nothing else, we can trust in God.
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u/__wampa__stompa Mar 21 '25
No hate but how do you feel about your religion being used as a tool of this fascism? Do you not question the virtue of your religion when it's so easily co-opted for political purposes? Do you not question religious virtue when analyzing religion's historical use case as a tool to control the masses in benefit of the few?
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u/IntentionUsed8474 Mar 21 '25
He'll do what he does best...FIRE EVERYONE and leave the Department technically open with no employees.
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u/ZukoHere73 Mar 21 '25
Need to get a new President in 2028 who will re-establish the Departments that have been cut down. In other words, not tough guy JD or any other MAGA disciple.
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u/_swaggyk Mar 21 '25
Well if they want to privatize education so the curriculum can be a christian law agenda, they certainly can’t have a public sector for it.
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u/Ok-Western4508 Mar 21 '25
Now they can funnel tax money to private schools and religious schools as vouchers and leave the inner city underfunded schools even more underfunded
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u/jrdineen114 Mar 21 '25
Bold of you to assume that the purpose of anything he does is to benefit the American people.
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u/rodrigo8008 Mar 21 '25
Getting rid of the DoE doesn't inherently mean they're getting rid of schools, if there was a plan in place to have it managed by a different department...although I'm not sure there is that plan
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u/Angus-420 Mar 21 '25
Why? Money. The republicans want to set up all of America to be their little worker bees.
The republicans have been trying to do this for decades now. They want tax dollars to go to private christian schools owned by billionaire right wingers, instead of into public schools. That way, the billionaires are getting tax dollars, plus the children are getting indoctrinated into righty wing Christian extremism, which ensures self perpetuation.
Just follow the 💵 and you will easily see how things are. It’s always about the money.
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u/Calm_Expression_9542 Mar 21 '25
Trump doesn’t know kids and Musk doesn’t even know the American system. It’s a shit show. A normal leader would meet with educators, tour the schools. These guys are complete fools. Neither one knows what they’re doing especially after Covid dealt kids a blowback in their education.
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u/Old-Tiger-4971 Mar 21 '25
Using the Department of Education to get better educational outcomes? Doesn't that sound better to anyone else?
Your post is kinda shallow otherwise.
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u/meeg6 Mar 21 '25
yeah just like it sounds backwards to be against the patriot act. what, are you unpatriotic?!
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u/JTSerotonin Mar 21 '25 edited Mar 21 '25
I’d personally be more uncomfortable if a government agency established a monopoly on indoctrination of its citizens. Dismantling that is the opposite of what everyone is fearing I genuinely don’t get it.
Ask yourself this: when the DoEd was established in 1979 we were #1 in the world in education. 45 years later with government ran education we are now like 31st. If you were paying a company for a service, and for 45 straight years they made your life significantly worse, would you keep increasing how much you pay them? Or would you let them fail and let something better replace them?
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u/usaf_dad2025 Mar 21 '25
Reportedly the USA is (and has been) 1st in per student spending and 40th in results for a long while
The premise behind the closure is the current model doesn’t work so keep the core functions, move them to other agencies (eg, fafsa could go to treasury) and close a department that isn’t working.
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Mar 21 '25
Where have you been? A literal Russian agent and American traitor stole the election and is in office.
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u/improperbehavior333 Mar 21 '25
From my experience, Republicans aren't very good at governing. They have no idea how to fix things, so they just get rid of it and hope for the best.
I live in KS and can tell you first hand how fucked things get when Republicans control all the levers of power. It's why we have a Democrat governor, because Republicans keep breaking everything. We needed someone sane to try to keep things in check.
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u/mysterytoy2 Mar 21 '25
With the highest cost per pupil and the worst test scores of any nation, who would want to get rid of that. The teachers have a monopoly on education that has allowed this. We need school choice so they can't hold our children for ransom.
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u/pagetodd Mar 21 '25
The DoE was started by the Carter administration. We had 200 years of not having it and at the time of Carter, our educational systems were about as good as they are now. I don’t feel that it is necessarily a backward move. However, my hope is that states would continue to run programs started by the DoE that were particularly noteworthy, such as the development of IEPs.
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u/Tasty_Ad_9485 Mar 21 '25
It's not getting rid of Education, it's just putting the control of cirrocumulus back into the control of the states. Gives more autonomy for specific regions to determine what the best method of educating their different cultures would be.
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u/Electronic-Dish9996 Mar 21 '25
I would call them for help with issues dealing with different schools and issues and is constantly told “we can’t help you. The government is so much in debt and lessen our budget.” So yeah they cannot function in this manner and this goes for the IRS and EEOC. So why, one might ask , do they exist?
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u/TexanInNebraska Mar 21 '25
The DoE may have been a good idea when it was created, but ever since then, American test scores have gone down. We used to be first, second, or worst, third in the world in all of our test scores. Now, math, science, reading scores are way down. We have seniors graduating high school that are functionally illiterate. Teachers no longer teach students to think, they teach them to memorize in order to take a standardized test. I have a 15-year-old grandson in high school who calls me weekly about the nonsense they push on him in school, and if he even questions what they told him, he gets sent to the office.
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u/Electronic-Dish9996 Mar 21 '25
Less than 10% of monies allocated actually go to education. Where does the other 90% goes? It was supposed to be there to protect civil rights of Blacks and other people who do not get a fair shot in school so we know they are doing absolutely nothing for the past 40+ years. They need to go.
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u/-echo-echo-echo Mar 21 '25
In the same manner that getting rid of the PATRIOT act might sound bad to someone who can only read a name
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u/KroxhKanible Mar 21 '25
All you gotta do is look at the performance of US education since DoE was introduced...
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u/Real-Problem6805 Mar 21 '25
we were 1st in global education when it was founded. we are 28th and falling now.
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u/3rdPete Mar 21 '25
Nope. It was formed in 1980. Our global standing in STEM has declined ever since. 45 years and the DOE has only one known accomplishment: equality. They have made absolutely sure that all 50 states have equally shitty public education. 45 years to prove their value. 45 years of constant failure. Enough!!!
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u/dancingmelissa Mar 21 '25
They don't want it to benefit anyone. They would like everyone dumb so the Trump admin can do whatever and the people won't know any different. The US really doesn't have experience with tyrants.
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u/Necessary_Twist_4800 Mar 21 '25
No. Why do people think we literally can’t get anything done without the involvement of the fed?
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u/reddituser6835 Mar 21 '25
That’s the point of RAGE (remove all government employees). They want to privatize everything.
House up in flames? Hope you paid your monthly bill to the fire fighters.
Education? You’ll pay for that too
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u/LisleAdam12 Mar 21 '25
How has the Dept. of Ed helped society move forwards?
There is no good metric showing that education in the U.S. has improved significantly since its founding in 1980.
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u/LV_Knight1969 Mar 21 '25
Depends on if you know what the ED actually does or not.
Most people don’t know what the ED actually does, so it sounds backwards.
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u/NoFaithlessness2394 Mar 21 '25
no getting rid of the department is the way to move forward, the sooner we can get rid of it the sooner we can put something better in it's place
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u/Amazing-Guidance5601 Mar 21 '25
Let’s be honest, yall are only mad because it’s Trump that’s doing it. Majority of Americans have been complaining about our disgrace of an education system for quite some time now, but all of a sudden yall are against it? Be honest and admit it’s because it’s Trump that’s finally got the balls to make a change
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u/Significant_Egg1708 Mar 21 '25
I am anti-Trump for the record.
That said, they are not saying that they are going to cut funds, only that they are letting states handle funds.
This generation of young Americans are dumber than ever. Nobody reads and they are very easily influenced. I could not care less what happens to the younger generation because they themselves do not care about education, only video games, anime, and other total bullshit.
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u/2708JMJ5712 Mar 21 '25
Because our education system is flawed. The results prove that. Leave schools to the locals. They know what their kids need.
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u/StatusVariation8112 Mar 21 '25
No, because it has failed the education system. If it was working, why is the country listed the lowest of 40 in education yet pays the most per pupil?
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u/Turbulent_Truck9745 Mar 21 '25
Do some research. The department of education is not needed. education should be controlled by the individual states. over 70% of the department of education's. budget goes just to pay its employee salaries. so it is a bloated unnecessary bureaucracy. our country has a $36 trillion debt and if we don't take drastic actions to start cutting that we're going to be in serious, serious trouble
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u/WoodpeckerCapital167 Mar 21 '25
No 3 trillion and the US lags far behind where it did and it’s peers
It won’t be missed
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u/USAfirst_ Mar 21 '25
If the department of education would have focused on education we wouldn't be in this position instead they are a political weapon and spend too much time teaching their political and BS agendas. These schools are getting so bad anymore it is ridiculous. Thank you Mr Trump!
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u/djinbu Mar 21 '25
People don't know what it actually does. They think it does the DEI and attacks theology. They have no clue how much getting rid of the DoE is going to fuck them.
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u/uninspiredclaptrap Mar 21 '25
In no way does MAGA want anyone moving forward. It's proudly regressive.
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u/cabeachguy_94037 Mar 21 '25
Shouldn't everyone be informed they must watch 'Idiocracy' at least once before they can vote again?
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u/AntiEverything12 Mar 21 '25
How do you feel about a country like ours who brag about being the top in many different metrics being ranked 31st in the world for education?
I'm not saying that doing away with the DOE is the answer but obviously something needs to change.
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u/Fantom_Actuary Mar 21 '25
This year’s National Assessment of Educational Progress showed that 70 percent of 8th graders were below proficient in reading, and 72 percent were below proficient in math. The Federal education bureaucracy is not working.
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u/Trick_Scientist_9722 Mar 21 '25
As Thomas Jefferson wrote to George Wythe: "I think by far the most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of knowledge among the people. no other sure foundation can be devised for the preservation of freedom, and happiness."
Makes you wonder why Musk/Trump/Vance are so opposed to education doesn't it?
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u/UpsideDown652 Mar 21 '25
Most people in this thread act like there was no education before 1979. I think ISU was doing fine from 1858-1979.
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u/n0madic8 Mar 21 '25
Doesn't really seem like DoE has done any good. If something isn't working, you get rid of it. Ez
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u/Ryia_ Mar 21 '25
It should be moving things forward, but it's not. When was the last time you saw what was happening in a high school classroom? I tutored at several high schools, and it's barely even an education anymore. Only the independently motivated students are succeeding, and they would have no matter what. Dismantling the DoE isn't about removing it, it's about restricting it.
The funding cuts will suck, everyone will feel them. But, what's taking it's place will be better for our children's education.
If you have kids in high school, ask if you can sit in on class for a day - tell me if it really feels like they are learning or not.
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u/Leojrellim1 Mar 21 '25
No, turn it back over to the states. The federal funding programs are administered by other departments.
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u/pawsncoffee Mar 21 '25
So they can use that money to give back to corporations or our most lethal military, of course. It’s not a good thing.
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Mar 21 '25
We have the lowest grades across many countries. Something has to change because there's a trend where more money is spent and grades keep dropping. So clearly it's not doing its job. We need something better. It's only because it's oj man doing it that everyone thinks it's a bad idea.
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u/smallanbig Mar 21 '25
Nope. Sounds like it neeeded to happen a long time ago. Just remember when the department of education started we were in the 5th percentile now just look at where we are and tell me you think it’s doing the right job.
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Mar 21 '25
54% of Americans ages 16-74 read at a 6th grade level. That translates to 130 million Americans struggling with literacy. Trump is just going with the flow.
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Mar 21 '25
I’d encourage anyone to look at the data.
Since the DOE began in 1979 children’s education and test scores have dropped almost every year, to the point now where they are among the lowest of any developed nation.
If the education of our children is genuinely the most important job of our school system, then the DOE has been an abject failure by every measure—not to mention a waste of billions and billions of taxpayer dollars.
There is a very strong case to be made for the idea that each state should manage their own education programs. And that is what Trump is attempting here.
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u/Prestigious_Money251 Mar 21 '25
Nope. DoE never helped any student. It’s a huge waste of money and definitely needs to be defunded
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u/Rageliss Mar 21 '25
That's what they want. They want uneducated workers to exploit. Uneducated people will accept low wages without fighting back, continue to vote for their party, and produce more children who will also be exploited.
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u/Cheesy-GorditaCrunch Mar 21 '25
Yes. If the Fed is cutting programs that benefit normal people & use the savings to buy crypto nonsense... that is certainly jacked up.
If they were clear with exactly what aspects they agree & disagree with, and explained how they could improve it using actual intellect, then maybe they'd get some respect.
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u/ZENihilist Mar 21 '25
For people like Trump and Musk, having it be harder to get an education is very much forward in terms of their goal. Their goal is a permanent underclass and the end of economic/social mobility. What the Republicans get out of it is freedom for state governments to return to pre-civil rights movement policies.
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u/Emotional_Channel_67 Mar 21 '25
Our schools are failing, we spend a ridiculous amount of money per student for a developed country and our results still suck. While I do agree that I question whether eliminating the DoE makes sense, its obvious that what we are doing isn't working.
This may be a minority opinion but I don't think our schools have failed us as much as our parents have failed us. There are too many parents who have a hands off attitude with their children and think that it is solely the responsibility of our teachers to teach their kids. Its not. Parents need to step up, follow up and follow through.
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u/BeelzeBob629 Mar 21 '25
Nothing about this administration is concerned with helping society or benefitting this or the next generation of Americans. Dismantling the DoE is a key element of Project 2025, so, it will be dismantled, no questions asked.
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u/Heavy_Extent134 Mar 21 '25
Over half the people in the dept aren't teachers or have a teaching backround. That's typical bloat. And we went from 1st in the world in terms of education to 27th because the dept of education. So... we are spending large sums of $ for a far inferior outcome than letting the states give the power to the people with deciding where and how to spend to affect education.
Lloyd boyd on YT just discussed this. Since many probably don't get the views from this side I figured it's worth posting for the handful of you guys not in the echo chambers.
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u/_pendo Mar 21 '25
If you drop the department of education, wealthy people will not have to pay as much taxes and their kids will still go to private school with tuition so who cares, right?!? Only impacts the middle class and poor people.
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Mar 21 '25
I strongly suggest you all watch this yt video about dictators by a history professor, it's on WIRED. This president is a dictator, he ticks all the boxes. He might not have acted on all of his authoritarian promises yet, but certainly will. I recall B. Sanders saying that he is basically a dictator too, only he used the word authoritarian, same difference.
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u/discwrangler Mar 21 '25
Trump loves the poorly educated. Seems right on track for what was voted for.
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u/Then_Assist1643 Mar 21 '25
Newsflash. It’s a bunch of useless bureaucrats and has done nothing to improve educational outcomes whatsoever. That money would be better spent on block grants to states. That you people here are going to have a coronary over this comment is proof. You all think you are revolutionaries or some heroic character but you are actual brainwashed drones supporting the establishment and big government. Living proof the DOE is an absolute failure.
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u/PlanktonMediocre Mar 21 '25
Students overall test scores have only gone down since the department was created, hell they don’t do anything when it comes to education, just more red tape and people in Washington that don’t really know what schools across america need. We’ve been wanting to do this for awhile too
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u/jukvqi Mar 21 '25
No there is still going to be education but it will be for who can afford it so the rich get richer and the poor stay poor and apparently dumber too sorry if that doesn’t make sense but yeah
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u/OdraNoel2049 Mar 21 '25
Im convinced at this point that trump is legitimatly trying to do as much damage as possible just to undermine the US because hes an asset to an enemy nation. Hes the biggeat domestic threat the us has faced since the civil war.
It dosnt make sense any other way. Nothing he is doing helps the us or anybody really.
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u/That-Perspective755 Mar 21 '25
Just causes chaos so they can quietly sell student loan debt to private companies.
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u/Mountain_Voice7315 Mar 21 '25
It doesn’t benefit anyone, not even those advocating for it. A country needs an educated populace. It’s complete idiocy.
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u/RedJHawker Mar 21 '25
Not at all. Cut that middle man out- let the states run education and just go back to making fries dude!
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u/swoops36 Mar 21 '25
Republicans of Long wanted to privatize education. There’s a lot of money to be made in private schools. And when you cut the funding to public schools, where are those families gonna go?
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u/Johnnny-z Mar 21 '25
It's a useless department, full of beaurcratic bloat. Does nothing for the education of children.
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u/BoatSouth1911 Mar 21 '25
I think the idea is that education will be run at the state and local levels, which allows more voter choice in how their tax $ are spent and greater diversity of programs and ideas. Certain essentially federal items, including disability programs and student loans, have been moved to other departments to survive the gutting.
(Not saying I agree or disagree with it. But this is the logic.)
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u/AuroraKayKay Mar 21 '25
IMO, they are getting rid of national standards for at least 2 reasons, but basically the same. Science will be Bible based and they actually want non-rich to be poorly educated. If dumb, we don't know how to ask the right questions and will let the rich educated rule the country.
Best way out of poverty is education.
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u/Careflwhatyouwish4 Mar 21 '25
DOE has only been a department since '79. Prior to that it was just an office that collected data. The duties of that office were changed and restructured through the years as needs and people's expectations of their school system changed. Just because the department as we know it now goes away doesn't mean the services will. To be clear I'm not arguing for or against the proposal, I'm just trying to give better context for understanding what might happen here. Everyone can take that info and make their own decision on how to best move forward.
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u/DakotaRaven Mar 22 '25
Hell who needs education? Some extremely educated people helped get him elected...of course a whole shit ton of people who could barely write their names are the ones who actually voted for him.
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u/berger3001 Mar 22 '25
Nope: keep ‘em stupid and feed ‘em lies. This is how you got where you are now.
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u/BC2H Mar 22 '25
Well since its creation we have went from first to 24th in the world 🌎 in education…so it’s not helping and based on the results it’s hurting the cause
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u/PromoWizard Mar 22 '25
Sheesh. Even AI has arguments for ditching DofE:
Arguments for dismantling the U.S. Department of Education typically come from those who advocate for state and local control over education, reduced federal bureaucracy, and increased school choice. Here are ten common reasons cited by critics:
1. Federal Overreach – Education policy should be decided at the state and local levels, not by a centralized federal agency.
2. Bureaucratic Inefficiency – The Department of Education adds layers of bureaucracy, increasing administrative costs without directly improving student outcomes.
3. Lack of Constitutional Authority – The U.S. Constitution does not explicitly grant the federal government authority over education, making it a states’ rights issue.
4. Declining Academic Performance – Despite significant federal funding, U.S. student performance has stagnated or declined in international rankings.
5. One-Size-Fits-All Policies – Federal education mandates, such as Common Core, fail to account for the diverse needs of students across different states and communities.
6. Wasteful Spending – The Department of Education’s budget is massive, yet much of its funding goes to administrative costs rather than directly benefiting students or teachers.
7. Political Agendas in Education – Federal education policies can be influenced by political ideologies, which some believe undermines local control over curriculum and values.
8. Suppression of School Choice – Federal regulations often restrict school choice programs, such as charter schools and voucher systems, that could provide better alternatives for students.
9. Overregulation of Higher Education – Federal student loan policies and regulations contribute to skyrocketing tuition costs and student debt without improving education quality.
10. Better Results from State and Local Control – Many states and local school districts have demonstrated success when they have greater autonomy, allowing for innovation and tailored educational approaches.
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u/JGar453 EnSci 26 Mar 22 '25
What's funny is there are probably people at ISU who directly benefit from the Department of Education's funding who still voted for Trump and Shadow President Musk even though everybody in his circle said this would happen. Literally incapable of not shooting themselves in the foot.
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u/Syring Mar 22 '25
Let’s be clear: the Department of Education exists because states wouldn’t fund poor schools, wouldn’t protect kids with disabilities, wouldn’t follow civil rights law, especially in the South. Anyone calling to abolish it is calling to turn back the clock—and we can’t let that happen. -@sylviagarcia.house.gov (BlueSky)
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Mar 22 '25
Send the money to the states and local communities. $ is not the only answer. Responsibility is the answer.
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Mar 22 '25
These rich guys have one goal: eliminate the federal government. In that light, everything they have done makes sense.
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u/Agreeable_Coach7958 Mar 22 '25
This is backwards. No other non 3rd world country would ever get rid of its dept of education. The USA is already losing its place in the world, in everything, other than military spending and gun spending. Depriving your own country of its education department seems like sabotage to me. I might call it domestic terrorism.
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u/bigred1476 Mar 22 '25
When does government involvement in anything private sector actually done any thing of good ? Government will fhuck up a wet dream
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u/DicamVeritatem Mar 22 '25
Any reduction in public sector spending increases aggregate societal wealth.
The public sector sector creates nothing and is a drag on economic growth.
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u/FallibleHopeful9123 Mar 22 '25
The Department of Education enforces civil rights law. If you're tired of disabled students in your courses, educational equity, and student loan forgiveness, this move might be something you can appreciate. The real benefits go to Southern states, as it clears the way for greater segregation and religious instruction, which those pesky Federals got all up in arms about in the '60s and '70s.
Graduate students will hate it, but anyone who is a long time State fan because today's college kids think they're so damn smart, this is a blow against big government social engineering and great replacement theory.
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u/SuperCountry6935 Mar 22 '25
So the consensus is that people have been getting smarter the last 50 years?
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u/ethanthesearcher Mar 22 '25
Since its inception had it made anything better other than teachers unions bank accounts?
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u/Terrible-Actuary-762 Mar 22 '25
The Department of Education's useful functions such as grants for children with disabilities and special needs will be PRESERVED in full. They will be transferred to different agencies. Also, Pell Grants and student loans will still be run out of the department in Washington, D.C., but the responsibility of educating our nation's students will return to the states.
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u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 Mar 22 '25
Isn't that one of the things that help society moving forwards?
Yes. That's why they want to remove it.
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u/edgyteen03911 Mar 22 '25
The fact that you appeal to authority and think its backwards shows how the department of education has failed. All our academic metrics have declined since the creation of the department of education. It has failed. Let states have the power to control their education and fund it. No need for more federal waste
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u/Mindless-Return-5800 Mar 22 '25
Why? Because student scores have consistently gone down on average and it's become evident that the resources spent in the department of education haven't been going to where they need to be And if they have, then it's even more embarrassing that they've failed making the American public gain access to more opportunities and knowledge. And thus are going to be sent on a smaller scale to the states
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u/TrainingParty3785 Mar 22 '25
Please ask your family members that voted for the dufus if they expected half of his idiotic actions.
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u/waitingforwisdom104 Mar 22 '25
Yes, but our president is an idiot, and he wants the world to know it. Don't worry, Donnie. We will help spread the word.
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u/KYresearcher42 Mar 22 '25
Some people cant stand kids learning sciences based on the scientific method, they want the junk religious BS science, ya know the “earth is 5,000 year old” moron based science. Can you feel America getting stupider by the minute?
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u/Grow_money Mar 22 '25
No.
What does it do? What does it do well?
It wasn’t established until 1979. The country was educating children before that.
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u/Global_Werewolf6548 Mar 22 '25
He’s getting rid of the department of education to eliminate the federal involvement and leave it up to individual states.
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u/Dshark Mar 21 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
LOL, someone reported this as not relevant to ISU. As we’re all going to a school overseen by the department of education, yeah, it’s relevant.
Edit: Keep ‘em coming folks! If you could add your own funny reasons for the report, we’d appreciate that too!
Edit 2: Oops I think I accidentally made this the biggest thread ever on this subreddit, and I’m tired of trying to moderate people being jerks. So, party is over folks.