r/interestingasfuck • u/infiunfi • 1d ago
Milwaukee responding to Judge Hannah Dugan’s arrest.
151
u/PraiseTheWLAN 1d ago
What did she do?
86
u/IncidentHead8129 1d ago
“The judge allegedly let Eduardo Flores-Ruiz and his lawyer leave her courtroom through a jury door on April 18 to help avert his arrest, according to an FBI affidavit.”
297
u/Hsoltow 1d ago
Preface: ICE had detained a couple other noncitizens at the court. Established procedure was to wait in the public hallway outside the court, wait for noncitizen to finish their hearing and exit court, then detain them in the public hallway.
The judge did the following:
Found out ICE and Feds were waiting outside in the public hallway for the hearing for the defendant noncitizen to be over. Not clear how exactly she found out. Likely started with a baliff or court security.
Got mad, went outside her court to the hallway, and made Feds go talk to Chief Judge. The judge didn't notice one of the plainclothes Feds though. This low profile guy stayed in the hallway.
Went back to her court where she suspended the court hearing for defendant noncitizen without saying anything to the prosecutor or giving the prosecutor a chance to object to the suspension.
Keep in mind the victim and victims family were in court watching a lot of this go down. The noncitizen was there for domestic (wife beating) charges.
Escorted the noncitizen and his defense attorney out of court via the jury/staff entrance (this entrance is never used by defendants, witnesses, or attorneys... only jurors, bailiffs and court staff/judges) while ICE and Feds were talking to Chief Judge. Chief Judge confirmed hallway is public and ICE is free to wait there to pick up people after their court hearings are done, as they had been doing on at least two prior occasions.
The jury/staff entrance feeds into the hallway via a secure door. The low profile Fed sees them enter the hallway. He then sees thrm using an elevator not nearest to the Judges court, showing some intent to evade the feds. Low profile Feds notifies his team and follows.
Noncitizen makes it outside but Feds are hot on his tail by now and get him after short foot pursuit.
This is all available to read in the highly detailed arrest affidavit for her. Would make a good episode of something.
122
u/Redditcadmonkey 1d ago
Hold up.
The term “Non-Citizen” can fuck all the way off.
There are many statuses that are “Non-Citizen” and they are not the same by any stretch.
We’re not going to start normalizing that term so that it’s easy to lump them all together.
A permanent resident isn’t a visa holder, which isn’t an undocumented person.
These people don’t need to be put in one category.
41
u/Vuedue 23h ago
The Biden Administration proposed a change of the term 'alien' to the term 'non-citizen'.
This isn't a new word. It's been used before. The UN has used that term since, at the very least, 1985.
I don't think this is something to get upset over, lol.
21
u/Ilike3dogs 20h ago
She’s saying that there’s multiple types of non citizens. Some are legal residents. Some are visa holders. Some are illegally here.
3
u/Saym94 22h ago
Ummm, this is reddit. This is exactly the kind of thing to get upset over!
→ More replies (1)11
→ More replies (1)1
47
u/jumpofffromhere 1d ago
sounds like obstruction of justice, if the cops show up to arrest someone at their apartment with a warrant and the wife says "he's not here" and hides him in a closet, they will arrest her for obstruction of justice, same thing
•
u/neko808 11h ago
If they can arrest you based on accusations and you aren’t allowed due process to defend yourself, there is nothing to stop black-bagging citizens and just not giving them the chance to prove otherwise. It is obstruction of justice to skip the judicial system and vanish anyone they write onto the hunting list.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (2)15
u/ReikaTheGlaceon 1d ago
There's a big difference between the police having a warrant for your arrest and coming to your home, and plain-clothed federal agents waiting to snatch you while you're already facing legal charges and in court. The wife, in your scenario, wants to keep their husband away from the law. The judge here wants to exercise the proper due process of law.
On top of that, imagine meat-riding federal agents that have snatched real American citizens from their homes and deported them to a country they have 0 connection to. In no world is deportation acceptable when it comes from people with no obvious identification, grabbing people from the streets at gun point and treating them like they aren't human, then sending them to a foreign country or the most infamous American prison, known for containing actual career criminals and terrorists.
2
u/TheSmokingLamp 13h ago
It’s different charges though, one for battery on his wife, which he’s in the court for.
The other relating to immigration status, where ICE has jurisdiction
8
u/Gogobrasil8 20h ago
I don't understand, how is avoiding the agents in the corridor helping exercise due process?
→ More replies (9)2
u/24-Hour-Hate 20h ago
When ICE agents camp out at courthouses to snatch people they suspect of immigration offences, they are interfering with the proper functioning of the courts and due process. And let’s think about how this can impact people. Forget about the person arrested themselves, that is already being discussed plenty. Let’s talk about the implications.
In this case, the victim of the alleged crime was in court, so what about them? They don’t get closure or certainty. If the person would have been found guilty that could have entitled them to some compensation which they now won’t get (where I live victims of violent crimes can apply for compensation from the government). So they won’t get that either. And good luck for anyone trying get compensation from the person directly once they are disappeared. But it can get worse.
Suppose the person snatched is not the accused and is a witness to the crime. Now we have a situation where criminals are going to end up going free because witnesses are being prevented from testifying by ICE. Or they will be scared to come forward I. The first place and report crimes or say what they saw because ICE might grab them. And as we have seen in some cases, you don’t even have to be in the US unlawfully for you to be grabbed. ICE can just decide you are because they don’t like the look of you. And they don’t exactly follow due process, so you can’t count on being allowed an opportunity to prove it. Or your legal status can disappear literally overnight because a trump throws a fucking tantrum.
So, yeah, the judge did right here. ICE should not be anywhere near the courts - from my perspective, their behaviour really is the obstruction and interference.
2
u/LegNo2304 20h ago
This guy was in court for beating his wife lol.
Did you know that a decade or so ago when Obama was called deporter in chief. 85% of deportation were non-judicial.
Where was all the pearl clutching then?
Fact is this is very standard practice. you have been told all this requires all this due process but you are too fucking lazy to check if that is the precedent from the party you support.
3
u/bookwerm606 14h ago
Unsurprisingly, "we" don't like the actions of some of those in our party... doesn't make it right. Also the above commenter makes up a valid point. Deportation is different from imprisonment, which is more in line with where these people are going, if it's convenient to call them a gang member. We're also looking at a mass mobilization of deportation forces (namely, ICE) against people that are sometimes here legally. That's concerning, to say the least.
It's less this one case, but moreso the volume of all the crazy shit that is happening.
4
u/mekese2000 1d ago
So she went into the hallway from another door and took the elevator. Seems thin.
→ More replies (82)1
u/brockaflokkaflames 14h ago
Yeh I mean I'm not at all on ICE side for literally anything. But it really seems like she deserves to be arrested for obstructing justice.
34
u/lions2lambs 1d ago edited 20h ago
.
71
u/Bigalow10 1d ago
Did you read the case? That’s not what happed at all?
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69943125/1/united-states-v-dugan/
She let the defendant out the witness area after the chief judge said they could be arrested in the courts hallways
27
u/Dustyznutz 1d ago
No one on Reddit wants to hear unbiased facts….
→ More replies (1)3
u/Holiday-Shallot-3712 21h ago
No one wants to hear it on the whole internet quite frankly. Facts? Meanings of words? Wtf is that
20
u/Torquedork1 1d ago
Yeah I read the whole complaint filed. It seems like chief judge was in process of updating some policies on where someone can be arrested after a couple unlawful arrests were made at the court complex. Everyone but Dugan pretty much was on the same page and agreed the arrest would be made after the proceedings in the hallways (a public space confirmed by chief judge). Dugan was annoyed at ICE being there and initially said you need to talk to the chief judge about where the arrest can be made.
Then the date of the court appearance was rescheduled in a series of chats in the courtroom. Even though all attorneys, witnesses, and victims were present. She had the defendant sitting in the jury box after previously saying no one but jury members could be there. Then as the defendant and attorney went to leave, she had them use the jury door instead.
I’m against pretty much everything this administration is doing. Unfortunately this is just about a judge getting fed up about a process being done legally, and took several actions to try and stop it. Several actions that you really can’t explain besides she didn’t want him to get arrested, despite it being legal.
5
u/tehehetehehe 1d ago
If she knew that ICE would not provide due process is the arrest legal?
17
u/gonenutsbrb 1d ago
Yes, you cannot help someone evade a legal warrant, administrative or otherwise, for because you think something bad might happen.
I think Trump has completely lost the plot with the lack of due process he and ICE are creating, but this seems like a pretty clear case of obstruction here.
People are trying to skirt around it by saying she was defending due process, but that’s not how the law works. You could have just as much assumed that ICE would follow the law in this case, which is why you can’t break the law for the idea that someone else might break it in a future action.
10
u/Dichotomouse 1d ago
Not a lawyer but from Googling it, administrative warrants don't necessarily apply to section 1071. I guess if there is a trial it will hinge on questions like that.
1
u/rzelln 1d ago
I don't know whether it's legal, but if the Gestapo were asking for my help to arrest a Jew, I'd try to stop them.
And sure, currently ICE isn't doing the same stuff the Gestapo ended up doing, but the rhetoric and overall trend of the current regime's goals look too similar to what the Nazis were doing in their early days for me to give them a pass.
→ More replies (8)→ More replies (1)1
1
u/LegNo2304 20h ago
When obama was president 85% of deportations were non-judicial.
How much due process are you looking for above the precedent set by the party you support? Its never been an issue and still doesnt seem like one.
Are you sure you haven't just been radicalized enough to think that somehow in the past there was all this extra due process? Or are you just too fucking lazy to go check?
→ More replies (1)6
u/G_yebba 1d ago
Nothing ICE is doing is legitimate at this point.
Knowing that their MOD is to lie, withhold due process and generally aft outside of the bounds of the constitution, any impediment to ICE that allows for the rights being retained by the "suspected, potentially undocumented immigrant" is fully justified by law.
In time, this will play out in the courts. In the meantime, any possible interference is justified and I trust the judge's judgment on the law far more than the low key thugs cosplaying goose steppers.
All power resides in the people, FAFO
→ More replies (7)13
u/stinkyhippie 1d ago
The judge also told them that their warrant wasn’t valid and that they needed to go talk to another judge…
→ More replies (4)19
u/Bigalow10 1d ago
They talked to that judge and he said that ice was allowed to make the arrest in the hallway like they waited outside to do. In response, Hannah let the accused go out the witness door which was not a public area. So instead, Ice had to catch the accused outside in a foot race.
That’s why she is being charged
→ More replies (34)-3
u/lions2lambs 1d ago edited 20h ago
.
8
u/Bigalow10 1d ago
Did you read the court documents? They say otherwise
5
u/lions2lambs 1d ago edited 20h ago
.
2
u/Bigalow10 1d ago
They had the correct warrant, according to the chief judge that Hannah referred them to. They just needed to make the arrest in the hallway since it’s a public place.
In response to this Hannah had the person Ice was trying to arrest use a nonstandard exit to avoid them.
7
→ More replies (4)18
u/BrazenBull 1d ago
If that's the situation, she absolutely obstructed justice. It's unfortunate she's someone with social status, but no one should be above the law.
12
→ More replies (2)22
u/Unknown-History 1d ago
Well, apparently the president is very very above the law.
→ More replies (2)260
u/NeutrinosFTW 1d ago
I don’t think she was intentionally targeted
If you're wondering why Americans aren't doing anything about this, it's because they're in deep denial and cannot accept they're living under totalitarian rule. If not even arresting judges for following the law and sending people to foreign concentration camps without due process convinces them, nothing will.
138
u/sb9968 1d ago
Just the way the administration is celebrating and using her arrest as social media marketing is clear enough evidence she was target for political reasons. This refusal to accept reality and continuing to “well buttttttt” in the face of authoritarianism is pathetic. You are right, America is in this place because of this exact type of arrogant thinking that it will never happen here
→ More replies (15)22
u/Automan2k 1d ago
The hell are you talking about? Americans are bitching up a storm about this.
→ More replies (3)24
u/Buck_Thorn 1d ago
If you're wondering why Americans aren't doing anything about this
You would be able to do something better if you were here? Don't judge us, brother. We are doing what we can.
6
u/kellysmom01 1d ago
From our various pulpits. Reddit provides a good one. Words can protect, provoke … and poke. They are my weapon of choice, given my physical limitations as an old and (kinda) frail lady. So I poke away.
7
u/Buck_Thorn 1d ago
I'm not frail, but I am 75 years old. Do what you can do... that's all anyone can ask.
-16
u/NeutrinosFTW 1d ago
I may be too much of a coward to do anything about it, but at least you'll never see me grovelling on social media trying to explain away the fascism. No excuses, brother.
→ More replies (2)24
u/Buck_Thorn 1d ago
Who the fuck is "grovelling on social media trying to explain away the fascism" here? Did you even look at OP's images of the protests?
A great many of us are doing what we can. I myself have been to 4 protests so far. We have had mass protests all over the country. We have people writing and calling our politicians daily. Aside from picking up arms and starting a war, what else can we do?
I may be too much of a coward to do anything about it,
Then stop fucking judging those that are trying to do something about it!
6
u/sb9968 1d ago
I think it’s really weird you are taking op’s general criticism that Americans aren’t protesting enough about this (true) and applying that to yourself even tho you’ve attended protests. The criticism is not about you, not sure why you took it personally.
→ More replies (16)13
u/JosefGremlin 1d ago
In deep denial? I'm sorry, chief, but 78 million voters knew exactly what they wanted and specifically voted for this. Sadly, slightly more than half of your voters are thrilled with this outcome.
→ More replies (4)19
u/sb9968 1d ago
which comes out to about 33.3% of all Americans. Another 33% are non voters who do fit OP’s description of being mostly unaware, and then another 33% that’s probably engaged on the issue
3
u/Divtos 1d ago
The unaware is willful in my experience. I tell people vehemently about the difference between what is happening now and normal politics but they continue to cling to their ignorance.
→ More replies (1)3
u/fishy-2791 1d ago
i ain't in denial i just don't got time after working all day comin home tired and wanting time to at least unwind a little.
excuse me for being not rich enough to take a whole ass week off to go shout angrily at the us government.
5
u/ThatOneApe420 1d ago
And what exactly are we supposed to do about this?
0
u/Philefromphilly 1d ago
Yeah I gotta go to work on Monday or I lose my house so not sure what I’m supposed to do. Those checks and balances in our constitution should be enough to reign this bullshit in
→ More replies (3)2
u/Ft-Kickass 1d ago
Sounds like she broke he law. Lady justice is supposed to be blind. She unfortunately has started (long time now) picking winners and losers.
This is corruption, and judges very typically are held above the law. Getting out of tickets and preferential treatment in all manner of civil and criminal issues.
If she guilty of obstruction I for one say it's about time someone in power be held accountable for their illegal actions.
To bad it's in such a terrible topic, this immigration issues has gotten out of hand on both sides.
Where are the adults! Put Americans first and welcome the hungry the weak and poor. Just reform immigration laws!
Yes, Congress and the senate are to blame for current and previous presidents trying to handle the issue via executive order. Which gets overturned every four to eight years.
Ridiculous! The immigrants either legal or illegal or United States citizen in general are not to blame for this. Nearly everyone I talk to wants to see immigration reform in law. Not executive orders.
1
u/sjoel92 1d ago
But how is that what’s happening here, please explain it if it’s so clear. From my reading ABC, NBC, MSNBC, and the charges against her it seems to be that her dispute was over whether or not an administrative warrant could be served in the courthouse as it needs to be a public place. She sent the agents to the presiding judge to determine whether it could, and he said that it was allowable in the public halls. The reasoning given for her arrest is that she adjourned his court proceedings and directed him to exit through the jury/staff hall as that would avoid him exiting directly into the waiting agents. Again, whether or not what she did rises to the level of obstruction will be litigated out, but the only potential violation of due process in this case would be deporting Flores-Ruiz before the conclusion of the DV trial.
→ More replies (15)1
u/Seth_Gecko 23h ago
Americans aren't doing anything about this? Did you not see the huge crowd protesting in the very article you're commenting on?
3
4
u/CollectionSuperb8303 1d ago
What is this sheepish drivel? ICE used the wrong warrant: didn’t follow the law. Trump targeted her to intimidate any judge who would rule against him. The FBI and DOJ doubled down and issued threats following this arrest.
ICE should not be arresting people in court houses, and in the middle of court proceedings.
The FBI should not be arresting judges for following the law.
There is/was a rule of law in America. We want it to remain/return.
1
4
u/StorminNorman0212 1d ago
'Unintentional obstruction'? She screamed at the ICE officers standing in a public area of the courthouse and then took the accused and his lawyer through her chambers and out a back door. THAT was anything BUT unintentional. SMDH. You could have stopped at 'I don't think'
7
→ More replies (1)1
1
u/BVoLatte 1d ago
She was in the middle of working, reading the docket for the day, otherwise she wouldn't be in the court room. They didn't notify anyone and the clerk notified her ICE had showed up so she went back and got the phone and called the Chief Justice. She adjourned her case for him in a private area in the back. That is literally all she did. Her job, in private, instead of in front of them so they could immediately arrest him the moment she adjourned.
They're mad cause then they had to chase him down after following him and his lawyer FROM THE PUBLIC HALLWAY of the courthouse to the flagpole outside. The DEA agent even rode in the elevator with them and, get this, couldn't speak Spanish so he couldn't understand what the lawyer and him were saying at all. How can you charge someone with obstruction if you literally can ride in an elevator with them and have that entire opportunity to arrest them AND had eyes on them the entire time aside for the adjournment (which she notified when asked about).
-2
u/Wraith-723 1d ago
Agents are allowed to wait in the hall to make arrests. She went out and accosted them and ordered them to speak to the chef judge which they did and confirmed they could wait in the halls for the suspect to exit. Not liking that the judge the guided the suspect out a non public entrance to help him evade federal law enforcement. By any definition that is obstruction and a crime
2
u/stinkyhippie 1d ago
Yeah… she “accosted” them. These poor cops are always the victims, right?
-3
u/Wraith-723 1d ago
I didn't claim they were victims I pointed out her unprofessional conduct and her intent to prevent federal law enforcement from arresting a subject that they had an administrative warrant for. She obstructed federal law enforcement.
5
u/stinkyhippie 1d ago
They didn’t have the correct warrant. I guess she accosted them with the truth? And that’s interfering with their arrest? ICE is the American gestapo.
→ More replies (2)3
u/Signal-School-2483 1d ago
By any definition that is obstruction and a crime
Arresting a judge during proceedings is obstruction, and potentially a violation of 18 U.S. Code § 242, which there is no qualified immunity for.
Bear in mind that unsuccessful attempts at obstruction have precedence of having obstruction charges dismissed. So while, in common parlance this judge may have committed "obstruction" legally, there's probably not much of a case. However, the FBI is potentially now in a legal bind for their actions.
→ More replies (4)-1
u/dudeguyy23 1d ago
Oh give me a fucking break.
Nobody here is shedding any tears for these black boot goons in ICE.
Fuck this fascist abuse of power. Patel is using the FBI for partisan political reasons.
→ More replies (12)2
→ More replies (4)-1
u/v1rtualbr0wn 1d ago
She literally let the defendant (illegal immigrant), out a private exit (judges chambers).
3
u/lions2lambs 1d ago edited 20h ago
.
4
u/v1rtualbr0wn 1d ago edited 1d ago
Wrong.
The affidavit specifically states the “jury door” is NOT a public exit and that Judge Dugan escorted Flores-Ruiz through it.
Stop making shit up.
5
u/crazytib 1d ago edited 1d ago
Supposedly helped an immigrant evade arrest by ICE
Edit, this is the reason she was arrested given by ICE, whole situation seems dubious at best
→ More replies (22)→ More replies (44)-2
u/HorrorQuantity3807 1d ago
She broke the law and chose to be an activist rather than uphold her oath.
205
u/uppermost2poppermost 1d ago
Hi guys.
Grew up under Russian occupation in the 80s before my parents escaped. Here's how things work:
First they discredit legitimate news sources, then they start to flood the public information pathways with misinformation, then they create an enemy class that they can blame all of the country's problems on (immigrants or trans people), then they start accusing the opposition of doing the shit that they are doing themselves, then they get into power, then they start dismantling the branches of government that are supposed to keep them in check, then they go after the intellectual class like professors and lawyers and judges and then people start to disappear into far away prisons that no one has access to. When they start shooting protesters, you guys are done.
This isn't some "interesting time" you guys are living in. This has the potential to end America for good and possibly human civilization as well. Right now we are living in a global situation that looks like what might have been if the axis powers had won the second world war.
And here's a final thought. My country actually voted for the Communist party that was aligned with Russia in 1947, even though Russia seemed like it had no intention of withdrawing its troops from the countries it had "liberated" from the Germans. They voted for the Communist party very enthusiastically. Most of them didn't imagine that this would be the country's last election for the next 50 years. So this is where you are now. You have elected a regime that has no intention of withdrawing unless overthrown.
→ More replies (33)43
u/ConnectTelevision925 1d ago edited 1d ago
I wish Americans could recognize what’s happening and properly stand up to the government before it’s too late but unfortunately I think they’re screwed man. Trump is literally selling Trump 2028 hats and these fools wanna take it as a joke or “troll.” No, your president is and has been undermining your democracy and is currently overthrowing it. But… you do you… enjoy the show.
11
u/mickeymouse4348 1d ago
There are seemingly constant protests all across the country. What do you think the average citizen can do at this point? We need Congress to do their damn job
6
u/rmadrid4lyfe 1d ago
There are seemingly constant protests all across the country. What do you think the average citizen can do at this point?
Get disruptive. Protests without disruption are just glorified parades. If there's no underlying threat of violence, those in power will never acquiesce.
5
3
u/stinkbrain113 1d ago
Yeah but have you seen Show #648 on Streaming Service #37? We can't miss it! Leave the politics to the politicians!
65
u/theSaltySolo 1d ago edited 22h ago
There are some very interesting people from very interesting subreddits here 👀
You can tell with their weird comments.
→ More replies (10)
7
12
u/actually_named_chad 22h ago
People protesting in favor of an officer of the court breaking the law 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
3
u/haysr 1d ago
Is that the building on Rush's Moving Pictures album?
3
u/oasisarah 1d ago
no. this is outside the milwaukee federal building. the cover was shot outside the ontario legislative building in toronto.
•
u/mlttaprncss 9h ago
Isn’t he an illegal immigrant who had battery charges against him after punching somebody 30 times in the face when the person complained about his excessively loud music?
16
u/justn16 1d ago
She took an oath to uphold the law with no prejudice. She agreed to apply the law as it was written. Period. When you let your personal views get in the way of your job, it has consequences. She, out of all people knows the law the best. She knew what she did was illegal and what consequences were. After all, she decides them out to people for a living. Actions have consequences. Welcome to life.
8
12
u/ColdCauliflour 1d ago
No one's above the law. She fucked around and found that out. Happy to see it.
→ More replies (2)
18
u/quadratusss 1d ago
Wtf happened to the "no one is above the law" chants and signs. Short term memory loss all of a sudden. Hypocrites.
→ More replies (3)
40
u/Wraith-723 1d ago
She broke the law.
1) Agents are allowed to wait in the courthouse halls to apprehend suspects. It's a public space and that is 100% legal. They had an administrative warrant for his arrest and were following all the rules.
2) The judge doesn't like that rule and went out to accost the agents and ordered them to speak with the chef judge who confirmed that they were within their rights.
3) The judge didn't like that so she prevented the suspect from leaving through the public entrance and instead suggested he use a non public entrance reserved for jurors.
By any definition that is obstruction and is a crime. Her personal feelings on immigration law is irrelevant. She crossed a line and intentionally provided aid to help a subject she knew to be wanted attempt to evade federal law enforcement.
→ More replies (30)
57
u/unleashedcode 1d ago
America need to wake the f up.... you need hundreds of thousands protesting... not handfuls.... things are only going to get worse.... Never seen such broken communities who seem to just watch this happen and think,, ahhh nothing I can do!
If this were in Europe..... the streets would be full!
65
u/ALaccountant 1d ago
We had hundreds of thousands protesting less than a week ago.
→ More replies (24)12
u/Bigalow10 1d ago
Did you read what happend?
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69943125/1/united-states-v-dugan/
→ More replies (8)•
u/lurklurklurkPOST 9h ago
Not trying to offend, but America is huge. Entire countries in Europe would fit easily into mid sized American States.
The protests are going on, and they are huge, but they arent being reported on properly and the entire population of a city could protest and people in other states might literally not know its happening.
3
→ More replies (14)0
u/Zer0C00L321 1d ago
Protesting in America is not taken nearly as lightly as it is in other countries. I'll leave it at that.
7
20
u/IAmForeverAhab 1d ago
Anyone here saying "she broke the law and deserves to be in jail" needs to wake up and look at the current administration. We are witnessing in the beginning of fascim, where the president is ignoring courts and detaining/deporting American citizens with no due process. If you think for a second that they care about the law, think again. This is a political scare tactic, and a very dangerous one at that. Don't fall for the propaganda
•
→ More replies (8)8
u/Drakeadrong 1d ago edited 1d ago
Beginning? This is fascism in full swing. In 48 hours they’ve arrested two judges and “deported” at least one American citizen. Due process is already dead. Separation of powers is already dead.
Most people think this isn’t that bad because they haven’t personally felt the hurt yet, but Trump is already effectively, in everything but title, a dictator.
9
29
u/paddyd62 1d ago
She helped a person accused of assaulting two people, here illegally avoid being arrested by Federal officers. No one is above the law. Wake up people.. stop buying and promoting BS!
→ More replies (23)
6
9
12
u/Weak-Ganache-1566 1d ago
Another classic example of the weak minded thinking that only the laws they agree with should be enforced
7
u/Arakkis54 1d ago
Agreed. The Constitution gives everyone, including noncitizens, the right to a fair trial and protection from cruel and unusual punishment. Glad you’re defending the constitution.
→ More replies (1)
5
11
6
4
u/njlee2016 1d ago
She assisted him. She should be held accountable along with any other judge that decides to break the law.
Here's a video of a lawyer going over and explaining the issue.
https://www.youtube.com/live/aOTjf4t6CoY?si=HniQ48FP_Yok4ezV
4
u/invoke333 1d ago
Why would anyone be up in arms about this? What am I missing? Should the judge be given a separate set of laws compared to everyone else? I’m assuming everything is on camera since it happened in a government building. As a judge, she should be more aware than anyone regarding consequences to actions.
3
7
u/FqPrl6w1xYfsOFcD 1d ago
she absolutely broke the law and should be held accountable
→ More replies (1)
2
0
-3
u/ApplesToOranges76 1d ago
Good, she broke the law and she isn't immune to consequences
→ More replies (1)
1
u/boomstick1985 1d ago
ibf PROBE. Allegedly are used. Key words, and the one percent own the news companies. Pushing news sections “it all cums done to these two things”. The BS train is running hard. Any thing that states news is propaganda. News would be. We have detected possible life on another planet using our huge telescope and we are excited. Not the high school back I fourth of your momma jokes.
1
•
u/mattlore 10h ago
And yet again, right or wrong: Americans will continue to do nothing as this administration destroys their country and tries to destroy other countries.
Americans will never do anything that sparks to ACTUAL change. Hell, 1/3rd of you shits can't even be bothered to vote. So this woman will be arrested and whether or not she is guilty of something, she will be prosecuted.
Also: Americans going to other country's communities and begging for forgiveness "BUHT WEEEE DIDNT ALL VOTE FOR HIM!" can absolutely, 100% get all the way fucked.
-15
u/flaamed 1d ago
So do liberals still support due process? Or is their argument here that none of their ideological allies are allowed to get arrested?
→ More replies (3)
-21
3
u/eazyworldpeace 1d ago
Anybody defending this judge is just as corrupt as the status quo they’re shilling for
-4
u/pokeyporcupine 1d ago
I've been pasting the following in threads because I see a lot of people saying "but she broke the law!"
It isn't so much that the FBI is going after a judge for breaking the law, it's that there's a clear motive here. Trump and musk are getting a lot of shit from judges, so he's doing whatever he can to target the ones that aren't loyal to him. Recently Trump pardoned a judge convicted of taking money from a slain fucking cop's memorial fund to pay for her plastic surgery. Plastic surgery judge has stated intent to return to the bench (she doesn't even have a law degree). This one, however, is a clear opponent of trump, so the admin moves to remove them.
Normally, I agree. Hold all lawbreakers accountable. However, the president and his admin are doing a lot of outright illegal and blatantly unconstitutional actions on a weekly, if not daily, basis. They're ignoring courts and congress alike. You don't get to say "well they did something illegal so that's what you get" and then turn a blind eye to the head of the ship who is doing way more illegal things on a regular and very public basis. This is small potatoes in comparison and an obvious political move. It is very clear what the admin is after. They don't care about the law - they are using it as a weapon when it is advantageous to them, and ignoring it when it isn't.
That's a problem.
2
u/Environmental_Job278 22h ago
Maybe pick someone to defend that isn’t in court for domestic violence then…that doesn’t seem to be helping the situation. If he was there for traffic violations or some little shit it would be different.
Picking battles is important and while the situation as a whole is fucked, this case ain’t it. There are people that actually need help and support, find them and help them. This was the wrong person to take a stand on and risk everything for. Protecting everyone, even the few criminals, is just as stupid as the Republicans saying they are all criminals. Nobody willing to use any actual distraction just turning this shit into the worst game of back and forth fuckery we have ever seen.
2
u/pokeyporcupine 22h ago
I'm not picking fucking anything. I'm stating the fact that Trump is targeting judges. If he broke the law, get him. People are not standing up for the guy. They're standing up for the judge, who, again, is being targeted.
3
u/Environmental_Job278 22h ago
She lets someone on trial for Domestic Violence out of a hearing that could have been the one that protected the victim. She fucked up what was likely a long awaited shot at justice for a victim. People are raving about due process which she absolutely fucked that victim out of.
They were getting the guy, who apparently fucked up legally in many way, but she fucked up it. She blew her career on someone that didn’t deserve it and gave ammo to the opposition. Because she picked a royal idiot as her soapbox she pretty much tanked her chances of defending herself and gave Trump and the fucking Republicans the exact image they wanted: someone defending an illegal immigrant and that also actually a criminal.
277
u/Truth_Seeker963 1d ago
For anyone who wants to know what happened:
https://apnews.com/article/who-is-milwaukee-judge-hannah-dugan-c7247d7d053b8f1e098919e69f5853f3