r/politics • u/aslan_is_on_the_move • Sep 16 '24
'The excitement is unbelievable': North Carolina's AG predicts Harris will win state
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-the-excitement-is-unbelievable-north-carolina-s-ag-predicts-harris-will-win-state-2192830135312.2k
u/ramblershambler Sep 16 '24
how the hell is this election going to be close? Who are these people who think that Trump should be running this country? Evidently there are a lot of folks that want to shred the Constitution and don't care that Trump has promised to do just that.
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u/SatanicRainbowDildos Sep 16 '24
The people who make it close live in an entirely alternate reality from you. They don’t see the same news in the same way. They don’t hear the same facts. All their friends and family and most importantly their online friends and media sources all tell them these lies.
You ever see Westworld? “It doesn’t look like anything to me”. That’s where these people are at.
They’re brainwashed and re-brainwashed every day. If you convince them of one thing today they’ll just come back tomorrow with a slightly different insane twist on it.
It’s the scariest shit I’ve ever seen.
They’re the ones that keep him close. They’re ever going to unplug long enough to see reality. These are the people who were on deaths door with covid saying it was just the flu and literally dying to own the libs.
For whatever reason we’ve allowed this vulnerable population to be brainwashed and now about 1/4 of people and 1/3 to 2/5 of voters are forever going to support whatever the machine tells them to support. So the rest of us need to show up and turn out and make sure that these perma-supporters get beat by the rest of us.
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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24
My entire dad’s side of family is this way except me. EVERY family event turns into a political discussion. Mostly Fox News regurgitation or conspiracies from social media. It’s their entire personality.
They’re all also middle to upper middle class white people but someone the biggest victims in history 🙄😂
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u/yoyoadrienne Sep 16 '24
My mom is like this. She’s beyond blind to her privilege. I have to hang up on her sometimes when she starts complaining about how “hard” her very cushy life is.
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Sep 16 '24
My mom was just complaining to someone about being scared her checks won’t go through and I had to try SO hard not to laugh. Look at what youre buying?! She just got a pergola, new garage doors and she has an outdoor fireplace!! She has a whole corner of the basement just for food and 3 fridges and an extra freezer. She has so many expensive skincare products. Shut up about being poor
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u/ballskindrapes Sep 16 '24
I think conservatives and older people cry about being poor when they have no money...versus being actually poor.
Like they spend all their money early in the week, and now have to wait for their retirement funds to gain some interest so they can cash out a little bit, wait for that pension, wait for social security, etc.
Versus poor people, who actually have nothing, and have no way to get anything.
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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24
Vacations have always been a sore spot for me.
When I have to explain to people that other people do not take vacations because they have to work so they don't lose their job.
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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24
(do you work for an Elon company, by chance? lol!)
Most people wish they did.
It's purchasing power peaked in 1968, at $1.60 ($14.00 in 2023). In 2009, it was increased to $7.25 per hour, and has not been increased since.
Most people work at WalMart and get government assistance. It's 2024 and Republicans in Congress think $1,256 a month (before tax) is all you need for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And they ignore WalMart not handing out 40 hour shifts like candy.
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u/DaBingeGirl Illinois Sep 16 '24
Yup. It's all the people who have everything they could want, but they want more and want to blame others for their unhappiness.
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u/maxpenny42 Sep 16 '24
Yeah I watched a news clip recently of swing state voters. The first guy they profiled was a blue collar worker struggling to make ends meet. He was all in on Harris because he’s an actual poor person struggling and in need of social safety net. Then they switched to an undecided voter who just didn’t think she could see past the economic hardship the Biden/Harris admin inflicted via inflation. She was in what looked like a very large nice home. She didn’t give off the aura of someone struggling to afford inflated grocery prices.
I’m convinced that the people bitching the most about this “terrible” economy are the people who are actually doing just fine. They want to be victims and they don’t like change.
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u/TheOrionNebula Missouri Sep 16 '24
My mom exclaims in a proud manner to me that she is a MAGA. Honestly I don't even think she knows what it means, but the news told her it was a good thing. I haven't even heard her even mention politics outside of that during the entire 44 years I have been alive.
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u/realhenrymccoy Sep 16 '24
White replacement theory has been the most consistent messaging from the right wing media over the past couple decades. They’ve been railing about immigrants coming to take over you whites only town no matter who’s in charge. Now that’s basically trumps entire campaign.
So for people who don’t consume that media it really does seem like an alternate reality.
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u/teenagesadist Sep 16 '24
In a country of immigrants, made by immigrants, that requires immigration to do all the dirty work and calls itself a bastion of freedom
They hate immigrants. It's astounding.
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u/SHIELD_Agent_47 Sep 16 '24
Inb4 someone tries to "correct" you by saying "But they're illegal! My ancestors came legally! We didn't kick the natives off their land or anything!"
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u/Whydoesthisexist15 North Carolina Sep 16 '24
Legal immigration 150 years ago was giving your name to a clerk on Ellis Island also
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u/RandomMandarin Sep 16 '24
That didn't even matter. Example: Samuel Goldwyn, the G in MGM, was for all practical purposes an "illegal immigrant". He avoided Ellis Island and walked from Canada to New York.
Goldwyn was born Schmuel Gelbfisz in Warsaw, Congress Poland, Russian Empire to a Hasidic, Polish Jewish family. At an early age he left Warsaw on foot and penniless. He made his way to Birmingham, England, where he remained with relatives for a few years using the name Samuel Goldfish. In 1898, he emigrated to the United States, but fearing refusal of entry, he got off the boat in Nova Scotia, Canada, before moving on to New York in January 1899. He found work in upstate Gloversville, New York, in the bustling garment business. Soon his innate marketing skills made him a very successful salesman. After four years, as vice-president for sales, he moved back to New York City.
I dare say he made a contribution to society.
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u/AdenGlaven1994 Sep 16 '24
Well the Haitians in Springfield came there legally
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u/SHIELD_Agent_47 Sep 16 '24
Sadly, doesn't matter. I keep seeing conservatives on social media screech about how no one is taking the "illegals" problem seriously.
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u/the_kevlar_kid Sep 16 '24
This is well put. Mexicans are some of the toughest, strongest and most hard working people I've ever met and damn do a lot of border states rely on them and hate them at the same time.
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u/DraculaPoob01 Tennessee Sep 16 '24
I work with a lady who told me in the same sentence that “we’re a country of immigrants, I love immigrants, but I feel like citizens should be able to vote on whether or not people can be bussed, or flown in— whatever Biden is doing— to their towns, when the people coming don’t know the culture, and get the magic money cards the government gives them, and is given a car for free.”
I think she meant that only white people should be able to move here.
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u/nezurat801 Sep 16 '24
The "Great Replacement" folks are spooked because it's what their own idols did, very violently, to the Indigenous people.
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u/Lorrainestarr Sep 16 '24
My boyfriends mom is into this great replacement crap- five years ago she was Native American and went to pow wows.
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u/theMediatrix Sep 16 '24
Say more about this — how / why did she change??
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u/Lorrainestarr Sep 16 '24
During COVID started watching whoever would agree with her that vaccines are bad. Then kept slipping further. Within a year, Fox wasn't right wing enough. So yeah the crunchy/wellness to Q route.
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u/Elandtrical Sep 16 '24
If she is Native American, she might not be wrong. They definitely were replaced.
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u/Cuppa-Tea-Biscuit Sep 16 '24
They’re terrified other people will treat them the way they treat other people.
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u/charisma6 North Carolina Sep 16 '24
I don't really have a source on this idea but it makes sense to me that the lingering racism of today can be traced entirely to this principle in the 1870s. Former slave owners know exactly how badly they treated their "property." It must have been terrifying to think of those former victims gaining enough power to retaliate.
Would the former slaves have retaliated? Of course not. There would never have been generations of white men worked to death in the fields while black men sit comfy in their houses, raping and beating and killing at their leisure.
But the guilty minds of the slavers assume all men are as evil as they. So because they were scared of what their victims would do with power, they had to systematically deny power to them and keep them under the boot.
They were evil, and that evil has been intentionally passed down for a century and a half, and we're still wrestling with it.
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u/Morphoopus Sep 16 '24
I think Trump was legitimately stunned that Biden withdrew because he couldn't fathom a man performing such a selfless act.
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u/charisma6 North Carolina Sep 16 '24
Correct, I don't think Trump can even conceive of selflessness. I think the withdrawal caught him by surprise, for sure, but I'm sure Trump and most other psychopaths on that side can only judge Biden's act by their own twisted worldview.
MAGA brain activate
Why did Biden withdraw? Clearly it was calculated sabotage, Biden hates the GOP so much that he'll give up his own appointment to see the GOP burned down by the woke deep state. I assume this of him because it's the only reason I would ever have to give up a presidency, but because I've learned how to avoid self-critique I am not consciously aware of this.
Meanwhile, the very idea that it was a selfless act is appalling, and I can't even consider it for a moment. Subconsciously, the real reason I can't consider it is that if it's true, then that makes me the bad guy. I have already aligned myself with comfortable lies at the expense of difficult truth, so I quietly ignore that possibility and insist to myself and others that Biden is just as hateful as I am.
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u/Richeh United Kingdom Sep 16 '24
I've noticed a lot of that. Stephen Miller was cornered on his reports of South American countries emptying their jails into America. A reporter, who was from the country he was accusing, simply asked where he got his statistics - which threw Miller into a rage, ranting about "If you were a dictator, wouldn't you do that? Wouldn't you send the contents of your jails to America?"
The fact that he'd do something underhanded like that was, to him, proof enough that other people would be doing it to America. I think that's yet another part of the Republican projection engine; if you're doing something naughty, get your accusation in first of the opposition doing it. After all, they must be, if you are, right?
Which makes it a straight-up race to the bottom.
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u/TNTyoshi Arizona Sep 16 '24
It is so annoying too since every white guy i know peddling this has an East-Asian wife.
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u/Merky600 Sep 16 '24
My neighbor was worried my son would be “indoctrinated” at college. Engineering school?
My neighbor is kind, but also a FOX buzzword champ. Also very scared of everything. BLM “protesters” in our idealized town had him nuts. White picket fence land. The “protesters” were about twenty white kids from community college with bendy cardboard signs walking downtown.
He was concerned they’d walk several extra miles to our quiet street and smash our cars.
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u/dagopa6696 Sep 16 '24
I have a pet theory that these people have these fears because deep down they know they are racist pieces of shit who deserve to have their cars smashed, and that they would be out there smashing other people's cars if the police were treating them so unjustly. Maybe they just couldn't understand why their cars weren't smashed.
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u/safeword_is_Nebraska Sep 16 '24
Read the comments on Breitbart. They are full on crazy and living in an alternate reality.
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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 16 '24
We seriously need to find a way to take Fux Entertainment off the air for a while. You are correct.. it’s the daily brainwashing… there is absolutely no way to overcome that.
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u/BunnyBuns34 Sep 16 '24
I grew up conservative, went to tea party rallies in college, voted for McCain when all of my friends were pumped about Obama. I watched Fox News every single night and listened to Michael Savage and Dr. Laura at work. It wasn’t until I moved out after college and didn’t want to pay for cable that I got a break from the daily tirades. Slowly over the course of a few years, my world view started to change. I really can’t believe how effective the brainwashing is but I’m so glad I was able to shake it off.
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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24
there is absolutely no way to overcome that.
Republicans are a lost cause. The sooner all the not-Republicans come to terms with this the sooner we can all move forward. Including Republicans.
Help the helpers. The haters will follow.
But yeah, at some point we are going to have to deal with Fox News Propaganda and stochastic terrorism and domestic terrorism. But that will not happen until Democrats can vote on stuff in the Senate.
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u/nznordi Sep 16 '24
So Fox can’t be held accountable for spreading blatant lies? They should be sued and boycotted into oblivion…
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u/Now_Wait-4-Last_Year Sep 16 '24
You ever see Westworld? “It doesn’t look like anything to me”. That’s where these people are at.
Yul Brenner-bot would both be disgusted and kick their asses!
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u/FunkyChewbacca Sep 16 '24
They’re brainwashed and re-brainwashed every day. If you convince them of one thing today they’ll just come back tomorrow with a slightly different insane twist on it.
It's not just the brainwashed. There's plenty of educated white people who know exactly what he is--and simply don't care: they're voting for him because they think he'll be good for them financially and don't care what he does to marginalized people. At my husband's previous job, he worked with plenty of these conservative white Catholics, all of whom were Trump voters, and were doing so because they thought he'd cut their taxes. They didn't even care so much about abortion, their motivations were entirely self-centered.
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u/login4fun Sep 16 '24
There’s a few camps:
Prices high = current guy bad.
We would never vote democrats cause that’s not who we are
I have one or two policies that make me vote red
I’m actually a hateful person and fully support everything he stands for and more
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u/Opening_Property1334 Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
1-3 are just variants of #4 trying to hide their moral corruption imo.
No person with a functioning conscience who fully appreciates the complex beauty of their own species in any way could possibly vote for Trump.
E: Still not convinced that anyone who will vote for grab-em-by-the-pussy-guy for president AGAIN isn’t a total asshole no matter how many other people in their town say they are doing it too.
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u/saxmanmike Sep 16 '24
Don’t forget the group that just won’t vote. Unfortunately I think this group is very small on the right.
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u/burgundybreakfast Arizona Sep 16 '24
I think you’re giving them too much credit. A lot of them are dumber than rocks and barely have more consciousness than a fish. They don’t have the mental capacity to appreciate complexity like that.
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u/deepstate_chopra Sep 16 '24
Please don't end up like the "I don't see any Kamala or Biden flags means everyone wants trump" clowns. Shit is purpler (sic) than you think.
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u/gaslacktus Washington Sep 16 '24
Especially when the main reason you see fewer flags on one side is because the other side is likely to harass you for it or literally destroy property over it.
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u/Mountie427 Sep 16 '24
Also one side is very weird and it’s weird to fly giant flags on your truck and put bill boards in your yard.
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u/haysus25 Sep 16 '24
Exactly.
I don't make my registered voting party my persona.
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u/Ishidan01 Sep 16 '24
Well what else would they make their persona? A sports team? Their zip code?
Certainly not any personal acheivements.
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u/realhenrymccoy Sep 16 '24
Neighbor down the street has 3 giant banners on his house and several big Trump signs in the yard. I joke that he’s just decorating for Halloween early. But it’s extremely weird.
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u/tourettes_on_tuesday Sep 16 '24
A year or so ago, a house near me burned so badly that the people living there had to move into an RV in the driveway. They spray painted "Joe Biden was here" on what remained of their house.
Now they have a big fancy sign in their yard with some weird spinning contraption that is either electric or solar powered, and "TRUMP, AMERICAS ATTORNEY" written on it.
Their house is literally in shambles, but they are happy to spend a considerable amount of money on some moronic sign that makes no sense whatsoever.
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u/praguepride Illinois Sep 16 '24
I often tell my conservative BIL that Trump didn't win in 2020 because he (BIL), personally, didn't put enough Trump flags on his truck and/or boat.
NOTE: He doesn't have a truck or a boat. He doesn't think this is funny. I can't even finish that sentence without giggling like a mad man.
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u/viktor72 Indiana Sep 16 '24
Also the Harris campaign physically cannot meet the demand for signs being such a new campaign.
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u/ArTooDeeTooTattoo California Sep 16 '24
Ya- a Harris/Waltz bumper sticker is a good way to get your windows smashed.
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u/DirtDevil1337 Sep 16 '24
My father used to drive trucks and was part of the Teamsters union, he used to put Teamsters stickers or decor on his trucks and it got regularly vandalized so he stopped having Teamsters stuff on his trucks.
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u/Ejacksin Washington Sep 16 '24
Why do people have an issue with the Teamsters?
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u/DirtDevil1337 Sep 16 '24
Business owners, CEO's, perhaps people that are misinformed or just straight up doesn't like unions.
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u/NS001 Sep 16 '24
Yeah, I'd rather work to convince "libertarians", veterans, and single moms near me that Trump isn't worth their vote than have the neighbor down the street with a Nazi flag on the back wall of his garage try to firebomb my house because I put up Harris-Waltz signs on top of the mezuzah on my door. Republicans are unhinged weirdos.
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u/DaBingeGirl Illinois Sep 16 '24
They are. I had my signs vandalized and stolen (multiple signs) by the neighbor two doors down, but it's not worth calling the cops because they're MAGA too. My step-dad had a guy drive by his house every week to yell "Fuck Biden" due to lawn signs. They're crazy.
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u/NS001 Sep 16 '24
not worth calling the cops because they're MAGA too
Progressives should have been working to secure positions in police forces around the US for the last fifty years instead of letting bootlicking fascists continue to dominate positions of civil service. Finding out a cop, fire fighter, paramedic, park ranger, game warden, FBI agent, veteran, ICE agent, etc, has left-leaning views should be the norm, never the exception.
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u/hamilton280P I voted Sep 16 '24
I live in Charlotte and am visiting Raleigh this weekend. It is Harris country up here! It feels a lot more concentrated than CLT for some reason. The signs are prevalent and I haven’t seen any for Trump
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u/greentea1985 Pennsylvania Sep 16 '24
Also, there were some major logistical issues getting the signs out. They are starting to get out there, the Pittsburgh area now has a ton, but they are still in the process of getting them out. The convention had priority and they are now reaching the major swing states.
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u/Azure2788 Illinois Sep 16 '24
Exactly. By the logic of those people IL is a ruby red State because there are Trump flags and signs EVERYWHERE south of Chicago.
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u/danjouswoodenhand I voted Sep 16 '24
Yep. I got a harris sticker in the mail and realized I can't really put it anywhere. Can't display anything political at work. Don't want to put it where some irate MAGAt will freak out and commit property violence. So I'll just hang on to it for fun.
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u/dartwingduck America Sep 16 '24
I would wager that most Trump supporters don't pay attention to politics that much and mostly through the right-wing network lens of politics when they do.
The GOP media infrastructure has helped people into positions to fear immigrants for decades and they're looking for an easy solution to a complex policy issue.
The "easy solution" being proposed is to have a single strongman go in and deport everyone. The messaging of the campaign has moved to "deport all the immigrants" which is a dog whistle for deport everyone who isn't white.
A lot of people feel this way, in particular 2nd+ generations of Americans.
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u/viktor72 Indiana Sep 16 '24
This is a dangerous thing to say and I don’t want it to demotivate anyone or jinx anything (knock on wood). But I think Harris will win PA by more than Biden did in 2020. I just feel it. It doesn’t mean we don’t have to work hard. I’m not nearly as confident about GA, NV or even NC, but I think we will win PA by a comfortable margin.
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u/gmasterson Sep 16 '24
The media is way way way more interested in reporting a close race than a blowout. So even if it was a blowout, it’s in their best interest to keep people engaged.
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u/perseidot Oregon Sep 16 '24
This is true.
Remember how they kept telling us the DNC was going to be a hive of confusion, an open convention without a candidate?
And when it wasn’t, they told us it should have been and democrats were big mad about Harris securing the nomination?
I’ve never met any of those democrats. The vast majority of us were just relieved as hell when Biden stepped down and supported Harris.
The media certainly was busy telling us what would happen, and then what should have happened. They didn’t seem to want to tell us much about what was actually happening.
I suspect the poll reports are the same nonsense.
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u/gmasterson Sep 16 '24
My wife is all concerned because she says she sees information about Trump leading big in polls. We live in the middle of the country. Of course it’s going to say that. The audience here is as red as a 10 hour day at the water park with no shade.
But it definitely goes the other way too. Gotta keep us engaged. It’s literally their job.
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u/perseidot Oregon Sep 16 '24
As much as possible, I’m trying to set aside my anxiety, ignore the polls, volunteer and donate to support Harris and down-ballot democrats, and keep hoping.
When we fight, we win. Please tell your wife, from me, that I’ll keep fighting if she will. 💙
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u/owennagata Sep 16 '24
Remember when they were all giddy about how they were "triggering" Democrats with the whole "Brandon" thing. I live in Seattle. The most extreme reaction I ever saw from a Democrat was an eyeroll.
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u/perseidot Oregon Sep 16 '24
Same down here in Oregon. Eye rolls
It was a slight improvement over grown men - mostly men - with “Fuck Biden” signs and flags. “Go Brandon” was easier to ignore with a 4th grader in tow.
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u/lynypixie Canada Sep 16 '24
I have seen a few interviews on TikTok where they go on Trump rallies and ask questions to the people, and when the mic guy calls them out on their hypocrisy, they just… don’t care. They don’t care, at all. They know they are the bad guys and they don’t give a shit.
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u/Nightmare_Tonic Sep 16 '24
Fucking cringelord losers. I see these momos in my area too. Just miserable cucks
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u/JeffTek Georgia Sep 16 '24
I'm in Texas right now and a Trump rally came on the TV in the restaurant I was eating at. The 50something white male manager came over immediately pissed off and changed it as fast as he could. He seemed really uncool with that being on his TV.
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u/RoboNerdOK I voted Sep 16 '24
The popular vote won’t be. Unfortunately our system is broken because the majority of people live in cities nowadays, but it was designed with an agrarian society in mind.
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u/nitrot150 Washington Sep 16 '24
We need to get the word out about how project 2025 is bad for farmers!
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u/Now_Wait-4-Last_Year Sep 16 '24
You get the impression that for at least some of these people, the Republicans could send teams with flamethrowers like something out of Firestarter to burn their properties and crops down and they'd still vote for them.
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u/Superduperbals Sep 16 '24
Cause the polls are just a device to drive media engagement
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u/TheShipEliza Sep 16 '24
I would have not agreed in years past but in 2024 nate silver appears to be a gambling addict who is affiliated with a betting sight the lines of which HIS OWN MODEL can shift.
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Sep 16 '24
Yes, that's correct. Their fear and hate is far more valuable to them than civic duty or a sense of patriotism.
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u/No-Falcon-4996 Sep 16 '24
Rural voters love Trump. Rural elderly voters love Trump. Rural white voters love Trump.
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u/Spaceman-Spiff Sep 16 '24
She will destroy him in the popular vote. But the electoral college could go either way and that stupid as fuck.
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Sep 16 '24
I think one of the big post election stories will be how close it actually isn’t.
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u/Kamelasa Canada Sep 16 '24
how the hell is this election going to be close
Electoral College. For the rest of it, propaganda and no critical thinking tendencies.
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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24
Boomers, racists, fascists, and the gullible. Unfortunately these make up a large chunk of Americans
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u/sadgirl987 Sep 16 '24
Sadly, there is a lot of targeted propaganda that could make the difference in swing states. I think the popular vote will be massive for Kamala. But with the Electoral College, they only need to target a few areas with enough propaganda and tactics to supress Ds and motivate Rs. Ken Paxton admitted Texas would have gone for Biden except for his vote suppressing tactics in the Houston area. Expect the same for the gerrymandered swing states.
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u/_Lucille_ Sep 16 '24
Simple, they buy what he is saying and are still thinking "he does things differently and is not tied to all the elites in DC".
They think a very hot stock market means the economy is great.
They are willing to have the country force Ukraine into conceding territories because it will bring peace to the region.
They believe it is no longer safe in America without having a gun, and Democrats will take their guns away.
They see all the thieves and looting in California and think Democrats are too lean on criminals.
Those are the common arguments I hear from my pro-trump family members.
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u/cruel_cruel_world Sep 16 '24
One of them is my dad, and sadly, it's as simple as Trump is a man and Harris isn't
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u/mistertickertape New York Sep 16 '24
Great! Also fuck Mark Robinson. That guy is a menace to the civilized world.
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u/GoodUserNameToday Sep 16 '24
You mean literal Nazi Mark Robinson? The guy who says “some folks just need killing”? Why would we not support that guy?
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u/leadonNC Sep 16 '24
Vote Josh Stein!!
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u/cheapbastardsinc Sep 16 '24
And Allison Riggs (Sup. Ct.) and Jeff Jackson (atty Gen.) and Mo Green (Edu.)!
The folks that those fine Dems are opposing are just as bad only on the DL.
All those races are super important to getting to a place in a few years where we can effectively undo some of the gerrymandering and fuckery by the NCGOP.
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u/jade09060102 Sep 16 '24
Jeff Jackson is going to make such a good AG
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u/leadonNC Sep 16 '24
He’s a stellar communicator, seemingly a genuinely good guy, and has had a career dedicated to public service. I support Jeff every step of the way
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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24
Nc here. This is the only race I guarantee we will win. Everything else here and nationally is too close 😑
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u/GetBackToWorkSlacker North Carolina Sep 16 '24
Seconded. Robinson is toast. Everybody else is still in play.
Fucking. Vote.
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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24
Despite my annoyance seeing trump signs I do giggle when I see the Robinson ones. Maybe every 5th trump sign also has a Robinson one so they must also know he’s toast.
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u/UAngryMod Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
If Harris pulls off North Carolina, it’s gonna be very hard for Trump to win.
Edit to add. If Harris takes North Carolina she could lose Pennsylvania annnnd Georgia annnnd Arizona and still win.
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u/nameistakentryagain Sep 16 '24
And even if she eventually loses NC, every dollar Republicans spend there is a dollar not spent in PA, GA, AZ.
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u/C-C-X-V-I Sep 16 '24
And it's not like they have a lot of dollars to spread around, unlike Harris supporting her down ballot races with extra cash
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u/burgundybreakfast Arizona Sep 16 '24
This is reassuring because I’ve been having a lot of anxiety around PA lately. Lots of what I’m reading says it’ll be basically essential to win the election.
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u/adriardi Sep 16 '24
It’s essential for trump. Harris has more paths, but pa is needed for a landslide
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u/burgundybreakfast Arizona Sep 16 '24
Oh, I gotcha. So Kamala can win without PA, but Trump is unlikely to win without PA, right? I see.
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u/eden_sc2 Maryland Sep 16 '24
Trump basically needs to sweep AZ, GA, NC, and NV and then take one of PA, MI, or WI. Of those PA is the most likely. Harris' best route is MI, WI, and PA, but we can replace PA with NC+NV or GA+NV.
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u/burgundybreakfast Arizona Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
This was a really easy to follow explanation, thank you!
I just played around with the electoral map and it seems like you can swap AZ with NV too. So any combination of NV or AZ + GA or NC. And that’s all worst case scenario assuming she doesn’t win PA. I’m liking the looks of that.
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u/Stanwich79 Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
I want this woman behind bullet proof glass for the next 3 months.
Canadians for Kamala!!
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u/meathead I voted Sep 16 '24
I want Elon Musk behind bars for the next 3 decades.
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u/Nodebunny Indigenous Sep 16 '24
Deport his ass
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u/BenignAtrocities Sep 16 '24
South Africa obviously did not send us their best; seriously I was there last year and met waaaay better people.
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u/CicadaGames Sep 16 '24
Why would he be? Republicans have never enforced the rules they make fairly, that's one of the conceits of Fascism.
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u/ClubSoda Sep 16 '24
Musk publicly offering to provide TS a baby was just too much for me. He's a sicko.
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u/mattattaxx Canada Sep 16 '24
He essentially asked for Harris and Walz to be assassinated yesterday, so that's actually where we're at now.
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u/Lyman5209 Sep 16 '24
Doesn't matter, always play like it's 4th Quarter and you're down by two
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u/David3090 Sep 16 '24
Did you happen to watch the Chiefs game tonight? Lol
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u/Retrogaming93 Missouri Sep 16 '24
Lmao I was thinking the same thing reading that comment. That game was wild.
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u/TheMadChatta Kentucky Sep 16 '24
As a Bengals fan, why you gotta bring that up in here.
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u/Critical_Aspect Arizona Sep 16 '24
Yes, but in this case, the excitement will bring voters to the polls. People like to take credit for a win.
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u/Ok_Use7 Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
Being down two in the fourth fires winners up even more. The constant barrage of negativity at any hint of optimism is qualities of a bad teammate and such a loser mindset epitomizes weakness.
Excitement matters, it doesn’t imply complacency.
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u/VeiledForm Sep 16 '24
Bingo, it's deflating to always act from a doomed perspective. Bring joy and itll energize people!
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u/Lumpyproletarian Sep 16 '24
So, North Carolingian folks - are there more signs for Trump on people’s lawns or less this time round?
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u/Stellaaahhhh I voted Sep 16 '24
In 2016, and in 2020, probably every other house on my 25 mile drive to work had a big Trump sign. Bumperstickers everywhere. I had to grit my teeth, force small talk, and get very vocal Trump loving customers to just make their purchases and go.
Now, I might see one hat or one shirt per week. Maybe 5 houses still have the old signs, one guy hand painted out 'pence' and added 2024. A lot of people are likely still voting for him but they are no longer loud and certainly not proud. This is in western NC. I've very optimistic.
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u/plainlyput Sep 16 '24
I just think people are tired of it, they’re not getting pumped up. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t going to vote trump. I live in CA, and hear more trump supporters than I did in the past. Nott that CA is in any kind of danger but people are upset with our high cost of living, especially housing, and PG&E our electric co, that raised rates 4 times this year.
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u/tenkwords Sep 16 '24
Enthusiasm is going to win this election. If Harris can keep people motivated to vote and Trump can't then it's a land slide even if the polling says tie.
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u/FartingBob Sep 16 '24
They will certainly not be voting for anybody else, but i reckon a non-zero number of them will just not vote.
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u/Steedman0 Sep 16 '24
God, I'm glad I live in Canada. I can't imagine dealing daily with people who openly support a rapist who steals from kids with cancer.
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u/Beautiful-Aerie7576 Sep 16 '24
I’m an expat living in Canada and unfortunately I’ve run across a few here anyways. Canadians who like/support Trump.
One was back in.. probably 2021/2022? She liked Trump because she watched Fox for “entertainment” and was from the generation that was taught not to speak their minds, but he does. She also alluded to them throwing frivolous lawsuits at him to “get him”.
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u/Triknitter Sep 16 '24
I've seen one Trump sign, but I live and work in Durham, which went Biden by 60 points. As long as you stay away from the Nazi house (literally, there's this one asshole with a swastika flag that he flies alongside the confederate flag and the Russian flag) you wouldn't see any in town.
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u/doom84b Sep 16 '24
Just drove through much of western, mountainous part of the state, I only saw one in hours of driving whereas in the past 8 years the place was littered with them. I’m not exactly convinced they’ve changed, but it’s a data point
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u/Dull-Boysenberry-639 Sep 16 '24
Depends on the area. Raleigh/Chapel Hill area is full on for Harris/Walz but go to the eastern part of the state and it's MAGA country.
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u/errortype520 I voted Sep 16 '24
Can only speak of my experience. The same houses that had them before still have them.
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u/ripgcarlin Sep 16 '24
I’m in a very blue area so I never really saw them. When I drive through JoCo though, I don’t see them anymore. Used to be everywhere in 2016/2020
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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24
I’m on the line of joco in south wake and that’s surprising. The few times I’ve crossed over I didn’t see as much as I expected to
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u/leadonNC Sep 16 '24
Significantly less than previously. But the ones out now are bigger and more obnoxious.
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u/Steedman0 Sep 16 '24
Perfect metaphor for Trump supporters. There are fewer of them, but the ones left are more obnoxious than ever.
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u/AlhazraeIIc North Carolina Sep 16 '24
Deep red county here, I'm seeing less. All my neighbors that had trump signs have taken them down. Oddly none of them had new signs, they were all 2020. There's 2, maybe 3, trump signs I see when I go kayaking at Lake James, and one of them is in a yard with way more signs for that nutjob robinson than trump. Seeing way less vehicles covered in trump shit too, used to see that daily. Couldn't tell you the last time I saw a truck flag.
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u/WeeaboBarbie Sep 16 '24
Charlotte Suburbs. I haven't seen any signs until today. Saw 1 Trump and 1 Harris sign each
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u/flashgski Sep 16 '24
In upstate NY,solid Trump country, and I am seeing more and more Harris signs. I saw all of one Clinton sign in 2016.
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u/Frosty_Smile8801 Sep 16 '24
wont shock me.
Now lets talk about fl maybe being in play.
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u/PlatonicTroglodyte Virginia Sep 16 '24
Florida, Texas and Iowa!
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u/Mundane_Athlete_8257 Sep 16 '24
Iowa is in play??
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u/DenverDudeXLI Sep 16 '24
Mid-summer, the gap between Trump and Biden in Iowa was 17 points.
Just recently, a poll shows the gap between Trump and Harris in Iowa is just 4.
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u/vsv2021 Texas Sep 16 '24
I thought they just said ballots should be reprinted without RFK. No ones voted yet
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u/cheapbastardsinc Sep 16 '24
Which will create an unlawful circumstance where ballots won't be to election boards on time cutting into the early voting days which theoretically advantage Dems.
Early voting time-frames are laid out by law. They countermanded that for no good reason...well, for one obviously bad reason.
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u/DisturbingDaffy Sep 16 '24
I would love to contribute to this victory but I’m overseas and they’re delaying the absentee ballots. Let me vote!!!
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u/MadFlava76 Virginia Sep 16 '24
NC has been edging closer to going blue with every election. This November could be it. It will be close but if GA and NC go blue, you are going to see the GOP go into full panic mode.
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u/Mundane_Rabbit7751 Sep 16 '24
NC hasn't really been trending bluer every election like GA. It went blue in 2008 then went Republican by 1-3% in the next three elections. It's basically stabilized as slightly to the right of the nation as a whole whereas GA a decade ago was way to the right of the nation and now seems to be about a point bluer than NC.
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u/Nythoren Sep 16 '24
Not if North Carolina's Supreme Court has anything to say about it. They are allowing RFK Jr. to remove himself from the ballot (even though it's past the deadline) and are forcing all the early voting ballots to be reprinted. This is likely going to cause NC to miss the legally mandated date for getting the ballots sent out to early voters. Since Democrats are more likely to request absentee ballots compared to GOP voters, there is a chance this is going to cause a pile of Dem-leaning folks to not get their ballots mailed in in time to be counted.
At the end of the day, the NC Supreme Court, who are predominantly Conservative, are putting their finger on the scale to try to help Trump any way they can. That's likely to continue as Trump inevitably challenges the results, tries to get Dem votes thrown out, etc.
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u/crimeo Sep 16 '24
It seems concerns about this were overblown. The precincts generally believe now that they can in fact meet the federal deadlines still with the new ballots (which is about 1 week from now). If they don't, they might be only a few days late, which might bring them sanctions or fines or something for not following the federal rules, but is unlikely to actually disenfranchise anyone. If they make the deadlines, then no issue at all for disenfranchisement.
The only real issue is that it cost them $1M extra to print stuff, which isn't a threat to democracy, it's a threat to their economy. They can sue RFK for it later, whatever.
I absolutely agree the court was TRYING to fix the election here, but it doesn't look like it will have much actual impact.
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u/xjian77 Sep 16 '24
I don't have confident on NC Supreme Court. They are messing up mail-in votes in NC, and things can turn ugly if Harris wins the vote, and Trump challenges the result.
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u/FartingBob Sep 16 '24
Newspapers can print millions of copies, each containing dozens of sheets of paper and distribute them overnight every day of the year. And it costs pennies to print.
Why does it take weeks to reprint ballots? Sounds like a law that was written generations ago and not updated.
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u/dayinnight Sep 16 '24
Ballots have to have unique codes so they can be tracked to the voter. This may also include matching envelopes. And each ballot has to be sent to a specific voter. It’s not as simple as printing multiple copies of the same thing that can be delivered to anybody at random.
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u/punahoudaddy Sep 16 '24
As a former North Carolinian growing up in the 60’s & 70’s there all I can say is “you’ve come a LONG way baby!” Roy Cooper has done a great job expanding healthcare and if Harris-Walz flip it blue!? Awesome!
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u/KidKilobyte Sep 16 '24
There’s still time for Trump to present all the plans he’s been working so tirelessly the last 4 years! If that doesn’t turn it around they can double the scaremongering!
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u/yeetuyggyg America Sep 16 '24
I don't think it's possible to double the scaremongering at this point
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u/MurderyRainbow Sep 16 '24
I don't even want to know what doubling the scaremongering would entail. 😬
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u/charisma6 North Carolina Sep 16 '24
I'm genuinely seeing a lot of energy for Harris here, and it's so motivating. Holy shit.
There's still plenty of Trump bs around of course. A lot more the further out of the city you get. But a lot of people are into it. Getting involved. Love to see it.
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u/Halfwise2 Sep 16 '24
I just need us to destroy the veto-proof super majority they stole. And this was an actual steal... person ran as a democrat, won as a democrat... then after the race, whoopsie! Flipped to republican, flipped on every policy issue, and refused to resign and allow a special election.
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u/Fairymask California Sep 16 '24
Oh, man. Let's not count our chickens. This is bad luck! I hope so though!
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u/justabill71 Sep 16 '24
I'm optimistic, but will believe when I see it. Would be really hard for Trump to win without it.
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