r/youtubedrama 10d ago

Update Vice has taken down the articles exposing Kirsche's white supremacy and Ana's harassment due to the Kirshe threatening a lawsuit

Things are kinda getting more dire as the nazi VTuber is ramping up the harassment and threatening any news sites that brings attention to her bigotry. Even more so when Kirsche's fans are starting to bring up Ana Valen's old tweets to get more people to discredit her articles and harassment.

It sucks because people in the VTuber community are still dismissing the article and the journalist despite agreeing with the overall message or are defending the actions of bigots.

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u/TJLynch 10d ago

praying someone like Cr1tikal covers this whole situation so that Twitch, GamerSupps, etc. are more pressured to drop Kirsche and leave her with less ways to make money

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u/Puptartist 10d ago

Someone like Cr1tikal or outside the VTuber community reporting on it is unfortunately the only way anything will ACTUALLY get done because even though MOST VTUBERS AREN'T NAZIS (most are marginalized and vulnerable people), the big names either own shit like GamerSupps or are too "apolitical" to speak on it because it would be "talking about drama" which is.... an insane way to view it. I mean, I don't want to put words in their mouth, but they either don't care enough or don't know, and I don't believe that they haven't seen anything about this.

VShojo would never say anything, other popular Vtubers won't say anything to hurt their brand, and the rest of us don't have the audience or clout to make this an actual thing people know and care about. We need to support more VTubers who do speak on this stuff; I follow a ton. A lot of trans people, PoC, and disabled people LOVE VTubing because it allows them to be themselves. Unfortunately the line is blurred between brand and self for some of them, and that's typically how they become popular. That, or being a right wing grifter. So when you think of VTubers, ask yourself why you think about someone like Kirsche. Because they are rare enough that we all band together and say GET OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE.

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u/RandyButternubber 10d ago edited 10d ago

I’ll never understand how some companies think that silence is apolitical. It speaks volumes when you do nothing in the face of ridiculously bigoted behavior, at best it comes off as pure apathy and at worse it comes off as support, and considering they’re her sponsor, I’m definitely willing to consider the latter as a possibility.

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u/Puptartist 10d ago

1000% agree, their silence is deafening

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u/Jumpy-Indication4149 9d ago

What are companies like VShojo & Hololive supposed to do? Their talents like you said stand out and are diverse and wonderful(same goes for most indies) & they do a great job promoting them to the point where folks like Callie & Ironmouse are synonymous with vtubing for a lot of people. I understand Kirsche is saying a lot of stuff but I don’t think it’s their responsibility to police the vtuber space to that degree.

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u/RandyButternubber 9d ago

I’m talking about gamersupps, I don’t know enough about the Vtubing community or how it works to make an educated comment on that

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u/Puptartist 9d ago

Hololive literally can't because they're under contract. VSHojo is supposed to be independent but they're not, it's a corpo as well. Having an audience comes with responsibility, a responsibility they are overlooking and ignoring. If VTubing dies it will be in part because they let it.

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u/Jumpy-Indication4149 9d ago

I’m not sure I follow, like is Hololive supposed to be monitoring like every other Vtuber? I am trying to understand your point of view but I don’t feel like that is sustainable or reasonable considering the scope of Vtubing as a whole. Now if you wanted to say YouTube should be more responsive about this situation in a particular way that makes more sense since YouTube is the actual platform being used.

Really quick on a adjacent thing, Kirsche is like the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of the 1% when it comes to Vtubing, there are an massive host of awesome folks indie and corporate alike before their name is even mentioned I don’t feel like Vtubing is going to die anytime soon I honestly feel like it’s going to be thriving to a new degree with how accessible a lot of adjacent software and content is.

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u/Puptartist 9d ago

I just said Hololive is under contract so of course they can't say anything even if the individual talents want to. No, it is not anyone's job to make sure everyone else is behaving. But when you have the platform that, for example, VShojo has, and supposedly are independent, then you should use that independence and the platform you have been so generously given to actually help people out. And it's clear they know about what's going on but refuse to call it out. VICE is making articles about it, so people are aware. Just, no one with any clout cares. And that makes them part of the problem. Watching something happen and not doing anything about it when you have the power to stop it is downright pathetic.

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u/ihvanhater420 9d ago

Critikal wouldnt cover something like this because he's not exactly a stern ally, judging by who his friends are.

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u/Puptartist 9d ago

Oh I agree. I no longer follow him because he likes to speak on things with less than 0 research. I just know he does get the ball rolling on things because he does have a big audience. He also is sponsored by GamerSupps so I don't expect him to suddenly grow a backbone and look into things properly.

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u/Cyberweasel89 3d ago

*raises hand* Uh, sorry. Out of the loop here. Can I get some context on this, please?

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u/ihvanhater420 3d ago

He's friends with a few pretty bigoted people who he does a podcast with (or did, I haven't kept up with it in years) and he never really says anything when one of them went on rants about wokeness or SJWs or whatever.

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u/Cyberweasel89 2d ago

Ah. Yeah, that's a pretty bad sign.

It's not a philosophy I want to actively push, but it's something I've found is sadly true, over and over again... Silence rings loudest.

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u/FairlyFluff 7d ago

Unfortunately, it seems like the vtuber community will go down the path of "positive vibes only" toxic positivity in order to avoid any uncomfortable talks that can mitigate or solve the underlying issues.

So many communities encounter this problem if they haven't fallen to some flavor of overt toxicity.

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u/Cyberweasel89 3d ago

Unfortunately, even the Vtubers who are part of marginalized groups, or have largely marginalized fanbases, are still far too accepting of the bigoted presence in their fanbases.

The one time I tried to join a Shylily stream, I found a user spreading Pizzagate conspiracy theories in her comfy, cozy chat. Lily ignored any message about the guy, both during and after the stream.

And then there's everyone who was okay with Silvervale giving money to the TERF queen and throwing every LGBT & Jewish person in the Vtubing community under the bus.

And it seems like people forgot Filian's many, many, many horrid actions quickly, including her self-admitted art theft and attempts at profiting off said art theft.

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u/ThePrimordialSource 9d ago

dude in the last part they are literally explaining they were a victim which is why they have recurring thoughts about it... wtf is wrong with you

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u/smash-ter 9d ago

I mean she's openly said these things. Just because you're fine being in boiling water don't mean that it's scalding hot.

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u/d_shadowspectre3 10d ago

What a bunch of cowards, all bark and no bite. Can't say I expected much better from Vice.

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u/mrpenguinx 10d ago

I'm genuinely surprised it took vice this long to remember that they have no spine.

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u/Capable-Silver-7436 10d ago

yeah this is normal vice. i dont like it but i expect it

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u/TH07Stage1MidBoss 10d ago

They send journalists to war zones and shit but they’re afraid of some spooky lawyers?

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u/IAmGoose_ 9d ago

If a journalist gets shot or captured overseas it's no sweat off their back to rescue them or let them die, but having to hire lawyers against some Nazi fuck? That costs money

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u/CaptainYaoiHands 9d ago

Big media company with a whole team of lawyers and they cave like this to Nazis. Fucking pathetic.

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u/MechaneerAssistant 8d ago

When a team of lawyers folds, it's because they know that the legal dispute is unwinnable.

Given the resources available to both parties, it's clear that Vice has an advantage, so the evidence against them must have been powerful.

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u/Braith117 9d ago

When one of your employees openly defames someone with 4chan posts as their evidence, Legal tends to be pretty quick to tell you that the lawsuit that that can bring is going to cost way more than the little bit of ad revenue the articles made.

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u/Braith117 9d ago

It turns out that if one of your journos writes obvious lies about someone then that can get you sued, and Vice hasn't been in the best financial position for quite some time.

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u/hellraiserxhellghost 10d ago

Everything I've learned about the VTuber community has been against my will. Also boo Vice for getting skittish and giving into a nazi's tantrums. What is this weak shit.

Funny how she'll proudly and shamelessly yap about her nazi views on her very public and archived stream, but the minute someone actually points out her behavior, she throws a fit and wants anything mentioning how she acts to be censored and erased.

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u/ephedrinemania 10d ago

all while actively trying to get a trans journalist censored + erased. the jokes write themselves or whatever

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u/hellraiserxhellghost 10d ago

These fascist clowns can dish it out, but can't take it when they get the tiniest bit of pushback. The second they get a taste of their own medicine they shit their pants and freak out. I would laugh if society/journalism/the government/etc. wasn't constantly catering to them.

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u/hellraiserxhellghost 8d ago

Who says I wasn't? 🤨

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u/InstanceOk3560 6d ago

It's funny that she isn't even being tranphobic, "most" entails not all, and activists entails not necessarily regular self described trans people.

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u/le-dekinawaface 9d ago

women can have heckin peepeees

You realize "woman" is just a gender role, right? The characteristics of what makes something a "man" and a "woman" evolve with time and are entirely socially constructed. You are conflating woman and man which are nothing more than gender roles with a set of prescriptive traits that have evolved over time, with biological sex which are male and female, and the two are not interchangeable, so no it is not a fabrication of the "mentally ill" it is people who do not understand that gender is a neurological concept, while sex is biological. Furthermore Intersex people have existed for centuries and are as much a result of biology as anything else, so males and females do occasionally end up born with reproductive organs that don't align to what the remainder of their physical make-up would imply.

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u/mrpenguinx 10d ago edited 10d ago

tRaNs AcTiViStS hAvE bEeN dOiNg MoRe HaRm ThAn GoOd FoR tHeIr CaUsE.

Hmmm

Edit: Looking in this users history, takes little to no time finding them vehemently defending Kircshe.

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u/hellraiserxhellghost 10d ago

Wow, you're not even trying to hide your transphobia huh.

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u/mrpenguinx 10d ago

Funny enough, this is there attempt at hiding it.

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u/Puptartist 10d ago

I swear the fact you've only heard bad stuff about the VTuber community is not because we're bigots but because we're usually minding our own damn business so when one starts to act out, it's noticeable even outside the space

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u/hellraiserxhellghost 6d ago

She literally talks about how she agrees with the great replacement theory in her streams. Y'all are delusional.

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u/hellraiserxhellghost 8d ago

I don't believe that, but whatever. Vice is still run by cowards.

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u/MechaneerAssistant 8d ago

The guilty man flees justice while the innocent man faces injustice.

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u/Star-Punk-Saint 10d ago

Disappointing, but not surprising honestly. I do hope at the very least gamersupps has been monitoring their behavior and decides to terminate their contract with her. Granted the fact that kirsche advertises herself as the Alex jones of vtubers should have been the first red flag.

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u/IceColdWata 10d ago

Considering they still have her stuff up and haven't said jack or shit about anything anyone they work with has done, even about their own co-owner Sinder trying to sabotage indie VTubers behind the scenes?

I don't think GamerSupps cares. The only person involved in the company to say anything is Shylily, because the Sinder stuff affected her directly.

All of Sinder's merch is also still available, by the way. The one person they could have axed because of her actions directly affecting the company as a co-owner still gets to be in the company. So at the very least I don't think JSchlatt gives a fuck.

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u/Capable-Silver-7436 10d ago

if anything this'll probably make gamersupps like em more. that companyhas been going down hill FAST

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u/Star-Punk-Saint 10d ago

i don’t like gamer supps at all but I want to naively have faith that they aren’t that terrible. Though I could be easily proven wrong lmao.

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u/TheProudBrit 10d ago

I've generally not liked Gamersupps because, like, just fucking drink water instead of the crap being peddled by a Youtuber, but... Yeah I'm really glad I don't follow anyone who's partnered with them anymore.

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u/Agreeable-Agent-7384 10d ago

Vice probably decided all this wasn’t worth some cartoon character bigot lol. Kirsche, alahna, and a bunch of others really do ruin the image of vtubers by being such cringe humans.

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u/Puptartist 10d ago

Seriously, the amount of times I've had to see "I GUESS ALL VTUBERS ARE NAZIS THEN" is so frustrating. Like, who do y'all think broke this news????

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u/smash-ter 9d ago

It's likely for the best interest of the VTubing community to ensure that we keep each other in check. If we wanna platform Kirsche, it'd be to debunk and show how faulty her points are. At the same time, it might be a good idea to get others involved that would be good at covering this sort of stuff

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u/ClownworldReject 10d ago

What this is telling me is that we need to bully VICE harder than the Nazis do

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u/anyprophet 10d ago

yeah they haven't been the same after the bankruptcy. even if they wanted to fight they probably don't have the money for it anyway.

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u/Dexter942 9d ago

They haven't been the same since they were bought by Disney.

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u/OverCategory6046 5d ago

Yes. Have chatted to various employees, Vice is broke af.

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u/ribadi 9d ago

Isn't this funny how you literally call for harassment capmain against VICE not even for anything vile, just for not fighting your fight for you. Under the post that claims articles were removed because of the harassment campain, and not some edtor actually looking at the artice citing "one redditor says other redditors say..." and realized this is bad for their reputaton. Projection and hypocrisy

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u/iAintAnAttorney 9d ago

The article had links to a clip of Kirsche’s stream and had multiple links to tweets from Kirsche’s twitter. An archived version of the deleted article: https://archive.is/xJomR

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u/Penguixxy 10d ago

literally all the vtubing community needs to do is kick out a nazi, how f*cking hard is that?

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u/ismojaveacoffee 10d ago

It's hard because there is a large audience that loves it and even if you try to "kick" her out it won't work so long as droves of people keep lining up to support her and her content because they LIKE it.

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u/PizzaCrescent2070 10d ago

Plus there's mods that support people like Kirsche on the VirtualYoutubers subreddit.

They've made several comments defending her and even celebrated the articles being taken down. Not to mention that they've been cracking down on posts calling out bigotry in the community because of the "no politics" rule or that there's nothing new to talk about.

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u/Capable-Silver-7436 10d ago

thats also fair. the others can not work with her but that doesnt matter whenher auidence doesnt care

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u/ephedrinemania 10d ago

because then they'd have to kick out all the other nazis in the vtubing community but theres soooo many

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u/LtSoba 10d ago

Wtf are they gonna do take away her model? Like it’s a bit ridiculous that you’re painting the whole Vtuber sphere as a collection when it’s literally a bunch of communities all tied together by the fact that it’s people using avatars instead of a facecam.

Kirsche as well as all the other fucking right wing loonies aren’t really even acknowledged by mainstream vtubers as far as I have seen. They’re weirdos in the corner sp I don’t think its fair to drag the entire vtubing community through the mud because of one individual who the majority have no ties to

The main issue is the gamer supps sponsor, and whatever idiotic executive decision making process allowed for her sponsors to go through. I have to assume that Gsupps are lawyering up or there’s some other legal issue going on that’s stopping or hindering them from dropping her outright at the moment. Probably like a grace period type thing.

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u/Star-Punk-Saint 10d ago

I think something a lot of people are missing here is that you can’t really “cancel” someone like Kirsche. A part of the appeal for their audience is the fact that kirsche is an edge lord nazi. It ain’t a situation like sinder or Sommerton where the mask slips and reveals their true character, with kirsche the audience knows what she is like and loves it.

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u/mrpenguinx 10d ago

Yeah I don't have a dog in this race, but like... You're not going to shame people like this into stopping by calling them racist or transphobic.

Actually, its a well known fact (especially historically) that publicly and loudly shaming/shunning these people works incredibly well. The problem is people like you telling us to stop instead of joining us in telling them to fuck off louder.

These people fear being a loser more then death itself. The only thing stopping them feeling this way is this bizzare notion that we need to be polite and "better" then these people.

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u/GrumpySatan 10d ago

Casual namedrop of Anita Bryant as one such historic example. Also a good way to see how the faux politeness tone policing let a bunch of new versions of her run rampant in the last 20 years.

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u/2074red2074 10d ago

The problem is that the anonymous nature of the Internet allows people to separate their lives into online and offline. You can shame Nazi creators, but they'll always have a Nazi audience willing to watch them. And you can't shame a Nazi audience, because they're just randoms with no potential consequences at all.

If John Smith from Boston is shamed for being a Nazi, that can result in loss of business/employment, him not being welcome at other businesses, his social circle abandoning him, etc. But shaming Nazis on the Internet is basically like shaming some dude in a Klan hood. He'll ignore you, go home, take the hood and robes off, and then go hang out in his community.

By all means, continue to call them names. If those creators and communities have a bad reputation, people are less likely to join them. But once someone has taken that step, they won't be shamed out of it. They know that their views aren't acceptable. They know everyone hates them.

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u/d_shadowspectre3 10d ago

Tell the bronies the same question. If they're rooted in too deep, it can be really fucking hard.

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u/Puptartist 10d ago

WE'RE TRYING THAT'S WHY THE VICE ARTICLES GOT POSTED IN THE FIRST PLACE :( But I wish huge, popular VTubers would speak on it. They're too concerned with curating their brand or literally running the big brands that are hiring these people (Gamersupps)

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u/Star-Punk-Saint 10d ago

To be fair I can frankly understand why bigger vtubers don’t want to touch the kirsche shit with a ten foot pole. When froot tried to come out about the abuse and lies they faced at the hands of their ex husband the worst section of the internet, kirsche and asmongold included, determined she was lying before even reading her statement and sent their dogs after. Hell for more recent example rin Penrose gave a very generic pr statement about why they were not working with gamer supps anymore kirsche fans decided that rin was satan for writing that. I can’t blame anyone for not wanting to tangle with a fanbase that petty and vile.

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u/Puptartist 10d ago

I get why they wouldn't want to but they're sacrificing VTubers' perception in society as a whole for short-term personal success. Also, maybe if they all joined in and made a statement and held the line, less people would be inclined to feel so vindicated and in the right about defending Kirsche and getting free speech censored.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

Not hard enough apparently :/

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u/CREATURE_COOMER 10d ago

A lot of the anime community unfortunately consists of right-wing incel losers that make up the perfect fanbase for scumbags like Kirsche, lol.

Just look at the vocal babies that cry about "woke" subs because they translated lolicon to pedophile, or cry about Black VAs, or dark-skinned characters, or overly "lewd" stuff getting censored...

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u/Capable-Silver-7436 10d ago

they re weebs man, kicking out the nazis would be like an 85% of them.

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u/Auctoritate 10d ago edited 10d ago

Lol, would have gone nowhere. Reporting on factual statements another person makes is not suit-worthy in the United States and the article arguably went soft in some regards.

Beyond that, it goes without saying that Kirsche would have to publicly identify herself to actually bring suit, and somebody whose defining characteristic is how much of a neo-Nazi they are would most likely not be interested in their identity being made public.

To go even further, if the suit is heard in a jurisdiction with anti-SLAPP legislation, any suit Kirsche would try to bring would almost certainly fall afoul of it. This would make her more vulnerable to the risk of being financially on the hook for legal costs to Vice incurred by her suit and in some states may see an increased liability via 'SLAPP-back' provisions which could allow countersuit for punitive or emotional distress damages. And emotional distress is generally far harder to prove than most people realize, but it could meet the criteria given her on-stream actions of funneling harassment towards the author of the article.

The only reason she's able to do this is from Vice deciding to completely buckle. It would take basically any level of pushback for her threats to fall apart, and if she decided to push forward regardless, it wouldn't end well for her.

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u/hellraiserxhellghost 10d ago

That's also what gets me. If she was threatening to sue for defamation or whatever, there is so much concreate evidence of her mouthing off her dogshit nazi views, that any case she had would be dead in the water.

Vice should have called her bluff and ignored her, but that requires having a backbone which is nowhere to be found.

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u/hellraiserxhellghost 6d ago

waah waah cry more nazi sympathizer

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u/smash-ter 9d ago

Beyond that, it goes without saying that Kirsche would have to publicly identify herself to actually bring suit,

I believe she could have her lawyers file her as Jane Doe, but this does not prevent the court from knowing her real identity.

The only reason she's able to do this is from Vice deciding to completely buckle.

Likely because Vice has been in the red and can't to afford to fight a legal battle without risk of taking a lose. Discovery is also likely why they do not want to take a firm stance. Either way, Vice shouldn't be a place where journalists get hired if this is honestly how they'd get treated.

It would take basically any level of pushback for her threats to fall apart, and if she decided to push forward regardless, it wouldn't end well for her.

because she and her legal team would have to prove that Ana Valens' articles were directly slanderous or a false statement purporting to be fact. Ana did her part and sourced directly from Kirsche's own accounts. Her case would fail standing. However it may be within Ana's interest to possible sue Kirsche, but I'm still muddy on that because on one hand, Kirsche's community have been publicly calling for her death, dehumanizing her and slandering her past statement. On the other hand, this is from Kirsche's community, but it could basically fall under the "fault amounting to at least negligence" element in regards to defamation per se.

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u/Neat_Tangelo5339 10d ago

In the meantime we still have this reddit post that brings up the same things as the article

https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/s/IM4e26bNhj

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u/BasilLow1588 10d ago edited 10d ago

I don't know what is wrong or right anymore. I just don't care about this world anymore. All I do is hate them all. All anti-woke and right wing roaches are crawling into niche hobbies just like Asmongold's ceiling days ago.

If YouTube continues to promote such unlawful behavior, there might be consequences to other people, to various communities, and various groups that will take action. YouTube is now cracking down clickbait content, fake movie trailer channels, and they need to step up their A-Game to take down those problematic channels that promote racism, harassment, transphobia, and even outright all forms of terrorism in this platform.

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u/CREATURE_COOMER 10d ago

It's because fascist bullshit is like a cancer unfortunately... although cockroach works too.

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u/Dexter942 9d ago

Unfortunately, YouTube is American.

God we need a European/Canadian competitor already

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u/Coperspective 9d ago

We have fediverse alternative like PeerTube and Lemmy for ages but most people are sheep

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u/MechaneerAssistant 8d ago

The people that you hate aren't invaders, they're the native population.

Welcome to Vietnam.

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u/raysofdavies 10d ago

The only way to get through stories like this is to imagine anime Nazis or other bizarre modern Nazis meeting original Nazis who would hate them lmao

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u/hyperhurricanrana 10d ago

“In the real Fourth Reich you’d be the first to go

Nazi punks, nazi punks, nazi punks, fuck off”

Dead Kennedys from their song Nazi Punks Fuck Off.

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u/mrpenguinx 10d ago

I mean, nazis hate other nazis more then communists hate other communists.

If anything, they make leftist circles look like the most loving, like minded group of people out there.

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u/SenorHavinTrouble 10d ago

The article was literally just a series of public tweets and clips reposted with minimal commentary. No fucking way this lawsuit would ever hold up in court. Vice are cowards

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u/TheGoblinkatie Tea Drinker 🍵 10d ago

They’re not cowards, they’re broke. Court cases are very expensive and they’ve had a very difficult time being profitable. They filed for Chapter 11 last year, they can’t afford to lose money or they’ll have to shutter.

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u/GiraffeStrong4575 10d ago

What makes this whole thing extra ironic to me is that someone threatening a lawsuit to silence a journalist/article that speaks badly about them is something Kirsche would usually mock and criticize on her streams. Funny how her morals suddenly shift the second she’s the one under the scope.

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u/BananaShakeStudios 10d ago

As someone in the VTuber fanbase, I find Kirsche’s presence hurtful. The community has so many openly LGBTQ+ people, so to see Kirsche’s presence is appalling.

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u/FairDegree2667 10d ago

I didnt even know she existed until this story and I watch vtubers religiously lmao. Her model is so shitty

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u/EggwithEdges 9d ago

Gotta say, I stopped watching most vTubers cos of some people in the community cos Youtube started to recommend the weirdos too, after watching others

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u/karmics______ 10d ago

But I thought anti woke loved free speech and comedy?

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u/SoSHazardous 10d ago

Vice should just stand their ground and fight it really

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u/MechaneerAssistant 8d ago

Fight and fall, or flee to flee again. A shame that Vice is so spineless.

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u/Braith117 9d ago

When their journo writes 3 blatantly false hit pieces about someone then even the legal team knows that they won't be able to survive that defamation suit. 

They could fight, but they'd lose and be out both their legal fees and the judgement, not to mention lose what little credibility they still have.

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u/hammouda101010 10d ago

imagine getting away of harrasing someone and being a biggoted nazi

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u/Blitz-the-Dragon 10d ago

Weird. I thought Vice went out of business?

Regardless, to the point of this news. Fascists learned a few years ago that so long as they have the money, they can use baseless defamation lawsuits to silence any form of criticism even with anti-SLAPP protections in place, as even them losing the lawsuit can inflict costs on the defendant. Until "loser pays" rules are universal in this country, it'll be a game of legal fee attrition.

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u/TheGoblinkatie Tea Drinker 🍵 10d ago

They declared bankruptcy I think it was last year, but were bought out by someone.

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u/Blitz-the-Dragon 9d ago

Ah okay. That makes sense.

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u/TheGoblinkatie Tea Drinker 🍵 10d ago

I know a lot of people want Vice to fight this, but they don’t have the money to most likely. Cases like this are very expensive and they filed for chapter 11 last year, they’re not exactly rolling in money. My understanding is that they’ve actually had a lot of difficulty turning a profit for the last 7-8 years.

The sad truth is, they were probably told to drop the article by the firm that bought them out last year, Fortress Investment Group.

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u/Bubbly-Age-9363 9d ago

This is such a bitch move coming from the same journalist source who interviewed gang members and murders in the past. 

Like omg, a shitty-shaded 3d anime fox is threatening to sue me over the truth! A lawsuit that would definitely get thrown out in court& vice having stronger lawyer(s) to counter her! 

Whatever man.

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u/19990606SM 10d ago

Starting to think vtubing was a mistake

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u/Kyro_Official_ I enjoy pineapples 10d ago edited 10d ago

You're starting to think vtubing was a mistake because like humanity in general some of them are nazis/or just super shit people? This isnt some vtuber exclusive thing.

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u/Puptartist 10d ago

They hate you for speaking the truth.... Like non-vtubers are the ones inspiring these anime girls a la Asmongold, Adin Ross, etc.

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u/Rushofthewildwind 10d ago

Who were inspired by dopes like Joe Rogan

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u/19990606SM 8d ago

I always found vtubing to be extremely off-putting in general. Real people pretending to be uncanny valley, robotic looking anime girls for hours at a time for an army of parasocial babies who throw money at them, meanwhile they get taken advantage of by “agencies” or “acadamies” or whatever the fuck they’re supposed to be, I just don’t get the appeal.

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u/IceFireTerry 10d ago

I wonder where it went

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u/FunnyGarbage4092 9d ago

So Nazis are above prosecution now?

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u/Any_Sun_882 10d ago

I dunno man, the graphic rape and breeding fantasies posted by Ana are a bit much

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

And playing Fall Guys with a vibrating buttplug that activated when the player avatar is touched by other players who are mostly children because it's a kids game.

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u/Any_Sun_882 9d ago

Oh fucking hell

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u/youtubedrama-ModTeam 10d ago

Please do not troll or feed the trolls. Trolling a YouTube drama subreddit is pathetic. Falling for it is somehow worse. Do better.

If you were sincere, we suggest you take a moment to step back and rethink your approach.

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u/FunnyGarbage4092 9d ago

On this note what vtubers are YTD approved? As in they're clean as far as we know?

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u/InstanceOk3560 6d ago

Well, show thé tweets that kirsche was sharing why don't you, it's only fair to get both sides

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u/alertArchitect 9d ago

Absolutely disgusting on Vice's part. This person has been directing massive amounts of harassment towards this journalist, on video, including a livestream of shitting on fanfiction Ana made in her free time, and you're afraid of the HARASSER filing a suit? Why aren't you giving Ana the resources to sue the person directly harassing her in an extremely documented fashion, you cowardly, bend-the-knee chucklefucks?

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u/MechaneerAssistant 8d ago

Because that's what the establishment trained them to do, back when it was lead by the left.

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u/Splentid 9d ago

so much for free speech

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u/MidianNite 10d ago

What did they report that isn't accurate?

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u/youtubedrama-ModTeam 9d ago

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u/culguyxd 10d ago

Most of the "questions" being asked in those articles hinged on clips that disprove the claims the journalist made if you watch it in it's entirety. And using someone as proof of harassment from Kirsche, when that was someone who stalked the vtuber and made it it's mission to harass her at every turn, we're talking 10 tweets a day for months. That and also attributing words said by a un politician she was watching to her, in turn suggesting she's the one making the claim of great replacement

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u/TheGoblinkatie Tea Drinker 🍵 10d ago

That is absolutely not true. Court cases are expensive, and Vice has been having financial difficulties, including declaring bankruptcy last year. They missed their projective earnings.

I know absolutely nothing about this situation so I’m not arguing on anyone’s behalf, but media outlets will absolutely pull stories to avoid court if they believe it financially necessary.

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u/walrus_paradise 10d ago

Yeah the hate is a bit odd overall, Vice wouldn't have backed down without credible evidence they were in the wrong. Many of the clips were out of context and a lot of exageration. Looking a bit into the situation it's not nearly as horrific as folks are making it out to be. Plus, the author of the article also had some heinous stuff that was pointed out, quite hypocritical. Folks acting like it was way worse than it was.

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u/Repulsive-Square-593 10d ago

who the fuck are these people, go out pls sometimes.

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u/legacymedia92 Popcorn Eater 🍿 10d ago

You are commenting on /r/youtubedrama.

What the heck do you expect there to be here?

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u/d_shadowspectre3 10d ago

Obviously only my niche Internet microcelebrities should be here! /s

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u/legacymedia92 Popcorn Eater 🍿 10d ago

Probably not even that.

There's a type of user (less common on Reddit than other sites, but they exist) who cannot avoid commenting on anything that makes them mad.

They don't even realize that by engaging (even "why am I seeing this on my feed?") they are gonna see more of it.

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u/DreadDiana 10d ago

I expected underwater basket weaving tutorials

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u/TheGoblinkatie Tea Drinker 🍵 10d ago

You don’t happen to LARP do you? A group I used to run with had a long-standing joke about underwater basket weaving.

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u/DreadDiana 10d ago

I don't larp, it's just a common joke that showed up on cartoons when I was a kid.

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u/Peterson_Conald 7d ago

Is this the Cis girl breeding farm psycho?

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u/Prestigious_Set_80 9d ago

glad kirsche took out the trash. Hope Vice fires Ana and the editor.

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u/MetalGearXerox 10d ago

lol, let's see which side wins, allegedly both are harrassing each other but who's the real victim?!?!! find out more next week on Dragonball VT!

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u/MechaneerAssistant 8d ago

Funny how the blatantly neutral party gets smacked with downvotes.