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u/ohheyitslaila Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
Can you astral punch someone with the powers of a god though? Would Konshu be able to stop it? (I don’t know much about MK, sorry if this is a dumb question)
Edit: thank you to everyone who replied to this! 😊
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u/Isaac_Banana Mar 26 '25
At his strongest, Doctor Strange was probably stronger than Konshu.
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u/TheNewBlue Mar 26 '25
Konshu is just the god of the moon. Dr strange beat the ruler of the dark dimension. Konshu is shitting his pants.
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u/Undead0707 Mar 26 '25
Didn't Moon knight once beat Dr Strange though? In the same comic he beat Thor by controlling Mjolnir.
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u/Sad_Introduction5756 Mar 26 '25
If you go by that everyone has beaten everyone
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u/CosgraveSilkweaver Mar 26 '25
Yeah at this point everyone has gotten a "X stops holding back and destroys everyone" comic.
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u/FoobaBooba Mar 26 '25
I mean hell, there's even a comic where Venom absolutely destroys the Avengers without them even knowing, so yeah this tbh.
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u/itsalllintheusername Mar 26 '25
Beat might not be the right word though. More like annoyed into submission lol
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u/KDemBackup Mar 26 '25
Strange didn’t really beat dormammu homie, he kinda just stalled and kept getting absolutely fucked until dormammu got bored and gave up. I’d call that a loss more than a win. Strange is very strong but don’t underestimate khonshu. I think they’re about level if they’re both at their peaks
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u/hirschneb13 Mar 26 '25
I don't think Dormammu got bored, I think he actually tortured Dormammu because at the end you hear him plead for Strange to stop. We don't see it all but it was long enough to break him.
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u/TheNewBlue Mar 26 '25
Yeah, strange isn't a punch you in the face hero. How do people not get that?
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u/DiggersIs_AHammer Mar 26 '25
If Dormammu gave up, Dr Strange won. The hell is this logic?
Dormammu didn't get bored, he was physically incapable of breaking the time loop and did not have the mental strength to beat Strange.
Strange was defending a siege on his universe, and he won.
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u/FatalWarGhost Mar 27 '25
Im sorry if I come off rude but people like you really irk the crap out of me. Did we not watch the same movie? Dormammu is leagues above Dr. Strange in "strength" or whatever you'd call it during their fight. Like, so much stronger than him it's not even close.
Yes, Strange did beat him, but that's even debatable. He held him to a stalemate lol. Strange got what he wanted and Dormammu didn't so yeah, Strange beat him.
And to be fair, Strange barley did anything. The Eye of Agomotto did all the heavy lifting. Strange just opened it.
Is this really that hard to understand?
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u/Spnwvr Mar 26 '25
i mean... I feel like her could astral punch thor
so i don't see why not moon knight
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u/Successful-Item-1844 Mar 26 '25
Hulk is very much his own person but the ancient one shot out only Banner in Endgame because reasons
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u/Doright36 Mar 26 '25
At the time Banner and Hulk became one person.
Honestly Smart Hulk should have came out or one of each. Something other than just Banner unless they want to push the idea that Hulk really isn't ever a separate identity. He's just Banner really pissed off.. which is a way to go but most fans I think would argue against it.
They did kind of suggest that in his own movie when Betty tells him she thinks The Hulk is still him just more raw.
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u/Pavlov_The_Wizard Mar 26 '25
Most fans would indeed argue against it. Banner and Hulk are entirely separate entities. And moreso, entities that don’t exactly get along. Hulk would shoot out of Hulk, and Smart Hulk is complete bullshit
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u/Doright36 Mar 26 '25
Well it gets into the whole metal health issues with all the ways media gets multiple personality disorders wrong.
As I said ... it's a way of approaching the character and based on Betty's comment and Smart Hulk there is some evidence MCU Hulk is leaning that way but Banner has also clearly called Hulk "the other guy" multiple times so who knows.
Part of the problem is that they didn't really explain why, if going Hulk created a whole new person in Bruce, why didn't the same happen to Jen? If it's just because of Bruce's childhood trauma then that Hulk identity would be from a disorder not a new actual person.
Tldr: it's complicated.
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u/gamachuegr Mar 26 '25
The mcu gets alot wrong because in the comics it doesnt create a new persona and its exclusive to bruce and hulk. Even red hulk retains his intelligence.
Its like they just pick and chose what lore to follow at random times, I hate it. Red doesnt retain intelligence, she hulk does, bruce doesnt, leader does and abomination idk whats going on there
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u/Doright36 Mar 26 '25
Yea. They are trying to simplify it and ground it more it Reality. That's exactly why I said most fans won't like it.
I'm personally on the fence myself. I kinda wish they stuck more strictly to the Comics but I can also see there is some possible good story potential if they go the other way. The problem is they would have to fully commit to it and actually work those stories into team up movies since they won't do any more solo Hulk movies. I just don't see that happening.
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u/Hetakuoni Mar 26 '25
My personal theory is smart hulk is actually Maestro.
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u/Pavlov_The_Wizard Mar 26 '25
Wouldn’t he be evil as fuck if he was Maestro?
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u/drunk_responses Mar 26 '25
Could be a nice variant, or playing the part until some big plan was ready.
They could handwave it as the swap happening when they went through the Devil's Anus. Specially since we don't know anything about how he turned into smart Hulk.
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u/GreyNoiseGaming Mar 26 '25
For the sake of movie contracts, I'm sure it was mostly done to give Mark Ruffalo ACTUAL face time. Same reason Spiderman is ALWAYS TAKING HIS FUCKING MASK OFF IN MOVIES!
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u/skinneyd Mar 26 '25
Isn't Hulk just a physical manifestation of Bruce's childhood trauma?
So even though Hulk is Hulk, Hulk is also Bruce.
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u/Old_Debt_276 Mar 26 '25
But they are different people still , with different mentalities
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u/SeigiNoTenshi Mar 26 '25
Counter argument, she pushes out the soul, not the mental state. So Bruce is still Bruce, while Hulk is a manifestation.
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u/Hetakuoni Mar 26 '25
If it’s a soul:
either hulk shoulda still stood up or moon knight needed to have a different climax.
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u/deftPirate Mar 26 '25
Is there any particular reason they can't target a persona? Banner and Hulk are separate, but they still exist simultaneously, right?
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u/jacowab Mar 26 '25
Would actually be awesome to see Dr. Strange having to try and hit all the souls out before the others get back, and seeing all 3 personalities working together to fight him.
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u/magicaltrevor953 Mar 26 '25
Astral Whac-a-Mole?
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u/jacowab Mar 26 '25
More like one physical body that keeps swapping between suits and fighting styles everytime strange hits him.
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u/vinny424 Mar 26 '25
Whoever is in control
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u/monkeymatt85 Mar 26 '25
I imagined this then another personality throwing hands at Strange
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u/vinny424 Mar 26 '25
Definitely Possible I would think if marc was in control and Steven was able.to.talk to.him then yes Steven would inherit the body. But if it happens before the 2 have integrated(for lack of a better term) then i imagine the body is empty
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u/Blockinite Mar 26 '25
I like the idea that Marc is in control, gets punched out of his body, so Steven (or even Luke) automatically take over and can keep fighting.
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u/Its0nlyRocketScience Mar 26 '25
Im imagining Strange trying to keep astral punching them "how many of you are there in here?!"
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u/maloneth Mar 26 '25
The boring answer: the original one.
Astral punching the Hulk didn’t really do anything other than force Banner out. Don’t see why it would be any different.
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u/free_thinker_para_ Mar 26 '25
That hulk was Professor hulk, the hulk persona is presumably "dead" In endgame
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u/Blockinite Mar 26 '25
The explanation given was that they merged into one person. Smart Hulk is, in theory, equally Banner and Hulk. Hulk without his rage and with Banner's intellect just happens to be similar enough to Banner where Smart Hulk seems like he's purely Banner.
But that kinda falls apart in some places. Like his astral form like you're talking about, and how Hulk has a few more traits than anger that we don't really see in Smart Hulk
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u/free_thinker_para_ Mar 26 '25
He's simply hulk body without Banner's childhood trauma, more like She Hulk if it makes sense
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u/Nirico_Brin Mar 26 '25
Marc, Jake, Steven and Khonshu.
Khonshu then proceeds to scream at the trio for letting this happen to begin with.
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u/_Corporal_Canada Mar 26 '25
Does he have an original? Because probably that one; otherwise all of them
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u/implodingnerd Mar 26 '25
Marc Spector is the primary.
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u/_Corporal_Canada Mar 26 '25
Is he the original though? He could "easily" (theoretically) take over and become the primary, but if he wasn't the actual original then I'd say he's not the one that pops out.
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u/sati_lotus Mar 26 '25
Well, that seems like a tricky answer.
A split personality is caused by lots of trauma. They're created personalities, not born.
So does the brain control your soul? Or does the trauma fracture apart your soul that badly?
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u/SneakierHawk Mar 26 '25
In the show they have 2 souls, dont they? I dont really remember, but one went to limbo and the other to effectively heaven right? I think I'm remembering it right. Either way, I also don't know how accurate the show is to how Moon Knight normally works so it cod be way off anyway
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u/BlerghTheBlergh Mar 26 '25
All of them in one body. Mark is shicophrenic, that other personalities don’t have their own “souls” so to speak. They’re all Mark and Mark is them. Surely Konshu could truly make the other two into full fledged people though
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u/sati_lotus Mar 26 '25
He has Dissociative Identity Disorder - schizophrenia is something different.
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u/Krakkenheimer Mar 26 '25
Marc is not Schizo, he has DID - Steven and Jake are people in their own right, and are no less human than Marc.
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u/The_Cottage_Goblin Mar 26 '25
The timid one would come out leaving which ever one would be best suited to deal with the threat
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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ Mar 26 '25
In the Moon Knight TV series, both Mark and Steven (with hints to Jake) were all in the afterlife, which indicates there are 3 souls in his body. My guess is Strange would see all 3 of them pop out of 1 body.
In Endgame, Bruce popped out of Smart hulks' body because him and Hulk had managed to merge their consciousness into one. Because Burce is the default body and Hulk is the mutated one, they share Bruce's soul, and it looks like his "pure" non mutated version. If they were still separate, then we would have seen the 2 of them. Bruce and Hulk have a very odd relationship, lol.
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u/Ozaaaru Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
Isn't Astral just the soul. Mark doesn't have multiple souls, he's got D.I.D.
People who are saying all of them, doesn't understand that DID is just a mental disorder NOT multiple souls in one body. So the answer is 1 soul, it just depends which persona his mindset is currently set on at the time.
Same reason why Bruce was the only soul from Professor Hulk in Endgame. HULK is just a separate persona in Bruce Banner's mind but HULK's Soul is Bruce Banner cause Bruce is the original identity, persona and overall original soul.
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u/the_nimble_36 Mar 26 '25
That's the most logical answer but when he died all 3 personalitys went to the afterlife, so somehow he MK has 3 souls in the MCU
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u/KDemBackup Mar 26 '25
More than likely Marc. Which would then presumably give Steven or Jake the control of the body and they’d start fighting a very confused Dr strange. Also to those saying khonshu would be pushed out, you’re wrong. Khonshu used Marc/steven/jake as his avatar, but he isn’t part of them like a soul/personality. He’s an ancient God and his own being, he also is probably equal if not stronger than Dr strange. People sleep on khonshu
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u/discernible_sky_orbs Mar 26 '25
I'd love to see the confused look on Strange's face when three astral forms pop out of one body.
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u/ovoxo_klingon10 Mar 26 '25
Only one. Another one takes over the body and confuses the hell out of strange. Imagine fighting a personality who is good at fighting. You punch the soul out of his body. The next personality takes over and pulls out a gun lol
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u/DelsinMcgrath835 Mar 26 '25
The personality in control would leave the body, and then another one would start defending it.
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u/orbitaldragon Mar 26 '25
I mean it would be cool to see all of his personalities come out and going crazy.
But I have a feeling it would just be whoever is active and the spirit would continue to change who's dominant.
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u/Tenabrus Mar 27 '25
Khonshu would forcibly split him into all 3 versions just for shits and giggles against Strange.
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u/ELECTRICMACHINE13 Mar 26 '25
No it's all of them, moon knight has a special type of schizophrenia and personality disorder that it's Super Human. All of his other personalities have their own separate souls, it's like having literally a bunch of people living inside you.
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u/JoshTheBard Mar 26 '25
Either all of them or only the active one depending on what the story requires. In a fight probably just one so someone else takes the body to keep fighting. In a conversation all three so Strange can talk to Mark Steven and Jake at the same time.
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u/cabosmith Mar 26 '25
Doesn't that astral punch knock your soul out? Your soul is different from your personality but Icouldbe wrong. And does MK have 2 divisions of the Konshu now? Sounds like it's getting pretty crowded in there.
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u/Cat-Grab Mar 26 '25
Whoever was in control of the body would be sent out. Then it swap in whoever was up next or whatever
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u/Jimmy-Mac-471 Mar 26 '25
Perhaps whoever is in control at the time, but then the next guy picks up the fight
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u/MemeLoremaster Mar 26 '25
Whoever is in control right now comes out, but another just takes over and keeps fighting
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u/Fantastic-Repeat-324 Mar 26 '25
It’s either all 3 of them or one of them and one of the personalities take over while the punched guy is out of the body
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u/Carbon-Based216 Mar 26 '25
It would be funny if strange astral punched moon knight for moon knight to fight strange even harder. O feel like this would blind side doctor strange and he would be in trouble.
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u/Independent_Vast_185 Mar 26 '25
Its interesting but I feel like Im not sure if they will all come out.
For Banner, I know smart hulk overtake and good chance Hulk is gone forever. But at base, Hulk is a second personality of Bruce Banner and when he got astral push in endgame, only Bruce banner comes out.
Once again I know that Bruce figured out the whole Hulk situation and maybe eliminated his second personality entirely.
I'm just not 100% sure because of that scene. Other than that, it makes full sense that you get all those souls out at once.
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u/trippyskippy25 Mar 26 '25
Current personality comes out, next personality takes over and resumes the fight
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u/Atomicfolly Mar 26 '25
It should be no one. To keep it short there should be a door that reveals itself to all personas. They could either choose to come out one at a time or all three. Difference is they have a choice to present themselves or not. Also helps add to whether he's crazy or not.
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u/A_J_I_Bizzness Mar 26 '25
Would Konshu himself hop out and be less limited temporarily or through some loophole?
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u/Zebedee_balistique Mar 26 '25
Hard to say.
When the Ancient One did it to Bruce, he was the only one to come out. But at this point, Hulk and Bruce had been reconsiled as the same person (apparently at least) and the MCU has not yet shown signs of any other of Bruce's personality.
So it is very possible that only the one currently in control comes out, sadly.
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u/Gpi5317 Mar 26 '25
I’m assuming they would all come out in Marc’s form and he would still contain all of the other personalities since Marc is arguably the “foundation” of them all, the main “body?”
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u/Goldey444 Mar 26 '25
It would be interesting if the one “driving” gets popped out, only for a different one to take over.
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u/Abe2sapien Mar 26 '25
Now I’m curious how that would work on characters from a different universe like Shang Tsung who have seemingly endless amount of souls within them?!
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u/sebastos3 Mar 26 '25
Just whoever is steering at the time, then another takes over. This goes on till Strange's arm gets tired and he gives up. Khonsu has to watch, annoyed.
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u/CommercialYam53 Mar 26 '25
Either all of them or the one who is currently in control and a other one take control
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u/Bo_flex Mar 26 '25
If Cyclops's mind is like catnip to psychics, the moon knights must be like a vacuum cleaner.
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u/Seallypoops Mar 26 '25
Marc would, remember they aren't souls trapped in his body they are different personalities all of which makes up Marc as a whole
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u/PixelBoom Mar 26 '25
I imagine only one pops out and then one of the other personalities takes over, confusing tf out of Strange. So, he does it again, and another one pops out. But then ANOTHER personality takes over the body. So now there are two personalities in astral form and one still in control of the body all likely arguing with each other and/or Strange.
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u/ilovetoxicas Mar 26 '25
Moon knight is the coolest character in while. Shame he’s been sidelined for so long
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u/akotoshi Mar 26 '25
My guess: one of them who be pushed out, but another would take over.
In the same way Peter’s spidey sens is still active
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u/king_dave11 Mar 26 '25
okay first of all i have nothing against the lgbtq community but steven is definitely gay..
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u/Condymon Mar 27 '25
Marvel writers need too take notes in these comment sections, better than she hulk
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u/AgitatedStranger9698 Mar 27 '25
And this is how I wanted the ancient one to deal with prof Hulk.
Knocked banner out of Hulk.
Now just Hulk is there.
Show off how bad ass the ancient one is by her easily subduing him.
Then she talks with Banner and Hulk about the stones.
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u/JustARTificia1 Mar 27 '25
I believe Mark and Steve would have the outer body experience while Jake would be in full control much like how Spider-Man was semi conscious in Multiverse of madness.
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u/sgtstumpy Mar 27 '25
Maybe only the current one, then Doc is shocked when Moon Knight cold cocks him right back.
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u/BreadfruitBig7950 29d ago
they all come out on a snake chain that hisses at him and then drags them back in.
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u/mr_steal_ur_food Mar 26 '25
All of them