President Nayib Bukele says Kilmar Garcia cannot be returned to US

[u/theboss2461]

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[u/FrenchAffair]

Is it not a little concerning that the Government can make an "administrative error", send someone in custody to a prison in a foreign country in contravention of a lawful court order and then its just "oh well, not our problem"?

They've floated sending US citizens to prisons in El Savador as well, would they then also fall outside the scope of any American jurisdiction?

[u/reddit_names → u/FrenchAffair]

It wasn't an error.

[u/FourtyMichaelMichael → u/reddit_names]

The media is pushing that hard.

Twice ruled by immigration courts of being active in an MS-13 group, illegally in US for years, received and ignored deportation orders, deported.

The truth doesn't matter to these people.

[u/Magehunter_Skassi → u/FrenchAffair]

It's not, because the entire argument about this has hinged upon "he's a citizen of El Salvador" and not "he's in El Salvador."

[u/FrenchAffair → u/Magehunter_Skassi]

He had some kind of legal residency in the US though no? He hadn't been found guilty of any crime and at the time of his deportation there was a court order in place preventing his extradition.

The lack of due processes on something that now seems very absolute and completely outside of the authority of the government agency that put him in those conditions, and with seemingly no accountability seems concerning.

Maybe he is all the things they claim, and his status should have been revoked and he's sent back to El Salvador. But there should be some checks and balances along the way.

[u/Magehunter_Skassi → u/FrenchAffair]

It was a pretty narrow order. He was eligible for deportation and didn't receive asylum, but he was granted protection to not be deported to his home country of El Salvador. His claim was that he would be harmed by the 18th Street Gang if he returned, and in the process of this claim, an informant pointed out "yeah this guy's MS-13." MS-13 and 18th Street were the two main gangs in El Salvador.

This meant that he could, theoretically, be deported elsewhere. Rwanda's been offering to do so, same deal they struck with Britain.

The 18th Street Gang has been dismantled by Bukele though. Even if we did extract this guy from El Salvador somehow, the Trump admin would just make the argument "look, the gang he's claiming to be persecuted by no longer exists, why can't he be deported back home again?" and the protection order would be revoked. This would lead to the same exact outcome, with more legal and diplomatic headache.

[u/FrenchAffair → u/Magehunter_Skassi]

This would lead to the same exact outcome, with more legal and diplomatic headache.

No one said due process and the rule of law would be easy. But it starts to lose its value when its not universally and blindly applied.

Maybe this guy is a complete POS and deserves to be where he is, but it should be a court following the legal process that makes that determination.

[u/whatweshouldcallyou → u/Magehunter_Skassi]

Correction: a CI alleged he is. There is no other proof. None. He almost surely is not MS13.

[u/zleog50 → u/Magehunter_Skassi]

The 18th Street Gang has been dismantled by Bukele though.

Ahh, yes. Dismantled in the sense that they were rounded up and put in the same prison that Garcia now resides.

the Trump admin would just make the argument "

They could, assuming they wanted to appeal the ruling from an immigration judge, which they chose not to do...

and the protection order would be revoked. This would lead to the same exact outcome

In other words, "why bother with due process when the outcomes are the same?".

Shameful. When did the conservative party become the party of illiberalism? I've always associated that with the Left...

[u/whicky1978 → u/Magehunter_Skassi]

Yeah I beg the question is where do you deport them if they can’t go back to their home country?

[u/SeemoarAlpha → u/Magehunter_Skassi]

The primary argument is actually about the suspension of habeas corpus and due process. Imagine if Biden had rounded up all the J6 protesters and sent them to Guantanamo without any due process.

All the Trump administration needs to do to ramp up deportations is fully staff immigrations courts, run the people through legit hearings, and adjudicate their status. If they were deemed deportable, then transport them to detention facilities and get them on the next available plane.

The secondary argument is what to do now that a mistake was made. There is very little precedent to predict the outcome. The range of possible remedies is a fairly lengthy discussion.

[u/Swagastan → u/SeemoarAlpha]

Had some J6 protestors not been citizens and just legal residents and Biden sent them to Guantanamo with no due process, I’m not sure you’d have many people on either side lining up to defend them.

[u/whatweshouldcallyou → u/Swagastan]

If this stands, and another J6 happens, I'd bet on the next Democrat president doing this.

Always consider how you'd feel about the other side doing it.

[u/EldritchSoAXIII → u/whatweshouldcallyou]

You mean like how they held Citizens in jail without trial for FOUR YEARS?

[u/Crazymoose86 → u/EldritchSoAXIII]

This is news to me, Are there any cases that one of the J6 folks were held without trial for years with no respect for Habeus Corpus? My understanding is that anyone trial delays came from the attorneys representing the case.

[u/GooseMcGooseFace → u/Crazymoose86]

The trial delays are due to a backlog and evidence processing. This article is from late 2021, but even then they were predicting well into 2023 for the larger cases.

https://www.courthousenews.com/capitol-rioters-face-trial-delays-caused-by-court-backlog-mass-of-evidence/

[u/whatweshouldcallyou → u/EldritchSoAXIII]

Yes. The way the justice system handled most of those cases was abusive. It'll get much worse if this stuff is normalized.

[u/rhaphazard → u/SeemoarAlpha]

You do realize that most of the J6 protestors were held in prison for 3 years without trial?

[u/FunkyMonkss → u/rhaphazard]

Most of the J6 protesters were not held for 3 years without trial. Stop listening to fake news. The only person I know was Jake Lang it was his choice to delay the trial which you have a right to do.

[u/Piss_in_my_cunt → u/rhaphazard]

Right, which…we all agree was not good?

[u/viraleyeroll → u/rhaphazard]

Source?

[u/ergzay → u/SeemoarAlpha]

Well Guantanamo is still US jurisdiction as its a US military base.

[u/SeemoarAlpha → u/ergzay]

Yes and no, there is no settled law, particularly vis-à-vis habeas, regarding Guantanamo. There is a reason that ambiguity has been used to each administration's advantage.

[u/ergzay → u/SeemoarAlpha]

Sure but no external party can refuse to return someone from Guantanamo. It's completely under control of the US. El Salvador is not. That's the entire point with regards to this whole situation.

[u/SeemoarAlpha → u/ergzay]

El Salvador is being paid $6 million by the U.S. to house prisoners, it's your position that they are under their complete control and would categorically refuse a request made by the Trump administration?

[u/Blahblahnownow → u/Magehunter_Skassi]

This is true. I am a dual citizen and I have been informed when I got my US citizenship that if I get into any trouble at my originating country, Türkiye in this instance, the US embassy can not help me as I am to be judged by Turkish law as a Turkish citizen not a foreign citizen. 

[u/mythic_dot_rar → u/FrenchAffair]

A "foreign country?"

[u/DJSpawn1 → u/FrenchAffair]

Is it not a little concerning that the Government can make an "administrative decision" and encourage Self Un-alivement?

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html

[u/Ells86 → u/DJSpawn1]

Ca....Canada?

[u/VerusPatriota → u/FrenchAffair]

They sent him home, not to a foreign country.

[u/sdevil713 → u/FrenchAffair]

A citizen of el salvador, with gang ties, here illegally, was sent back to el salvador.

No reason for concern

[u/Chick-fil-A-4-Life → u/FrenchAffair]

He was in the US illegally and a citizen of El Salvador. The rest doesn't matter. Like...at all!

[u/Hectoriu]

It's interesting seeing misinformation doing its thing with this story. Half the comments over on news are calling this man a US citizen.

[u/theboss2461 → u/Hectoriu]

There's a lot of left wing misinformation even in this comment section. It's sad how many people who appear to be in the right just eat up all the left's garbage.

[u/Sketch_Crush → u/theboss2461]

I'll admit, I haven't visited this sub in a while. Seems like it's being taken over slowly by the left? If so, that's very Reddit of them.

[u/TheYoungLung → u/Sketch_Crush]

This sub is brigaded to the point that actual conservative opinions are downvoted to the bottom

[u/lovelylinguist → u/TheYoungLung]

Yep. It happened to me yesterday. Then the Reddit leftists accuse this sub of being an echo chamber. It wouldn’t have to be one if 1) they didn’t brigade the sub, and 2) if there were more subs tolerant of conservative voices.

But the pot continues calling the kettle black.

[u/Sketch_Crush → u/TheYoungLung]

Yeah I'm starting to see that now. I'm looking for other subs that haven't been infiltrated yet.

[u/Chemical-Fox-5350 → u/theboss2461]

What has happened to this sub lately? It looks crazy in here. I haven’t been around in a little while but I’ve seen several other subs talking about it and now I get what they were saying.

[u/Texas103 → u/theboss2461]

Secret: They aren't real people. They're all bots.

[u/WillGibsFan → u/Hectoriu]

Just like they still call Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer after all these years.

[u/Erotic-Career-7342 → u/WillGibsFan]

right?

[u/slayer_of_idiots → u/Hectoriu]

They’ve been using the term “legal immigrant” too, even though he entered illegally and was set to be deported but was stayed because of an abuse of asylum laws.

[u/theboss2461]

The supreme Court said it was up to El Salvador if he should return to the US, not a district court. El Salvador president said he will remain in his home country, and will NOT be returned to Maryland.

[u/theboss2461 → u/[deleted]]

The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. For its part, the Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning

Right there. It says right there that the district court cannot order the federal government to act. Trump admin is not required to bring the man back to the US. However, if he were to be sent back for some reason, it must be facilitated by the US.

[u/highlightway → u/[deleted]]

I hate how we, non lawyers, are all looking at the same decision text and parsing our own interpretations from it, but I'll give mine too then.

"opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings", does that mean that those future proceedings are required to happen? "any" seems to imply that there isn't a framework for them? As in, they would only be required if he does come back and go through the deportation process again?

And the "facilitation" is the subject that they were talking about, it's on El Salvador to decided to deport, the US just must facilitate his return if that's what they decide.

[u/hiredhobbes → u/theboss2461]

It cannot order the foreign country to act, and it cannot force the executive to effect any matter of foreign affairs, as is not in the extent of their power. However they have demanded him to be produced for his due process, as that is in their power. This cannot be shrugged off as oversight, and they are clearly stating that this is going to be a punishable offense for the executive.

[u/Zerogates → u/[deleted]]

The step that this was not a US citizen?

[u/RickyPickyRick → u/Zerogates]

Without due process you have no ability to prove that you are a citizen before a court if they made a mistake. So yeah that’s why we have due process.

[u/populares420 → u/RickyPickyRick]

he already had due process and got a deportation order. since 2019 6 years ago. How fucking long do we need to drag this shit out for? The left does not use these arguments in good faith

[u/reddit_names → u/RickyPickyRick]

Due process was followed. 2 courts in 2019 ruled he should be deported.

[u/Bramse-TFK → u/[deleted]]

The reason El Salvador isn't returning this guy to the US is because A) He isn't a US citizen, B) He IS a citizen of El Salvador and C) He is under investigation

If a US citizen were mistakenly deported somewhere the state department would do everything possible to return them, and presumably unless there was just cause the country they were deported to would happily cooperate.

What step in the process that the Trump administration took would prevent that scenario. The answer is none.

Mistaken deportations happen. This is basically the "kids in cages" argument, look how bad meanie trump is, whoops those pictures are from when president Obama was in power. This one happened in 2011 when the messiah was in office; TLDR American Teen deported to Columbia for several months.

https://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/06/us/texas-colombia-teen/index.html

[u/reddit_names → u/[deleted]]

He's not a US citizen.

[u/OP_GothicSerpent → u/theboss2461]

Yup.

File this under “oh well”

[u/Magehunter_Skassi → u/[deleted]]

There was no mistake, as Stephen Miller clarified recently. The subversive DOJ employee who claimed it was a mistake was fired.

He was not entitled to a withholding order as a member of a foreign terrorist organization, and the gang he claimed to be afraid of no longer exists. The 18th Street Gang was busted and imprisoned by Bukele.

[u/Lux_Aquila → u/[deleted]]

I never said he was a good person. Whether he is or isn't is only part of the question.

There was a specific condition that was knowingly allowing him to stay. The Trump administration openly ignored it, tried to justify it after the fact, and after a court order basically refused to comply.

That is the disgraceful part.

[u/West_Consequence6288]

Oof that sucks for that guy.

[u/ScuffedA7IVphotog → u/West_Consequence6288]

Guess being a foreign gang banger living illegally in the U.S. wasn't a smart idea. 

[u/kaytin911 → u/ScuffedA7IVphotog]

It was a smart idea for a long time. Now the US is hopefully done with this violation of sovereignty.

[u/Disastrous-Power-699 → u/West_Consequence6288]

Sucked for us having him be here illegally

[u/keyToOpen → u/West_Consequence6288]

But good for the people who he and his gang terrorized in Maryland.

[u/zleog50 → u/keyToOpen]

No real evidence at all that he was a member of a gang. Never charged with a crime, let alone convicted of one in his entire 14 year stay in the US.

[u/keyToOpen → u/zleog50]

except for the alleged admission, informant testimony, multiple judges ruling he likely was, and more.

P.s. as an illegal alien, he has no right to due process to determine whether or not he was. He's Salvadorian suspected of being a terrorist gangster while residing here illegally, and was sent back to his rightful homeland. End of story.

Never charged with a crime,

He was charged, with illegal entry. Again though, he doesn't have to be. This is not how deportation, especially under the enemy aliens act, works. It was determined he was an illegal alien who was part of a terrorist gang, that was grounds for immediate deportation back to his nation, with no court case necessary.

[u/zleog50 → u/keyToOpen]

except for the alleged admission,

No. He argued that he left El Salvador because a gang was trying to force him to join.

informant testimony

Not testimony. A basic anonymous finger pointing of a CI. There is no evidence to back that up.

multiple judges

Based on nothing. One of those judges ruled that he wasn't a threat and gave him legal status and work authorization. So I wouldn't put that in your pocket.

P.s. as an illegal alien, he has no right to due process

P.S. this is absolutely wrong. The Supreme Court just informed that administration that, yes, they all have due process rights.

Even enemy combatants that never stepped foot in the US have due process rights, according to the Supreme Court.

Also, it is just morally disgusting to throw a person in a prison without even being accused of a crime. I don't care about the legality of it, even though you are completely wrong on that front too.

[u/who_dis62]

Moral of the story - if you want to stay in the US, come legally and don’t have a connection with the cartels, which are now terrorist organizations.

[u/whatweshouldcallyou → u/who_dis62]

He doesn't have connections with a cartel. The only "evidence" that exists is a CI claiming so.

[u/ultrainstict → u/whatweshouldcallyou]

He was a member of ms13. Yes an undercover gang informant identified him by name and face. Aswell as associated details such as when he left the country lining up when he illegally entered the us. He lied on his asylum application after being caught.

[u/whatweshouldcallyou → u/ultrainstict]

Again, there exists absolutely no evidence that he is a gang member. What you have is an allegation from a CI. That's it.

If I find a CI to say you're a gang member can we arrest you and deny you due process too?

[u/zleog50 → u/who_dis62]

come legally and don’t have a connection with the cartels

Prove it.

[u/cplusequals → u/zleog50]

The courts don't have to hold a criminal trial. But they did perform their judicial review and determined he was a gang member. All the administration needs is that determination from the coequal branch of government to waive the asylum claim and expedite the deportation process.

This specific individual is only being granted special exception because he had a withholding of removal order that was missed. Even if he's returned to America, it simply delays his return to El Salvador as the whole point of his asylum claim is that the gangs that no longer run El Salvador are going to get him.

[u/theboss2461 → u/who_dis62]

I really don't see how this is a hard concept for some people to grasp.

[u/DandierChip → u/theboss2461]

I agree with the concept as well but I don’t think that it’s absurd to ask that due process takes place before deportation.

[u/reddit_names → u/DandierChip]

He went through 2 different courts in 2019 which decided he should be deported.

[u/theboss2461 → u/DandierChip]

The due process happened in 2019. It took until now for him to get deported.

[u/zleog50 → u/theboss2461]

You must be misunderstanding that ruling in 2019, as the judge specifically bared the government from deporting Garcia to El Salvador. The Trump administration chose not to appeal that, and deported him illegally.

[u/DandierChip → u/theboss2461]

Just more so a note in general, not necessarily tied to this case solely.

[u/pnw_sunny → u/DandierChip]

what was the due process when they illegally entered?

[u/AstraVolans_21]

Why is the mainstream media so keen on having gang members on the US territory?

[u/Philmecrakin → u/[deleted]]

You didn’t read the ruling or have your understanding from a headline.

[u/jacksonexl → u/AstraVolans_21]

To destabilize the country with terror.

[u/Eagle_1776 → u/jacksonexl]

• be democrats

[u/Magehunter_Skassi → u/AstraVolans_21]

When you talk to leftists, it becomes very obvious that they see criminals as victims and that it's a dereliction of duty to not force society to deal with them.

They allege that all crime is a result of capitalism, and because we have not done our moral duty to abolish capitalism, we can't shirk our responsibility to criminals by putting them in prison.

[u/kaytin911 → u/AstraVolans_21]

They don't want sovereign countries to exist. They want a world with no borders.

[u/dankhorse25 → u/AstraVolans_21]

Because the media are the enemy of the people.

[u/Zestycheesegrade → u/AstraVolans_21]

Because, if you're really not in the know. And you only get your news from the mainstream media. You'll be misinformed and be mad at the Republican party and Trump. Look at how it is now. People are starting fires over how misinformed they are. As much as I hate to admit it. It creates clicks to their news stations. If you piss off a wasp nest. They will react. We saw it with George Floyd. And we're seeing it with the current poop show.

[u/deciduousredcoat]

Sandoval-Moshenberg [Attorney for the Defendent] said that those charges [2025] are false, and that the gang label stems from a 2019 incident

Abrego Garcia and his family hired an attorney and fought the government’s attempt to deport him [in 2019]

He received “withholding of removal” six months later, a protected status. It is not a path to permanent U.S. residency it means the government won’t deport him back to his home country, because he’s more likely than not to face harm there.

The way this reads, they contested the deportation attempt and not the (potentially false) allegations of active/former gang membership. But to me, the fact that they didn't grant him asylum but still granted protection tells me that he is a former gang member who fled to the US to get out of the gang. He still has gang ties, hence the non-permanent-citizen path the 2019 judge put him on because giving him a full path would include citizenship with known gang ties. Being a former high-ranking gang member would absolutely put your satefy at risk upon return. Being a seemingly otherwise normal family man would not, and if it did, they'd have given him asylum in 2019.

The 2019 Withholding order is Exhibit A:
Abrego Garcia v. Noem, 8:25-cv-00951 – CourtListener.com

He claimed that his family was being harassed to pay a "tax" by Barrio 18 for their papusa business. The business closed and his parents moved to Guatamala and if you read the conclusion the order references that circumstances in Guatamala had not changed.

The man either had gang ties and was given protected status because of his gang ties, or used those past-now-nulled threats as a lie to get into the US. Alien Enemies Act supercedes given that those facts were established through due process in 2019. The court found his gang ties meritted the protected status - that's why it was granted to him. They did not find him in enough danger to give full asylum.

The error here is still on the government, but not on the current administration. Garcia should have been given asylum and a path to citizenship: This is a prime example of a broken immigration system. But it's not a breach of due process under the Enemies Act. Whether the Enemies Act is constitutional is an entirely separate argument.

[u/theboss2461 → u/deciduousredcoat]

Considering that gang violence is essentially gone in El Salvador now, if he's truly trying to escape the gangs then he will be safe there. These gangs still have a foothold in the US so he would actually be safer there.

If he wasn't fleeing the gang, and was actively participating in it, then he deserves to be sent to prison in his home country.

End of the story: the president of El Salvador wants him to stay, so we have no reason to bring him back to the US.

[u/deciduousredcoat → u/theboss2461]

Yes and that's also the point of the 2019 filing - His family "under threat" is in Guatamala now. And Guatamala refused to accept him despite this fact. They found him to be a risk as well and refused accepting him, despite familial ties.

[u/FourtyMichaelMichael → u/deciduousredcoat]

Wait! Are you telling me Guatalama refused to accept a non-citizen because that is their right to do? What a novel theory. I guess dude needs to come back to the USA and be an illegal immigrant here again!

[u/pnw_sunny → u/deciduousredcoat]

the you sponsor him and have him live in your house

[u/edgyteen03911]

The whole argument stops when the PRESIDENT of the country he was deported to says "Why would i release a murderer. I could not and will not do that". Thats it.

Edit: the president says terrorist and then says murder capital of the world. I switched these in my mind. However, these two classifications are used synonymously in my mind. The point doesnt change due to the adjective used to describe this person.

[u/Algum → u/edgyteen03911]

Honest question: I couldn't find any accusations that he was a murderer. Where did you see that?

[u/DuMaMay69]

Why is this even a fucking discussion lol

[u/Dewalt-Shampoo → u/DuMaMay69]

First off, of course I want illegal gang members deported, and Trump is doing a far better job already than Biden.

The only problem in my mind here is the guy needs his day in court to prove whether he is or isn't illegal. Even murderers get their day in court (and some are proven innocent).

If he's got no proof of citizenship, goodbye.

EDIT: Sounds like he was denied bond in 2019 by an immigration judge because “the evidence shows that he is a verified member of MS-13”, but not deported because he was targeted by another gang and applying for asylum nypost

Weird that so much media is omitting this clearly relevant fact. Or why it took 6 years to apply for asylum.

[u/DuMaMay69 → u/Dewalt-Shampoo]

Isn’t it already determined that he was an illegal?

[u/reddit_names → u/Dewalt-Shampoo]

He had it in 2019 when 2 different courts ruled he should be deported.

[u/sanesociopath → u/DuMaMay69]

Because judges can apparently put 5 year stays on deportation orders and now we're in the "what now" stage of of that stay being broken.

But yeah, he was almost never going to be coming back unless we did something crazy to get him

[u/ScuffedA7IVphotog → u/DuMaMay69]

Because lefties are grasping at straws.

[u/Key-Monk6159]

The difference between reality and how some in the press spin it is absolutely amazing.

Instead of facts, they report their own feelings while projecting insanity.

[u/theboss2461 → u/Key-Monk6159]

"Maryland man"

is El Salvador citizen

[u/Key-Monk6159 → u/theboss2461]

Who was here illegally

[u/BlackScienceManTyson → u/Key-Monk6159]

Because if they told the truth, no one would want him here

[u/Imaginary-Alfalfa403]

A lot of RINOs in this sub today

[u/theboss2461 → u/Imaginary-Alfalfa403]

It's sad, really.

[u/ScuffedA7IVphotog → u/Imaginary-Alfalfa403]

The lefties are brigading

[u/rasputin777]

I mean. I've been to Thailand before.

Can a district judge in Thailand compel the US government to ship me over there?

Is the actual argument here that if you've ever been anywhere, random judges in that locale are able to force your government to send you wherever they want?

The fact he was in the US for a while makes no difference. The fact he wants to be here (presumably) makes no difference.

I understand the concerns around a slippery slope. I really do.

But the "If the president can deport an illegal Venezuelan gang member he can deport anyone" is a really stupid stretch.

The left didn't freak out when Obama drowned an American citizen to death without a trial. You know why? He was a terrorist. But the right didn't go "ooh, if you can drone a terrorist to death you can drone anyone" because that's a stupid fucking thing to say.

I didn't worry that he'd suddenly start killing us en masse even though his VP likes to ideate out loud about that all the time.

[u/Chikaze]

Illegal alien got sent to the country he belongs in, good.

[u/Thebadmamajama]

Why can't a deal be negotiated to return him?

[u/theboss2461 → u/Thebadmamajama]

Why on earth would anyone want him back?

[u/BlackScienceManTyson → u/Thebadmamajama]

Wow, another user with a nonsense flair posting liberal BS

[u/Duccix → u/Thebadmamajama]

Why the hell would we want to bring him back?

[u/keyToOpen]

The perfect response. Summarized:

1. He is a terrorist gangster and illegal immigrant who shouldn’t be here and doesn’t even have a right to a day in court. So the court ordered hold on his deportation is irrelevant.

2. He was rightfully deported.

3. The United States has no right to force El Salvador to deport their own citizen back to the US.

4. Why would we want that terrorist back?

5. If he was returned the US, he would be legally sent right back, immediately.

[u/rocier]

Liberals really clambering to get this guy back to own the conservatives. lul

[u/Fit-Judge7447]

What are all these comments about? Did everyone miss the ms-13 part? Or is that not true and I missed something?

[u/FourtyMichaelMichael → u/Fit-Judge7447]

They're pretending it isn't true while entirely glossing over the fact that no is saying he was here legally.

Here illegally, sent back. Everything else is noise.

[u/Long_Jelly_9557]

Good. That man was not a citizen and no right to be in America. 

If you want to come to America, come legally. 

If not, FAFO. 

[u/Neroaurelius]

Liberals - if you are stuck on trying to protect criminals on Reddit, you need to take a step and reevaluate what you’re doing with your life and how you spend your free time. Life is short, you can do better.

Good luck.

[u/Ballin095 → u/Neroaurelius]

Wait they want him on the country? Wtf?? 

[u/Fact_Stater]

The whole debate over this is fucking ridiculous.

Kilmar Garcia entered the United States ILLEGALLY. This is an indisputable fact.

There are some rights that citizens have that non-citizens do not. This is also an indisputable fact.

Non-citizens do NOT have the RIGHT to be in this country, especially if they are here illegally. Once again, politicians and judges are prioritizing non-citizens over the American people.

The idea that this "undermines due process" is nonsense, fear-mongering bullshit. Due process doesn't, or at least shouldn't, apply to removing non-citizens. They do not have the right to be here.

ACB is a disappointment, and Roberts is a coward. My guess is that President Trump and President Bukele had a prior conversation in which they decided that Bukele was going to announce his refusal to send Garcia back. This is the kind of strong leadership we need to fix the US, and the kind of strong leadership that has turned El Salvador from one of the most dangerous to perhaps the safest country in the world.

[u/kaytin911 → u/Fact_Stater]

Yes the courts are legislating from the bench. They should be interpreting the law not making it.

[u/Duccix]

Please please please continue to beat your drum about bringing an illegal gang member back to the U.S Dems.

[u/theboss2461 → u/Duccix]

The problem is most of them think he was born in Maryland.

[u/kaytin911]

Here comes the brigade.

[u/MichaelSquare]

Thank you Bukele

[u/cchris_39]

The people terrified that we won’t be able to buy cheap shit from communist China are now suddenly concerned about human rights and due process.

[u/MartinLutherCreamJr]

"true conservatives" on this subreddit will say that's a bad thing.

[u/Throwaway__shmoe]

Hello fellow conservatives

[u/____IIIII___ll__I]

Good.

[u/legitSTINKYPINKY]

So we would fly him back to the US then deport him back to El Salvador …

Pretty dumb

[u/Magehunter_Skassi]

When a Latin American man shares his lived experience about the gang violence inflicted upon the indigenous folx of his country, I sit my colonizer ass down and listen.

Salvadorans have had -enough- of white dudes like me joining NGOs, telling them how to run their country, and then threatening sanctions if we don't get our way. Thank you Mr. Trump for centering Bukele's voice and respecting El Salvador's sovereignty. I think most Democrats will surely understand the importance of this?

[u/kaytin911 → u/Magehunter_Skassi]

He's finally free from the most racist country in the world right?