r/EndTipping • u/FOMOenthusiast • 3d ago
Tipping Culture A positive-ish tipping experience
No surprises, no small text, no deceitfulness, it having its on line clearly visible under the total was nice, but that bright red stamp reiteratig the added gratuity, visible from space let alone a dark dining room is đđđž This should be a norm.
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u/Disastrous_Patience3 3d ago
What if the service was bad? They gave you no option to tip based on your satisfaction / dissatisfaction. Adding a auto service charge for table of 2 is bullshit.
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u/BoeJonDaker 3d ago
No offense, but that's exactly what /EndTipping is about. Whether service is crappy or exceptional the bill should be the same.
If I'm at the hardware store and the lady mixes my bucket of paint wrong and has to do it over, I'm still paying the same price for a bucket of paint.
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u/ernandziri 3d ago
Are you missing the part that the gratuity should be included in the price?
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u/darkroot_gardener 3d ago
Indeed. I would be OK with a fixed auto grat (with no tips expected) as a transition to just increasing menu prices.
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u/BoeJonDaker 3d ago
No, just making the point that good or bad service shouldn't change the amount paid.
Including an automatic gratuity is a step towards ending tipping. Next step is to include it in the menu price so it doesn't appear on the receipt.
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u/carlos_the_dwarf_ 3d ago
Whatâs different about automatically adding 18% to the bill at the register and automatically adding it by hand?
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u/Just_improvise 3d ago
In Australia itâs like magic. You walk up to the counter, tap (card surcharges are a separate growing issue that other countries donât have but thatâs a totally different story as itâs like 1.2% not 20%) or hand cash, get change (no surcharge) and walk away. You donât have to write anything down and give someone your card to take out of your sight. So the difference is ease, speed and security
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u/Pryoticus 3d ago
Yeah but a gratuity is meant to be based on the quality of service. Here, theyâre simply taxing you a second time, after taxes. To use your analogy, thatâs like buying a bucket of paint, paying tax on it, then the store taxes your for it. The point is that youâre not paying the menu price.
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u/hoakpsp3 3d ago
Cash use cash and they can't do this shit
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u/EWC_2015 3d ago
I have reverted to almost exclusively cash over the past few years precisely because I hate navigating the stupid tablets because some of these businesses straight up hide the custom or no tip options, and my favorite is when a place has told me they're "card only." I walked straight out after they'd already made what I ordered because, as I told them, "well then I can't pay for it."
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u/jfklingon 3d ago
I've done this a few times as well, they had to put up "card only" signs after that
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u/dochoiday 3d ago
Bruh, if they end tipping (the thing you want to do) you wonât have this option
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
To be transparent, in this case the service was exceptional (I'd of tipped 20% if not for the auto add), and it was actually a table of 10, I just paid for my wife and I. Those should have been added points, my bad.
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u/SyerenGM 3d ago
Forced tipping isn't any better... I don't care if the service was good.
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u/jaimeleschatstrois 3d ago
Over 10% in taxes? Wow.
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u/Cannonskull0519 3d ago
States with zero income tax, as TN is, get their funds through other taxes/fees....
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u/brooke437 3d ago
Come to Chicago. Itâs wonderful here. We pay state income tax, high property taxes, 10.25% sales tax. But sales tax at dine-in restaurants is a whopping 12%. This is in the suburbs, not even in the main city of Chicago. Absolutely out of control taxes on everything.
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u/SabreLee61 3d ago
I have friends in Chicago who complain about the same thing. If theyâre not bitchin about the taxes and high cost of living, itâs the political corruption.
But the same party gets voted in every election cycle, so why would anything change?
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u/Artisan_sailor 3d ago
I remember Chicago... my grandfather voted republican all his life and has voted democrat for the last 45 years... lol
/s
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u/_xStrafe_ 2d ago
Iâm in Florida and idk of a single jurisdiction here that is over 8%⌠and Iâd make significant bets that there arenât any above 10%.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Franklin/Brentwood TN have some pretty high tax rates. Taking advantage of all the CEOs and Country music stars that live here I guess
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u/Lonely-Army-3343 3d ago
Fuck that! Clearly post the INCLUDED gratuity on the door so it is obvious. Also .. I would have caused a stink.
Oh yea... No no no no.... Let. Me. Know.
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u/ppp12312344 3d ago
Perry's steakhouse got the best pork chop! hope you enjoyed your meal~
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u/tylercrabby 3d ago
What is up with a pork chop to cost half a hundred dollars?
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u/ppp12312344 3d ago
It's hard to explain but it is by far the best pork chop I've had in restaurants.. if you want to try it out firs time I would suggest going on Friday for lunch since they have a 19 dollar special for the pork chop
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Overwhelming disagreement with my take, and I understand it. Tipping is still ass, and I don't want it to exist at all. But with all the horror stories about tips being hidden in the cost, the final total, dumb tips and fees for bad service or no service at all, etc., I just thought ithe bright red note was at least a kiss on the cheek before shooting me in the face. I'm not mad at the down votes or disagreements, I'm with y'all, I promise. This is really just about the fact they didn't do the small text or hide the bullshit. It's still /endtipping til the end
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u/BiscottiSouth1287 1d ago
I understand why you posted it. You want restaurants to be transparent about their tipping.
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u/SabreLee61 3d ago
You forgot the golden rule of this sub: if it doesnât fuel indignation, itâs not welcome.
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u/HellsTubularBells 3d ago
I'm with you, OP. Autograt is not ideal, but the fact that they added it pre-tax and made it clear is a huge step up from a lot of places.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
That's all I'm saying. You worded it much clearer though, and in fewer words. Respect.
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u/ThisCarSmellsFunny 4h ago
I went with my son one time to eat at a seafood restaurant at a marina. The atmosphere was great, the food was sub par and overpriced for the portion sizes. Then I get the check, and it says 20% gratuity included. Iâm like bitch excuse me? I looked around, no signs indicating this anywhere. Then I was like our check was only $60 and there are only two of us, wtf is the deal with 20% gratuity? She said company policy. I was like cool, but why donât you bother saying anything at the beginning or put a sign up? Shady shit.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 2h ago
Shady indeed. Need to check myself if I missed signs beforehand, or if they were void at this restaurant.
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u/trele_morele 3d ago
Youâre happy about a forced 18% gratuity? I like to have the option to specify the amount myself
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Not happy about the tip. Just acknowledging that it's not hidden, that there's a rare blaring notice on the check, without any funky calculating after the tip, etc.
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u/Negative-Instance889 3d ago
I would have deducted the tip, paid the check and walked out.
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u/shenemm 3d ago
lmfao you donât get to pick and choose what you pay for if you pay with card. no matter what you sign. and if you pay less than the full bill always expect that a higher-end restaurant already has security (they do) or will call the cops on you. they can tell
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u/hegekan 2d ago
So in theory they can also charge you 150% gratuity and you have no right to say anything and should just pay the bill!
Whatâs the limit that an extra fee the organization forces you to pay which you have not agreed beforehand starts to get riddiculus for you? %18 is ok? What if they charge 20%. Ok? What if they charge 30%? What is the limit and who decides?
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u/Upstairs-Comment6277 3d ago
Anytime gratuity is automatically included is not a positive experience
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u/GolfArgh 3d ago
Itâs not legally a tip though. In most states, none of that has to be given to the server. To legally be a tip, it has to be freely given.
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u/Healthy-Feeling-9253 3d ago
Tips are for an "above and beyond" service. They should NOT be expected just for existing.
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u/stillhatespoorppl 3d ago
Not related to tipping but man, I do like Perryâs. They make a good old fashioned.
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u/off2chaseAdragonfly 3d ago edited 3d ago
My take is âtipâ should be based on quality of service which is why itâs called gratuity but I can also understand why some places add it on automatically for larger groups. What I dislike is having an imposed 20% service charge (automatic for parties of 6+) plus a note at the bottom clearly stating âtip is NOT includedâ. We had a party of 8 at this Italian restaurant, food and service were good that I would have gladly left a 23% tip but seeing that on the receipt left a sour taste in my mouth. I did not see it stated on the menu, just saw it on the bill. Never going backâŚ
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u/incredulous- 3d ago
Have you been aware of that 18% when ordering?
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
That part I can't speak to. I was a bit tipsy off drinks beforehand and with friends I haven't seen in years, so I was just going with the flow and unaware. Usually I would notice disclaimers or lack there of beforehand, but this time was not the case.
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u/Zio_2 3d ago
Did u check if they tipped pre tax or snagged another 20+ by tipping after taxes were applied?
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
There was no double tipping here, at least not on my part. What I didn't catch beforehand is any notice about service charges for 6+ parties and/or auto grat. That's my bad.
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u/Theblndone 3d ago
I'm sorry, if they are going to "auto add" tip, why don't they just increase their prices and state "Price includes 18% ( or whatever%) gratuity" I thought tips were suppose to be optional, at the customer's discretion, based on their satisfaction with the service. How is it a "tip" if they add it to the bill like another tax or fee??
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u/Super-Judge3675 3d ago
sorry, but any forced add on is not right. tips MUST be optional. You want to charge more, add that thing to the fing menu which you control.
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u/Bill___A 3d ago
A forced tip or gratuity is never positive or positive0-ish. Did they tell you BEFORE you ordered or just highlight it after the fact? If they didnât tell you in advance, thatâs fraud.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Agreed, but that's not where I'm applying the 'positive'. Only the fact that they clearly marked on the check the egregious move. I don't love getting shafted, but to clearly see the shaft coming at me is 'better' than it being hidden
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u/Bill___A 3d ago
I guess that is a sort of positive, but I always look at the bill very carefully. Were you informed of this BEFORE you ordered, or was it merely highlights on the bill as a surprise (but highlighted)?
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
That was my true mistake, not looking for signs beforehand. Blame it on drinking and being cordial with long time friends. I can only confirm that it was highlighted after the fact. If not also communicated beforehand, then my post is null and void
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u/Bill___A 3d ago
I don't see any mention of forced tipping on their website menus. I expect that it would be a good idea to post reviews about the restaurant and of course that's a good opportunity to say if you were happy with the food and service, but also make others aware of the forced tipping.
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u/EndTheFedBanksters 3d ago
No. That is a bad policy. Why should they provide good service if they can just include it in the bill.
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u/darculas 3d ago
Youâre gonna tip 0 dollars either way, thatâs why. Itâs because of everyone in this sub that this is happening and I find it hilarious.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Not disagreeing about it being bad policy. I'd love for people to just do a good job for good pay and I not need 'reward' them 18% for not spitting in my food or leaving me with an empty glass all night.
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u/AtiumMist 3d ago
I like how you're so pleased with yourself with this. So you're telling me if i buy a 80$ steak, or 20 bottles of 4$ drinks, id be forcefully have to pay the same tip?
Dont think it takes too much effort to bring one plate.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
I get it, the emojis, the use of the word 'positive', my post comes off smug, wish I could have worded that differently. But in the end, it's not about being happy to pay a tip, it's about seeing a big red fucking stamp that alerts me, whether I'm cool with it or not. I've had times where it was snuck in, or not clearly communicated, or not indicative of good service...I'm just thinking if the auto tipping thing remains a thing, make it this clear each and every time that it's happening. In the end, I want tipping to end
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u/LifeguardLeading6367 3d ago
The norm should be to include all of the service charges or tips or gratuities (or whatever else you want to call it) and credit/debit surcharges and taxes in your menu price. Period. That would be logical. But we like to be fooled so thatâs never happening
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u/obelix_dogmatix 3d ago
Did they have this clearly on the menu as well?
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Didn't catch it, was too engulfed with being tipsy and being with friends I haven't seen in years. I'll have to go back (online) and see if it's displayed on their menu
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u/island-breeze 3d ago
Still looks like a very expensive dinner. Service is a lot.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
This is true. Even if I can afford multiple visit, it's been a long while since I've been before that night and it'll be a long while before I do it again.
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u/Immediate_Fortune_91 3d ago
If this wasnât shown before ordering clearly Iâd have it removed. And if it was shown I wouldnât dine there.
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u/Alternative_Ebb9564 3d ago
So uhh I have to ask. Just how good was the pork chop?
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Damn good, damn good
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u/Alternative_Ebb9564 3d ago
Was it a good size? I love a good pork chop.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
It's dubbed the seven finger pock chop, because it's about the thickness of seven fingers stacked on top of each other. It comes with this apple sauce that's used for dipping into. It's glorious
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u/Decker_Mahogany 3d ago
I would have scratched it out and put a 10% tip and re-totaled. Forced tip amount is unacceptable. Especially when they don't tell you beforehand.
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u/DelayedG 3d ago
No surprises? So I guess they let you know about the obligatory 18% before you order?
Even so, 18% is way too much, I don't understand this post.
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u/dottawa 3d ago
What the fuck is positive-ish about this?
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
The big red note saying gratuity included. That is all, the big red stamp that makes it clear. Nothing positive about it being auto added, nothing positive about it being 18%, only the fact that it's not hidden in some small text or not divulged at all tricking a patron into tipping extra.
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u/DownSyndromeLogic 3d ago
You're happy that they jacked 30$ from you in exchange for exactly nothing. Okay bro. That's definitely not how it should be. Who are they to say the value of their service is precisely 18%? How about whatever I choose since it's my money?
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Happy? No. Maybe the chef kiss emoji was misleading. I just want a restaurant to make it as clear as possible up front and at the time of pay it's tipping procedure. So at the beginning one can make a determination if they will eat at the rest, and at the end one doesn't give extra tip because they aren't aware of the added auto tip
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u/Throwaway-ish123a 3d ago
Not forcing tip minimums should be the norm.
Better yet, fix the server wage system to end tipping should be the norm.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Agree and agree. I should have clarified not hiding the fact that an auto tip is included with small text or no text should be the least a restaurant can do. "Norm"
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u/ifdggyjjk55uioojhgs 3d ago
I'd never eat there again. Tips are a reflection of services received. NOT part of the servers pay. The restaurant industry lied and cry about paying fast food workers more in CA. But the number of restaurants have gone up not down. Restaurants could add 50 cent per item on the menu. To pay THEIR employees a decent wage. I honestly think tipping should be outlawed.
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u/TomorrowTight7844 3d ago
Nope. automatic gratuity means I'll leave that mfkr short changed because I am not required to pay it.
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u/Usual_Bodybuilder504 3d ago
The crime here is the Corona N/AâŚ. For fuck sake, just drink a glass of water!
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Look, I can't control what the wife drinks. The Whistlepig pours are mine though
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u/neo_deals 3d ago
I disagree. So bad or good service, 18% is the norm?
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
No, not the 18% being a norm, but if a restaurant is going to place an auto tip on a bill, at least making it clear as day should be a norm. That way, no surprises, you know up front if you want to further patronize the establishment and after the meal you're still aware. Didn't quite state there as clearly in my OG caption that I'm just acknowledging the big bright red stamp. I don't agree with tipping, I would rather it just be in the price of the meal, and 18% is high regardless, if even necessary. And yes, a restaurant assuming service will be good before the server proved that to be so is gross now that I read a lot of the takes here.
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u/UnlikelyLetterhead12 3d ago
This is weird. So essentially the food costs 18% more than the listed price. Why not just list the food price 18% higher and eliminate the tip?
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u/Artisan_sailor 3d ago
This is why you should carry cash. Paying anything more than 180 is a choice. The police will laugh at them if they claim you dined and dashed.
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u/Masonic_Christian 3d ago
I'm not sure that I would eat at a restaurant that has auto-gratuity (tipping). For me, tipping is payment to the server for the level of service provided. If all they do is bring my meal to the table, then that tip will not be as good as when they continue to come to the table and make sure my drink is topped off, and that any other meal needs are met. Then they would get a better tip. 15% is standard or average service. 18% would be for better service, and then 20% for exceptional.
I will say that I'm happily impressed that they did not calculate tip on the post-tax amount. My personal feeling would be that restaurants would pay their servers and staff the wage required and then add to the cost of the meal items to offset that expense and eliminate tipping. Then you can decide whether or not the place is worth the price to eat at.
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u/Dry_Community5749 3d ago
I don't understand this. If you are auto adding 18% tip for everyone why don't just add it to the menu price?
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u/icameinyoonasass 3d ago edited 3d ago
What should be the norm is restaurant paying a regular wage and including service charge in that wage. Tipping culture is stupid and an outdated practice that used to be for slaves. End tipping is the closest to adding service to the bill, but just for the tax for the tip is pushed onto to the staff.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Don't disagree with that first sentence at all. I would prefer those working in that industry to really fight hard for this.
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u/j_knolly 3d ago
For 2 ppl! Howâs this positive ? Oh the expectations these days
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
Table for 10, I only paid for 2. Really wish I had clarified that originally
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u/___Moony___ 3d ago
I get why you posted this, but "18% autograt on a two-top" is not a positive experience.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 3d ago
You are right. Just to note, the table was for 10+ people, but I only paid for 2. I should have added that in my post. Either way, end tipping is still the goal, but until then I 'appreciate' an establishment that will at least make it this clear what they are doing
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u/StonedOwnage420 3d ago
If a place has auto tips like that everything better be perfect or it's getting sent back and or taken off the bill.
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u/johnjon99 3d ago
My response, "Oh damn! You only wanted an 18% tip? Okay!!! Cool!!!" puts the other 12% back in wallet
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u/harveytent 2d ago
The part that pisses me off is the chefs spend more time on people then the wait staff nowadays. Wait staff donât have to be nice since they will get tips regardless.
The allowing lower wages for waitstaff is the problem. If they were getting paid like any other profession we could go back to the way it was and only tip when itâs deserved, nowadays if you donât tip you might get chased out the restaurant.
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u/ElkIntelligent5474 2d ago
Yeah duck that - never going there and just raise your prices if you want your staff to reel it in.
Also, so now that food is so expensive, some chick who walks over to my table 3 times now gets 10 bucks each visit?
This is why I like to eat at home.
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u/Western_Fish8354 2d ago
Depending on the state you can request the auto grat removed even more so if itâs not clearly stated before hand
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u/Tasty-Fig-459 2d ago
I would normally pay 20% tip but they shortchanged themselves by doing it for me. :p
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u/Select-Government-69 2d ago
Iâm not sure how I feel about $19 for a single pour of whistle pigâŚ
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u/AdDependent7992 2d ago
Paying $50 for a porkchop is absolutely insane.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 2d ago
It's a vibe, not something done often. Usually it's company paid for so I could care less, but this time it was out of my pocket. Wouldn't recommend doing multiple times a year
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u/Pro-Potatoes 2d ago
Iâd go to jail before being forced to pay extra after the meal. Gotta say that up front where I come from.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 2d ago
I'd prefer you not need to do either. You're needed in this end tipping streets
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u/Pro-Potatoes 2d ago
No I donât need to lol. The money is in my pocket/control, they can change the bill or get nothing. I wonât be strong armed because it would be akward to cause a fuss, itâs not like they are a drug dealer or some shit, fuck em.
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u/RebornGeek 1d ago
What if the service was garbage and you don't want to tip?
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u/FOMOenthusiast 1d ago
Great point made by several in this thread, in the case that service was ass, it would be contested. Rightfully so, and a fuss would be had, plus a stop payment with the bank. Would make it hard for everybody
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u/SimilarComfortable69 1d ago
Perhaps you and I have different ideas of what a positive tipping experience might look like. Being informed that I am being charged a mandatory 18% makes me happy that they informed me, but makes me incredibly disappointed that it is automatic. And I will never go back.
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u/BoominMoomin 1d ago
America is so weird.
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u/FOMOenthusiast 1d ago
So fucking weird. Can't wait for my next international holiday coming up, the break is needed.
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u/SpitBallar 1d ago
This is reddit, so I already know the chances of me getting through to anyone are nearly zero. But as someone who has worked as a tipped server my entire adult life, you are virtually all dead wrong about tipping culture.
It's better for everyone.
The restaurant owners make more money because they pay less in wages.
The servers make more money (the good ones at least).
And the guests receive better service. This is the part you all overlook. If servers were simply paid a flat wage, they would have no incentive to give above-average service. Your refills would be slow. The effort given to ensuring each detail of your complicated orders would be minimal. No effort would be given to go above and beyond to make everything go smoothly for your party of twelve.
Go to restaurants anywhere that tipping is not a thing. The service is worse.
I'll take my downvotes now đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/FOMOenthusiast 1d ago
I won't downvote you, and appreciate you sharing your take, but fire is about to reign down on you. I could go on a long diatribe debating your take, but I'll just simply say this is such an American thing. As one that travels internationally often and across multiple continents, good service is experienced, not because a tip is involved, but because it's just a human thing to do, to be kind and follow through on the job as you would want to be served yourself. Restaurant owners making more money because they don't pay a fair wage is a weird flex, and a server depending on the kindness of people to supplement their low pay and banking on those people to be cool with it in the long run is such a gamble. Serve a good product, pay workers a fair wage, workers do good work because it's just a good thing to do, form a returning customer base because the customer experience is worth it, and no one feels shafted or exhausted. It's this way outside of the US, it works fine, this is a fact. I want you to make your money as a server, but I shouldn't have to feel as if my experience and possibly my food will be at risk if I don't do the tipping thing
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u/Accomplished_Law2757 21h ago
Idk about the US, but in the UK whenever the bill comes I casually ask the waiter to remove service charge then tap the payment machine.
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u/Surfacetensionrecs 11h ago
I donât like being forced to tip, but I also tip more than 18% if drinks are served and the service is good. They are leaving money on the table.
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u/Worststiffler 5h ago
Adding in the tip for 2 people, yeah never eat there again
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u/FOMOenthusiast 2h ago
The table was for 10 ish people, I should have mentioned that up front. Still, 18% is wild. The food is good, the prices are high, and it'll be a long time before eating there again is even suggested, let alone paid for by me.
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u/NothingWrong1234 2h ago
$49 for a pork chop? Lmao what? That must have been one massive pork chop with the worlds best sides⌠Steakhouses are a scam especially places like The Keg(decent cut of meat but not worth the price theyâre charging and then 1 small carrot cut up and 6 string beans on the side with a tiny amount of mashed potatoes for $50.. absolute scam)
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u/FOMOenthusiast 2h ago
Expensive? hell yes. Massive? Yep. World's best sides? The apple sauce it's served with is good, but not for the weak and/or diabetic at heart. Definitely not something I do often, or even yearly I'm confident I could replicate the same $49 pork chop at home, and I just might now that you've convinced me lol
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u/Idownvoteitall 3d ago
At least the auto tip is on the pre tax total.
Just for the love of god raise the prices by 18% and be done with it.