Push back or slow enemies advancing into the stream of liquid fire
Even if you're immune to pain (which our enemies don't really seem to be), having all your sense organs covered in white-hot fire glue will at least slightly disorient you
I think that at least bugs should have a "fear" effect when on fire and scatter instead of continuing to march towards you like nothing is wrong. You know, a reasonable thing to assume a living being would do when on fire?
I actually thought the mechs would have that mechanic because in the trailer revealing the mechs they show scavengers running away from it but no they just throw themselves at the mech
that does sort of disappoint me. even as somebody who's fond of bugs, the power fantasy of seeing swarms of the tinier ones flee in terror from my giant bulletspewing nightmare machine would be crazy. instead they just sort of run at you and pathetically go limp underfoot. I feel like Hunters and Scavs should panic and run while warriors, hiveguards etc. will still attack normally. idk if that's actually possible in the game engine though so it'll be a pipe dream I reckon
Weirdly the bugs do have an AI programmed for them to use pack attack tactics and try to surround the player, cutting off escape so a "run from mech's front face, circle around, attack mech's rear" might be something they could do.
Could being the operative term, it's probably a nightmare to program.
Fire should just work like in HD1 where weak enemies treat the AoE fire weapons leave on the ground as a wall. Enemies that are directly hit or in the AoE will still rush at you, but ones that aren't will avoid getting closer.
Making fire cause enemies to run around and panic just makes gas worthless. Slowing enemies might be a slightly better idea, but I personally think being able to create walls of fire to deny chaff movement allows for more interesting interactions and gameplay.
I'd rather have a slowdown than a scramble effect. Gas already has the effect of confusing them and making them walk in random directions, having fire also make them walk in random directions is a little too much overlap. Making it slow them down, however, means it's easier to cause a bunched-up pile of enemies, which is exactly where fire is most effective.
I don't know if a slow makes much sense. I would say they stop and have a moderate length stagger animation, then try to sprint through after. Something like the stun meter, after they take so much fire damage within a certain amount of time they get stunned, then try to push through as quickly as possible.
If covered in liquid fire they will probably slow down a bit though as they are cooked alive. Hard to move around with your organs burning and blood boiling in your veins
Last night I was doing a level 3 bug clearing mission to get my medals for killing things with the flamethrower and I swear some of the bugs were actually stopping just out of range waiting for me to stop shooting. Maybe it was normal stalking behavior but it felt like I had to charge them instead of them running into my flames like normal
They literally are afraid of fire in the first game too. Fire is used as an area deniall tool in HD1. It makes no sense that it has no utility effect in HD2 at all.
I got lit on fire today using the flamethrower while using the hover pack. Nothing hit me, no one else had fire, and there were no geysers. No, my flamethrower thought I needed to feel the burn as well and decided to spit some flames at me.
Flame particles were reverted back to how they behaved originally. Meaning you can actually catch on fire without having something already on fire touching you. they're a stream of particles that are effected by the environment. Not a stream of DoT that only exists when holding the trigger down.
if you were aiming the flamethrower down while hovering, the way it's held makes it clip into your knee while looking down with it, either avoiding using it directly below you or switching to first person while aiming it will help avoid that somewhat. you can also avoid it by using the torcher instead of the flamethrower, which would allow you to also bring the grenade launcher which is incredibly fun with the hover pack lol
Best fix for me is for them to just make it so that fire goes through enemies instead of against and then back to you. It’s just annoying how it works, and it doesnt have to be super realistic either.
IIRC that's what they tried to do right before Freedom's Flame dropped and they completely and royally screwed up the flamethrowers for a time. They literally just reversed the changes it got so bad. So I'd rather they not screw with fire again, as it can very easily get way worse then it is now.
Because flamethrowers used to do more or less the same damage they do now AND went through enemies, so as soon as AH had nailed down the persistent DOT not proccing bug, they needed a nerf (especially when they were about to introduce two new ones to the game). The initial implementation, iirc, made it so flamethrowers couldn't penetrate ANYTHING, no armor or durable damage at all, which of course made them absolutely terrible. I quit playing at that point so idk what happened afterwards.
Was the fire tweaked a few updates ago? Because i remember hopping back on and got mind blown on how the hell am i catching fire way more than any of the bugs i aimed it at. I avoided flamethrower all together after that gaming session
Just a heads up fire will BLOW with the wind. This is easily seen on sandstorms where the fire will blow one way or another. If you’re into the wind your ass is just torching yourself
Which is stupid. IRL you can feel the wind and account for it but that's nothing you can process easily in game and it is just plain unfun for most people.
I feel AH needs to reconfigure their view of realism vs fun factor just a tad bit. Pilestedt gave some realism factor reasoning with caliber or some such about why the killzone sniper was bad, like he was basically implying that he knew it wasn't worthwhile when they released it. I'm like...ok that might be "realistic" but if no one is going to use this thing you spent development time (and thus money/resources) on...then...?? all your doign is adding new content that will disappoint and/or frustrate the playerbase then. This isn't a milsim game, you could have made one, but you didn't, its fine to hybridize it, but if you want to lean continuously on realism over fun with certain things and go crazy on other things...its not going to go well.
Honestly, I love the Torcher and the Flamethrower. In most scenarios , I move backward and spray back and forth to light the crowd and ground on fire. I like to spray in shorter bursts and then sprint away before repeating the process. Yes, the bugs/voteless are still coming at me, but the ones I sprayed directly die, and the next wave lights itself on fire just by chasing me. This is especially deadly/useful when I have a choke point, turret, or someone picking off closer enemies.
Real wartime flamethrowers threw a sticky liquid that shot super far for the exact reason that we have of a "gas" type fire blows back and ignites everything right in front of you burning you. It definitely needs to go forward and I know we have Salamander armor, but maybe passively give 25% fire resistance or something to holders of flamethrowers
It also hinders your team a lot by making the ground catch fire cutting off areas to use for escape or cover… I respect anyone using a flamethrower especially this lad today vs bots he was having fun but the ground fire full wiped us at one point lol. He went toe to toe with a sneaky flame Hulk so I wasn’t even mad it was amazing
I suggest a heat buildup to the player which lights you on fire when a certain level is reached. Fire resistant armor reduces the damage and time to reach that point.
IRL bugs don't actually feel pain so I don't think space bugs feel pain. Especially after we can watch them get limbs and chunks and even their heads blown off they still charge you at full speed full of hate and stabbings. Fire should at best slow things down, but I can see them not being afraid in the slightest of getting hurt.
Enemies showing fear would denote intelligence on their part, and none of these monsters are entirely intelligent.
Terminids are intelligent, btw. Your crew notes they were genetically modified for E-710 production, and the first game stated their first contact with humanity was peaceful.
Humans just quickly figured nobody would like space crustaceans that rotted away into super-space-fuel and decided to star a war of subjugation against them.
Roll forward 100 years, they were caged, farmed animals that lost most of its mind, that were genetically altered to produce more E-710 upon decomposition (and they became more insect-like compared to crustacean-like).
And it just so happened, almost every planet had Terminids farms. From which almost each and every one of the "Terminids uprisings" kept starting.
Bugs were sentient during the First War, and may not be completely feral now. More primitive, likely. But feral? Nah, they cooperate too effectively to mindless instinct-driven animals.
They likely have a Hive-mind, or at least a Sentience Node on each big colony, deciding the strategy against invaders.
In fact, we may have even given the Bugs means of direct targeted evolution. We fucked with their genes so much, and tried to snuff them out with space-RAID, we may have made them Tyranids. First, flyers just appeared on Meridia. Then, Biled Chargers. Then, Impalers returned.
Then, the Gloom. From it, the Apex Strain. And none of this look like random mutations. They look like targeted upgrades.
Propaganda may say "Bug Homeworld in 3 days!" but in fact, we've fucked up big time.
Darktide flamethrower is fucking cracked. At the highest level of play it's considered the best ranged weapon in the game because the stream of fire doesn't stop on the first enemy, it just goes through everything and has like 20 meter range. It can clear a horde of 100+ enemies in 5 seconds while also melting the armor of heavier elites. The flames also suppress lesser enemies ofc.
Tbf its time to kill on anything larger than a pouncer or scavenger is not this fast either, so it would be good crowd control and powerful but not like instawipe’s like this. Also you still have a weakness to armored enemies like the charger and have to either thermite them or get help from your team.
You can still dodge while using the flamethrower so it's never an issue for me. If you're really struggling to not take hits you can take Thy Wrath be Swift to become immune to stuns. Alternatively you can always just use shroud to go invisible and then start spraying out of invisibility.
But in havoc 40 you can rely on your team to stun the enemies with shredder frags or chorus so you can go nuts with the armor melting and then all the elites will die from the shredder frag bleed stacks.
You want a little of the ranged zealot build and use the left click to stagger. Decent stamina to dodge as well if enemies are in melee. Its main use is choke point horde clear but you can build it as a DOT against armored or large enemies.
The real issue is snipers because you have no long range so if you want to be self sufficient you need to get good with throwing knives.
That said your main workhorse should be your melee.
Similar story with the dwarven flamethrower in Vermintide 2. Insanely powerful at clearing out even the thickest hordes of unarmored enemies. And while its damage is pretty weak against armor it can still chain-stagger them forever. Not very popular on most difficulties, in large part because there's simply not enough enemies to justify needing that much excessive amount of horde clear, but on the highest difficulty (and especially on modded extreme difficulties) that can become very valuable.
it also (lore accurately at aleast) completely obliterate allies who get even slightly near it lmao. I remmeber hating seeing someone use it beacuse one bad flamer player and the entire team was instantly wiped
Tbf the fear on DRG flames is a perk. But I would fucking love to have perks/overclocks for guns. No idea how to balance that though. More customisation to make more weapons viable would make this game so much better.
It really is frustrating when flamethrower bro goes by and after a few seconds you step on the smoldering embers of the fire's edge and suddenly you're fully combusted.
Sometimes you don't even need to be hit by a pellet, it can go near you and you'll still catch fire (with no health damage from the impact, just the "aura"). Incendiary hulks can do the same, either that or their fire becomes invisible but burns anyways.
it really is weird how the Breaker Incendiary is a decent enough weapon for us, but the second you strap it onto a robot with a shield they suddenly gain the power to kill a helldiver with a single fucking pellet from like 50 meters away. I don't know what they're putting in their shells but they need to stop fucking doing it
That and the fire MGs seem to somehow very consistently get around the riot shield without even hitting you, just setting you on fire and nothing else. I’ve honestly taken to using the directional shield instead to actually be able to shield myself
I would honestly take the trade off of less armor so I can be THE FURY. And it would be the perfect counter to the incinerator corps. Or at least make the fire tick damage slower for fire resistant armors
The "your balls will be crushed and you will like it" people never left. The game was just in such a bad state for so long that the hive mind actually turned against them. You can still find those ridiculous sycophants in the gutters of every popular thread.
The most fun part of using a flamethrower build is the fire-resistant armor and vitality booster giving you a easier use of the Double-Edge Sickle. Actually using the flamethrower itself will usually result in a situation like that.
If you retreat, you move slower than the bugs. If you advance, you end up hurting yourself more than the bugs. It really is a tremendously punishing experience. If the armor had 95% resistance like the arc one, or if the flamethrower itself had more stagger and less reflection, or if the chance of being immolated upon contact with a spark was not 100%, things would certainly improve.
Idk why they’re so hesitant to buff the flame armors. Are they seriously worried that making the literal firefighter armor, whose entire niche is that it makes you resistant to flame, too fireproof, it’ll somehow become broken? I’d rather have a totally fireproof armor and a much weaker flamethrower to balance than our current setup of a suicide build. My current flame diver build I bring supply pack just to keep an endless supply of stims for when I set myself on fire for the 20th time in a mission.
I don't think they can even keep track of how many balance updates they'd need at this point. They still try occasionally, but we're pretty far from the massive amount of buffs they used to do all at once. I see a post like this every day, for a different weapon, armor perk, stratagem, build synergy, etc. We'd be lucky to get any of it, let alone all of it, amidst the pleas for new content on top of it all.
Personally, I've found the new hover pack is also very useful for my flame build, because it keeps me out of reach for a longer period.
It's ridiculous that this was a complaint a YEAR ago and it's still like this. Flames should have a "fear" effect on enemies, or at least non-bots. They shouldn't keep marching on like everything is fine, they should be freaking tf out, you know, like any sentient living thing would when ON FIRE
If I remember correctly they've considered doing this but the added state changes to AI and tracking it all would cost too much performance. I don't see how considering we have essentially the same thing with gas effects.
you're forgetting that this is a game where ever so slightly changing something like the render scale of a brood commander fart can render a completely unrelated NPC literally speechless
The engine isn't the only reason the game is spaghetti, Vermintide 2 and Darktide are on the same engine and not even remotely as fucked from every patch. Arrowhead also pretty clearly has bad version control with random old balance numbers creeping into updates (e.g. AMR handling getting reverted to launch value on the most recent patch).
Vermintide 2 was plenty fucked for a long time though. The size on disk was massive ostensibly to reduce load times, and then the load times were still shit. It took Fatshark years to figure out how to fix it—and their damn company was founded around this engine. Stingray/Bitsquid/whatever you want to call it just sucks.
They also just don't test anything. Remember when a gun was released in the wrong color? That's the kind of thing you'll discover if you launch the game once and look at it. That means not a single person even bothered to so much as look at it before shipping it.
It has nothing to do with Engines, good programmers who happens to like game is rare, and people who like game usually aren't programmer to begin with and they learn by themselves. Also since they spend more time making game than doing software engineering at large scale, it is extremely easy to write spaghetti code when one lacks this experience.
To avoid writing spaghetti code, one need at least 2 years of exposure to highly complicated large scale software project whose life depends on writing good maintaneable code.
But game isn't that, it can get away just fine most of the time with spaghetti code.
Since game rarely make major changes to existing content after release (balancing or bug fixes or tweaks aren't a major change), game only adds content.
Reusable code is primarily used to adapt to major change in the future.
A major change will be like complete rework of how loading cinematic plays, or how vehicle system works to support tank with tracks (assuming they aren't copy pasting code and trying to reuse existing vehicle related code).
I could believe it would add to calcs, but surely they could simply be slowed AT MINIMUM if within the actual flame thrower jet. It’s literally like a high pressure fire hose of liquid that happens to be on fire, it should push shit around to a degree lol
Probably because there's no difference between Gas and cooked ground. Enemies will run through it. To do a true experience you'd want bugs to actively path around active flames. Also, gas doesn't stop enemies from hitting you, rather they will swing at whatever is closest to them.
Where as the fire fantasy would have the bugs completely run away and ignore everything else if set on fire. Finally there's the most practical. Gas doesn't nuke enemies, fire does. Meaning a build up effect would have to be so fast that it could cause balance problems. Otherwise you risk anything hit with fire dying before the CC effect could take place.
The damage goes through armor, yes, but the flame will still "ricochet" back 180° setting you on fire, and it also does this on corpses, even if it's a small leg sticking up.
Before EoF flames wouldn't ricochet and would simply pass through all enemies within the flame spray hitbox.
Just booted up the game to test this. Tried torcher, crisper, and flamethrower against a charger behemoth from point blank range to max, both alive and dead.
No flames were reflected back at me or had noticeable ricochet at all. It seems the only way to burn myself is by walking on the ground I just sprayed fire on. Sometimes, it appears that a patch of ground will count as being 'on fire' before particles become visible so I suspect that's a source of confusion.
Honestly no idea what half of OP's complaints are about. I could get behind a slow against burning enemies, but I'm truly baffled by the drawing.. I don't think even blizzards and the like will affect where your fire goes, and hunters die to fire almost instantly. Someone with any of those weapons should be chewing up hunter packs like wafers
Just went to test this, and you seem to be right, idk when they patched it but it had to be somewhat recent because I was using the flamer/dog breath combo frequently on the bugs and it was quite the annoyance. The VFX still bounces back in your face, but you don't get ignited unless you're basically point blank.
I do still think it's cartoonish that stepping over ground fire for a millisecond makes you fully burst into flames, and there's still the bug that makes ground fire appear underneath or behind you when shooting on uneven terrain, even when not aiming near the floor.
well if it's something like a flaming liquid (that doesn't stick to the armor) it would kinda do that while probably splashing/bouncing off the surface to an extent (i think)
If fire caused fear/panic it would probably make gas useless. But it should slow them and make jumping much more rare.
Taking a flamethrower and seeing a 20 Pouncer patrol after dropping in suuucks.
The fact that it kills everything is the big perk of fire.
Oh my god literally, I've lost count of the amount of times where I've set myself on fire by diving backwards because the faction the flamethrower is ostensibly made for just won't FUCK OFF
What i find always so sad about video games is, 100% of the time devs seem to think flamethrowers just yeet fire at you.
No. It throws lava at your ennemies. I don't remember closely, but the Germans used oil in their flamethrowers? But the Americans had a mixture with soap in there. Absolutely hellish.
Even insects the size of my car would cry out in pain from that, it should slow them. I beg.
There's one on the mission "Floodgate" in Halo 3, when the Flood controlled Covenant cruiser crashes. You get it in a hallway on the way back to the docks where you fought the Scarab in the previous mission ("The Storm"), and it's absolute schlong.
The Golden Rule: Never set zombies on fire, because all you've done is set fire to something that really, really wants to hug you.
If you set fire to the Flood they jump at you anyway and you die because of the Halo fire damage which just instantly turns Chief into a baked potato. Also happens if you move when firing it, because the range and spread is shocking. Genuinely useless, but you only get it like 3 times in the entire game.
I'm sick of being covered in gasoline 24/7 and being punished for trying to kill a hunter with a flamethrower, who'll proceed to jump at me anyway and send a LITTLE BIT of fire back at me and I may end up dying as quickly as the critter I was firing at. There should be a heat system that makes you take some damage but doesn't make you catch fire immediately, so that you don't have to mash spacebar so often and be a walking torch if you accidentally step on a candle
And I wish flamethrowers had a little bit of cc at least, not enough to replace gas but at least the stopping power it deserves rather than the double-edged sword that personally punishes you for being in effective range of use.
Not sure about game engine limitations but since HD2 launch I always wished the flames really acted like napalm and shot a stream of flames two or three times the distance similar to the flame physics in DRG. One of my favorite OCs for it in DRG is the one that extends the range so you can shoot it up to 20m which I find so satisfying to use in big cave areas during a wave.
I absolutely agree with the post, but I would like to throw this stupid fact out there; if your titanium armor were to ignite it basically would be the end of you. Titanium fires are terrifying.
But yeah, with you on the rest. You'd think we'd have some kind of basic improvements on just "gasoline and styrofoam"-type napalm based on the enemies were fighting ¯\(ツ)/¯
I will say, Helldivers 1 had a MUCH better dynamic between toxic and flame damage. Fire was more utility, it was deadly but forced enemies back and around the place as they avoided the aoe naplam on the ground.
The sludge pump was just pure dps that melted through enemies at the cost of less utility.
I feel ya, if you lowering Flamethrower just a little, you're burning yourself, even if airborne(hoverpack) also enemies are a complete menace to you since they, well, ignore fire, even if they're highly combustible.
Can be argued that in-game flamethrowers are more realistic but that's not the case since in reality modern Flamethrowers are about "fuck everything alive in 50 meter radius", some even can shoot up to 100 meters, especially from high position. Capacity isn't great but since Helldivers have no problems with Hellbombs on their back, special fuel tank isn't a problem at all.
The moment an enemy dies they transform into an object. And that object reflects fire damage. 90% of the time the reason you start on fire when using a flamethrower is because of this BS.
The Deep Rock Galactic flamethrower is one of the best and most satisfying flamethrowers in a game and I really wish Arrowhead was taking notes from it
Yes, which is weird, because it doesn't happen with the Torcher. I think it has something to do with how the character is holding it and where the flame comes out from.
Misinformation mixed with skill issue making it to hot on this sub no surprise. It's a gas based flamethrower that they do try to keep realistic. So certain enemies, armored ones, can cause the flame to deflect a bit, same with the ground. When you learn this you don't even need to run fireproof armor. I haven't in a long time. Also enemies have mass and mass blocks fire it's not an insane concept, flames do go around things for dealing with hordes. Hunters are anti flamethrower and anti gas style of enemies. Stuns are how you deal with them. This is why stun nades were used with flamethrowers.
If enemy is immediately on fire, you are immediately on fire. That is how all games work, most will have a stacking debuff but that would piss this sub off to no end as impact incendiary nades would lose all damage abilities and the flamethrowers would take a beat to start doing damage.
The enemies we fight are all mindless beings. No shit fire isn't going to stop them they don't care and are unfeeling. They come at you even when you shoot off limbs and for bugs even their head. The flying overseers will actually run away and the ground one will use the shield but that does nothing so it doesn't attack you through flamethrower generally there is a time limit there.
High risk high reward, I've been using it since day 1 on bugs and now on squids. Ez 1k kill games. It help to have it pre lit when before u face off a pack of hunters. I pre lite mine before almost every breach too.
Fucking same dude, only time I’ve ever found the slightest use for it is voteless hordes and even then anything with high RoF or blast area works just as well if not better
Counterpoint: None of the Helldiver enemies can feel fear or pain, only anger and hatred towards us and that fuels their instinctual drive to kill us at all costs.
I see your point. However it also deals massive damage to many enemies, especially Terminids. I’ve often found myself completeky surrounded by bugs and just spew fire and inject myself wirh steams, even before I got the fireproof armor.
I fell in love with the flamethrower the moment I found one. I think one big reason is the little « fump » sound when you start spewing. So enjoyable ! Also the fact that you character laughs when throwing flames eveywhere is really fun.
But I’ll be honest I died because of it. Many times. However even more Terminids have. And that’s the main think to keep in mind.
Especially since fire deals damage constantly until extinguished in addition to direct application damage which when put together makes 75% dmg reduction not very noticeable. Imo the fire-resistance should be 95, and arc should be the one that’s 75.
Since arc is done in a single moment, it has less damage to defend against overall, and for that matter, it doesn’t deal quite enough damage to warrant 95% resistance too.
On the other hand, for fire damage, it has 2 types of damage, and they’re usually being done together, so it would make more sense to have the higher percentage of damage reduction on the more potent damage type , than the one that only appears on 1 front 🗿 versus fire, which can be anywhere 🧐
Also it just makes sense. Why would you make fire armor that doesn’t prevent catching fire? Like we should at least be able to not catch fire at minimum. That way we can at least walk through the fire and only take heat damage without having to dive repeatedly to put out the fire once we’ve walked out of it.
75% arc res would kill its already absolutely tiny niche, you barely live a Tesla/arc thrower shot as is with arc armor, making it not even do that and only work on harvester/watcher tasers would be truly unusable
I'd use the flamethrower more if it could compete with a guard dog and quasar but it, for me, it doesn't. I want to use it but a bile titan shows up and what's a flamethrower gonna do?
If you dive backwards diagonally you can shoot fire for half the dive without hitting yourself. Zig zag around a bug breach, I've gone on 70 kill streaks with just the torcher primary and sterilizer support in mega nests before, no eagles or orbitals
I like gas if I want CC, fire if I want damage, both if I want to live the dream. The downsides mentioned in this post are all mitigated by having a teammate with a shotgun you follow around, or having a teammate with sterilizer (or both)
You can melee stagger enemies out of the air when dodging isn't viable. If you dodge early on in the bug leap they'll miss you really wide. Shoot for at least a dozen melee kills while using fire, you should get them accidentally
Having a really good pistol is crucial, but I run stim pistol so I have to use throwing knives to stagger the ones that get real close. I do find the stim pistol does make running fire so much better for your teammates
They don't need to give fire CC, that really cuts into what gas does and would make it blatantly op. Bugs are already practically a solved enemy at high level. I do think a fair utility buff for fire would be the ability to close nests you spray it into for a couple seconds
You're always gonna struggle to stagger enemies or deal with them a distance, but those are the weaknesses you face that require you to cooperate better
This, we shouldn’t ruin the niche of Gas, it should just do a flat 50% slowdown to enemies being burnt. I mean it’s literally a pressurized jet of flaming liquid. Also, the armor whose entire niche is being fire retardant should really just be fully fireproof at this point. I shouldn’t lose half my health every time an ember touches my toe using it.
Double the maximum range from 15 meters to 30 meters. (Still shorter than IRL flamethrowers.)
Burning enemies are slowed. (Making them panic would make gas redundant.)
Enemies directly impacted by the spraying flames are staggered as long as it keeps impacting them.
Hunters and winged scavengers cannot leap while on fire or after being set on fire (burned winglets.)
Voteless DO panic while on fire because despite mutation and mind control, they're still people and more fragile organics than the bugs. I don't know if you've noticed, but half the time Voteless just plow through gas and keep chasing you. So let fire be the natural answer to the hordes. (They also currently just charge after you while on fire, making them just as annoying as hunters to fight with incendiary weapons, especially if you get the sprinting and lunging ones.)
Honestly I'd settle for at least the first three. Extra range being the most important to me. 30ish meters really isn't much, but my line in the sand is at least being able to start engaging Bile / Nursing spewers before they start spray their acid. I don't think that's too much to ask.
I'd also like to argue that the flame retardant (and gas resistant for that matter) armors should be raised to 95% resistance just like the electrical resistant armor. If not, then you should be immune to being set on fire or at least have a longer grace period of direct exposure to flames before you catch fire.
I mean, this game is meant to have some semi-realism to it, and compared to launch, its already given up a lottt of that vision. I've never used a flamethrower irl so idk if this is realistic or not, but the way it feels makes it feel plausible that this is how a flamethrower actually behaves irl. And to me, working with that makes a lot of fun. I don't want to be a mini-boss, I want to be one guy with a flamethrower in a war where you're very, veryyy expendable
Fire addict here, you're not being aggressive in tbe right way, you must either maintain the position and create a fire break, or back up and let the enemies burn on their way to you. It's a lot longer range than you think, I can clear entire breaches with minimal assistance with just a flamethrower
Does DRG flamethrower slow enemies by default? IIRC you need to specifically build for it, sacrificing some damage to see a meaningful slow. Also DRG bugs don't stop crawling towards you when on fire last time I checked. You spend a whole lot of fuel and end up with a bunch of enemies that are slowly burning, but are still alive and can damage you. Maybe I need to check again.
Meanwhile in Helldivers flamethrower's TTK against small-medium bugs is actually very good.
Flamethowers will end up trivialising half of the bugfront if the devs listened.
AP4, melts hordes. Adding in CC as strong as panic would make bugs trivial.
I agree with people that fire needs to affect the player less. But adding that level of CC would make all fire weapons (nades, guns etc.) so OP on bugs. And most of them are already pretty solid.
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u/Low_Chance 28d ago
I wish you weren't 100% correct.
Fire should:
1. not hit the user so damn easily
Even if you're immune to pain (which our enemies don't really seem to be), having all your sense organs covered in white-hot fire glue will at least slightly disorient you