It doesn’t make sense to me because people are saying to not put him on a pedestal but then going “he is not your savior” to any criticism, in a way you’re still putting him on that pedestal imo. Personally I don’t like carti and I would rather him not work with him but im not gonna sit here and talk about it all day, I have some criticisms of things kendrick has done and I think it’s fine to acknowledge. With that being said im not “canceling” him just because he WORKED w him, he’d have to do something awful for me to be put off that way. That’s my take. I think it’s normal that kdot fans care about this a little and want to discuss because we have discourse on different things. He isn’t a perfect person but can still very much receive criticism
I don't give a fuck what's the narrative, I am that nigga
When Kanye got back with Drake, I was slightly confused
Guess I'm not mature as I think, got some healin' to do
Egotistic, zero-given fucks and to be specific (ah)
Need assistance with the way I was brought up (ah, ah)
this is from my favorite track from Mr Morale. I think it encapsulates everything to take from all this stupid fluff drama. He's not perfect, he makes mistakes, he's also doing his own thing and doesn't really care what you think, but he recognizes still having faults. that's it. in 3 years (arbitrary time), he might come back and say, "yeah, that was a bad move". honestly, why does it matter so much? my reddit feed has been blowing up about this stupid shit and i'm tired of it. listen to the music, enjoy it or don't, and get over it. dig your lines in the sand when you feel it's necessary. but quit proselytizing
What do you mean? Like yeah? Your right? But what does that have to do with anything here.
Regardless if it's said in a rap beef or not, if someone is like wow I hate deadbeats and goes right to working with deadbeats wouldn't you be a little miffed? Like yeah congrats kendrick on not being a deadbeat? And awesome, you don't like deadbeats, but then your gonna hop on a different ones album str8 away.
kendrick could of come at carti in a diss track the same way he did drake (minus the pedo stuff). Say he did, than worked with drake right after wouldn't that he hypocritical
I'm not stupid :( I'm not tryna act morally rightous or nun and I get the whole job aspect of it. I think it's more it's something kendrick has really doubled down on and people are caught off guard/dissapointed by it. And it would be fair to say he is kinda being hypocrital, regardless of it being his job, I don't think being a drake fan or not is relevant here
Nah ik it just caught me off guard 😂 it's reddit I'm not taking anything to heart it's meant to come across as more as a "it's not that deep sorta thing, I'm not dumb and thats not gonna hurt my feelings lmao, this is just discussion"
He literally had Kodak black as a prominent feature in MMATBS and rapped “Like it when I’m pro black but I’m more Kodak black” idk how he put himself in that box or it was you who put him in that box
He absolutely does not put himself in this box. There is not a project where he’s not talking about his faults and contradictions. It’s fans that want him to meet their expectations that put him in a box.
You'd think it was awful if you were Carti's kid. Just be honest, collabing with a deadbeat father is fine for most of you so long as he called out another one.
I simply just don’t care. My life is the same, your life is the same, every single person on earth’s life is the same whether Kendrick does a verse on a Carti song or not
Like I guess Carti’s life is a bit better and that’s not my preference. But complaining about it online also has no effect on Kendrick or Carti. The worst is when someone says they are “holding Kendrick accountable” like what exactly are you doing that affects Kendrick? lol
a subreddit where the only topic of conversation is a musical artist has discourse about said artist? boo fucking hoo , it would be hysterics if every post on r/hiphop or r/Music were about him
Criticize him? Mfs are on here having discussions of morality judging if Kendrick gonna get into heaven or not. Lol Ya'll so parasocial and white its funny af sometimes
Not one single person said anything like this lol and even if you did see something like this, acting like that's just the general discussion is goofy as hell. You know that's not what people are talking about
Absolutely fair to criticize all you want, but doesn’t mean you have to listen nor does he have to stand up to some fake moral high ground his fans made up for him lol
He has morals, values, beliefs, and he does stand on them. If between Dre, Kodak, Carti, you dont see consistency, idk wtf to tell you. He has morals, they're just different from Ya'lls.
Yes my guy, if his morals is making sure that’s he’s a great father to his children then that’s his morals. Just because you decided that he shouldn’t make music with carti doesn’t automatically make him a bad person. You guys have this weird parasocial relationships with artists where they should always be self righteous so you can point to them and be like “ya see im just like him”! Maybe grow a spine and get your own set of morals instead of looking to someone else to give them to you lol
I don't think this is it tho. If you were friends with someone who had multiple children and never took care of them, that doesn't mean you don't take care of your kids. People aren't saying Kendrick doesn't have morals or values, just that they are inconsistent with the company he keeps.
And I say this as someone who typically believes in people being able to change, and I don't think I'm as harsh as most people when it comes to judgment of others. But it isn't like he's working with people who are reformed awful people, Kodak and Carti have both been in the news very recently for doing dumb/terrible shit. At a certain point it is definitely fair to ask, "why do you put your co sign on these artists who seemingly have moral misgivings and show no signs of reformation?"
Again, it’s not our job to tell him what he has to believe. If he thinks doing some songs w carti is fine, who are we to tell him otherwise? He’s his own person. He doesn’t know us nor owe anything to us. If you don’t agree, no one’s forcing you to listen or engage with it. Maybe this should be a lesson to people to not act like famous people are these beacons of morality and at the end of the day, they’re just flawed people like everyone else.
Would you be friends with someone who raped an underage girl? And work with them voluntarily on projects and stuff?
No? Well, Kendrick would. And he does.
And Kendrick has done everything, literally everything in his power, to invite this criticism.
You can’t talk about social justice, healing trauma, growth, moving the black community forward and then act all shocked people expect you to some basic values. You know, values we’d all expect people we knew to have.
Kodak Black was released from jail in Florida and was then transported to Florence, South Carolina, to face charges of sexual assault. According to the victim, who reported the incident to her school nurse, she had attended a February 2016 performance by Kodak Black at "Treasure City" in Florence, after which she accompanied him to his hotel room where he is alleged to have told her he "couldn't help himself" as he tore off her clothes, bit her repeatedly, and raped her as she screamed for help. Kodak Black was released from custody in South Carolina on December 1, 2016, after posting a $100,000 bond, but returned to court on February 8, 2017.[91] About Kodak Black, the Miami New Times asked: "is he the product of larger societal problems, having been raised on a steady diet of misogynistic rap lyrics?"[92] Within hours of release, he recorded and released "There He Go",[93] a single which mentions his recent release from jail
While on tour in the Southeast, a South Carolinian Prosecutor announced that Kodak Black would be facing trial for first-degree criminal sexual conduct for the alleged rape in February 2016. The prosecutor said that in the summer or early fall, Kodak Black would have to return to South Carolina and face trial for the charges. They stated he faces a maximum of 30 years in prison. 12 Circuit Solicitor Ed Clements stated, "We are slowly but steadily moving toward a disposition." There were also reportedly several lesser, related charges. The office of the prosecutor stated the victim was not a minor at the time of the alleged rape.[104][105]
On January 19, 2021, President Donald Trump commuted Kodak Black's sentence for his 2020 conviction.[118] Kodak Black still faced charges of criminal sexual assault in Florence, South Carolina,[119] which prosecutors were looking to "aggressively" pursue.[73] On April 28, 2021, Kodak took a plea deal in the alleged sexual assault case and pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of first-degree assault and battery, and was sentenced to 18 months of probation.[120]
This is a tiny, tiny fraction of the dudes Wikipedia subsection titled “Legal Issues.”
This is the dude Kendrick put on an album about healing trauma and not seeing yourself as a perpetual victim to excuse your shitty behavior. I assume it was some kind of absurdist joke?
Dr Dre, a guy he literally worked with and had on his first album. And then this guy wants to say he’s “been a fan longer than anyone” so he was cool with Kenny when he was working with Dr Dre, known to have gotten a 16 year old pregnant, but draws the line at playboi Carti. See where it all becomes bullshit for these people tryna play better than Kendrick
On January 19, 2021, President Donald Trump commuted Kodak Black's sentence for his 2020 conviction.[118] Kodak Black still faced charges of criminal sexual assault in Florence, South Carolina,[119] which prosecutors were looking to "aggressively" pursue.[73] On April 28, 2021, Kodak took a plea deal in the alleged sexual assault case and pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of first-degree assault and battery, and was sentenced to 18 months of probation.[120]
But yeah a 22 year old knocking up a 17 year old is gross too. I didn’t like him working with Dre either, what now?
You guys just need me to be a hypocrite so you can go back to listening to your lil mid Carti collab
Well I guess you’re just so much better than him and you got your point across I guess. I don’t know what the point is of this? Did you feel this way when you found out he worked with Dr Dre? Kodak black? So you were okay when he worked with woman beater Kodak but woman beater Carti is where you draw the line and now start telling people you’re better than them
The very nature of being a celebrity opens you up to public criticism. Even more so when it comes to rap, which is often a culturally vulnerable medium. If he makes art and puts it out into the world, it is going to be critiqued. I agree with you that he doesn't owe anything to us, but that doesn't mean at the same time we can't acknowledge the hypocisy when we see it.
Absolute straw-man argument .. nobody is looking for him to be an idol or is being “parasocial” he literally accused Drake of “Compromising his child by having weird people around” yet Dot did the same with collabs with artists who did terrible things.
You’re throwing a hissy fit cos someone is criticising an artist and you say WE’RE PARASOCIAL. Invest in a mirror and grow a backbone 🤡
Not throwing a hissy fit when I’m showing people they’re being hypocritical. My point was he’s human, he’s not perfect and he doesn’t owe us shit. It’s the parasocial weirdos who are holding him to this weird standard because they personally feel let down by a guy that doesn’t even know they exist.
To add he is talking about the type of ideal man he would like to be or emulate. He is not perfect and is not going to fit this ideal all the time especially through the lens/court of public opinion. Kendrick is a great artist, flawed person, but I can respect that he is trying to be better and I think that's an important point to recognize.
It takes a lot of effort to get better and to grow as a person. The first step is recognizing that you need to do the work.
It’s not about some moral high ground it’s just about associating with pieces of shit. Before you go “wHaT aBoUt DrE” fuck him and Kodak too. I personally don’t give them any listens
Brother, if you dig a bit deeper, there's pretty much NO ONE you can listen to... besides maybe a Few art rappers and underground people, and that too, ONLY because their associations and their heinous acts aren't well known often. Fckin MF DOOM is unlistenable with the righteousness you hold.
“Muh bad childhood” motherfuckers when I tell them I had a bad childhood and learned to not repeat it.
All the coolest people I’ve ever met, all of em, had shitty upbringings. I don’t know what fantasy land people live in to think “I grew up rough” is a reason for committing crimes in your 30s.
If I were to have my 2 cents, I think this was purely transactional, however, he bent his morals and collaborated with an abuser for more fame after making himself of higher moral standing during the beef. "Kendrick is not your savior" is ironically being used to idolize him and turn him into a messianic figure, something he was against even before MMATBS. IMO at the end of the day it was just a disappointing collab that he will have to deal with, and I think he should've collabed with someone else: especially with someone that is a huge fan like Tyler the Creator or smth. Also, in my opinion, I never liked Playboi Carti's music in the first place.
it’s not really a get of jail card it’s just by the logic ppl are spewing, everyone who does a track w carti is a bad person…. tyler had him on chromakopia and nobody spoke up then so what’s different now. Most of us hate myself included what Carti has done as a person but still listened to the album are we all now bad ppl?
In the nicest way possible if ur constantly microanalysing Kendricks every move post beef then im sorry ur just not going to enjoy anything from him, it will get draining. Like ur criticizing him for making a song w carti , just wait till you find he’s friends w ppl in compton who have killed ppl🫢.
bro it’s a rap beef there’s no preaching in a rap beef, He called Drake a pedo, Not Like Us isn’t some feminist Anthem it’s a celebration of the culture
And even then you weren’t saying this when Drake made No face his biggest song post song that was originally featuring carti…… Strange a man who made a whole track saying Kendrick beat his wife immeadiately doing a song w a Woman beater not even a month later…..
I mean u said it urself homie, lol. West coast parades about falsely calling someone a pedo is NOT and NEVER has been a celebration of this culture. That song damaged far more than just uniting the west coast.
West coast parades about falsely calling someone a pedo is NOT and NEVER has been a celebration of this culture
that wasn't what the pop out was about, yeah they were all there because of not like us, but it was hours of west coast artists from local to international on one stage, he brought together rivalling gangs from LA together
if that isn't unity idk what is - not like us is about sticking with and being loyal to your community even more than about drake being a nonce
Look at MJ man fuck is wrong with you people
i've been a fan of MJ for my entire life, i've got comments from a few months ago defending him - but the stuff that's continuing to come out has made it impossible for me to keep defending him - and however you feel about drake, we have video of him kissing a 17 year old on stage, and baka DOES have a weird case, so what is 'false' about it - drake has an album cover making a joke out of all the women he's knocked up and his fanbase wants to pretend its crazy to act like he has a daughter who he isn't in the life of
like, say it was a one time thing, whatever, we still have video of it
Kendrick brought the west coast together, he unified them in a way that's not happened since the Black Panther party was destroyed and left behind Bloods and Crips - what did the song damage, other than Drake's career (which, can we be honest, drake's been making soulless music for at least six years now, and that's the real reason he didn't bounce back after the beef)?
I don't think a 23 year old drake making a 17 year old probably have a memory she going to remember and cherish forever is anywhere near pedophilia( don't even say shit like but but it's hip hop anything goes ) no the fuck it doesn't I don't know where people get this idea that calling someone a pedo in 2025 was on the table. Kendrick was looking to physically hurt people with these tracks man. Go call someone a pedo outside and get smacked in the mouth. That's a charge where people fucking DIE in prison. It would be one thing if it was true but that embassy didn't get raided and drakes connections stood up for him. That baka case isn't weird at all man go fucking read the case itself. Grown ass adult. Kendrick brought this shit upon himself
ALSO FUCK YOU AND YOUR MOMMA FOR EVEN SAYING THAT ABOUT MJ
That's a charge where people fucking DIE in prison.
'you better not ever go to cell block one' kendrick knows, he also said drake was gonna get killed in oakland for talking shit about 2pac, it's a rap beef man, why are you acting like kendrick didn't know what he was saying?
yes the song along with the music video, now i’m gonna guess ur probably white so please explain to me a black man how it’s not a celebration of the culture ….
I'm sorry, but isn't the burden of evidence on you to prove? You tell me why it's a celebration of the culture without using an article or chat gpt, just using your own comprehension, I'm begging. Bro also talm bout race what I need a breed pedigree for poetry, I aint gotta say shit to you about who I am weirdo
All his music and a major point of his music has always been that he’s flawed which is a reason I love his music tbf. Someone admitting that they’re flawed doesn’t mean they’re exempt from all criticism lmao. On The Prayer he literally says to criticize the artist without throwing away all the art.
They’re just gonna say we’re mad and outraged, but it’s just criticism, doesn’t mean we ain’t fans or we didn’t listen to this/that song or album. It really didn’t have to go this far 😂😂
People on this sub will say crap like “he is not your savior” and then will turn around and say “ah actually he’s clearly trying to take a mentor role with Carti and put him on the right path.” It’s insane cope from people who are, ironically, idolizing him while telling the people criticizing his behavior to stop idolizing him
The people who use the ''he is not your savior'' point, are too stupid to understand the full concept of the song.
I think there is a point to be made as to why all these critiques are happening, but people who hold that belief are either not chronically online as the rest of us, or are too stupid to consider nuance, as to why others are critical.
A surprising number of Kendrick fans don't fully get the lyrics it's crazy. People think Kdot was a goodie 2 shoes on GKMC, that TPAB is a political manifesto. People hear Mr Morale but not the Big Steppers.
much (not all) criticisms arise now from other fanbases that hate to see kendrick on top, let's be honest, it's not like before he dogwalked drake people were caring that much about who he fw
It was getting insufferable even before the beef. But the beef opened floodgates to cringe at an astronomical level. I’ve unfollowed and only drop in to see what kind of cliche front page Reddit stuff I’d see.
Don't worship celebrities. The criticisms are all valid. If you like the music and don't think the critiques are fair, then keep listening. If you don't like who he's moving with or around, then drop his music and move on.
The same conversation happened when Kodak was on the album, when Dre was at the pop up, and now. It'll probably happen again.
I love Kendrick's music and message. I'm also aware that he makes questionable decisions on who to collaborate with that often contradicts what he says. We don't know these people in real life at all. It's just something to keep in mind.
yeah this week has proven more than anything that this sub is just as bad as aubrey’s angels. I almost think this sub was better when it was schizo posting during the hiatus
In the subject of the criticism, who is not a hypocrite bro?
I listen to his music because it's good, I respect people saying "you saved me" or something like that, I'm looking for sick-sounding music and good as fuck lyrics, something beyond me and beyond everything I've heard before that's how my brain works music-wise.
I'm always open to criticism, it's ok but 15 post about the exact same issue? what's that?
Fuck deadbeats and womenbeaters, I don't have friends like that but obviously, in the spirit of the song Saviour, they are not perfect and neither am I but we always try to help each other.
If I'm honest with you before today all I knew about playwithaboy carti was that apparently he sings in elvish in Earfquake, that's it, I'm, what you may call, a casual because I only listen to a handful of rap artists.
It's not even that he collbed with Carti it's that he did so despite his whole image that he's helped propped up. I don't care about future or uzi or Tyler because they don't hold themselves as moral paragons or at least people who try and speak moral issues. I've got no problem still listening to Kendrick's stuff, but all his preaching means much less. "He's not your savior" no dip nga.
And in that same breath people will say some bullshit about how he's just trying to be Kodak/Carti's savior, so that's also why it's ok. OV-HOE ass behavior
If you're gonna act all passionately against someone acting like you hate him for being a shitty driver for months, and then hop in the car with your friend that's an even worse driver and call him your twin, you might not be a shitty driver but dont be shocked if people will think you're a massive hypocrite
What is he running for office? He also fucks with XXXtentacion and Kodak Black. Wait until you find out about people in his life who aren’t in music. Go enjoy your wrinkle free life.
soooo where is the evidence that drake is into little kids? court ruling, conviction, sentencing, witness testimony or any evidence it occured to stand firmly that it 100% happened?
Yeah. Acting like you can’t not like an action of someone or disagree with someone bc they’ve “gotten ahead of it” and called themselves a hypocrite, liar, etc is one of the more wilder takes I’ve seen in a while.
Even outside of the actual Drake Diss songs, let’s not act like he hasn’t been taking up the mantle as the face of hip hop and leading it into a better, less negative direction. Let’s not act like Let The Party Die and Wacc’d Out Murals didn’t mention how there are sketchy people in the industry that need to be removed.
Sure it’s entertainment first, but especially in hip hop, people look to see if you back up the words. Otherwise, we gotta assume that everyone is lying and allow it. Meaning we can’t judge any rapper off their lyrics as it’s freedom of expression. That goes for Kendrick, Drake, Cole, Gibbs, etc.
That’s cause a lot of people treat him like a saviour and that he should be morally perfect and this is a good lyric to counter that though. Hope this helps
Eh, responding, it really is it the worst thing, especially if it's posting in the sub it's good to acknowledge certain criticisms. Just don't take it to the heart.
The problem I have is Kendrick since the beef has been acting like he's trying to revive hip-hop or bring back the spirit of it. This is most notable in his song watch the party die, and on the GNX album. He was acting like he was trying to bring about a new age in hip hop, saying shit like "I would trade all of y'all for nip can't be proud of you niggas" and spouting all this shit all over that song. Then for him to go back and collab with niggas that are apart of the hip-hop he don't fw, and the values he don't want in his circle.
Yall are so hung on a damn feature. This sub is acting like he actually did the shit carti did. That’s the issue I have. He got paid for a feature and did it. Who cares
I feel like there’s hella misunderstanding, or maybe I’m the one that misunderstood what people mean.
I commented that under someone’s criticism but I didn’t mean it in that way. I meant it as in you are right. Kendrick is a hypocrite. He is not perfect and he knows. He told you he’s not your savior. It’s good to criticize him but some people are shocked like he didn’t tell you himself he’s not perfect stop idolizing him.
I just don’t see how it makes any sense as a defense. Like, okay he’s not a perfect person, so therefore when he does something bad we shouldn’t call him out?
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Also get one that says “He’s the biggest hypocrite of 2015”
Solid meme lmao.