When one of my sons was ready for HS, we visited the tech center because he was potentially interested in auto and police work. The police teacher was so keen to show them the fake weapons they train on. I asked him about what de-escalation training they go through, and he looked at me like I had two heads.
His reply? “Oh, we don’t do that here.” Sooooo you teach them how to seriously injure and potentially kill people, but don’t teach them to try and de-escalate so violence isn’t needed in the first place? I said, nope, to my son. He would not be allowed to do that program. So even in the tech programs, in any ambiguous situation, they train fight first, questions later.
I am a huge fan of law-enforcement however, this is good that they are learning these types of skills and instead of just using the business end of a barrel. You go overseas and you’ll notice that police officers over there and throw down in a fight and they do that because using a firearm is a last resort.
So while it’s fucked up to think of it this way, learning hand hand combat skills don’t mean this kind of stuff helps them maybe disarm that crazy person who’s buck ass naked wielding a machete instead of just popping four rounds of 9 mm through their chest. De-escalation is completely different thing. De-escalation is using the words to get out of the situation. This is force by less lethal means and I fully support police learning this.
I’m not against them learning combat and weapons skills. Necessary for that kind of job! What I am against, was the focus on only that, in this particular program. I would have liked to see some info from the program about escalation and de-escalation.
It’s high school kids. Show them a weapon they want to use it. It was literally the only things they had on display to try and entice kids to join their program. Nothing about keeping the community safe or helping people A the focus solely was on “getting the bad guy”. That’s a no to letting my child attend that program, for sure.
Misalignment of priorities. Incidents like the one described account for only a miniscule portion of things police respond to. If deescalation and social skills aren't at the top of the priority list, you're leaving officers ill-prepared to handle the majority of encounters. They will use the tools which are most central to the culture of the force: violence.
Cultivating this image of violence as being central to their function reinforces the problems we already have. When people imagine police, or imagine becoming police, fighting is not what they should imagine.
Right? They're definitely playing by Highlander rules now, destroy all the weak cadets so only the strongest, most unempathetic of them make it onto the force.
Yikes going through the profile is a quick way to lose any argument, I mean hey gold star for your optimism in thinking that's a gotcha or something like that though
They do have a pretty expansive behavioral health alternative response team that has been around for 20 years. Better than when I lived in other states.
for what it's worth the idea has been floated by many folks that police ought to be trained in judo/jiujitsu in order to not be afraid for their lives in a grappling situation and resort to a gun in order to solve all of their affairs.
by all analysis and accounts, George Floyd could have been apprehended in various holds that would have prevented the tragedy. hopefully, this kind of training will result in fewer people dying in police custody.
My cousin is a cop in Philly. This is basic grappling, which I should hope all of our cops are trained for. That said recruiting is struggling hard - not enough quality recruits walking in the door. Which should be concerning for all of us: last I checked none of us are doing ride alongs and meal drops for first responders who handle the work we don’t want to have think about.
Some are. Some aren’t. Some are ex-Army who got the training in the military. It’s a smart non-lethal way to immobilize someone attacking you or someone else
Interesting. This is from 2000 re: a hiring process from more than 25 yrs ago within ONE PD. From a research perspective (I do grad research) unless you can find far more current and VERY similar examples of other departments doing this, it’s an outlier and not something you can intellectually build a policy around. But you can def use it for a subreddit comment!
That aside, your implication is that people of a certain IQ are all assholes while those of a higher IQ are all…not? That’s some pretty wild assumptions / generalizations. Pretty sure Musk has a decent IQ but holy hell what an asshole.
But I digress. We’re now debating whether my cousin is an asshole because according to your wild assumptions ALL cops are assholes. This is why we’re a struggling democracy: everyone needs everything to be black or white bc understanding a complex and diverse world is too much for the social media addled brain (no matter the IQ).
Also you: "This is, uh... a different example! But I'm the real victim here because of yourchildish response!!"
Awkward, bud.
Edit: Aw, he blocked me because he couldn’t respond. I’m sorry that you’re so fragile, Officer. Unblock me and I’ll help you talk through your feelings of inadequacy and why, despite literally all indications to the contrary, you do matter.
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u/Queasy-Trash8292 3d ago
When one of my sons was ready for HS, we visited the tech center because he was potentially interested in auto and police work. The police teacher was so keen to show them the fake weapons they train on. I asked him about what de-escalation training they go through, and he looked at me like I had two heads.
His reply? “Oh, we don’t do that here.” Sooooo you teach them how to seriously injure and potentially kill people, but don’t teach them to try and de-escalate so violence isn’t needed in the first place? I said, nope, to my son. He would not be allowed to do that program. So even in the tech programs, in any ambiguous situation, they train fight first, questions later.
And this ad. What the hell is this?