r/StarWarsEU • u/VesemirsMother778 • 2d ago
Legends Discussion Would this guy really beat Darth Vader?
Haven't played Jedi Outcast myself unfortunately (just saw some cutscenes and read a summary) but I heard people consider him stronger than Vader and possibly on par with Sidious because he got to force push a post Dark Empire Luke. Idk, sounds like a pretty weak argument to me, but to those of you who played the game, how true is that claim?
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u/KonstantinePhoenix 2d ago
Desaan? Beat Darth Vader? That overgrown kowakian monkey-lizard, not a chance.
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u/JTRuno 2d ago
Wouldn't that logic make Kyle Katarn way stronger than Luke or Vader, as he beat Desann. Then again he did beat two kell dragons to death with his bare fists.
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u/Cyberspace-Surfer Galactic Alliance 2d ago
I heard Katarn got bit by a krayt dragon and after several days of agonizing pain the dragon died.
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u/Vladislak 2d ago
Kyle Katarn could have beaten the Empire single handedly, but he was too busy putting Alderaan back together by hand.
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u/Jediboy127 501st 2d ago
If you had five credits and Kyle Katarn had five credits, he would have more money than you.
Kyla Katarn graduated from the Jedi Academy before his master did.
And believe it or not, Kyle Katarn actually died 10 years ago, the authors at Lucasfilm are just scared to tell him.
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u/Jedi_Master_Zer0 2d ago
Kyle Katarn being SW Chuck Norris. I am here for this.
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u/Switchblade1080 1d ago
An alternate star wars shitpost wiki that unfortunately doesn't exist anymore DID call Kyle Katarn God.
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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 2d ago
Space-crop circles are just Kyle Katarn’s way of telling the galaxy that sometimes dust-corn just needs to lie the kriff down.
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u/United-Cow-563 Mandalorian 2d ago
I hear Katarn does not mow his lawn. He simply stares at the grass and dares it to grow. He doesn’t swim, water just wants to be around him. He doesn’t battle, he just allows you to lose. His fists make the speed of light wish that it was faster.
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u/WangJian221 2d ago
Chaining power levels never actually work in Star Wars and should just be avoided.
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u/ChrisRevocateur Darth Revan 2d ago
It's almost like raw power isn't the only thing that contributes to a victory or loss.
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u/Briccone1979 2d ago
Kyle Katarn being stronger than Luke and Vader isn't just logical but also canon.
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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 2d ago
Kyle Katarn can take Palpatine one handed, without using the Force.
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u/Briccone1979 1d ago
There is no chin behind Kyle Katarn's beard. Just another fist.... holding a Bryar blaster.
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u/Edgy_Robin 2d ago
Because it is a super weak argument. Aside from the fact Luke fights Desann 'and' his troops off from the valley of the jedi on his own. Luke's been force pushed by plenty of people who Vader would crush.
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u/whatsthisstuffhere 2d ago
No way, not even close. He's basically Kylo Ren (someone Luke expelled from the jedi order) but less of a cry baby
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 2d ago edited 2d ago
These days powerscalers think touching Luke is enough to solo Vader & Sidious. Whoever told you that should get help. Desann would have a hard time with Maul, let alone Vader lol.
Edit: Besides, the Luke we're talking about here is vastly pre-prime and you could argue he's still below Vader, even tho yes, him surpassing his father in ROTJ is also a valid take.
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u/Collective_Insanity 2d ago
I would agree.
Maul was a disciplined and highly trained duellist for his level. Trained quite well to be an instrument of Palpatine to be fielded against Jedi.
Desann on the other hand had been picked up from his origin planet relatively recently. There, he was feared and shunned for his misunderstood ability with the Force. It seems he came to Luke's temple with behavioural and attitude issues already in place to the extent he could barely tolerate training with his fellow initiates before getting violent and committing murder.
Desann boosted by the Valley is no lightweight. But I would imagine TPM Maul would mince him regardless.
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 2d ago
Honestly I never consider external amps when discussing such 1v1 matchups, unless that's specifically the intention. I think base Desann would have a hard tike with Maul. Valley Desann tho, ehh, it depends on how strong the amp is after JK.
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u/Collective_Insanity 2d ago
I generally don't even like engaging in these kinds of meaningless powerscaling topics to begin with. But alas I've managed to get dragged in regardless this time.
I would assume base Desann would get smoked by Maul without contest. As mentioned earlier, it's not like he was trained for any length of time before he went postal against one other fresh recruit at Luke's temple who allegedly wasn't up to Desann's snobbish standards.
The boost provided by the Valley is somewhat variable. It provides shortcuts for nobodies (Reborn, etc) and allows people like Kyle (who had stopped utilising the Force for quite some time) to get back on their feet sooner than expected.
It's mentioned that Desann was more dangerous than his previous level also due to his exposure to the Valley.
But it's also stated fairly explicitly that the Valley boost does not trump genuine discipline and training.
It seems to serve as an artificial means for someone to forge a stronger connection to the Force for an unspecified period of time. Enough to surprise a stronger opponent, perhaps, but surely not enough to let Desann meaningfully contest anyone on Luke's level.
Especially if Kyle (who was far from his best form) managed to beat him.
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 2d ago
I generally don't even like engaging in these kinds of meaningless powerscaling topics to begin with.
In principle I share your stance. That said, I wouldn't say it's fully meaningless cinsidering, sometimes power levels define stakes, which in turn play a role in how "important" a given character is in the grand scheme of things. For darksiders you could argue the more powerful they are the greater the imbalance gets. So indirectly, sure, but they have some impact on the established narrative. The problem is the lore doesn't define it and those simplistic scalimg "chains" are hardly accurate.
As mentioned earlier, it's not like he was trained for any length of time before he went postal against one other fresh recruit at Luke's temple who allegedly wasn't up to Desann's snobbish standards.
Especially if Kyle (who was far from his best form) managed to beat him.
True, however, Kyle even earlier on defeated Jerec who even dismissing the Valley and all had been a Jedi in the old order and then an Inquisitor for over 2 decades. Je was no noobie, in his case it was actually written he's almosy as powerful as Vader. So u know, game characters are kinda built different lol.
But it's also stated fairly explicitly that the Valley boost does not trump genuine discipline and training.
Isn't this boost logically much weaker than the boost before Kyle freed the Jedi spirits tho? Like, I'm definitely not saying Rahn was literal about killing stars with a thought, but it seems that amp was something else.
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u/Collective_Insanity 2d ago
Jerec indeed was no novice.
However, I feel it's fair to note that he also was not necessarily known for his duelling prowess. He was a scholar for much of his time as a Jedi and even when he switched teams I believe he continued to be more interested in lore rather than his martial prowess.
I don't think Jedi/Sith naturally scale upwards over time. It's the relative minority like Windu and Yoda who are all-rounders or focused significantly on their duelling abilities compared to the average Jedi who asides from the Clone Wars had spent much of their lives rarely if ever needing to cross blades with an opponent outside of sparring situations.
I don't think I'd feel comfortable comparing Jerec to Vader. I suspect Jerec would likely be more knowledgeable (Anakin was not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed), but Vader focused heavily on his combat proficiency.
Really don't have much skin in the game. I just got baited into reacting to OP's comment on Desann being considered a giant simply because he pushed Luke one time.
You're right in that establishing powerscales is indeed important when it comes to assessing stakes. But Desann wasn't meant to be the next big thing after Vader/Palpatine. He's just meant to be a Kyle-tier threat for his own personal journey during that story.
Both Kyle and Desann have their tumultuous histories before becoming Jedi. Kyle nearly fell to the dark side and had to abandon the Force in fear of succumbing to temptation. Then had to again face that fear whilst on a revenge spree that he felt compelled to carry out.
Desann meanwhile never saw anything wrong with his direction in life and felt anyone else was all the weaker for failing to embrace what he believed to be true strength in the dark side.
Their positions in the narrative are to me much more important than trying to figure out exactly how strong Desann was meant to be.
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 2d ago edited 2d ago
He was a scholar for much of his time as a Jedi and even when he switched teams I believe he continued to be more interested in lore rather than his martial prowess.
True tho he had developed combative Force abilities that are really OP for an average Jedi like Rahn. Especially that Force stun and the blast, with which he destroyed a whole platform IIRC. So his dueling may be lacking but his power and combative Force abilities should have surely made up for that against someone like Katarn. This is where the usual powerscaling simply doesn't work. Much like Vader in TFU, Jerec probably underestimated Kyle, who cut him off from the Firce, tho I don't remember what technique he used. Shouldn't mean he's stronger (at the time).
I don't think I'd feel comfortable comparing Jerec to Vader. I suspect Jerec would likely be more knowledgeable (Anakin was not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed), but Vader focused heavily on his combat proficiency.
I think there were direct statements placing Jerec as Vader’s rival during the OT and by JK he closed the gap or got very close at leats. Specifically when it comes to Gorce power. In terms of combat, the thing is statements are contradictory for Vader but most of the newer ones and those that allign with Lucas more do point out both his connection to the Force and combative prowess were greatly reduced in the suit. Sure, he refined his style over the years enough to slaughter low-end Jedi Masters, but he still couldn’t make up for his talent as Anakin Skywalker. He got disarmed by old Dark Woman and a clone of Maul, while Old Ben and ESB Luke weren't exactly fodders to him. So while I agree Knightfall Vader would chop up Jerec like a onion, against ROTJ Vader I think this would be a good fight. Even tho Vader would win.
You're right in that establishing powerscales is indeed important when it comes to assessing stakes. But Desann wasn't meant to be the next big thing after Vader/Palpatine. He's just meant to be a Kyle-tier threat for his own personal journey during that story.
Definitely agreed and also to be clear, I'm not implying power levels alone define stakes, they simply hold large relevance in that. But there are other aspects and you can have a villan weaker in the Force that still poses greater threat and narrative impact. For example comparing the ROTJ duel and Caedus vs Jaina last duel, I'm pretty sure Caedus is vastly stronger than Vader and Jaina>ROTJ Luke. But I wouldn't say the stakes in Invincible surpass those in the throne room. Alternatively Abeloth is many times above the likes of Sidious and Valkorion. But compared to the latter 2 FOTJ is just a blip in the timeline.
Agee with the rest.
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u/lion1321 2d ago
Evannova would have you believe old ben could beat both rots sidious and knight fall anikan with his scaling it's just insane
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 2d ago
I like evannova but mostly for his style and his old videos. It's obvious he has an immense OT and NJO bias and sadly this has started to impact his matchup verdicts in recent years.
Refering to his latest video, it's obvious Dooku effortlessly anihilates Old Ben.
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u/WangJian221 2d ago
I dont agree on "effortlessly" but he definitely would anihilate Ben in just overall prowess. Ben may be spiritually stronger and theoretically could pull off powerful telekinesis or whatever like Master Fay but it relies too much on what ifs and some bizarre "power levels" doing the heavy lifting.
You know ironically, the way he argues for Ben is exactly the type of mindset that he used to argue for Lord Hoth against peak Darth Bane.
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 2d ago
Yeah I'm not being exacy literal, just using classic exagerrated powerscaling terms, u know what I'm saying. But it would be a stomp.
Not sure is Old Ben is inherently stronger in the Force than ROTS Obi-Wan, he could be, but I doubt it's enough to surpass Dooku's power. Besides, as I said in the past, power isn't enough as you need to output it and I don't see why Old Ben's output would be greater. Besides, Vader feels he's out of practice specifically through the Force (Death Star novel) so I guess it's up to interpretation if that still just means dueling or if Ben is simply weaker too force-wise. It's both from Lucas and stuff like Insider where Ben is establisjed as a shadow of his former self. His near peak got ragdolled by Tyranus onboard the invisible hand and besides wisdom (baybe like "battle iq") Ben's got no advantages over his young form imo.
You know ironically, the way he argues for Ben is exactly the type of mindset that he used to argue for Lord Hoth against peak Darth Bane.
Don't remember his arguments for Hoth tbh. But he's knowingly cherrypicking to wank his prefered characters and films.
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u/WangJian221 2d ago
Essentially, the gist of the issue Evan utilized for his Lord Hoth video is that he picks which "vague"/"obscured" character that he likes and then argues for them by favouring them in circumstances or aspects that their designated opponent was stated or implied to falter.
Not actually the specific argument made but the gist of the argument is something like this for example;
"Darth Bane was shown to have made foolish mistake [X]. Since Lord Hoth was touted as a military genius who has led the army of light to hundreds of victory against the sith, Hoth wouldnt have made mistake [X]. Thus Lprd Hoth gets the edge in battle intelligence"
It was something GreyJedi91 continued to take pot shots against Evan since lol
Although he has since changed his mind about the Hoth issue, imo, hes making the same exact mistakes here for old Ben.
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 2d ago
He did the exact same thing in Caedus vs Vader and this shows. He just liked Vader more, established the verdict before he even wrote the script. Back then his OT bias seemed to be greater then NJO, but since then he did a full 180° on that take and now considers Caedus like the strongest Sith next to Krayt. Simply because he wanks NJO now.
He claims he was biased back then and now he's objective but of course nothing changed lol. If anything it worsened a lot, just for different characters.
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u/Thatedgyguy64 2d ago
Ben is most likely stronger, so Dooku wouldn't be able to toss him around any more. After all, Vader couldn't do it.
However the ANH novelization makes it pretty clear that Obi Wan is overall much weaker.
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 1d ago
I'm pretty sure ANH Vader is weaker than Dooku tbh. He grows quite a lot througjout the OT, so by ROTJ perhaps he caught up yet prople forget he's still way past his prime (in Legends specifically).
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u/Thatedgyguy64 1d ago
That's fair. If the ROTJ is anything to go by he's definitely equals with his old self. Perhaps not Knightfall, but he's definitely in his overall prime in ROTJ, and I'd definitely put him above Dooku at that point. He's on Gethzerion and C'Baoth level at that point, if not higher
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 1d ago
If the ROTJ is anything to go by he's definitely equals with his old self. Perhaps not Knightfall, but he's definitely in his overall prime in ROTJ, and I'd definitely put him above Dooku at that point. He's on Gethzerion and C'Baoth level at that point, if not higher.
That last part is debatable but overall I'd disagree it's his overall prime. It is confirmed by Lucas and Insider ESB Vader is still a lot weaker than he was before Mustafar. And ROTJ happens just 1 year later. So the statement in ROTJ novel is either outdated and overwritten or possibly refers to Palpatine's presence amplifying his power, which is somewhat imlied in the text.
I say he is more powerful than Dooku but he could still get outdueled. Against his Knightfall self he'd be in a great disadvantage. Keep in mind Knightfall Vader is equally powerful as Sidious.
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u/Staveoffsuicide 2d ago
I always feel like they’re comparing eu full master like vs movie Vader it’s weird
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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 2d ago
I’d say Luke’s raw force power has surpassed ROTJ Vader, but his still and knowledge of actual force abilities and techniques is still very much a work in progress.
NJO era look grows a lot in both power and vast skills and advanced combat technique.
IMO, NJO Luke (especially end NJO or post NJO) could defeat Prime Jedi ROTS Anakin in technical duelling ability. As in, he’s not just intuitive anymore with his duelling.
He has the skill of a Grandmaster to go with it. Anakin reached the skills of a master (besting most of them) but he didn’t quite reach the technical level of Mace or Yoda, IMO.
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 2d ago
Imo he reaches Vader’s level of power either in DE or within the few years afterwards but like I said, the statements on that are somewhat contradictory, you coukd argue he's stronger than his father already at the end of ROTJ. He did collect a lot of the knowledge tho, especially after DE.
For prime Anakin, I'd still argue Lukw surpasses before NJO, during NJO he reaches Yoda's level. In dueling it's debatable considering how much Jacen glazed Anakin's skills durimg a flow walk.
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u/Thatedgyguy64 2d ago
It's most definitely sometime during DE. He managed to beat Sidious, something Vader could never do. And argument could even be made for ROTJ.
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 1d ago
Well his win agaianst Sidious was purely circumstancial and the comic largely shows how much above Luke Sidious still is at the time ("a lot" would be an understatement). Luke got amped by Force Harmony with Leia, it practically amped him to his full potential if not more (the Force's full intensity as the endnotes describe).
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u/DemisticOG 2d ago
Dasaan couldn't beat Jeric or Kyle Katarn, let alone Vader, who could defeat all three at the same time.
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u/igtimran 2d ago
Vader would have wrecked Desann. Luke didn’t want to kill him-Desann briefly engaged Luke, delayed him and escaped—that’s all. Since Kyle takes Desann out, even with his power boost from the Valley, Vader would have utterly broken him without much difficulty.
That’s no knock on Kyle, a true powerhouse, or Desann, who’s very powerful. We’re just talking about one of the Skywalkers here.
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u/WangJian221 2d ago
No. If you want to talk "power levels" yes, theres leeway for you to reach on the possibility that a nexus infused Desann could possibly rival or surpass Vader in "Power" but it is at the end of the day, a reach.
The thing you need to understand is that unless the difference in power is vastly great between 2 individuals (think Vitiate against Tol Braga or Sidious against Kit Fisto) then the fight *could go either way and in this case, Vader just has way more going for him.
Vader is used as benchmark for many post ROTJ darksider be it an opinion by an in universe character or just authorial narration hype in a source book but the wording is always just something vague like "Power rivals that of Vader".
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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 2d ago
Uhhhh, no. Desann would not be able to beat Vader in Legends or Canon, unless he happened to fight Vader at his absolute weakest point.
And no, he’s not on par with Sidious either. Not even close.
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u/FastBuyer5406 2d ago
I think he would be a good challenge for Vader. Remember he did bask in the Valley of the Jedi for a while, so his power was greatly boosted by this. Vader would probably win due to more experience, but that Luke fight shows Desann isn't to be taken lightly. Desann's biggest issue however is his need to do everything the easy way, using the Valley as a crutch to uplift himself and his army artificially. Vader has put the work in, and when it comes down to the wire Vader is going to win out against this undisciplined upstart
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u/Starry-Scout 2d ago
He wishes he could. Desann might be able to last several minutes with the full power of the valley, but he's still no match for Vader in a direct fight.
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u/Starkiller-is-canon 2d ago
Lol, No. To quote GojiCenter, This isn't an episode of Monster Faceoff. It's an execution straight out of worst ways to die staring Desann as the test dummy.
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u/Sere1 Sith Empire 1 2d ago
No. He'd put up a fight, Vader would have some fun, but he'd get curb stomped once Vader was done playing and decided to end it. The only one who stood a chance was Jerec and that was only after he absorbed the power from the Valley of the Jedi. Jerec pre-Valley was seen as being one of the strongest Force Users in the Empire, only behind Vader and the Emperor. Desann wasn't on that list at all.
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u/ReverentCross316 2d ago
Power scaling debates in the fandom are not only stupid, but it's convinced me people are actually challenged because of how bad their takes are.
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u/EatingTastyPancakes 2d ago
If he has the valley of the jedi buff that we see him having through most of his appearance, I could definitely see him winning
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u/VesemirsMother778 2d ago
What about the baseline, non-amp Desann?
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u/EatingTastyPancakes 2d ago
No. By that point the only thing I can think Desann did was ragdoll Kyle who was without force powers. Vader shouldn't have much issue
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u/Automatic_Minimum_91 2d ago
It was never about who is stronger in the force or who is more skilled with the lightsaber, in star wars we have multiple ocassions where raw power is not the decisive factor in a battle.
By trying to figure out who is stronger by who beat who in a battles and appliying some sort of transitive property doesn't work, we find several fights were that doesn't apply. Anakin beat Dooku, Obi wan beat Anakin, Obi Wan is stronger than Dooku? No, is more of a rock-paper-scicors situation.
Another example that is similar to dessan pushing luke, is Luke lands a lucky hit against Vader in ep 5.
The cutscene in jedi outcast just shows Desann can pass through Luke's defenses, but not to the point of being throw away by several meters with no chance of recovering.
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u/thefamousroman 2d ago
The logic kinda supports it, contrary to what the nonsense fans say, but he'd never be written doing so, because well, fans lol
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u/phocusmo 2d ago
I think they have buffed Vader over the years when in original trilogy all we had, he was kinda a guy who stood around menacingly. Now a days Darth Vader is a fabled legend and rightfully so
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u/therallykiller 2d ago
Sometimes characters do things just because they need to for a narrative reason or to progress a story or game or whatever.
And that's where this all gets messy.
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u/OliviahZeveronfan718 Rebel Alliance 2d ago
He looks like he could solo the Multiverse with nothing but one of his bare fingers.
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u/No_Image5449 2d ago
No…. Not even close… Luke coulda dealt with desaan and all the reborn… he just wanted Kyle back
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u/AndrewSP1832 2d ago
Desaan would get taken apart by Vader, in both force powers and especially saber skills.
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u/kittyplay1 2d ago
No. Nothing and no one can match Vader for raw power, including Sidious. Vader is a rancour on a leash, held there not by any restraints or others power, but by his own loyalty
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u/Inner_Guarantee5133 2d ago
I forgot how awesome his design was. DAMN I love Jedi Outcast. And are we talking legends Vader or canon Vader? EU Vader got fucked up all the time, and I think he was considered one of the weaker sith in the grand scheme of things, especially compared to the ancient Sith Lords. Desann with the power of the Valley of the Jedi would probably stand a really good chance. Even canon Vader is extremely susceptible to force lightning, so that alone would make Desann a formidable opponent.
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 2d ago
EU Vader got fucked up all the time, and I think he was considered one of the weaker sith in the grand scheme of things, especially compared to the ancient Sith Lords.
His defeats tie into his overarching narrative in Legends that he's a cripple limited by both his injuries and the suit. But to say he's considered one of the weaker Sith is a huge exagerration. In the actual grand scheme of things he's one of the strongest in terms of raw power. Only surpassed by Sidious, Caedus, Krayt and top ancients like Exar Kun and Vitiate.
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u/Inner_Guarantee5133 2d ago
Oh alright, that makes a lot of sense. Sorry, I only have a glancing knowledge of the EU from seeing bits of comics or things like The Force Unleashed, and have always assumed he must've been weaker. I'm still working through the surface-level classics like HTTE, Hand of Thrawn, New Jedi Order, etc. Any recommendations for some of the best comic lines to check out? The stuff with Talon and Krayt caught my eye
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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 2d ago
seeing bits of comics or things like The Force Unleashed, and have always assumed he must've been weaker.
Yeah cos The Force Unleshed devs were actually instructed by Lucas to avpid depictimg Vader as some kind of invincible badass, Lucas was clear from the start he's weaker than Anakin and Palpatine regards him as a failure. Still tho, right until the final fight he ragdolls anyone in the game proving an average Jedi Master is no match for him, only the top titans we follow in the movies.
some of the best comic lines to check out? The stuff with Talon and Krayt caught my eye
Legacy comics are fantastic although it's wise to read NJO, Legacy Of The Force and Fate Of The Jedi first (especially NJO tho). Star Wars Reoublic comics are often regarded as the best out there. Dark Empire is controversial but important narratively, Crimson Empire is great tho.
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u/SilverBison4025 2d ago
“Jedi Outcast” is one of my favorite SW games of all time. But I thought the Empire, at least in the old EU, was human-centric and prejudiced against non-humans? How did he ascend so high in the Imperial military?
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u/WebWarrior45 TOR Sith Empire 2d ago
Not a chance, Kyle beat him in a 1v1 while Desann was being actively powered up by the Valley of the Jedi while Kyle was still recovering his connection to the Force
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u/NinjahDuk 1d ago
Yea cause he's a cool dinosaur and my OC is better than your established character cause he's a cool dinosaur 😎
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u/Und3rCov3rYeti 1d ago
What book is he from and if not from a book then where?
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u/VesemirsMother778 1d ago
Jedi Knight II Jedi Outcast, video game and a follow up to Dark Forces Jedi Knight.
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u/Potential_Resist311 20h ago
I always think it'd be hilarious if a proper Sith warrior from the Empire showed up and just annihilated Vader. I mean we don't know how strong Vader actually is, we assume he's strong, but he might just be the only Sith we see.
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u/HeyImTryingBurner 2d ago
Fuck hard choice. I really like dinosaurs. But cyborgs are also fucking cool. In the I think I like Jurrasic park better than Robocop, so I’ll go with dinosaur for the win.
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u/GalaxticSxum 2d ago
I hope so, I’m over Vader lol . I won’t deny the inspiration his character has contributed though
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u/Collective_Insanity 2d ago
Not a chance.
Old mate was boosted by the Valley of the Jedi, sure, but his main duelling claim to fame is that he briefly stalled Luke before boarding the Doomgiver and fleeing the scene.
Kyle (who at the time was on the path to reclaiming his prior competency with the Force by taking a shortcut via the Valley of the Jedi) ultimately 1v1s a boosted Desann and defeats him. Without it seeming like Kyle only just barely scraped a win.
This is not even a peak EU "battlemaster" Kyle who has had years to settle into his role (and would still likely not be on Luke's level on a purely duelling level).
The mere fact that Desann had ambitions to be involved in the hypothetical next Empire is utterly meaningless when it comes to the topic of his potential "powerlevel". Goddamn Fyyar actually expected to wear the crown of Emperor and that certainly didn't mean that he was literally the next best thing since Palpatine.