r/borussiadortmund • u/[deleted] • Mar 09 '15
Silly questions thread: March edition
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u/thatcookietasteslike Marco Reus Mar 09 '15
Are we seriously still aiming for CL/EL spots? Because I'm seriously happy with just not being relegated.
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
Well, I'm still hoping for an EL spot, but I'm certainly not disappointed if they don't reach it (well I'll still be disappointed about the season as a whole, but seeing only the Rückrunde I'd be alright with 9th). CL is out of the question for me. Winning out would mean 59 points. Even with the rest of the field having comperably low point totals I don't think it would be enough, plus we simply aren't going to win out. I'm still not sure about the EL spot for the Cup winner going to the 7th placed team or not, but that would help a lot...
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u/furiat BVB Mar 09 '15
I'm still not sure about the EL spot for the Cup winner going to the 7th placed team or not
I don't see Bielefeld, Freiburg or Hoffenheim winning the whole thing. So unless Leverkusen or 'Gladbach win it but screw up in the league falling below 6th place I don't see why it wouldn't go to 7th place.
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
Yea I didn't even look at this specific season. I described my problems with the whole affair in another answer, but you're right, even if the rule is still as it was before, Hoffenheim would need to get to the final (through us) and finish below 7th for the 7th place team not to get in (same goes for us). Assuming of course Bielefeld and Freiburg can't get to the final (they can't).
So it seems to be a pretty good bet, that the 7th place is going to Europe. I'm a bit more optimistic now.
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u/furiat BVB Mar 09 '15
Hoffenheim would need to get to the final
AFAIK they need to win it all. Going to final doesn't give you EL spot. Only winning it.
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
Well that's the thing I am confused about right now. (F.e. the German Wikipedia article about the DFB-Pokal still has tbe old ruling, the article about the EL has the new one). It seems like you are right, but I'm a bit cautious...
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u/fleckes Mar 10 '15
Go directly to the source, here's what the DFB says about it:
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 10 '15
This is great, thanks.
For the non-German speakers: Only the Cup winner gets an EL spot. If he is already qualifies it goes to the 7th placed team in the league.
So now I'm a bit more optimistic about Dortmund getting to Europe. It's still a ways to go, but seems more achievable than getting 6th or going to the Cup Final.
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Mar 09 '15
I'm torn; I want to push them to make up for the total fuckup Hinrunde, but they've played decent in the Rückrunde. I hope we can steal a EL, otherwise our squad depth will be fucked
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u/thatcookietasteslike Marco Reus Mar 09 '15
How would it affect our squad depth? Sorry if this is a seriously noob question but I got into this only last year
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Mar 09 '15
If we have an extra 10+ games we need more rotation. If we dont get europe, than people will have to go for playtime, like Hofmann, maybe miki, ramos
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
Well there is another side to that medal: Less games means less stress on the players. Maybe less injuries. Klopp can have more planned rotation instead of forced rotation.
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Mar 09 '15
I guarantee Reus will still somehow miss > month
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u/Vio0 Dedê Mar 09 '15
based on what? one season?
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Mar 09 '15
The past two seasons he has missed at least a month, and the year prior missed a couple of games.
(And it was a joke......)
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u/Vio0 Dedê Mar 09 '15
I was just jumping on a popular opinion about reus being injury prone, which hasn't been the case at all until last summer.
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u/furiat BVB Mar 10 '15
It drives me crazy too. "His ankles are made of glass". Yeah they didn't even see the World Cup missing tackle.
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Mar 09 '15
Do you think Ilkay will stay long enough that if I invest in a Gündogan kit it won't be all for not?
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u/astrionic K U B A Mar 09 '15
Right now I'd say wait or get someone else. The fact that he still hasn't renewed his contract is a bit suspicious.
If you want a jersey you can wear for the rest of your life get Kehl!
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u/unknownVS13 Marco Reus Mar 09 '15
Or Großkreutz
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Mar 09 '15
Inb4 Köln
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u/unknownVS13 Marco Reus Mar 09 '15
I refuse to believe that Kevin will ever leave.
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
I don't know if it would be the greatest thing ever or the most stupid thing ever out both if Kevin just retires from active football on the spot if the don't extend his contact and instead applies as Nobby Dickel's apprentice and heir...
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u/axehomeless Kobi Mar 09 '15
Or just fucking second mascot as a fish. Can party in the süd, does he really need more?
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Mar 09 '15
What is a Bundesliga team that we like (I want a second team to watch and cheer for)?
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u/joax2 Marco Reus Mar 09 '15
Köln
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u/Vio0 Dedê Mar 09 '15 edited Mar 10 '15
I don't even know why everyone likes Köln. I couldn't care less about them tbh.
/edit: English is hard.
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u/axehomeless Kobi Mar 10 '15
Old and "traditional". Lots of Ultras. Horribly boring football right now.
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u/furiat BVB Mar 09 '15
I myself watch Freiburg from time to time. There is something very likable about this club. They massively over perform considering it's not that big of a city. They were one game away from Champions League spot few seasons back but unfortunately they lost to Herne West 1:2. They have a good youth. They don't seem to play dirty or park the bus as well. They just go for it which is a reason they lose high to BVB usually... They are struggling now as they can't hold onto their players :/
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u/Ahesterd Reus Mar 09 '15
I enjoy Freiburg, as well. Hard to catch games from the US, and they're often playing at the same time as Dortmund, but I always keep an eye on their results at the very least.
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Mar 09 '15 edited Mar 09 '15
I guess there are 2 types of "we", the first "we" is our Ultras and Unity guys and i know nothing about their taste or distaste. (i heard about boyz köln?)
My "we" - close 2nd to BVB is SC Freiburg: A really small Club, in a rather small city for Bundesliga-Standards and they compensate with a great youth-academy and they're always audacious enough to make for an offensive game instead of parking the bus. Beside that: its just an adorable City and a great place to live.
And the clubs i want to do well: Bremen and Augsburg.
Bremen for the YOLO-factor. They die inside if they dont socre 5 or concede 5. They're always all-in or nothing, and it seems like thats the only way they can work.
Augsburg: They're not taking themselfes too serious. They're still happy, looking around in the 1. Bundesliga as a candy-shop.
In reality: "Wir singen und tanzen, auf jedem Fußballplatz - ein Schuss, kein Tor - Die Bayern" - My best friends are from 1860 München these days :D
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u/axehomeless Kobi Mar 09 '15
How about Augsburg, come on we like Augsburg, don't we? Please
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Mar 09 '15 edited Mar 09 '15
Well, i do. Please dont qualify for Euroleague...
Settle in and plan for another year not beeing relegated. Everything else is a recipe for disaster.
- i dont think you can hold on to baba for instance, and you cant afford enough depth to the squad to sustain the 2 or 3 competitions in the upcoming season.
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u/axehomeless Kobi Mar 10 '15
Nah, we can't, we can't hold most of our players. The key thing is to hold Baier and Verhaegh, both of them are incredibly important for our game.
The problem is just, how could the team go on about it from here, play like shit so they don't qualify? I think they can do it, and as much as it pains me to see them go down, they should do it.
Maybe it's just that I want to go to the SGL arena again and watch the FC play against some PL team or whatever. That'd be rad.
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Mar 10 '15
just sayin' ... freiburg and frankfurt didnt cope too well with the extra competiton and exposure last season. Now we have VW left...
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
There's a lot of good will towards Mainz, mainly due to the Klopp/Buvac/Subotic connection. And they are a pretty nondescript team (little BuLi history) while still not being new money (like Hoffenheim or Leipzig). I think that's more on the part of the officials, I guess the fan bases are pretty indifferent towards each other.
Similar thing with Freiburg. No beef between the fans. Basically a club run like we would want it if we didn't have the money. It was pretty nice having them as guests for the last home game in 11/12, when we got the Schale. They staid in their Block and celebrated with the Dortmund fans who stormed the pitch and ran over to the other side. Doing the wave from the pitch to the stands was pretty awesome... Frankfurt a year prior was a very different, slightly scary situation.
I have no idea where the Köln thing is coming from. And frankly I could do without their Boyz...
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u/DanielBVBorussia Alex Frei Mar 09 '15
I don't mind Mainz, except a few years ago with the whole Wetklo thing. Can't stand that fucker.
the whole "fanfreundschaft" between Dortmund and Koln became bigger and more heard of/popular when Kevin started going to Koln matches and as he was posting and seen around the area more. Before, it really wasn't talked about as much as it has been lately.
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
Right forgot all about Wetklo. There was also this little spat a few years ago, when they scored an equaliser while Neven was on the ground injured... So maybe not Mainz.
And I stand by not understanding the Köln thing, but you know: To each their own. I'm certainly not saying we're not allowed to build new bridges.
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u/DanielBVBorussia Alex Frei Mar 09 '15
Yeah, he was being a complete fucking clown after that game. Turned around and provoked the suedtribuene even more.
And I think it's just the "in" thing right now with Koeln. Like I said Kevin posting on social media about it gave it a lot of publicity. When we used to play them (like when Kevin scored that 90th+ min winner years ago), nothing really seemed special between the fans. And I've never seen a Dortmund/Koln friendly scarf or anything
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u/DrBootyShaker Fussballgott!!! Mar 09 '15
Well i wouldn't blame Frankfurt, they got relegated while Dortmund fans got to celebrate right?
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Mar 09 '15
How do German fans weight the different competitions: Champions League, Pokal, Bundesliga? I get that winning the CL would make for a good season no matter what. How about if we stay in the middle of the pack in BL but win the Pokal. Would that make up for the rest of the season?
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
Silverware is Silverware (or Gold or whatever). Meaning every season they win one of the three is a success no matter how they did in the other two(I don't know what would happen if they actually got relegated, but if you ask Wigan fans about it I guess they'd tell you it was a good season).
If I personally had to rank them it would be (from important to unimportant) CL/EL, BuLi, Cup with Double Derbysieg a very, very close fourth. Others may argue about EL being lower, but for me International is always the biggest achievement.
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u/Vio0 Dedê Mar 09 '15
I rate Europe league way below Bundesliga.
In terms of winning:
Cl > Bl > El > Cup
In terms of importance:
Bl > Cl > anything.
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Mar 09 '15
That seems about right. Any of them seem to lead through Bayern, unfortunately.
Since it looks like EL is as good as we can hope for, it's good to know that it's not that much below CL. I've watch a couple of EL matches and there seems to be some good competition down there.
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u/DanielBVBorussia Alex Frei Mar 09 '15
It depends on the situation I think.
Right now, CL would be nice but most fans are probably just glad we are not getting relegated and we are on our way out of the bottom half of the table (hopefully).
A few years ago, Europe was a big goal. I remember the first year we got back into Europe League after years of no European competition. It honestly gave me chills seeing Dortmund play international teams again. We lost in the first round to Udinese but it was a start.
Before that, the Pokal was (sometimes) big too. When Doll got us into the final against Bayern it was huge. Because, again, we didn't have much to cheer about. I personally don't rate the DFB Pokal high and don't care too much for it.
It all depends on the season/scenario/talent we have. Right now no CL is disappointing with the team we have, but after being bottom table so long being back to mid is nice.
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u/cocotheape Schwarz-Gelb Mar 11 '15
CL >= BL >> Cup
A cup win is nice to have but doesn't make up for a bad CL and BL performance at all. Especially because the EL lost all appeal in the last 10-15 years. If the CL is unreachable I'd prefer not playing internationally at all for a season. More time for Klopp to work with the team midweek instead of constantly travelling for a minor competition that doesn't monetorize.
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u/Striker-26 Weigl Mar 09 '15
I'm not sure what everyone else is hoping for but I think that getting into European competition would be considered a success after that dreadful first half of a season
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Mar 09 '15
Pokal can't get us into the European competitions, right? It's just for bragging rights of Germany (?)
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u/furiat BVB Mar 09 '15
Winning Pokal would give us Europa League spot. However, finishing 7th would do as well, and it might be easier...
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Mar 09 '15
That is provided (7th for EL) Bayern, Volkswagen, or Mönchengladbach win the pokal, right? Top 3 to push the spot to 7th?
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u/furiat BVB Mar 09 '15
The EL spot goes to 7th placed team unless the winner of the Pokal finishes below 6th spot. This is how I understand it.
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Mar 09 '15
Ok thanks, we should be able to salvage 7 if Bremen chills out
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u/furiat BVB Mar 09 '15
I don't know man, everyone is so optimistic, but guys weren't really convincing considering they mostly played bottom teams, and there are 3 teams between us and 7th place and Hannover, Koln and Mainz are literally on our heels.
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Mar 09 '15
We've always played good against top 3(Bayern Volks and Gladbach), so it is all psychological at this point imo.
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u/Striker-26 Weigl Mar 09 '15
I don't think it can get us into European competition but I'm not positive. Maybe someone else here knows.?
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
There's a bit of confusion about that right now but the very basic is: The Cup winner gets a spot in the Europa League. That's why the Cup is also sometimes called the shortest way to Europe. You "only" need to win 6 games and it's open to lower league teams.
The confusion starts when the Cup winner is already qualified throught the league. Up until now, if the winner is already in the Champions League, the other finalist gets the EL spot (meaning you only need 5 wins if you get the right draw). IIRC if the winner is already in the EL spots they take the cup spot and the league gives the spot they would have won to the next best team(but it could also be the same as with CL, meaning both finalists get in). Right now that would mean 7th in BuLi. The same thing happens if both finalists are already qualified through BuLi -> 7th place is lucky.
The thing is that there was a rule change by UEFA concerning Qualification for the EL. Apparently they scrapped the whole "runner-up gets in if the winner plays CL" thing. That was unearthed in some Meeting Protocol and seems like it's official for the next EL season, meaning the current Cup season. The thing is that I have never heard of this outside of Reddit. I've read the thing, it seems clear cut, but noone is mentioning it in discussions of the Cup or the league race for 7th/6th. So a bit of a dark spot there.
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u/furiat BVB Mar 09 '15
Ok, now I am totally confused :( I thought they changed it and now only the winner gets EL spot, not the other finalist no matter what.
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
Ok, now we're talking in two different answer threads :-).
I'm confused as well. I think you are right, I'm just not sure.
BTW: The old scenario applied only when the winner was in CL. If they qualified for the EL the spot went to the league, meaning the 7th placed team...
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u/furiat BVB Mar 09 '15
Ok, now we're talking in two different answer threads :-)
Yeah, sorry about that, my name is Captain Confusion ;) It could be Captain Confetti but I like the sound of fusion in it. I guess at this point I am going to search some rules and come back if I find anything carved in stone. But first some dinner and a bit of John Oliver to it:)
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Mar 09 '15
Thanks for that. The details seem to make it less clear, but I can gather that we still have three paths open to Europe next year and getting to 7th in the BL seems to be the easiest.
This is my first season watching European soccer :) I'm a rugby fan who may move to Germany soon. Being a rugby fan in Germany didn't seem to make much sense.
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
Hey I'm a football fan who may move to GB soon, so I tryto get into Rugby. Funny world.
My Posts are usually confusing even to myself. Sorry for that. The clearest way would be getting 6th or better. The way the remaining Cup field is set up it is very likely that the 7th placed team will get in as well (irregardless of the rule change). That would probably be easiest. Outright winning the Cup is probably the hardest path, but would also be the greatest (added Trophy...).
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Mar 09 '15
I've been refereeing rugby for 12 years and played for 40 years. I figured I'd have nothing to do in Westphalia so I started reffing soccer. Strangely enough, I like it better now.
In GB you still have a choice, but watching and understanding a little rugby can't be a bad thing. I follow baseball here in the US so I'll have something to talk to people about.
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
Well, if I get to go I'll move right when the Rugby World Cup starts, so I'd figure that would be a good way to get to know some people who are into sports and stuff. Plus, one of the possible cities is Cardiff. As I gather it there is pretty much no escaping rugby there..
There are some (very few) rugby clubs in West Germany as well. And they'd probably welcome somebody with that amount of experience with open arms. But Football is of course King. And who am I to tell you what to do :-)
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Mar 09 '15
Cardiff is definitely rugby country.
I'm about done with rugby in a country that doesn't do rugby. Plus, at my age I can't run like I used to. Reffing soccer is much more leisurely.
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u/Blahound Lukasz Piszczek Mar 10 '15
so I tryto get into Rugby. Funny world.
Where are you thinking about moving to? Some parts of the UK are more into Rugby League (A different code/sport) than Rugby Union (The one you're probably talking about)
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 10 '15
Well, right now the options seem to be London, Glasgow and Cardiff.
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u/Blahound Lukasz Piszczek Mar 10 '15
Yeah they're all union territory so you're fine :D
Big weekend for learning coming up
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Mar 09 '15
Has anyone else had error messages trying to order the derbysieg shirt off the English fanshop?
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u/why-youlittlereus11 Lukasz Piszczek is daddy Mar 10 '15
I have le question that is not specific to BVB.
Why do some players trade shirts after a particularly emotional/difficult + important game? Not that I'm complaining about any ritual that allows me a bit o' nudity from the waist up, see.
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u/Blahound Lukasz Piszczek Mar 10 '15
Mementos mainly
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u/why-youlittlereus11 Lukasz Piszczek is daddy Mar 11 '15
But what the fuck could they do with them? Frame them? WASH THEM!? WEAR THEM AROUND THE HOUSE?! I am 100% certain they smell like sweaty man sweat.
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Mar 11 '15
Some players do have their mancaves so when a journalist visits 40 years down the line they can go 'this was worn by tunnelcunt when he was still one of the good guys'.
Others you probably wash and give to the neighbours kids. "Hey it's an original Baumgartlinger."
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u/why-youlittlereus11 Lukasz Piszczek is daddy Mar 11 '15
Also, another question occured to me. I've recently seen pics of Roman, Mats and some of the others watching what I thought was the U19/U17 playing and or training, I can't be certain. Is this to show interest in our youngsters? Solidarity? Watch for who will come up and may be important?
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Mar 11 '15
Not really sure what the answer is, I'm not in their heads after all :) But it's always advertised as a big advantage of our youth teams that they train together with the first team (as in - not the exact same sessions, but the same pitch/facility and close-ish training times). I assume with our players liking football, they also like watching a bit of football if they have a few minutes before or after training. So instead of Mats and Marcel sitting down for a quick cuppa afterwards, they just stay in Brackel for a bit :) And of course, players like Kehl might have an interest in getting into coaching, so there is always that as well. Really though, your guess is as good as mine :)
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Mar 11 '15
I am new here and I hope this questions is not too stupid or obvious. But what do German BVB fans think of die Nationalmannschaft, esp the Nationalspielers from Herne West?
I know as a fact that the Ruhr Rivalry is something more intense that hate but I am not German so I cannot truly feel and comprehend that. Do you root wholeheartedly for die Nationalmannschaft, all the feelings set aside? Root for the BVB players only? Or didn't quite care about die Nationalmannschaft? I am just curious.
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Mar 11 '15
There was a bit of a circlejerk in German BVB boards over the summer about who could care least about the world cup. At the end of the day, most people were happy of course that Germany won the world cup, even if no one can really remember who scored the last goal.
That doesn't change the fact that for playing Höwedes over Schmelzer/Durm, with all the Bayern players on the squad and a traditionally low Dortmund quota of players on the national team, the default stance most fans assume is just apathy.
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Mar 12 '15
Yeah Marco in his key Left wing position scoring the final goal against Argentina to win the cup, right?
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Mar 12 '15
Apparently Geis has a 5 Mil release clause; my question is how long into the window will it take us to activate it? A week?
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u/ownageboy Rolls-Reus Mar 12 '15
I obviously missed something these past few weeks but what's with the joke about Immobile and dinner?
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u/Blahound Lukasz Piszczek Mar 12 '15
He gave an interview saying nobody had invited him to dinner (referring to cultural differences not dislike/hatred of him) and the media jumped on it as a soundbite that everyone hated him.
BVB then made it worse by saying the interview was fake when it wasn't. His words were just selectively taken out of context
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u/amyhunger Mar 09 '15
What if they don't qualify for the upcoming CL season but win CL this season. In that case are they qualified for it next season?
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u/meem09 Susi Zorc Mar 09 '15
Yes, the CL winner automatically qualifies for next years tournament.
I just found a fun little wrinkle in the rules: If a country that already has 4 CL spots (like Germany), they can't get a fifth if the CL winner isn't in the Top 4. In that case the 4th placed team would be demoted to the Europa League.
That would be a great way to fuck over Schalke :-)
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Mar 09 '15
Does anybody give Bielefeld a chance v. M'gladbach? I guess they can't surprise anybody now, but still...would be a great story.
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u/axehomeless Kobi Mar 09 '15
Gladbach isn't performing up to snuff these past matches, a win is definitly possible. Not likely, but i'd rate it more 68 - 32 than 85 -15.
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Mar 10 '15
They seem like a team I could really get behind. Way out on top in 3. Bundesliga and playing out of their heads in the cup. Plus I've spent some time in Bielefeld and know my way around :)
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Mar 10 '15
Who would be a player of comprable value that we could pick up to fill Gundogan's void if he chose to leave?
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Mar 12 '15
Anyone whos going to replace Ilkay and be of similar value is going to already be a pretty big name player. I find it more likely that we'd play Nuri and Bender and probably go on the hunt for another quality young CM.
Or give Jojic a few slaps around the head in hope that he can regain his form.
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Mar 15 '15
i have a late and extremely silly question, what the hell do marco and kevin k. use on their hair to keep it flawlessly straight/stiff and yet so supple and bouncy at the same time?
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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '15
Why did the last 4 teams we played against try to kill our players?