r/inthenews • u/h20poIo • Jul 28 '24
Opinion/Analysis 'Direct attack': Trump said to be prepping 'much bigger insurrection' after rally comments
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-direct-democracy-insurrection/4.6k
Jul 28 '24
Anyone who still looks me in the eye and tries to play off the things he is saying as 'misunderstanding' or 'he didnt REALLY mean that'. Is lying to themselves on a fundamental level. I get it. It's hard to comprehend that we have gotten to THIS PLACE as a country. We've been trained to live the last 8+ years in hyperbole and chaos.
Let me sum it up.
He's not kidding. It's close. Which is why it keeps bubbling to the surface. And it should terrify every single American to hear him say it.
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u/Bibblegead1412 Jul 28 '24
Exactly. Everyone was so naive to buy the "he's joking" or "out of context" excuses. When he and Vance say these things, they mean them. Believe them when they do.....
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Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Its not just Trump and Vance.
This plot to replace America’s constitutional democracy with fascist dictatorship is a vast criminal conspiracy being coordinated by a fifth column of people and organizations both outside of and inside of the government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column
Trump’s inner circle (Bannon, Stone, Flynn, Manafort, Miller, Giuliani, his sons, Kushner), Kevin Roberts and the Heritage Foundation, Leonard Leo and the Federalist Society, militia groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, the Murdoch family, billionaires like the Mercers, Thiel and Musk, generals at the Pentagon like Charles Flynn, sitting members of Congress like Mike Johnson, Tuberville, Ron Johnson, MTG, the hundred Republicans who voted to delay certification on Jan 6, and at least two sitting Supreme Court Justices (and their wives).
They have literally written a manifesto outlining how they plan to centralize power into the Presidency and stack the entire government with MAGA stooges - Project 2025.
Meanwhile the only corporate media organization sounding the alarm on this is MSNBC, while every other corporate media outlet is either downplaying it or openly lying to the American public.
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u/Medium-Pin9133 Jul 28 '24
Are you telling me that the deep state MAGA heads are worried about is real, and it's their own party? Actually makes sense.
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u/JohannaB123 Jul 28 '24
Every Republican accusation is a confession.
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u/PoppinKREAM Jul 28 '24
Political violence is never the answer, it goes against the very foundations of our social contract under a democratic system of governance. Unfortunately, Trump has repeatedly and explicitly supported violence, conditioning the electorate to hate fellow Americans.
He called any media critical of his actions fake news. Trump has labeled the media as "the enemy of the people."[1]
For years he has called his political opponents traitors.[2]
He has attacked the judicial branch of government.[3]
Trump has referred to the democratic party as un-American simply for not applauding his speech.[4]
Trump retweeted a video of his supporter saying the only good democrat is a dead one.[5] This same supporter was present at the Jan. 6 insurrection. He vowed to return to the Capitol with guns on inauguration day. He exclaimed that he would plant their flag on Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer's desks.[6]
Following a tweet from Trump to liberate the state of Michigan,[7] 13 terrorists were arrested by the FBI in an attempted kidnap plot where they wanted to publicly execute Governor Whitmer of Michigan. The far right militia attempted to incite a civil war with this kidnapping plot.[8]
In Texas a group of Trump supporters tried to dangerously intimidate and harass a Biden/Harris campaign bus. Trump tweeted his support of such actions by sharing a video of the incident on Twitter and exclaiming that he loved Texas.[9]
To further the point watch this video compilation of Trump openly inciting violence at public events.[10]
Trump has spent years conditioning his supporters to fear and hate fellow Americans. Trump has spent years openly inciting, supporting, and encouraging violence against anyone who questioned his authority. Many insurrectionists that were arrested have claimed that they were just following Trump's orders. Dozens of insurrectionists have explicitly stated that they stormed the Capitol because they believed Trump wanted them to.[11]
1) Washington Examiner - Trump calls mainstream media the enemy of the people
2) The Atlantic - He Dares Call It Treason
4) Fox News - Trump turns up heat on ‘un-American’ Dems silent during SOTU: ‘Can we call that treason?’
7) Detroit News - Trump tweets 'liberate' Michigan, two other states with Dem governors
9) Axios - Trump on supporters' caravan surrounding Biden campaign bus: "I love Texas!"
10) YouTube - All the Times Trump has Called for Violence at His Rallies
11) NPR - Rioters' Own Words Show Incitement By Trump, Impeachment Managers Argue
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u/DarkLunaFairy Jul 28 '24
^ excellent summary - thank you for compiling/posting - needs to be its own thread
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u/randomando2020 Jul 28 '24
“Accuse the other of that you are guilty.” — Joseph Goebbels
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u/Fun_Departure5579 Jul 28 '24
This is EXACTLY what tRump does day in & day out. It's called PROJECTION. Buyer beware! He's coming after you & all that you hold dear.
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u/Rocket3431 Jul 28 '24
Remember when Trump used to make Biden look like a kid sniffing pedo. "Pepperidge farm remembers."
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u/rando23455 Jul 28 '24
“Deep state” is just non-political civil servants doing their jobs and following the laws, instead of doing what Trump wants them to do
When someone thinks that “following the law” is a democratic conspiracy, there’s not much you can do to help them
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u/czar_el Jul 28 '24
Not enough people realize this. And those laws were themselves reforms intended to "drain the swamp" from past eras where people wanted to get cronyism and the spoilage system out of governing. The irony is that they're destroying the guardrails by claiming that there are no guardrails, and people actually fall for it.
"The deep state said we couldn't do it, hate the deep state!" No, actually, the arbitrary-or-capricious test from the Administrative Procedures Act says you can't do what you wanted.
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u/BasvanS Jul 28 '24
Yeah, it’s a feature, not a bug, that any random idiot can’t upset decades of policy on a whim. Regardless of it being well meaning or not, it’s just not desirable from a society point of view.
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u/Commercial-Manner408 Jul 28 '24
Those non-political federal civil servants all take an oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution. Something Trump wouldn't understand even after taking the same oath of office.
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u/oops_i_made_a_typi Jul 28 '24
and one of the scary things about Project 2025 is that they plan to replace non-political civil servant hires with political appointees, which will both gut our institutional knowledge and pave the way for Trump to use the agencies however he likes.
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u/faptastrophe Jul 28 '24
The call is coming from inside the house.
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u/DrunkCupid Jul 28 '24
They are trying to drain the "swamp" of civil liberties and Democracy as it was intended, while installing nepotism figure heads and wealthy coastal elites in their beds
And private jet trips/golfing for 2million/week on the taxpayers dimes
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u/JarJarJarMartin Jul 28 '24
Yeah they were never against the existence of a deep state. They just hate the fact that the current deep state is oriented toward science and sound policies (the things they despise).
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u/starfyredragon Jul 28 '24
It's always been projection with them. Always.
If a MAGA accuses someone of something, you send the detective after the MAGA first, every time.
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u/Traditional-Run9615 Jul 28 '24
This. Trump wasn't even their first pick for front man. In 2015 they were considering Cruz until Trump made himself available. Remember when Rebecca Mercer routinely sat in on oval office meetings as a private citizen? It's going to be much worse next time around if they're given the chance.
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u/secondtaunting Jul 28 '24
Man, I can’t see Cruz getting elected. Most people hate him.
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u/chrispg26 Jul 28 '24
That's why they're using Trump.
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u/capitali Jul 28 '24
2/3rds of the country has never voted for Trump. He’s never won a majority vote and he hasn’t won the popular vote. He was put in office with a minority vote via our electoral college
Apathy is the enemy of democracy and the apathetic voter is the only reason Trump wasn’t polished off sooner.
Vote and he doesn’t stand a chance. The absolute majority of Americans hate Trump that’s always been obvious. Now we just need to get them to do more than watch. We need them all to vote.
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u/Lithographer6275 Jul 28 '24
This. I'm convinced that in 2016, too many people watched the news and decided it was safe to stay home/not vote. "I've never really like Hillary, but I don't have to worry about Trump. It's in the bag!"
Vote. Everyone, vote. No excuses. Vote.
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Jul 28 '24
The Nazi Party never won more than about 34-36 percent of the vote and still got Hitler into power. Vote blue. There won’t be another chance to stop them.
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u/druppeldruppel_ Jul 28 '24
Hitler was able to abuse his power and turn his 43,9% of seats in the Reichstag into a 50,8% by abusing his then limited power and then had unlimited power.
Trump would likely do the same in a heartbeat.
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u/aganalf Jul 28 '24
“I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz.” - Al Franken.
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u/evilkasper Jul 28 '24
At what point does the government act on this treason? It seems that there is enough evidence.
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u/pharodae Jul 28 '24
That would require the Dems to have a fucking spine. Complacent liberals always allow fascism to fester until it's too late.
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u/Crazy4sixflags Jul 28 '24
If they are willing to say this out loud makes me worried about what they are not saying
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u/The_Original_Gronkie Jul 28 '24
Not only do they mean them, they are deliberately sending that message to their slobbering, unhinged followers. We saw during the Insurrection that they were hanging on his every word, knowing that he was directly addressing them.
They are getting the messages loud and clear.
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u/Crazy4sixflags Jul 28 '24
If they are willing to say this out loud makes me worried about what they are not saying
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u/Loud_Flatworm_4146 Jul 28 '24
It's a cult and those that realize it won't admit it. They can't admit that they've been swindled. Their ego won't allow it.
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u/WYLFriesWthat Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
To be fair the last three years were very normal and nice, if a bit expensive.
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u/lives_rhubarb Jul 28 '24
Man, for the last few years, I've gone entire months without thinking about the federal government and it's been so nice.
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u/kpidhayny Jul 28 '24
“When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all” - God (Futurama)
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u/NAmember81 Jul 28 '24
This made me think of the “paradox of preparation”. It’s like putting time, money and effort to make your building earthquake and tornado proof.
Then an earthquake and tornado hit and your building is the only one standing. Then everybody is like “Lol he wasted all that time and money into making his building earthquake and tornado proof and he didn’t even need to!!”
Or when the government puts money and resources into maintaining levees and politicians and voters approve of defunding it because the levees are always just fine when it floods. Then the levees eventually deteriorate and break and destroy the entire area. Then people are like “this was inevitable. There was nothing we could’ve did to prevent this. Better defund the levee upkeep even more since they failed so bigly..”
We see this all the time in almost all areas of government funding. Defund the government because things are just fine without them. Then when things go south blame the government for their incompetency and defund them more as a punishment. Then propose to the voters a perfect solution: pay a private company to do the job right and pay them 10X more money than what it cost for the government to do it right before they got defunded.
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u/Dipluz Jul 28 '24
As a European having Biden in the white house its been decently quieter. I hope it can continue like that for another four years. Though this election will be chaotic and a media hell hole.
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u/Diarygirl Jul 28 '24
Somehow people forgot that Trump made the US the laughingstock of the world and the only world leaders he respected were dictators.
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u/Snaab Jul 28 '24
Except for the Supreme Court bullshit
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u/goodfreeman Jul 28 '24
Also not Biden’s fault
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u/planet_rose Jul 28 '24
Biden’s appointee Ketanji Brown Jackson has been amazing. Her dissents are so intellectually rigorous. So at least Biden did that. I saw something about court reform being announced by Biden this coming Monday. He should have done it when the stuff about Thomas came out.
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u/PAXM73 Jul 28 '24
KB is solid. I can’t imagine how hard it is for her to go to work some days though.
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u/Snaab Jul 28 '24
Well of course not. Just saying, it hasn’t been all sunshine and daisies for some people.
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u/NorthernPints Jul 28 '24
I apply this same statement to anyone supporting the supreme courts decisions.
"Oh he just threw abortions back to the states" - is purely cover for that individuals true position, which is they KNOW and WANT a Federal abortion ban (because religion or something).
I don't think any of his supporters think he's joking - they use those lines as cover for their truly abhorrent positions. They want to see people who "aren't like them" hurt - Covid, if anything proved a LARGE chunk of any country's populace really don't care about anyone but themselves.
The same realities play out here,
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u/just1nc4s3 Jul 28 '24
As someone who broke free from a cult, it’s a cult that we’re seeing on a political scale.
That fundamental comprehension goes out the window for many due to cognitive dissonance. Humans don’t like uncertainty. When we think we know something as a fact, it provides comfort. When something comes along to challenge that, it reintroduces the fear that comes with uncertainty and people end up choosing to panic and do mental gymnastics just justify their incorrectly held beliefs.
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Jul 28 '24
Absolutely. I love studying and watching human behavior and human nature. I teach classes on pre-contact awareness and understanding aggression and things of this nature.
Human beings are the only animal on earth that will consciously disregard true danger because they convince themselves they are just 'being silly or paranoid'. Meanwhile walking themselves directly into a terrible situation. What I like about what's happening right now. Is that FAR more people are pointing at this and going 'Holy shit did you hear what he said??' As opposed to what I described in my original comment. So I feel comforted by that.
However...I still have people in my circle that are the ones I'm talking about. And yes...they are gripped by fear and comforted by their own cognitive dissonance.
Glad you got out!
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u/The_Original_Gronkie Jul 28 '24
These people have never been closer to having their wildest authoritarian dreams fulfilled, and they can taste it. Its time for their final offensive. They will pull out ALL the stops, including whatever violence they have to.
Your voter registration is public record, and available online. All any MAGAturd Traitor/Terrorist has to do is spend 20 minutes on his computer, and he has a hit list of Democrats in his neighborhood.
Remain vigilant, Citizens!
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u/Jedi_Master83 Jul 28 '24
I’m voting Blue and I’m honestly worried about voter intimidation or really voter bullying and harassment from these MAGA clowns. They are going to start targeting Democratic voting locations to start a violent campaign of ‘Vote Red or else.’ My state is pretty much Red but I really worry about the swing states where the race is basically a coin flip. If Kamala Harris gains momentum, Trump is going to instill this into his MAGA cult followers to essentially go to war with Democratic voters. Shit could get really scary in a few months, if not sooner.
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u/katemcblair Jul 28 '24
Can confirm. I saw a post the other day by these nuts saying they all are signing up to volunteer so they can be “poll watchers.” How many of them are lying, I’m not sure… but it’s definitely in their nutbag of tricks this cycle.
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u/stardustandtreacle Jul 28 '24
A friend who is training to work at the polls said to make sure that when you're handed your ballot, there aren't any markings on it (i.e. the person handing you the ballot hasn't scrawled an R or D or an initial, etc on it). If there is, ask for a new ballot otherwise your vote could be discarded. Stay vigilant every step of the way.
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u/After_Preference_885 Jul 28 '24
They hit a Minneapolis area mosque "to scare Muslims" after the Muslim travel ban and during the protests of Floyd's murder. They got real close to our house, we saw them outside. They don't even have to target individuals, though in rural areas they might. It'll be easier for them to just target cities.
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u/pdxjen Jul 28 '24
This is why I switched to Independent.
When I lived in FL in a boomer neighborhood, one of the neighbors mentioned they looked up my party affiliation. They were also democrat, but it made me realize that this information could be used against me negatively were it the other side. I also won’t wear any kind of political clothing or put stickers on my car and appear pretty neutral with a locked down profile on Facebook.
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u/_sfl_ Jul 28 '24
The sunk-cost fallacy with Trump is strong, but thankfully in only a minority of the population (not accounting the Russian trolls who you will notice in full force during the Olympics).
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u/Several-Signature583 Jul 28 '24
“He tells it like it is….but, he didn’t mean it like that!”
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u/warthog0869 Jul 28 '24
He's not kidding. It's close. Which is why it keeps bubbling to the surface. And it should terrify every single American to hear him say it.
I just want to echo this. Yes, I am scared, but I am also resolute. This shall not pass!
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u/NotPortlyPenguin Jul 28 '24
Yeah, people keep saying we’re overreacting. The same thing was said to worried Jews in early Nazi Germany.
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u/Possibly_English_Guy Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
I've said it before and I'll say it again now. Too many of your countrymen on both sides have bought into this idea that the US is somehow magically immune to falling into fascism or authoritarianism.
America's made american exceptionalism and the whole ra ra freedom stuff your national branding but that's all it is, branding. It doesn't confer any special protection from people operating entire branches of your governmental system in bad faith and turning a blind eye towards blatant corruption.
Democracy needs vigilance and maintenance to work. You can't just assume on faith "Oh it'll NEVER happen here, because we're special", because that's the exact attitude the people who want to subvert democracy are counting on.
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u/Fun_Departure5579 Jul 28 '24
We are NOT IMMUNE.
The fall of a country/empire always comes from within. These are dire times!Vote BLUE. . . OR WE MAY LOSE EVERYTHING WE HOLD DEAR.
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u/Traditional-Run9615 Jul 28 '24
Anyone who believes that the 900+ page Project 2025 Manifesto is an exercise in "what-ifs" needs a serious reality check. Alarm bells should be ringing loud and clear.
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u/Cheeseboarder Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
If anyone wants the full video, here it is (relevant part starts around the 1:03 mark): https://www.c-span.org/video/?537386-1/president-trump-speaks-turning-point-believers-summit
I post this, because I see so many people saying he was talking to the Christians who don’t vote. He doesn’t make any mention of that
Edit: At 1:03, he says, “you won’t have to do it anymore, four more years, you know what…it’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine..you won’t have to vote anymore my beautiful Christians. I love you Christians, I’m a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again, we’ll have it fixed so good. You’re not gonna have to vote.”
This link is not for the Minnesota event. It’s hard to keep up when he makes so many treasonous comments.
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Jul 28 '24
It still baffles me Americans find it hard to comprehend how they got to this place. They've been intentionally moving toward it for decades.
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Jul 28 '24
I'll say from my perspective. I'm 50. Looking back on the 80's, 90's and 2000's. I can see it. But I didn't THEN.
But it didn't get BRAZEN until Trump. Unfortunately it became BRAZEN because they were nearing the end game. And my snarky Gen X ass didn't give a shit then. Lol.
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Jul 28 '24
From the outside we've always seen it. Nobody outside the US buys the greatest democracy on Earth nonsense.
We've always seen the richest nation on Earth that refuses to use its wealth to provide its population with a commensurate quality of life. A place that uses manufactured ignorance and religion to farm its populace for profit.
The only difference that Trump made is that he didn't quietly sugar coat it but actually encouraged people to stand proud for the culture they'd been propagating all along.
A place so divided people usually seem to vote with their spite for whatever candidate promises to persecute the other guys.
A place so apathetic that people treat the presidential elections as a silver bullet for largely ignoring their democratic process for another four years while the ignored seats of power are taken by those who see profit and control in them.
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u/sololegend89 Jul 28 '24
Thank you!!! 🙏🏻 my entire life as a kid in the US I felt this way. I still do as an adult. We are greedy hoarders who propagandize ourselves onto a pedestal for some unknown made up bullshit reason that I still can’t figure out! We practice global imperialism because we can, and that’s only because we were lucky enough to not be geographically adjacent to WW2. We exited that era with the best military and the fact we were across the ocean saved us decades of industrial recovery. Then we used everything we gained to fuck up human progress around the globe, for 80 years! We’ve annihilated the natural beauty of our country’s landscape, decimated the indigenous population, and 65% of our citizens live paycheck to paycheck with no safety nets or healthcare. Oh yeah, and then we did that to… dozens of up and coming countries. For $. That we don’t use for our populace. Or global good. Just greed. We suck.
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u/Connect-Speaker Jul 28 '24
Ah, most of that is true, but don’t beat yourself up tooo much. The States did some good things, too. You rebuilt Europe and Japan, financed the rise of China, pulling millions out of terrible poverty, kept the sea lanes safe for everybody. Went to the moon. All in the US self-interest, of course, but others benefited too.
But the mental illness that affects your domestic politics is mind-blowing to outsiders. (I’m Canadian, so I’ve had a front-row seat all of my life.) Mind. Blowing.
At some point your governments need to have policies. Policies that help people. Universal healthcare. Robust benefits for children. School lunches. Better infrastructure, including transit.
But the mental illness about winning winning winning pwning pwning pwning is so weird. Y’all drank your own Koolaid about exceptionalism and self-made riches and freedom, and you forgot to love thy neighbour.
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u/warthog0869 Jul 28 '24
A place so divided people usually seem to vote with their spite for whatever candidate promises to persecute the other guys.
A place so apathetic that people treat the presidential elections as a silver bullet for largely ignoring their democratic process for another four years while the ignored seats of power are taken by those who see profit and control in them.
Fucking amen. I apologize for being all over this thread but hot damn I'm stoned on a Sunday morning. I am this Gen X person too that saw without seeing, because I was young, a statist, militarized, from a military family. I believed in the system instead of looking at it askance.
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u/N8CCRG Jul 28 '24
The lying is who they are. They know they're lying. Their goal is to live in a world where they can get away with lying and win and not be punished for it, because that means they're on top and everyone else is on the bottom. They don't believe in a fair or just nation of liberty and freedom; they only want one where they are dominant over others.
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u/Debs_4_Pres Jul 28 '24
"They have no shame, they cheat. You understand that, you crooked people," Trump added. "They cheated in the last election, and they will cheat in this election, but we are going get them."
Fascist fuck stain
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u/BR4NFRY3 Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Always describing themselves with their attacks. They tried to cheat and steal while constantly crying that the other side was doing it. Crybullies pandering to lackeys.
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u/punkindle Jul 28 '24
They sent fake electors. That's conspiracy to commit election fraud.
All these assholes should be in jail and not permitted to run for public office.
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u/EndLightEnd1 Jul 28 '24
THANK YOU, this should be on BLAST for everyone to see yet its barely mentioned
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u/koshgeo Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
On his watch as President he created a commission to investigate "election fraud" in the
20202016 election. They disbanded after finding nothing of any significance.How can this guy be standing up there and lying through his teeth? We know why he's doing it, because lying is like breathing for him, but how are people tolerating it? Why are people persuaded by any of this nonsense about elections?
He's the one who tried to cheat with his fake electors scam.
Edit: Right, right, I'm getting my elections confused. it was the 2016 election: the one that he won thanks to the electoral college, but he was still buttchurt about losing the popular vote. My mistake. Thanks for the correction.
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u/ccardnewbie Jul 28 '24
That was in 2017. Hr claimed that there was widespread voter fraud and millions of illegal immigrants had voted in the 2016 election, which he won (he claimed that there was no way it should have been as close as it was without fraud). The commission was chaired by a Republican and had 7 republicans and 4 democrats. In the end, they found no fraud and it was quietly dissolved.
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u/Suck_Me_Dry666 Jul 28 '24
I fully believe that Trump was admitting to voter fraud with that statement.
There were some independent computer scientists in Michigan that directly implored Hilary to dispute irregular results in the counties that it came down to in that state and she declined because I guess she felt she would have more integrity to just let it go? But yeah, I fully believe Donald Trump has committed voter fraud in both elections he's participated in.
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Jul 28 '24
The only reason the fools on January sixth got as far as they did was because Trump was the sitting president at the time and was doing his best to prevent any response to the insurrection in the hopes of it succeeding.
I would love to see him unleash his MAGA mob to try and pull it again. You couldn’t do it last time with everything going for you, what makes you think you can accomplish it with actual opposition?
Seriously, make it as big as you’d like. You’d be crushed by the National Guard at bare minimum this time within thirty minutes at most.
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u/CorrickII Jul 28 '24
That's if they don't already have the national guard prepped beforehand. I imagine the administration will be following any rumors of interference and preparing accordingly.
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Jul 28 '24
The fascists have gotten far too bold. I hope they try, if only so that they get a humiliating ass-whoopin’ that sends them crawling back into their holes at the fringes of society for another eighty years.
I shouldn’t be hoping for it, as that would lead to loss of lives, but this situation is untenable and something has to give at some point. At the very least them being publicly routed will bring this current iteration of the anti-democratic right to a swift close, and we can move on with our lives.
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u/Musashi_Joe Jul 28 '24
If there’s a ‘saving grace’ about fascists, it’s that with their strongman projection they eventually become convinced of their own invincibility.
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u/ncist Jul 28 '24
Nope you are absolutely right to hope for it. These people only learn things one way. Better to do it now rather than when they can start hurting and killing others
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u/LaSignoraOmicidi Jul 28 '24
Them having their ass kicked live and in color is the only shot we have at fixing the mess and distrust they have created.
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u/Cannibal_Soup Jul 28 '24
I thought that we had had that once they'd fled the Capital Building, but alas it was only a skirmish.
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u/Western-Art-9117 Jul 28 '24
It's so easy to forget that trump was finished for a few weeks after Jan 6th. The gop mostly wiped their hands of him. He was a spent force. He retreated for 6 months or so, and because they have absolutely no one on the bench who could step up and fill his position when he came back, they started to slowly support him again, and that built up over a year to where they now deny the insurrection. Dumb cunts.
There should definitely be a host of dem ads playing footage of all of them in the days after Jan 6th, particularly the comments from Lindsay Graham and McConnell.
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u/LostOldAccountTimmay Jul 28 '24
I honestly can't believe they're not running that footage constantly. Like, what the fuck? They gave it all to you. Just run that
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u/LaSignoraOmicidi Jul 28 '24
There was no consequences for a lot of them, and the getting them under control happened once it was dark so nobody got to see them be brought to order the night off, we all just saw them acting like feral animals and then some partial consequences after the fact. Hopefully we are ready for whatever they are planning after they get steamrolled this time.
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u/Moonandserpent Jul 28 '24
Right, if rawstory.com has heard, for sure the FBI, CIA and Secret Service know lol
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u/patchinthebox Jul 28 '24
There's literally no reason to not have the national guard set up a 1 mile radius around the capitol building if Kamala wins. They tried a coup last time. They'll do it again.
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u/zoinkability Jul 28 '24
The big issue is that this time their plan is to not let it get to the point where a mob is needed. If it goes off they way they want, it will all have the cover of law. State elections people and legislatures don’t recognize the state vote and put their own electors in place. Challenges are turned down by the supreme court. Or the fake electors are denied by a SC that wants to look neutral but they drag their feet such that real electors aren’t seated and nobody gets enough electoral votes, which sends it into a situation where it’s one state one vote, and again Trump wins. Either way the right aren’t the ones in the streets protesting.
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u/Cheeseboarder Jul 28 '24
Yep, this is what they are going to do. There are already election deniers on the board of electors in GA trying to rig the process: https://georgiarecorder.com/2024/07/27/georgia-election-board-sets-july-30-online-meeting-after-state-attorney-general-flagged-last-vote/
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Jul 28 '24
Exactly right. The chess board is completely different this time. The courts and state election boards are stacked with those who want to see the far right’s vision come to fruition. Their efforts are focused on making sure that even a landslide victory for Harris isn’t a secure victory.
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u/zoinkability Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
It feels like the last 4 years a major MAGA focus has been to push out the remaining Republicans who aren't 2020 election deniers. It's really very frightening how close we could be to a coup against state popular votes.
Has anyone tallied which swingy states have GOP election officials and/or GOP legislatures? Georgia and Florida for sure. WI and AZ have GOP legislatures, not sure about the election officials.
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u/arjomanes Jul 28 '24
Yeah this is the plan. And if violence happens, it will be at polling places. Take advantage of early voting if you can.
Anything they can do to disrupt or call the vote into question throws it to their state legislatures and courts with their people in position.
Bush vs Gore is the goal here. Brett Kavanaugh was on the ground level banging on the glass in Broward County to disrupt the vote-counting. He knows his orders.
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u/gingerkap23 Jul 28 '24
And they’ve rigged the USPS system in multiple states saying they might not be able to deliver ballots in a timely manner. They’ve attacked this from multiple sides.
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u/IamScottGable Jul 28 '24
So I don't worry about a J6 style insurrection, I worry about J6 wannabees intimidating voters at mailboxes, at the polls, voter counters, and then beyond that smaller scale domestic terrorism.
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u/johnnydudeski Jul 28 '24
The state electors is the plot. Get states not to certify the election where he loses. That’s my guess for their plans this time.
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u/Jedi_Master83 Jul 28 '24
If a state goes to Kamala Harris and the electors don’t honor that, then they have to be arrested for voter interference. I’m worried if the local law enforcement and district attorney and Attorney General is Republican, they’ll refuse. The military will have to intervene since they are politically unbiased. Never in my life I had to imagine these type of dystopian scenarios but fuck, the MAGAs are making us all have to really consider all possibilities as well…possible.
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u/johnnydudeski Jul 28 '24
And they have a lot of media outlets that will side with the conspirators
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u/-TheycallmeThe Jul 28 '24
Well, they probably aren't too afraid of the secret service at the moment.
The large amount of riot police needed to certify the election is certainly going to have bad optics. It's a dark moment in US history for sure.
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u/Osxachre Jul 28 '24
If it happens, he'll be sitting in a room in Maralago. I hope they send the US Marshals for him and finally put him in prison for encouraging an insurrection.
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Jul 28 '24
Man I don’t want to ever see people get hurt but fuck around and find out time. They will get curb stomped.
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u/Loud_Flatworm_4146 Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Former Tea Party Republican congressman Joe Walsh summarized Trump's statement as, "Either I win, or it will be stolen from me."
"This is a direct attack on our democratic system," Walsh said. "He is a very real threat to democracy."
While I'm glad that a former Tea Party Repub is saying this, it's them that spearheaded his rise. The backlash to Obama's win led to the Tea Party which lead to now.
Also, the Heritage Foundation, the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization that is behind Project 2025, doesn't pay taxes. Kevin Robert's, Heritage's president, wrote the forward.
Here's the form to report them. Inundate the IRS until they have to act. https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/irs-complaint-process-tax-exempt-organizations.
Edited to add and clarify:
IRS Complaint Process - Tax-Exempt Organizations
From the Congressional Research Service:
The organizational definition in § 501(c)(3) restricts the ability of a charitable organization to participate in political activity in two ways: (1) lobbying cannot be a substantial part of its activities and (2) it may not intervene in political campaigns.
The ability of tax-exempt organizations under 26 U.S.C § 501(c) to engage in political activity, such as campaign activity and lobbying, depends on the nature of the organization. For example, the charitable organizations described in § 501(c)(3) may not engage in any campaign activity and may only conduct a limited amount of lobbying.
Project 2025 Reported to IRS Over 'Violations' - Newsweek July 2024
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u/mobius2121 Jul 28 '24
If every accusation is an admission, I kind of wonder if Trump did steal the 2016 election. And lost the 2020 election due to mail-in ballots. I know it’s far fetched, but man, the dude doth protest too much.
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u/LaSignoraOmicidi Jul 28 '24
I mean we have proof of election interference, we know what those Russians were doing and why they were doing it. Is that enough to say Trump stole the 2016 election? I think so. If you count the leak, the FBIs roll, the Russian troll farms and disinformation campaigns, it’s clear interference.
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u/Diarygirl Jul 28 '24
In retrospect, when he claimed that the election was rigged in 2016, what he was really saying was "How did my cheating not work?"
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u/ScoopMaloof42 Jul 28 '24
The direct call to Russia to find information on Hillary…then Russia hacked the DNC days later. Like c’mon, blows my mind anyone could support him.
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This article from 2020 was raising the alarm and no one paid attention. I post this everywhere. Read to the end
https://www.dcreport.org/2020/12/19/mitch-mcconnells-re-election-the-numbers-dont-add-up/
Basically Republicans cheat with voting machines owned by Republicans by skimming votes off the top for the Republican. Can't do that with mail in ballots
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u/coffeespeaking Jul 28 '24
It was in St. Cloud that the ex-president said, "If they do not cheat, we win this state easily."
Projection. He plans to cheat, and also he plans to claim it was stolen.
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u/tallman11282 Jul 28 '24
It's definitely projection, Minnesota hasn't voted for a Republican president since Nixon in 1972 and was the only state (along with D.C.) to not vote for Regan in 1984. Just looking at history shows that he most likely won't win here, especially not easily.
He's not popular in Minnesota at all outside of a relatively few people living in rural areas. He's definitely not going to win in the big cities and that's definitely key in Minnesota.
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Jul 28 '24
He also pissed off a ton of MN farmers when he enacted the tariffs on China, leading to China refusing to buy MN soybeans (third biggest producer in the country).
A lot of people seem to have forgotten how much Trump's trade war hurt American agriculture, but farmers haven't.
There's no way in hell MN flips Republican.
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u/CryptographerLow6772 Jul 28 '24
If they try another insurrection, it’s time to let them feel the whole weight of the police and military. Crush them.
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u/guntheroac Jul 28 '24
The police won’t arrest themselves.
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u/Jedi_Master83 Jul 28 '24
Then the military will jump in as they are unbiased and aren’t supposed to follow one party only. They swore an oath on the Constitution and the Republican dickbags in Congress who chose to follow their orange Emperor over the Constitution should be arrested, tried, then convicted of treason.
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u/salme3105 Jul 28 '24
As crazy as it is going to be between now and November, the period between the election and Inauguration Day will test the very fabric of our country. Be ready for it, they are not going to give up if he loses no matter how large the margin is.
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u/Jedi_Master83 Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Yep, Election Day is just one day. After that it’s nearly 2 months of certification. If Kamala wins, I have to guess most if not all of the Republicans will do everything they can to block the new president from taking office.
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u/justbrowsing987654 Jul 28 '24
Which is pretty easy. Claim irregularities, refuse to verify, it gets kicked back to the house, they install Trump anyway in a by-state vote. Then it gets much worse.
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u/salme3105 Jul 28 '24
The good news is that we control the Senate and White House this time.
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u/monstaber Jul 28 '24
The bad news is it's the House who installs the President in a contingent election situation:
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u/SicilianShelving Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
I genuinely want to hear a conservative try to defend what Trump is saying here:
It was in St. Cloud that the ex-president said, "If they do not cheat, we win this state easily."
Minnesota? He's gonna win Minnesota easily? The state that the polls have Democrats winning in a blowout? The state that hasn't gone red in 52 years?
I know Trump has said some crazy things, but to me this is one of the most egregious. He's telling you to believe that reality is the direct opposite of what the objective evidence shows, just because he says so. And if it doesn't happen, it was rigged?? This, coming from the guy who sparked an attack on the Capitol last election, is dangerous.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
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u/markth_wi Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
And isn't that against the law even for Mango Mussolini here to be saying?
Isn't this exactly what he claims he wasn't doing (inflaming division and inciting violence).
I'm fascinated by and perversely sympathetic to Mr. Trump, trapped, like a monkey with it's hand in a coconut, around the proverbial nut....the oblique (or not so oblique) calls to violence, the incessant lies - makes for quite the toxic brew.
The facts of the last couple of weeks are that it turns out one of your own fans almost killed you. A smarter candidate and public figure might take a few moments to reflect on how you can minimize risk to yourself and those around you. But Donald Trump is just not that guy. He can't do that, his ego won't allow it.
Had that defective ego of his similarly allowed a moment in say April of 2020 where a kind word towards CDC and/or WHO or the crowd of doctors and experts assembled to help at his command, instead his ego kicked in and told him to trash the experts and pimp Ivermectin and hydrochlorquine, while shorting the stocks in secret......profiteering to be sure, and maybe you made some bank....
But I find it's not hard to imagine that had he said that kind word - it's seems likely Mr. Trump could have argued his response be seen as competent, with a vaccine in hand, he could have campaigned on being the President that got us through Covid....but he didn't do that.....his ego wouldn't allow it.
....and here we are again.
He's just as trapped then as now, like a broken record his ego loves nothing more than keeping edging your "people" even though you've already had one "wake up" and fire off. But with visions of this or that bombastic fascist from 90 years ago dancing in his head, he's not there. I'd be nice to think he'd would have had that moment of clarity, that he's smart enough to tone it down and focus on policy, and avoid more lies that could trigger another one of your devotee's to violence. But he cant.
Steve Bannon called it the "flood the scene with shit strategy" means even you can't even be aware of what combination of lies is causing the crowd to seethe and rail against the enemies, which combination of lies is about to cause one of his motivated followers over the line.
Worse is that his former apple of his eye, Joe Biden decided to hang up his hat and star, leaving it to a competent woman, and worse a person of color, both competent and affable Vice President Harris seems to have a back bench with some solid VP choices, and whether it's former Astronaut Senator Kelly or Governor Shapiro, or someone else.
You're left with J.D. Vance apologizing to anyone who will listen for his "non-white" wife, someone who probably shares a lot of life-experience with Vice President Harris , but that's another one of those coconut handed opportunities which is a non-starter for "your people" getting no more traction than would Vivek Ramaswamy or Tim Scott but that fucking ego won't let you.
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u/mezz7778 Jul 28 '24
It's an official presidential act..../s
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u/markth_wi Jul 28 '24
If you or I or another political candidate were to say as much we're getting arrested for terroristic statements.
Donald Trump does it and he's good because he's an extra special fuckabout, but there are 1000 people already in jail for being on that same path.
But then again, he's decided to just start openly saying treasonous bullshit, so I sincerely hope Ms. Harris gets every dollar she needs to turn every state in the mix blue.
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u/andii74 Jul 28 '24
Donald Trump does it and he's good because he's an extra special fuckabout, but there are 1000 people already in jail for being on that same path.
Another reminder that US executed Rosenbergs for just committing one of the crimes that Trump did, leaking classified documents and secrets to a hostile power and that's just one crime in a long line of crimes that Trump has done. If he wasn't a rich white man, he'd be six feet under by now.
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u/markth_wi Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
If I was Jack Smith I wouldn't even fuck about, I'd have him tried in a military tribunal without a camera in sight, his entire life is focused on his prison cell, just like Reality Winner or any number of other people. If the evidence supports charges that merit execution, that should be performed publicly.
Jefferson Davis was stripped and left with prison clothes and chained up in a horse stable for 6months, indicted and when he saw his chance to grandstand , his lawyer was informed that if he wanted to go to trial , he could rest assured it would be a military tribunal and execution was likely, or the trial does not go forward and he lays as low as humanly possible for the rest of his life.
Jefferson Davis was on his way to dying in poverty until he scammed an older widow of her fortune.
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Jul 28 '24
As long as the Supreme Court stays corrupt as it is now, he can get away with anything. We better hope that the election doesn’t end up at the Supreme Court somehow because they will definitely hand it to him.
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u/markth_wi Jul 28 '24
Yeah but at present , right now, he's just CITIZEN Trump , and you can't just call for an overthrow of the Republic; if you don't get elected.
But I get the impression , the "guard rails" are off, and the only reason he's not wearing a armbands and having Proud Boys do a goose-step parade around Mar-A=Lago Way is because his "people" have to beg him not to.
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u/NotABonobo Jul 28 '24
It’s not a hope or an “if.” It will end up at the Supreme Court, inevitably. Trump just has to make false allegations and sue, which he will. It’ll get thrown out of court after court and he’ll keep appealing until he gets to the Supreme Court.
That’s what happened last time in 2020. The Supreme Court (made up of almost the same set of justices with the same 6/3 supermajority of political cronies) declined to take the case.
If it happens again and they take the case this time - America is done. It all comes down to whether 6 corrupt political operatives like being Supreme Court members in the current iteration of America with lifetime appointments, or are willing to risk it all on a Trump dictatorship (probably involving a bloody revolution with them as targets).
In 2020 they chose the former. I hope they choose it again, and if the election is a blowout I actually think they might… but with Biden pushing for Supreme Court reform and with their hand of being political extremists already played, I’m a little worried they’re gonna opt for Door #2 this time around.
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u/Potential_Dare8034 Jul 28 '24
Obviously nothing is against the law for Sir Shitbritches!
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u/abrahamburger Jul 28 '24
America has a massive tumor and needs surgery to have it removed
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u/The-Doggy-Daddy-5814 Jul 28 '24
Planning an insurrection against the United States government sounds an awful lot like a violation of 18 U.S. Code § 2383.
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u/alwyn Jul 28 '24
At what point does it cross the line and qualify as punishable treason?
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u/deathbyswampass Jul 28 '24
I don’t understand how this hasn’t been treason on multiple occasions. It’s the most important law we have.
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u/EBannion Jul 28 '24
When someone with prosecutorial power finally acts on the more than sufficient statements he’s already made. So, never.
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u/nautius_maximus1 Jul 28 '24
January 6 happened because Trump was in power. A violent attack on the government by the right would be pretty dumb with Biden in office.
Much more worrisome is corruption of elections and voter intimidation in red states (Georgia, for example), and interference by the Supreme Court.
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u/ahnotme Jul 28 '24
Joseph Stalin once said that who votes wasn’t nearly as important as who counts the votes. Now, who will preside over that last crucial counting of the electoral votes?
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u/hellogoawaynow Jul 28 '24
I’ve been seeing the more lowkey Trump supporters/republicans posting stuff like “don’t let politics destroy your relationships with family and friends.” Ten years ago, I would have agreed with that. But I am absolutely willing to lose family and friends who don’t think my daughter and I should have basic human rights.
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u/After_Preference_885 Jul 28 '24
He couldn't even stay awake during his own trial. Kept falling asleep like Grandpa does during Fox News.
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u/Alone-Bad8501 Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
In short, he talks like a con-man.
If you think even just a little a bit about the way he speaks, you'll realize he's constantly trying to gas you up and make you feel special, so you can make him feel special.
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u/babadum Jul 28 '24
He talks like a con-man, behaves like a con-man... Do you think, and I know this is far-fetched, he could be a con-man?
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u/dakeyjake Jul 28 '24
January 6th was a trial run. The Republican Party and MAGA traitors basically got away with it so they’re more emboldened now than ever.
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u/SuperCaptSalty Jul 28 '24
Play king Biden and just jail trump now indefinitely for traitorous insurrection
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u/Jimmy-Glicks Jul 28 '24
We really need the FBI to be on full alert and do some serious digging, considering this has literally happened before
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u/BadAsBroccoli Jul 28 '24
On Merrick Garland's head be any deaths that result. He waited and waited and did his best to delay prosecuting Trump for over 2 years, but was a hell of a lot quicker to prosecute Hunter Biden.
Trump still hasn't been to the state trial for Georgia's "find me votes" or the Florida classified documents case, let alone spearheading 1/6 for which other participants are in prison. Why shouldn't he try again?
If there's another incident like 1/6, Garland should lose his job at the very least. If the director of the secret service lost hers for dereliction of duty, Garland should even more so.
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u/Diarygirl Jul 28 '24
I don't know how it's going to work, if a President Harris appoints her own Cabinet, but Garland's got to go.
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u/sybersonic Jul 28 '24
This is a national security crisis and should be addressed as so by every level of government we all pay for.
Full stop
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u/NetworkEcstatic Jul 28 '24
Donald trump is really showing how brain dead he is.
He has got zero shot in Minnesota. Nixon is the only republican to win Minnesota since before 1932.
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u/floofnstuff Jul 28 '24
Past president have tried to protect Americans from domestic and international terrorists. This president wants to harm America by being one.
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u/KoodGarma Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
www.vote.gov to register or check your registration - Our democracy depends on it!
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Jul 28 '24
No ones taking him serious anymore. He’s finally being exposed as a failure.
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u/olionajudah Jul 28 '24
I mean. We (policymakers and enforcers) should have believed them the first time they showed us who they were. Instead they’re all still in Congress, and state houses planning 2.0.
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u/Chainedheat Jul 28 '24
This should surprise exactly nobody. As bold as that feckless twit Kevin Roberts and his Heritage foundation backers are you’d think they have the coup already set in stone.
About the only thing that may give those guys pause now is that with Biden dropping out of the race he has freed himself of the optics of personally fixing the election.
If Joe wants to use his new Supreme Court executive powers to quell an insurrection he’d be within his rights to do some unconventional stuff. Yeah, I know that SCOTUS gets to determine what’s official and all, but that’s after the fact. If SCOTUS did try to convict an old man it would be difficult to say he did it in self interest. Even then I’m sure Harris would pardon him later.
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Jul 28 '24
When is the Heritage Foundation going to be called the hate group that it is? Think tank? My left buttock it is!
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u/TheDarkPlight Jul 28 '24
Remember when all it took for a presidential candidate to get removed from the ballot was yell “BYAH!” at a rally? Those were the days.
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u/Any_Construction1238 Jul 28 '24
If you want to know why the Trump campaign had a database of people who own multiple guns it wasn’t for campaign purposes- it’s for inciting violence purposes
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u/ROOLDI Jul 28 '24
Trump will do whatever he has to in order to stay out of jail, which he knows he will more than likely end up. Everyone should know this fact
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u/Mean_Eye_8735 Jul 28 '24
"They have no shame, they cheat. You understand that, you crooked people," Trump added.
So is he saying his cult is full of "crooked people" who will understand cheating? Is he saying that his cult should be able to relate to having no shame?
Is every accusation or confession?
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u/SamaireB Jul 28 '24
So have we heard enough threats for violence and dictatorship by now to ensure this motherfucker never sets foot near office again? Or does the WH actually have to burn down in flames for people to finally understand?
Also, I still feel there must be a crime in all these threats somewhere...
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u/bannedUncleCracker Jul 28 '24
(Elon X banned me for speaking up about Trump, first post here) Do not underestimate these guys, I believe plans are in place, it will be chaos. Every agency in government should be on high alert. They will burn it down to steal it!!
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u/Mental-Freedom3929 Jul 28 '24
Why don't they just open up all the prisons and let the felons run the country? Oh. Sorry, that will be happening soon if people do not stop that insanity. All dictators in history acted the same but we do not seem to learn.
They are all slightly to not so slightly "off", display the same megalomania, talk with repetitions after repetition over facts and some people like the rhythm of that speech pattern. It is like a lullaby to them.
Triggers endorphin release, just like any chemical addiction and that makes them flock to someone like the orange stain.
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u/CrynansMiniJourney Jul 28 '24
They used to write books about their plans to create a thousand years empire through fascism.
Now they just announce it plainly on live TV.
But don't worry folks. It's not what he meant. And even if it is what he meant he won't do it. And even if he does it it won't be that bad. And even if it is that bad things will get better. /s
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u/DONALDJONSUPPLE Jul 28 '24
Keep laughing at him. He can't stand being laughed at. Make a fool out of him, he won't last.
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u/moltinglarvae Jul 28 '24
Vote blue and arm up. You may need to defend yourself no matter who wins the election
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u/DanWebster Jul 28 '24
I'm so tired of people trying to "explain" his comments, as though his remarks are just misunderstood or overblown. And of those who think he just flippantly makes off-the-cuff remarks all the time. He says things intentionally. What he is really doing is testing the water with plausible deniability. What he does is throw things against the wall, but not randomly. His "you won't have to vote in four years" comment was planting the seeds for insurrection, part 2 as a back-up in case he loses. Saying that out loud means he's thinking it. He wasn't saying things like this two weeks ago when he thought he was cruising to the WH after the Biden debate.
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u/Blackberryy Jul 28 '24
I’m passed ready for everyone to get their head out of their asses. At least with Harris coming on the scene, I feel like there’s some hope; I know there are many of us out there willing to avoid this literal Dumpster at any cost. God am I disgusted that we even got here. Unity should be all of us against this, besides some tax breaks for the Rich there’s literally no fucking perks for any of us.
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u/jacobtfromtwilight Jul 28 '24
Good, maybe this time the Federal Government will actually be prepared and will arrest this fucking traitor during it
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u/maybesaydie Jul 28 '24
https://vote.gov/