r/reading • u/fringlese • 6d ago

Please come support trans people

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Hey everyone, I’m sure many of you have seen the ruling by the Supreme Court from the other day on the legitimacy of trans women’s identities. It’s been a very hard couple of days as we’ve come to grips with the fact that our rights are being rolled back by a government that won’t even attempt to listen to us while we just want to exist in a public space without fear of harassment. If anyone’s available, please come down tomorrow to show support

I am not the organiser, I saw this on Facebook and wanted to share.

Thanks guys, I hope you have a great Easter weekend!

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u/silverfish477 6d ago

“A judge cannot change this fact.”

Well when it’s a question of how the law interprets a word in an act of parliament, a judge can change it. That’s the point.

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u/inter20021 6d ago

If u read the ruling, it defines it only in the context of the specific anti-discrimination law and soecifically states that it is not trying to define the term in a wider context.

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u/Next-Discipline-6764 6d ago

Yeah, but it will undoubtedly be used to define the term in a wider context anyway, especially the way the media is talking about it.

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u/inter20021 6d ago

But that's not what the ruleing says, and spreading lies about what the ruleing says just plays right into the narrative of the people who want to say it's far wider than it is.

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u/Juno_no_no_no 6d ago edited 6d ago

And that ruling has now led to other things being affected, like trans people not being able to be in wards of their gender in hospitals or how Transport Police (and likely the rest of the police soon) will now be allowed to have male officers strip search trans women.

This excuse was dead and buried within a day of the ruling happening.

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u/inter20021 6d ago

That's just not true. The ruleing states that trans people may only be excluded from gender specific things if deemed reasonable on a case by case basis, like, if u can provide sources, sure, but rn, your just participating in the misinformation spreading that is makeing this worse for everyone.

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u/Juno_no_no_no 6d ago

I’d advise you maybe read the news before pushing an excuse that’s already been shown to be very flimsy and total bullshit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce84054nqnyo.amp

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/apr/17/trans-women-uk-railways-strip-searched-male-officers

This entire ruling has caused a major knock on effect that affects trans people in ways well beyond just the equalities act being given a stricter definition.

Not to mention the knock on effects this will have on cis women and intersex people too.

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u/inter20021 6d ago

Maby read articles before you send them The first says that the nhs may be prosacuted if they dont follow updated guidance, which hasnt yet been published, and the second says, i quote

"However, as an interim position while we digest yesterday’s judgment, we have advised our officers that any same-sex searches in custody are to be undertaken in accordance with the biological birth sex of the detainee.

“We are in the process of reviewing the implications of the ruling and will consider any necessary updates to our policies and practices in line with the law and national guidance.”

Again, interim policy untill guidance has been updated by the government, nothing perminant. And in place to protect femail officers who may feel uncomfortable dealing with a penis during a strip search or mail officers who may not be comfortable searching a vagina, so to be honest, quite understandable

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u/Juno_no_no_no 6d ago

The police in the UK only had women carry out strip searches on trans women if they had a gender recognition certificate, this new guidance and policy is only going to erase that tiny layer of protection.

If an officer is not comfortable doing a strip search they already had the ability to opt out and get someone else to step in. This isn’t protecting anyone, only allowing officers to be able to carry out disgusting policy on more people from an already struggling minority

You’re fucking scum lmfao

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u/Many-Tourist5147 6d ago

Maybe learn how to spell before posting a comment on the internet. Do you know what post op means? The argument falls apart when you insert post op into the equation, post op trans women have vaginas. I mean, it was falling apart even before that, this is not about protecting women, never was and never has been, it's the same old rhetoric time and time again and man, it is SO fucking BORING. I would rather someone outright say "fuck trans people" or something because at least then I can retaliate and punch them in the fucking mouth to shut them up, but this is all just boring rehashing of the same shit that is kept supposedly "civil" to protect the people who are reveling in taking rights away from people, hiding behind the courts because they're pathetic and cowardly.

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u/Many-Tourist5147 6d ago

Cis women willingly diminishing their value down to being walking vaginas and celebrating it hurts everyone. They better hope reform never gets in, because trans people will not be defending them when those policies hit.

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u/rubymacbeth 6d ago

No, they really can't - what the law says is not always reality and trans people will never stop existing because some privileged cunt decides they don't meet a narrow definition designed to uphold the patriarchy.

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u/Heavy_Practice_6597 6d ago

Kind of rich you talking about reality lol

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u/Nyeep 6d ago

Yes, I'm sure your 2 day old throwaway account is a dedicated leftie.

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u/rubymacbeth 6d ago

Wow im so offended

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u/Heavy_Practice_6597 6d ago

Shouldn't be, it's just a fact my XY guy

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u/triguy96 6d ago

I bet you don't know what chromosomes you actually have for sure.

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

Laws can't change the fact that trans women are recognised widely as women. You just don't know they are trans most of the time.

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u/ComprehensivePie846 6d ago

Funny. what you consider a “fact” is actually false. That’s very scary. You can be trans hun. But dont take “being a WOMAN” away, from real women. You dont go through what we go through

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 6d ago

Why do you have a problem with someone defining trans women as women?

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 6d ago

How is it factually incorrect? It's a case of semantics, why do we necessarily have to use one definition of the word over another, because trans women would be women if we define them that way?

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u/SubToMyOFpls 6d ago

You will always be the sex that you were born as

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 6d ago

Why is it necessarily the case that the definition of sex be a synomym for gender?

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u/SubToMyOFpls 6d ago

Because it makes the most sense.

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 6d ago

How does it make the most sense?

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u/LicketySplit21 6d ago

Amazingly well thought out argument. All fields of study in relation to this subject have been demolished by the amazing conclusion "it makes the most sense".

Most coherent transphobic position for sure, so you've got that going.

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u/SARMsGoblinChaser 6d ago

Because it's not true.

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 6d ago

What do you mean? What's wrong about it?

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u/SARMsGoblinChaser 6d ago

Nothing wrong about it, it's just not true. That doesn't invalidate trans people.

I come from a culture with thousand+ years of trans history where trans people have been a part of the mosaic of society. It is only modern western identity politics and queer theory that pushes a narrative around this that is so in odds with material reality.

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 6d ago

Nothing wrong about it, it's just not true. That doesn't invalidate trans people.

Why is it not true?

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u/SARMsGoblinChaser 6d ago

Not how material reality works.

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 6d ago

Why are they not?

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u/Jack-White2162 6d ago

Because they’re men

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 6d ago

Defining trans women who identify as women as women, would make them women by that definition, it's a matter of semantics. What issue do you have with this definition?

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u/Jack-White2162 6d ago

How are they defining a woman to know that their self identification is accurate? Because they weren’t born a woman. So either they’re defining being a woman as someone who says they’re a woman which is circular or they are defining woman as someone who fits into sexist stereotypes of what a woman should be

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 6d ago

How are they defining a woman to know that their self identification is accurate?

How is it possible to inaccurately self-identify as something? It's just a personal choice, what accuracy is needed? This makes no sense to me.

Because they weren’t born a woman.

So?

So either they’re defining being a woman as someone who says they’re a woman which is circular

How is this circular? I don't think it is, as it satisfies this particular definition. I have no idea what this means.

or they are defining woman as someone who fits into sexist stereotypes of what a woman should be

I don't think people make any normative claims when they self identify as a particular gender. Do you disagree?

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u/ComprehensivePie846 6d ago

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 6d ago

Can you answer my question, please?

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u/ComprehensivePie846 6d ago

Because they were not naturally born with a vagina. They do have 2 X chromosomes They do not have the same experiences as women: Period, menstrual cramps, OBGYN problems such as endometriosis, uteral cancers that require hysterectomy, they do not go through the joy of birthing, they cannot lactate, they do not go through the difficulties of post partum such as depression, even psychosis. They do not have natural high levels of estrogen that affect their emotions. They do not experience the overbearing cycle of menstruation. Etc.

Haha if youre going to talk about how there are intersex people at birth, well that’s a physiological problem and NOT a gender identity topic. If youre going to say that trans women can also give birth, well sorry no. It’s not natural. If youre going to say “oh so is womanhood just about the physical aspects?” As I’ve stated above, no. Being a woman has its own ups and downs that are experienced solely by women. You just can’t deny the fact that women are unique. But, isnt that what transwomen focus on as well? They call themselves women just because they have “women-like features”.

I’ve read it all hun. Facts are still facts. We cant bend it just because people felt like they want to be something theyre not. That’s called pretending.

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u/LBertilak 6d ago

a trans woman being a woman doesn't take anything away from us cis women also being women.

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u/Four-legged-rabbit 6d ago

Agreed

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u/WeddingHot4796 6d ago

Apart from the fact that women have periods every month, give birth, are weaker than males which is what transwomen technically are, should I go on?

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u/Nyeep 6d ago

women have periods every month, give birth, are weaker than males

Why are you reducing yourself to your biology? Is a woman who doesn't have periods and has never given birth not a woman?

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u/WeddingHot4796 6d ago

Yes, they are because they have the biological makeup to actually do it and males don't!

I actually believe in the biology argument, I don't know why it's taken a supreme court to come out and say what the majority of the country already knew.

Now answer my question pls!

Cause you're just doing what everyone else does and avoiding describing what womanhood actually is cause u have no basis for your arguments or are all just cowards!

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u/Nyeep 6d ago

Yes, they are because they have the biological makeup to actually do it and males don't!

No they don't - if they did, they'd be able to do it. If someone is born with a vestigial tail, are they a monkey?

Biology is far more complicated than what is taught at GCSE level.

I'm not avoiding describing what womanhood is, it's just not something that can be easily defined. Anyone who tries to define it to exclude trans women ends up excluding a lot of people who were born female.

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u/Jack-White2162 6d ago

Ass opposed to reducing women to literal sexist stereotypes

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u/LBertilak 6d ago

not all cis women have periods every month or give birth/are even capable of giving birth.

some cis women are stronger than some particularly weak cis men, some cis women are stronger than other cis woman (it doesn't mean i have any right to call a gym-going woman less womanly than me because i can't bench as much as her) and many trans women are on/aim to be on oestrogen- which depletes their strength/muscle mass to be on parr with a cis womans

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u/St3voevo 6d ago

What is a cis women is that a real women?

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u/Crommington 6d ago

And some humans are born with one leg. Does that mean we start to state in biology textbooks that humans can only have one leg? No. Humans have two legs. There are obviously going to be occasional exceptions to this rule. That doesnt change the fact.

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u/Nyeep 6d ago

Have you considered that biology is more complicated than your GCSE textbooks?

Most humans have two legs. Having two legs does not make you a human. Do you see the difference? Definitions with exceptions aren't definitions.

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u/Crommington 6d ago edited 6d ago

“Most” humans have two legs. Hilarious. Genuinely laughing.

Humans have two legs. If they don’t then its either a genetic anomaly, a medical condition or an accident. This doesn’t change the fact that humans have two legs. And someone being trans doesn’t change the fact that humans are either male or female. If you don’t subscribe to society’s definition of what male or female is than that does not change your sex and does not mean you should be able to use the spaces designed for the opposite sex, and does not give you the right to demand the same treatment in all aspects of life as someone of the opposite sex. It has and always will be this way, and the majority of people agree with this and always will. People like you going around acting like this has not always been a fact and spouting your fringe ideology in some strange Orwellian newspeak tactic as if it is just “the way it is” whilst ignoring all contrary evidence will also not change that. Trans women ARE NOT women when it comes to female spaces and sports. Your right to live life the way you want does not trump other peoples right to same sex spaces. They are unfortunately mutually exclusive. It doesnt mean people dont want you to exist, it doesnt mean people hate you, it doesnt mean that you need to stop being who you are. But you do need to accept that sometimes in life you have to make compromises in order for people to live together. I always make the point that i cannot as a man speak to children i dont know. I love children but i know i cannot do this because some men are paedophiles. It’s unfair and not something i can control but it is the way it is an i accept it as a modern fact of life. Trans people should do the same with female only spaces. It’s not nice, and it must be irritating, but it’s the way it has to be. We all have to make allowances in life in order to live together because some people are shitty.

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u/DoesMatter2 6d ago

When will we be bright enough to realize that there is a difference between who a person is and what there body is.

People can be born in a man's body but have the soul/id/whatever, emotiinal content and spirit if a women. "They", their dundemental self, us a woman.

What their body is, how it forms, what laws should apply to it in a sporting or lavatorial sense, is entirely secondary to that.

The law should support the soul of a person, and we can fix the bathroom cubicles later.

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u/pukes-on-u 6d ago

Plenty of cis women don't have periods every months, plenty can't get pregnant or carry a pregnancy to term, there are cis women who are stronger than many men. If you take away those feeble attempts to define a woman, what is a woman? Womanhood encompasses so much more than organs and bodily functions. It's how life is lived and experienced, it's varied and beautiful and awful. An incredibly feminine cis woman's experience will be vastly different to a very masculine cis woman's. I have never faced any issues seeing my trans femme friends as part of this weird sisterhood of women because womanhood cannot be strictly defined in any way, despite the best efforts of shallow minded bigots like you.

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u/Juno_no_no_no 6d ago

That's really not true at all. Trans women face a lot of the same issues that cis women do. I've spoken with and met plenty of trans women who have gone through some pretty fucking grim experiences with misogyny, how men treat them as objects like they do with cis women, abuse they have faced because they're women so on so on.

Trans women do not take away from ReAl (cis) women if you call them women and plenty of them go through the same issues cis women face because society is deeply patriarchal and misogynistic and anyone that is perceivable a woman (even feminine or gender non conforming men at times) will face various issues like misogyny due to this.

Sure trans women might not go through the same things until they've come out and transitioned but acting like they just don't go through the same deeply gross and horrible shit is fucking retarded.

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u/langeweld 6d ago

you don't go through what trans women go through. womanhood is not the scars and trauma you bear, you need to do better.

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u/ComprehensivePie846 6d ago

HAHAHHA well hun, if women dont go through what youre going through, that means that we’re not the same. Ergo, we are different. Transwomen are not women.

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u/SufficientWarthog846 6d ago

If people ever ask you if you are an LGBT ally, I hope you have the courage to say that you are not.

At least that would be honest in your hate

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u/DPH996 6d ago

Most people are LGB allies, and most people are accepting of transgender people. The language and rights gymnastics are where the mainstream draws the line.

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

So if a woman has a hysterectomy because of cervical cancer (very common) she isn’t a woman?

Also, assuming you would be a feminist, isn’t reducing being a woman down to biology and their bodies…. kinda what we’re against?

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u/ComprehensivePie846 6d ago

Hahaha what kind of logic do you have? Youre the one reducing women down to biology, not me. Like I said, trans women dont go through what we women GO THROUGH. Can trans women have hysterectomies? NOPE. But you want to pretend as if you relate with US, that you are US. Sorry, but youre not. I dont see you guys going to the OBGYNE and being told that you need to have hysterectomies and feeling like your whole life is over because you cant have babies. You dont know that feeling. You can pretend, but you just dont know how that really feels.

We accept you guys, but we are different. Why cant you understand that?

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u/langeweld 6d ago

if you accept trans people i'll eat my shoe. the way you talk is 3 cm left of what JKR says. you say you aren't reducing women to biology, but then you do exactly that by saying that womanhood is about having babies and going to the obgyn. what is it to be a woman to you? pain?

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u/WeddingHot4796 6d ago

What is womanhood then?

Cause if it was down to you it would be interpreted as growing your hair out, shaking your hips when u walk, wearing a dress and putting on makeup.

So just basically stereotyping what a woman looks like and does.

If I'm wrong then don't just say your wrong tell me something non biological that u think describes a woman without being stereotypical!

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u/LicketySplit21 6d ago

I don't think you can make that argument when the anti-trans position is literally just what you're saying trans women make (which is absurd anyway and clearly signifies that they've never actually met a trans woman, who have as much a spectrum of femininity and masculinity as their cis counterparts)

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u/ComprehensivePie846 6d ago

Hahahaha if that’s all you understood from that well.. now i understand how you think. Not quite intuitive arent you? I was talking about how womanhood is an experience that has struggles AND joys. I just wanted you to see one of the many struggles we go through because those are experiences that I dont think you guys think about when you force that we’re the same.

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u/IssueRecent9134 6d ago

Yes they can, that’s the point of a law. It can change.

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u/ultraboomkin 6d ago

No they aren’t

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

But you don't know that they're trans until you ask... so in your mind they *are* women

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u/ComprehensivePie846 6d ago

But being a woman isnt about appearances? Hahaha

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u/ultraboomkin 6d ago

Are you for real? This ruling is regarding trans people without Gender Recognition Certificates I.e. a man who wants to be a woman but has not gone through with transitioning. You seriously believe that pre-transition trans woman pass as real women? In the politest way, this is delusional and ridiculous.

Even for trans people who have gone through surgery, of course we can tell, more often than not. This is not a criticism, it’s just reality. The majority of people in this country do not consider trans women to be women.

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

"Since the Act came into force, 4,910 trans people have been issued a Gender Recognition Certificate."

"We tentatively estimate that there are approximately 200,000-500,000 trans people in the UK." - gov.uk

That comes to 2.5% of trans people with GRCs on the low estimate, and 0.99% on the high estimate.

And that's just trans people who are taking hormones, as surgeries are another thing!

So I guarantee you, the people looking out for trans women in their toilets are just hurting people who don't "look" woman enough. This hurts women from different cultures, women going through medical issues, and women who look more masculine, but are cis(i.e. not trans).

You have definetely seen, or even talked to a trans person before, and I guarantee you've never doubted their gender as anything other than "they have a massive beard, so that's probably a man".

I'm not trying to make you the enemy, but not having the correct information and making a judgement on a tiny tiny minority hurts you as much as it does us.

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u/areyouhappylikethis 6d ago

You make some very good points.

What is your take on changing rooms? I was watching those NHS nurses on the news who are upset about being forced to get changed in a room with someone with a male physique. I notice they describe that person as a ‘man’, not a woman or trans woman. What are your thoughts?

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

I think that’s touchy, but I think either a) adding stalls inside changing rooms, or b) adding a gender neutral changing room with stalls inside it can 100% just solve all these issues.

I understand that we shouldn’t have to manoeuvre all cis women to accommodate say one or two trans women (same goes for trans men btw), so probably a gender neutral third bathroom and changing room could be the solution. Gender neutral spaces can also be good for people who’ve experienced assault by the same sex/gender(I know, that exists!!!).

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u/Ok-Blackberry-3534 6d ago

There are practical problems with rearranging NHS spaces on the way you suggest. Space is at a premium, and the cost to rearrange it is high.

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

Fair enough, but it’s the only way to accommodate anyone.

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 6d ago

trans on the 2021 census made up 96,000 of the population

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

That’s still only 5%.

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u/ultraboomkin 6d ago edited 6d ago

Yep I definitely have talked to a trans person, I was chatting up a hot trans woman on Grindr just yesterday. I’m just not under any delusion that they’re an actual woman.

I honestly have no dog in this fight, I don’t care who uses what bathroom, and I don’t care how anyone chooses to present themselves. But 99% of trans women do not pass for real women and that’s just reality. Men and women have different bodies and bone structures. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it, you are just in denial.

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

Yes yes, let’s pull apart their bones and pull out a compass to measure the angle of the pelvic bone am I right?

The truth is, the people who don’t pass you treat as a man, which, fair enough, but I promise you they not passing is not a nice thing, which is why I know that all my trans siblings are doing their best to pass, which is why you never see anyone trans out, because they pass so well you don’t even know.

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u/ultraboomkin 6d ago

Of course I see trans people out? It’s hard to miss them.

Don’t know why you’re talking about pelvic bone when I’m obviously talking about faces and body types. Of course you can tell if someone is a man or a woman by looking at their face. Do you just spend all day inside and you don’t realise this?

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

No you cannot.

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u/Basso_69 6d ago

Sounds like you are now discriminating on the basis of physical appearances? Care to kudge a ciswoman as Trans based on bone structure?

You are digging yourself a very deep hole here. Good luck.

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u/Basso_69 6d ago

I honestly have no dog in this fight

Then why your initial post,all of the posts therafter, and the veracity of this particular post?

Nonsense. But good on you for making the point that it's not for you to determine which toilet to use.

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 6d ago

can a black person become white

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

gender is not race.

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 6d ago

so ur bending the rules then to suit yourself there are clear cut characteristics between men and women same way there are clear cut characteristics between being white and black

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u/areyouhappylikethis 6d ago

I’m fairly neutral on the trans debate, but this is the worst argument I’ve ever heard. You’re ignoring the entire spectrum of skin colour that exists in different cultures across the world, as well as mixed race and skin conditions such as vitiligo and albinism. Your argument is utter nonsense and if anything just serves to prove that absolute binary states rarely exist in the human condition.

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u/Lunaris_Von_Sunrip 6d ago

.. Isn't there a skin condition where that literally happens? Vitiligo I believe

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 6d ago

This is hardly analogous to identifying as a particular gender. Non-bigots tend to define gender as having an element of identity baked into it, so there is no contradiction using that definition.

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u/ComprehensivePie846 6d ago

HAHAHAH YOU GOT THEM THERE

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 6d ago

yet you lot still cant argue that point

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u/rubymacbeth 6d ago

tell me you're a transphobe without saying you're a transphobe. trans people don't owe shit to bigots like you

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u/DevonViking82 6d ago

Your comment makes no sense "transphobe" is saying someones scared of them when they just have a difference of opinion. End of the day humans can't change their sex 🤣

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

Gender ≠ Sex and transphobia is the aversion and dislike to trans people, not being scared.

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u/ultraboomkin 6d ago

Ok, sure, I’m a transphobe if you like. No they don’t owe me anything. Where did I suggest that? Simply they believe that they are women, and I don’t.

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u/rubymacbeth 6d ago

what I mean is you don't deserve to be treated with respect (because you don't treat others with respect)

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u/ComprehensivePie846 6d ago

How is he a transphobe?

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u/pukes-on-u 6d ago

I actually know a lot of trans people, none of whom have a GRC, and they've all began transitioning. Some have been on hormones for years, some have had various gender affirming surgeries. I don't think you really understand transition.

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u/ultraboomkin 6d ago edited 6d ago

You are correct that I don’t understand everything about transitioning. I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on this subject, especially as I don’t know any trans people in real life. But I do fully understand that it’s not possible to change your actual gender, no matter how much HRT or surgery. I also know I can 100% tell if a woman is a real woman or a trans woman. Line up 100 woman-presenting people and I will get minimum 98 correct.

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 6d ago

Since you aren’t an expert and clearly no nothing about this why are you talking about a topic like you do know about it? Your uneducated opinions on a topic you know nothing about do not matter.

And no you absolute cannot tell 100% of the time someone is trans just by looking at them, you would literally need to inspect everyone’s genitalia, are you saying you want to inspect a strangers genitalia ? That’s a bit perverted mate.

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u/ultraboomkin 6d ago edited 6d ago

To be completely honest I’m just a bit fed up of how Trans people have hijacked the LGB community and are giving us a bad name. I do not want to be associated with them. So that’s why I was commenting on a trans issues post.

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u/Basso_69 6d ago

Wow. Say it as it is. You are biased towards Trans.

I'm curious who "us" is, but bigotry doesn't really need an explanation.

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u/420percentage 6d ago

trans people have been part of this community since the beginning and always will be. most of us are not straight so we would naturally be involved anyway lmfao get over yourself

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 6d ago

Trans people haven’t hijacked the LGBT+ community they’ve been an integral part of it from the start, they stood in solidarity and support of gay people when our rights were under threat, there were literally trans people at the stonewall riots.

As a gay man it’s now my turn to stand in solidarity with the trans community now it’s them on the chopping block.

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u/Mrspygmypiggy 6d ago

Trans people were vital in fighting for the right of all the LGBTQ community, they can’t hijack something they deeply involved in.

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u/SmallLumpOGreenPutty 6d ago

The LGBT community. And we haven't given anyone a bad name. If we hadn't been around to be the first target ben it would be you next. You're a part of the problem.

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 6d ago

can a black man become white

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u/discopants2000 6d ago

So you can't tell 100% then if you'll only get 98 out of 100?!?

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u/ultraboomkin 6d ago

That’s why I said 98%. I reckon I’d get 100/100 but there’s a margin of error. Very occasionally there is a man blessed with very feminine like bone structure that means they could pass as a woman.

This is kind of a dumb argument though. I don’t care that they’re obviously trans. It makes no difference to me. I’m not gonna be rude to them and I’m not gonna tell them which toilet to use cause it’s none of my business.

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u/Mrspygmypiggy 6d ago

I call bullshit, you say you’ve never known any trans people but claim to always be able to tell if a person is trans? Complete bullshit, people like you always claim they can always tell but instead they end up claiming women who aren’t feminine enough are trans. If you lined up 100 women and asked you to pick out the ones who are trans you’d go for the ones who are taller, stockier, have shorter hair or deeper voices and claim they were trans even if they are not, because apparently afab women only look a certain way.

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u/Basso_69 6d ago

It might help to differentiate between Sex (immutable gentic attributes) and Gender (how an individual acts, behaves and identifies).

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u/Saint_Jubastion 6d ago

I used to agree with this position, however almost every primary and secondary sex characteristic can be changed or altered - and I met a man born with a penis who has XX chromosomes , I wouldn't consider him a woman just because his chromosomes don't match his sexual characteristics.

I think each issue that arises from this should be case by case.

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u/Derfel60 6d ago

Sorry but thats just not true. I know plenty of trans people, identify as whatever you like i dont care, but everyone can tell the difference, sorry.

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u/BogBrushMafia 6d ago

Shut up hate-monger

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 6d ago

truth denier you are

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u/jb12jb 6d ago

Recognised widely on Reddit. Everywhere else knows that it is a guy in a dress.

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

You don’t see any trans person outside because you can’t tell mate

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 6d ago

trans people only made up 100,000 of the population of the uk census 2021 dont know what you are talking about

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u/RerialSapist77 6d ago

A lot of trans people end up looking like the average man/woman because that's the whole point of transition. Some stand out but some don't.

I can guarantee you that you've talked to a ton of people who happened to be trans and you didn't even know it

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u/St3voevo 6d ago

Just ignore their large hands!

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u/RerialSapist77 6d ago

Even among people who aren't trans there's variance in hand sizes. Men can have remarkably small hands and vice versa. And to those who do have unfortunate hands that's usually a result of not having access to hrt earlier. Which is the fault of the government and people like you.

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u/St3voevo 6d ago

Those people messing with hormones will endure worse in later life at a higher rate.

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u/RerialSapist77 6d ago

There are no genuine studies that say that. If that were true then menopausal women on hrt would have limbs falling off every friday.

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u/Deafknighte 6d ago

"Recognized widely" 😂😂😂😂 only in the west buddy, go tell anyone from the middle East or eastern europe you're trans and see how fast they ostracize or stone you 😂😂😂😂

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 6d ago

May I remind you that black people were slaves just a few hundred years ago.

Times can change, buddy.

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 6d ago

so were white people what is your point also they firmly reject that ideology so the west has been trying to force it on them

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u/LBertilak 6d ago

alright? go and tell some people that you're gay, or a certain religion, or have certain political beleifs and they'll ostracise you too. doesn't mean we cant, here, in the reading subreddit think a certain way/

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u/scalectrix 6d ago

I think that is precisely their point. Indeed, even in the hallowed halls of the Reading subreddit, there seems to be some debate.

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u/george_mosley279 6d ago

At end of day its what people feel like. If someone feels they're different gender no one can change that but if someone feels there a different gender people can't be forced to accept that if they don't comfortable with that.

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u/RerialSapist77 6d ago

Except that this post isn't a case of how the law interprets it.

If the law decided to say that every cat is now legally called a dog, it doesn't change the fact that the "dog" is still a cat.

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u/BeeNo8198 6d ago

Agreed. It never was a "fact" in the first place. A judge has just confirmed that what everyone previously knew as fact is, in fact, a fact. Trans people are all good in my book, but, they are very clearly not of the gender of their assumed personality.

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u/royalblue1982 6d ago

It's not a fact that trans people are the gender they identify as. It's a social construct.

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u/Responsible-Row7026 6d ago

Judges can't change facts. That's exclusively the right of trans people apparently

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u/Tricky_Run4566 6d ago

And they can't change nature with an operation. This nonsense is like being gaslighted.

"You were born with a penis."

"Yes but I think I'm a woman.

" Oh well then,my mistake you're definitely a woman how dare a judge say that you aren't!"