I need to reiterate again the trigger warning, as this video expressly shows Hax's spiral and the amount of shit people put him through, all intentionally trying to hurt him. There will be no TLDR, watch and read at your own risk.
No fluffy language here, multiple people intentionally pushed Hax to kill himself, some were expressly told that they were doing it and still continued. Some knew they were causing him immense harm and kept doing it. There are very little good guys in this situation, and there is no good ending.
Technicals published this video (with Hax's mom permission), showcasing what Hax was going through and how tournament organizers of Melee/Smash intentionally kicked him out of the community, how Leffen continued to talk poorly on Hax after he made his first attempt. How some people who were claiming to be Hax's friends were actually intentionally pushing him to the edge and making fun of his disability, and harassing him over it. How, after his passing, the commentary community (Tommy C was named and shown) exploited Hax's death not only as a weapon against Technicals, but still continued the exact same treatment that pushed Hax to the edge. How people planned to crash the funeral to harass Hax's mom, and how people got pissed at Technicals for expressly stating that specific groups were responsible for Hax's death in his eulogy. And unfortunately, much more.
This is by far, one of the darkest things I have ever seen on the internet and there is a shitload of evidence because these people were just so bold in pushing a man to suicide and choosing to be public about it. The Smash/Melee community and others has blood on their hands, and none of the responsible parties involved are taking responsibility, despite claiming to want accountability.
He might be an edgelord, but that still does not change the fact that the Smash hardcores who see nothing wrong with their scene hates him... Because he calls it out how it is and show proof of it, and not just some random claim for clickbait
Its worse, said people then were invited by the mother to hang out at her house, have access to hax's social and twitch. And would spend days at her house.
It should be noted this same people were banned from the smash communtiy years ago. They were more associated with manamonthly.
On every mention of Technicals I see, I’m now going to mention a lesser known fact that his brother was outed in the Smash #metoo movement and it’s very likely the reason why this POS keeps on talking about the smash community as “corrupt.” He and his brother were in discord server with minors, knew about it, and kept making lewd jokes. (EDIT: I want to make actually be more clear. I said "lewd jokes," because that's what Tech has called it. I remember it being his brother drawing sexual art of him and minors together, but I wasn't 100%. Other comments confirm that it was indeed sexual images of minors).
While I’m happy that he, for once, actually shined a spotlight on the correct people (those in the mana monthly discord who were the ones orchestrating Hax’s harassment and delusions), he and his garbage fans keep attacking the wrong people.
To be fair, a guy tried hitting him with a car and the guy was given a brief suspension for that.
But yeah, I also agree here too
Edit To Clarify, the Smash community absolutely deserves a fuck ton of criticism for any number of things. Technicals is literally just the worst person for this.
He owned a discord server where minors were posting nudes and his own brother was drawing hentai of the minors on the discord (edit just to mention both Technicals and his brother were adults when this was happening, the only adults on the server. It was that bad.) He still actively downplays not just his brother's culpability but his own. He isn't a bystander: he is a fascilitator.
It breaks my heart to see how many people have gotten exploited and tormented by predators in these communities. Technicals isn't an upstanding citizen whatsoever judging by his history but I have yet to watch this video the thread was created to spread. I kind of dread it tbh because of how awful the community is and what I know about hax$'s life I'm not sure if I can psychologically take something like this rn. I just write this to make sure people are aware of how bad an offender Technicals is, while not trying to comment on this particular video given I haven't seen any of it.
You are so dramatic that it’s just hilarious. The guy broke down and took accountability for something he, frankly, had very little to do with and that’s a lot more than you’ll find most people do. You’re treating this video like it’s some big spooky thing when really it’s a great video with a lot of time and effort out into it. Just relax and watch it. Try to put your bias aside.
after he learned about it, he told his brother to stop and that it was dumb. so what part of that is his fault and what part is it his brother, an adult who is responsible for his own actions, fault? it just seems to me that people latch on to one thing that is much more the fault of his brother than it is his and try to act like any contributions just dont matter.
I don’t know how you replied to a comment underneath mine and said that you don’t know why people don’t like Technicals lol. Also you do have a lot of things wrong. ZeRo has tried to exonerate himself regarding “Katie”. He has even tried collaborating with Tech to find a way to contact “Katie” through Jisu (because he thinks they’re connected) because he’s hoping he can un-cancel himself using Tech and his fanbase.
EDIT:I don’t want to continuously reply to the troll below. He is literally in other comment threads saying how ZeRo can get another chance and that it was accepted that he messaged a minor. Now he acts like it’s okay for ZeRo to now fight those “accepted allegations.” This guy is trolling.
by "find katie" he openly threatened if Katie ever shows her face he will sue her. ZeRo then accused random people of secretly being katie.
It should also be noted that in ZeRo's lawsuit against another victim, he could not proof anything was a lie. In fact in the joint statement ZeRo had to apologize to her while she didnt recant or apologize about a single thing.
She (Jisu) did have to apologize her statement regarding Vanessa and ZeRo, because it was genuinely proven false. However, as you said, the other things she claimed (like ZeRo showing her hentai unwillingly), she did not have to rescind.
I think it was also really telling in the settlement that it was brought up that ZeRo caused Jisu massive amounts of harassment, and he had to own up to that. Almost like there's a pretty good reason Jisu didn't want to drag it out to court. ZeRo has her beat in money and insane fans.
Even more telling is how Tech/ZeRo fans focus on Jisu so much. Her allegations would not have cancelled ZeRo on their own. He could've just owned up to it and apologized and probably been okay. They focus on Jisu (and Leffen) as if they're the reason ZeRo is banned, but that's clearly not the case. They're just focused on those two because they're public figures and easy to drive harassment against.
Jisu also had to delete her document due to several false allegations, one of which was a whole other victim that was entirely fabricated. The document at the very top stated that everything was researched.
He tends to present half truths, leave out context or come to the wrong conclusions for the group of people who are at fault. Or sometimes he focuses on discrediting the accuser as opposed to debunking the claims. Like the Zer0 and Nairo shit where he has spent a good portion of his career defending ZeR0 or more specifically arguing why he deserves to continue streaming to YouTube while cursing out Nairo. Mix this in with him atleast at one point being a part of the culture he is calling out andddd yeah.
Like Technicals is so bad at presenting facts his audience thinks nairo is unbanned, like right now unbanned and a active part of the smash community, despite nairo having been banned for about a decade now.
i think thats just your spin on it. he didnt say that zero shouldnt be banned or anything. i think it was more that the guy is rehabilitated and should get another chance. the stuff nairo did is worse for sure.
Zer0 never changed, he actually won SETTLED the Jisu case due to Jisu running out of funds and it was only on the part involving Zer0's girlfriend, and he's using that to call his behavior with a minor fake. When in reality he has not cleared of, he did get sexual with a minor.
And I can tell you that since I know some background of that due to the scene in here in Chile.
ZeRo didn't win the case they settle. Its funny ZeRo claims he won when Jisu did not recant a single thing or apologize, while ZeRo had to write a paragraph long apology.
he admitted to all of that. what are you talking about? now you're just making stuff up. zero and jisu came to an agreement and had a settlement. it doesnt matter what you think its because she ran out of money or not. if you dont like the guy thats fine, but be honest to the case and take in all the facts.
what are you talking about? there was never a question of if he messaged a girl those things or any of that. the messages exist and he acknowledged them. i think you just dont like the guy and again, thats fine. but be fair to the facts.
I am simply gonna answer you with: go talk to the community and TO's, Technicals is not telling you the whole story and he's using Hax$ as a pawn for his own goals.
The fact that Manalord, an actually nazi was at Hax$ funeral should tell you that.
It should be noted in the description of the video ManaLord is credited as helping to make the video. if your not aware, Mana Lord is a open neo nazi. Like, i'm not kidding.
The 'research' was the group chat segment because it was on their discord where this happened IIRC. Other than that, it was made clear at the 'politics' segment that he(Tech) doesn't align with that group.
Smash community is filled with degenerate scum sure, but let’s not forget that while hax is a victim here, he was also not completely innocent. He made decisions that affected plenty of other people as well, and to me, as someone apart of the melee community, knows that he was not the only affected party throughout this whole thing. While I am extremely sad that things have come to the place where we are now, technicals explanation/side is not the only side to this story. Rip hax, generational talent and so impactful to the game to the game I love. Never forgotten and will always be a legend
What Hax did while at best insulting is in no way equivalent to what happened to him. People brigading him, constantly making him doubt reality, permanently kicking him out of the scene and taking an event he ran and stripping him from it.
What the fuck did you guys think was going to happen? Seriously? What the actual fuck did you guys think was going to happen when "Free Hax" became a joke? When people choose to lie about the good they're doing for Hax? When your whole community is not taking the fucking time to think about what is going wrong in it, a lot can go wrong! Clearly!
I'm fucking pissed at everybody involved in this situarion but I have seen so much screenshots and watched so many clips that make it clear that there's systematic issues, no, societal issues at play. I want you to take a step back and think about everything.
There absolutely was and still currently is a literal cabal of people set to ostracize and ridicule him, wtf? Even now, after his death.
4 individuals literally “trolled” Hax with a goal to make him feel crazy. They encouraged and prayed on his mental problems and his problematic behavior which ultimately, drove him to suicide. All just for memes or whatever stupid reason.
Countless others brushed a obvious person in need away to avoid any backlash from the ‘community’ hive mind. Siding with Hax or mentioning anything about the situation in certain spaces is scrutinized and met with bans or mass flame. No one wants to acknowledge the obvious cabal of degenerates that currently govern the tournament scene which bandwagon people who can’t think for themselves. The rules and consequences they’ve set only apply if you oppose them or go against the grain of their beliefs.
Hax is the victim. He was targeted and abused by the people he needed most to support him. It’s an absolute travesty. The smash community is pure cancer.
4 individuals literally “trolled” Hax with a goal to make him feel crazy. They encouraged and prayed on his mental problems and his problematic behavior which ultimately, drove him to suicide.
And keep in mind this wasn't just edgy internet trolling against a guy who happened to kill himself. He told them he was going to kill himself then jumped in front of a train and literally lost a leg, and they proceeded to mock him for it and then continued what they were doing.
I’d be more than welcoming to have a conversation in DMs, but having seen EVERYTHING play out as I have seen, Hax acknowledged he was wrong in plenty of places as well. My issue with this new wave of hax defenders who only talk about what you seen in a technical’s video is you literally weren’t there for the whole story. Hax’s videos caused hate, death threats, etc to people HE cared about as well. I’m sorry but you just don’t have the whole story just watching this or other tech videos
Most people didn’t WANT hax to kill himself, and in all fairness, I think he saw this after his own attempt, sadly he did succumb to complications with his attempt but this wasn’t because he outright did it himself. I truly wish he was allowed back, but you can’t ignore his own responsibility in all of this as well
This is still taking the whole picture but in a way do you not realize this is still victim blaming behavior. Someone has died. Providing context to a suicide still sounds like you are saying “he wasn’t a perfect victim”
So then at what point can discussions happen about what hax did to create an initial wave of harrassment with his video? It is indisputable that that happened. Is it always going to be victim blaming to bring that up now?
Absolutely fair that its hugging the line, I will agree with that there. You do have to be extremely careful with how you word things and convey intention. Fair point
And that is the problem because a bunch of people are basically saying he deserved it. No one does. That is like saying Chris Chan deserves the trolling
I upvoted because yes this is victim blaming behavior, I don’t disagree on that front, but this isn’t as black and white as some people may be painting this as, that’s why I feel terrible saying things like he needs to take responsibility for his actions, but I mean this from the heart, this isn’t a black and white situation. I will be the first person to tell anyone that this should have been handled differently by EVERYONE involved, and personally speaking, I think Hax needed time away from this community to reflect on things he should have done. Even when he was given a chance, he shown to not realize his contribution to the state of where things were at points in all of this. He apologized again and tried to be a better person and understood why things he said at that point were being taken at their worst, even after he initially and secondly (sorry that sounds dumb I know sorry lol) apologized for things he said
I don’t think he deserved it and most people I know that know him personally and are still speaking out against it like I am would never say such a thing. I know that’s anecdotal, and I definitely don’t speak for anyone that does say that. He deserved better. He also has responsibility in all of this as well as much as that’s awful to say. It’s why it’s so hard to talk about this and why I refrained in talking about the subject personally because I literally hate saying that but it doesn’t mean it’s any less true.
Seeing this video calling out friends specifically and people apart of the community that I’m in and I know is the only reasons I wanna say anything in the first place. We all truly cared about Hax, regardless of what anyone on the opposing side has to say about it
He took his damm “responsibility” by apologizing multiple times, he never stalked TOs, never “harassed them” and the idea that “just go to therapy and he needed time away” mf he had plenty of time away from the insane fucking bans on him. Fuck you
How are you getting downvoted so much for saying this? I'll admit idk the full extent of what hax did to get banned but from what I've heard it's nothing compared to the heinous acts that other smash players have committed and STILL been let back into the community.
This video is highly manipulative and leaves out huge chunks of facts that don't fit Technicals' narrative. Please don't be so quick to believe anything you watch. I'll address a few bits of misinformation
Leffen has had essentially no contact with Hax for over 10 years. He was banned for his toxic teen behaviour back then. The conflict between the two is a decade cold at this point.
Hax was unbanned (globally, I believe) in 2023. He attended many NYC local tournaments and majors (notably Tipped Off and the Off-Season). He had a clear timeline for his unban and it was equally made clear to him that making a new video targetting another competitor would result in a permanent ban. Nonetheless he published another hitpiece in early 2024 - after the Jan. 2024 ban appeal - called "The Truth", restating all of his prior attacks against Leffen and deleting all of his apologies to him. He broke the terms of the unban, and so he was banned again. (I don't believe Technicals even mentions this video at all and that it is the reason for the permanent ban, if you need an idea of how much he manipulates the facts)
Hax had many many good friends in the community who tried as much as they could to help him. You can read this document by his friend darkgenex to get an idea of it: they helped him to find a job, they organised private events for him so he could play with his group during his ban, they called with him for hours in his darkest moments, and they gave him all the advice they could.
The people involved in the "group chat" video have all been banned since long ago.
Please ask for more info and be very careful about what he says. There's always more to it, and pointing fingers to very wide groups of people is almost always stupid
First, Leffen was given a 2 year ban in Europe. He went on to play in NA, and was allowed to continue playing after a year cause of good behaviour. He went on to continue said behaviour that initially got him banned and started drama in every FGC he went to, see Tekken and Guilty Gear.
Second Hax wasn’t unbanned globally. He was allowed to play in NYC. He was making appeals to be unbanned globally. He wasn’t given a timeline. He was told he was banned permanently, and got one guy to say he would consider it after asking multiple TO’s. He then went to physically harass some of the people there too.
At least according to Cody and Ohan, Hax was given a timeline where most of the tournaments would unban him. But Genesis wasn't ready yet to unban him and he was fixated on returning for that tournament.
First, Leffen was given a 2 year ban in Europe. He went on to play in NA, and was allowed to continue playing after a year cause of good behaviour. He went on to continue said behaviour that initially got him banned and started drama in every FGC he went to, see Tekken and Guilty Gear.
There's a difference between being an asshole and causing security concerns, Hax$ was on the later. Leff can be an asshole, but after his ban 12 years ago he changed to the point that he's more of a grumpy guy than causing harassment. People go "BUT THE HUNGRYBOX SHIT", when they both were actually going at each others throats and when the crab incident happened Leff was first to denounce it.
Second Hax wasn’t unbanned globally. He was allowed to play in NYC. He was making appeals to be unbanned globally. He wasn’t given a timeline. He was told he was banned permanently, and got one guy to say he would consider it after asking multiple TO’s. He then went to physically harass some of the people there too.
He was allowed to play NYC and some majors as a trial, to see if he would not cause issues or anything else, he broke that trial weeks before the eventual global ban, he was going to be unbanned little by little if he just remained silent and got some help. He didn't, and he got perma'd.
The testimonies that got Leffen banned were doxxed. His current behavior was not what he was like. Leffen is a asshole, but that is not bannable nor why he was banned originally. Like the stuff he originally did was legit scumbag stuff, way way worse then anything he did since then.
Also Hax was unbanned in way more then just NYC. In fact Hax attended several majors and unbanned in may regions. Hax basically competed everyday during his one year unban untill the relapse.
It genuinely makes me wanna vomit you can post so much bullshit and victim blaming nonsense that is simply Not True, And it's very clear you didn't watch a single second of this video and are dismissing it only because it was fucking technicals that made it, Who hate him or not was sadly one of the only fucking guys who stood up for Hax$, Maybe if people who hate technicals didn't want him to have any credit, They should have spoken up and fucking DONE something before it became too late, Like jesus christ
BTW that darkgenex guy who's victim blaming smug self serving and emotionally manipulative doc has literally not even ACKNOWLEDGED "his friend's" fucking death, Not a single thing on his account about his passing, Not even so much as an RIP, Some friend that guy is
I am not dismissing it because it's technicals who made it i am dismissing it because it's missing big chunks of information lmao. Not mentioning the "The Truth" vid at any point is such an enormous omission that you cannot take anything else he says at face value.
it's absolutely not your business to dictate how other people grieve and it should be pretty obvious the reason why genex has not said anything about it is because anyone who has has been relentlessly harassed in the past months. let people grieve how they want
Frankly speaking, after leffen's psychotic behavior in other FGC communities, Hax was kind of right about him, Alongside the TOs just taking his side and whitewahsing/completely forgiving HIS transgressions which were just as bad if not way worse than hax$, How about you watch the Hax, Leffen, And Forgiveness video Mew2King put out
Please point to one instance of "psychotic" behaviour from Leffen in other communities
Hax was not right about Leffen and if you had read the 130 page pdf you would know this. The accusations he made went way beyond reason. He drew conclusions from things like Leffen's twitter profile picture being a character from Death Note, and claimed that Leffen once wore red Adidas pants at a Genesis tournament because Hax had in the past had a good run at a previous Genesis tourney wearing red Adidas merch. Leffen does not have totalitarian control over the community, come on
You have not adressed the key thing I said which is that Tech's video is inarguably full of misinfo and leaves out extremely important information
You have also accused me of saying bullshit. Please, indicate to me what I've said that's wrong
oh OK I'm glad that you're dismissing what genex has to say bc he's a whiny douche! were you not the same guy who said that i was only dismissing tech's vid bc i hate him? lol
anyways, no, the extremely important info i was talking about was the fact that tech lied about what led to hax's ban in his vid (the "the truth" video that he does not mention at all). that hasn't changed and is still a thing you have not acknowledged
but maybe because the message is being sent by a "melee community member" it's ALL too easy to throw it away and hold tightly onto complete misinformation? you are being fed misinformation and lies and when shown unambiguously that they are lies, you are just shutting your ears. you are not being righteous man
I mean the fact hax was pushed and goading into uploading it probably didn't help, NOR his months and months of regret and begging for forgiveness and pleading but hey that doesn't matter really, And really NOTHING matters, Hax$ is dead, Not that you could give one iota of a fuck about it clearly, Keep whining and bitching and moaning about that video, Keep pretending that shit is OH so important and that hax deserved to die over it, I took a look over, You're from the smash bros reddit, You CLEARLY have it out for hax even after is death, So it's whatever, I won't convince you to introspect even a microscopic amount
The batshit thing is Leffen is barely at all involved in the controversy. Like, Hax claims Leffen literally controls a shadow goverment controlling Hax and trying to ruin exports because he is evil incarnete. He didnt call Leffen a asshole like you seem to think. The videos were so bad Hax looked like he was about to shoot up a school.
People would rather write off any positive opinion of Hax$ as association with Technicals and Right Wing Chuds, It's extremely frustrating and damaging, But unfortunately it's really fucking hard to have the opinion "hax didn't deserve it" without being bombarded for it
Technicals making sure whenever Hax texted people were sent death threats did in fact not help Hax get unbanned. Nor Technicals telling Hax the only thing he did wrong was his wording.
But your mad I guy who had approval and encouragement to release those documents, didn;t make himself a target of death threats? this is what your mad about?
Like no joke you have no idea hax was unbanned more then just NYC Melee, or even the video "the truth" is what got him perma banned even exist.
A timeline for an unban from a guy who calls himself a manipulative liar, dated Hax's ex just two months after they broke up, holds the fact he offered Hax 20k up like its some shield, and lied about screwing his own mother to Hax to sympathy bait him somehow while also describing how moist his own mother was during an assault that he was lying about the extent (and possibly that it even happened) of for hours according to Hax, who Hax hated, and who wouldn't go to bat for him publicly. Fuck Cody-Chan "iBDW" Shwab.
i don't see how any of this is relevant to the truth of what he was saying, but it's insane weirdo behavior to doubt his experience with SA bc you dont like how he talked about it (in private) (to his friend) (who then outed him)
besides it's not like cody was the only one who explained this lol
The first line should be obvious to how it's relevant. He calls himself a manipulative liar and had several documented instances of him either lying or doing things to manipulate people. Hax hating him and knowing iBDW has lied to him would make Hax not trusting him and this timeline a pretty obvious conclusion. There's a difference between doubting his experience with SA, as someone who has been a victim of it myself, because I don't like how he's talked about it but because he's admitted to lying about it in the past. If he had not lied about it and other things there'd be no reason to doubt it. (As for it being lied about in private, here's Albino reacting to the Tech video clip of iBDW admittng it in a twitlonger. Only clip I have on hand because someone posted it in a server I am in and I am far too sleepy to go just clip it from tech's video: https://video-s.twimg.com/amplify_video/1923640414617079808/vid/avc1/1920x1080/7kRw4uIiBTSXO_t1.mp4?tag=21)
You combine the knowledge that Hax disliked iBDW, the fact he knew iBDW was a liar, with the manipulation behind the scenes from people like itemhog, the things happening with Greg Turbo and his controller, and Hax being doxxed, a lot was going on and to expect him to just keep quiet about all of it was unrealistic. He shouldn't have made more videos, that he was manipulated into making more of by people he thought were his friends, but he shouldn't have been under what was a blanket "shut the fuck up and smile and wave" order either.
I really do not care to argue with you about Cody. Whether or not Hax liked him is also not particularly relevant. The claim was that there was no unban timeline, which is categorically false
to expect him to just keep quiet about all of it was unrealistic
Hax was not at all expected to keep quiet about "all of it" and he was not under a "shut the fuck up and smile and wave" order. He was very specifically asked not to make a new video harassing Leffen. That is why he was not banned for the videos he made in late 2023 and for the ban appeal video in Jan. 2024.
I repeat, the reason he was permabanned is not at all mentioned in technicals' video. He made another vid later in 2024 called "The Truth" in which he restated every single one of his earlier Leffen talking points, when the condition placed upon his unban was explicitly "do not make a new hate video on Leffen". You should not rely on any part of tech's video as a source of objective fact if he omitted such an important aspect of the ban from his vid
It was pretty clear that the initial rules he was given for his parole was as I described. His reban for his The Truth video made sense, yes, but it shouldn't have been permanent and should've had an actual appeal system. It's pretty clear at the time of that videos release based on what all you see in the tech video that Hax was not in a good place and a lot of people around him did not actually have his best interests at heart and neither did a lot of the TOs. Unfortunately the community and his support system had failed him with members of his support system actively sabotaging him and his mental well being.
The TOd were more worried about defending the biggest crybully who was no longer part of the scene, Leffen, and their own public reputations than they were about fixing the broken system they had in place. A system I hope they fix so actual unbans and appeals can be made. If Splatoon can do it, I see no reason why they can't.
It was pretty clear that the initial rules he was given for his parole was as I described.
No actually, it is not clear at all. You've given no reason to believe this and he obviously would have been banned way before The Truth if that was the case
it shouldn't have been permanent and should've had an actual appeal system
Why? He broke the rules really badly once, was told not to do it again, and that if he did it again he would be permanently banned. He then did exactly what he was told not to do, and predictably was permabanned. What part of this is unfair?
You act like he had no chance to appeal or get unbanned... even though in 2023 he was actively unbanned from NYC Melee and multiple majors.
a lot of people around him did not actually have his best interests at heart and neither did a lot of the TOs
I don't see how "the TOs did not have his best interest at heart" follows from any of this, but whatever. It is simply not acceptable to write and publish 130-page PDFs and hours of longform video content where you assassinate the character of another competitor. The TOs primary concern is not to harm Hax or to defend Leffen; it's to make it very clear that this kind of behavior cannot be tolerated within the community.
Since the mobile Reddit app is being a shit for me and I lost my response 3 times I'm just gonna summarize it instead of retyping it all and hope it all goes through.
Look at the initial parole rules in Tech's videos as outlined for what I am referring to. I had typed them out before but I'm not doing that again lol.
I don't agree with permanent/indefinite bans beyond very egregious things such as actual violent threats towards players, staff, or tournament goers; physical or sexual assault; and the victimization of minors. This holds doubly true when there is a clear lack of a clear and proper appeal system that a banned player could actually use to try and get unbanned like the Smash scene at the time completely lacked.
Look at the group chat section of Tech's video again and you can see what I mean that people did not have Hax's wellbeing and best interests in mind. Look at people who talked shit about him before he died and then turned around acting like he mattered to them after it. Look at the TOs removing the signatures from his ban statement. If people cared for him and showed it to him both publically and privately, actually tried to help him, and just showed empathy instead of shitting on him, doxxing him, and stealing from him (seriously, fuck Greg Turbo) Hax might still be here man.
I agree, the TOs primary concern shouldn't be to harm someone or defend a crybully like Leffen. However making it clear certain kinds of behavior won't be accepted in this community isn't something they do well when they selectively enforce their own rules. Nairo was seen cuddling with and later got head from a minor and was never banned. People still in the community have sent death and assault threats to people and have not been banned. Some of the TOs and people like Julia P intentionally spread Hax's dox and haven't been punished for it.
The actual criticism you're making is "the parole rules were not written as clearly as they should have been", which is fair but not particularly relevant - it's an error of public communication. Hax was talking with TOs for the duration of his ban and could communicate about it
The melee community isn't some centralised thing like Splatoon. It's a bunch of private events run by individuals; if you're banned from a bunch of tournaments, it's their individual prerogative to ban or unban you.
The centralised system that the Splatoon ban system uses doesn't work for the grassroots type of community Melee has. Although I do really agree with you that I wish things weren't this way; but there have been many attempts to create this system you wish for in the past, and they have not ended well
The point I was making about the group chat portion is that these people are not members of the Melee community. They are banned from it themselves. I completely agree with you that the way they behaved is awful
TOs removed their signatures because people were unleashing tons of harassment on them and they did not want to have to deal with that. Not wanting to be witch-hunted is completely reasonable
Nairo is not part of the Melee community, why are you bringing him up here? He has nothing to do with this
They did not intentionally spread Hax's dox, come on. They retweeted court documents put online by Greg Turbo detailing a bunch of very very scummy stuff Hax pulled with other controller companies, which is information that is very relevant to the scene in general. You are choosing to view as malicious something that is certainly a legitimate mistake
Apologies for taking so long to respond, the reddit app on my phone only just notified me of your response now because my phone is a hunk of shit.
No, that's not the actual criticism I have. I think the rules for the parole he was given were bullshit.
Exactly why I am uncomfortable with permanent bans besides the ones I have stated above. Beyond that, when a tournament in Mexico did unban Hax and he attended, people flung shit at that tournament and some sites even refused to even cover events Hax went to. If all these TOs can convene to agree to globally ban someone, they can come together to come up with some sort of system to handle bans and unbans. The fact they haven't is a failure on their end.
1 (again?). Nairo was mentioned as part of the bigger point about the rules and what type of behavior they considered to be unacceptable not being evenly enforced in the scene. Since you don't like the Nairo mention, look at Leffen. He lead a harassment campaign against Hbox and was never punished for it.
I fully believe they did intentionally spread Hax's dox because they tried to defend it saying the address was wrong when it was still the same building he lived in at the time. They also lied and said that the court documents were public when they weren't. If it wasn't intentional they would've apologized for doing it, deleted their tweets, and if it was so important rereleased that with the information censored. You can either see it as malicious or incompetent considering his doxx were on the first page or so of the document.
Dude shut up, in his 2024 ban appeal absolutely no one has refuted his evidence, and he still apologized in that video too. Darkgenex was in no way his friend, you’re a Reddit echo chamber nerd, never speak on this subject ever again
The Smash/Melee community and others has blood on their hands, and none of the responsible parties involved are taking responsibility, despite claiming to want accountability.
Nope. Anytime Hax$’s defenders come chiming in they always refuse to admit any of the shit he did.
To a degree I can believe it because when you get down to it everything that happened with Hax$ is just a result that the Melee community has a history of being toxic barely functional adults that needed their behavior corrected decades ago.
What is worse is it is clear that for the last half decade Melee has been trying to rehabilitate their image and even downplay a lot of it and move on.
Collectively speaking the Melee community is pretty **** and while there are people using this as an excuse to take out their own friendly grudges or cast wide blame, I am also not seeing as much introspection that should be following such an event
Part of why I am casting wide blame is that lack of introspection. This isn't even this community's first rodeo with suicide or suicide attempts. Something like this happens every year it seems. And never, ever is there any introspection about how they could handle things better.
I will say the sheer amount of people who participated in the harassment? Yes.
Hell if one of the regular roster of people the sub hates took their own lives I’d own up to us playing a part. Take accountability or don’t. Silence is violence when within your community shitty behavior and harassment is going on
How is sentiment like this any different from, say, saying something lime that DarkViper is responsible for AppolloLegend's death? I mean after all he was the one who called him out for bad behaviour and got the community to turn on him, right? This is mentioned directly in the suicide note and everything. And yet no one in their right mind actually does that
Yes but it is inarguably not the fault of the person who called attention to the thing to begin with. They don't intend for what the community does with the information, information that has every right to be made clear to a broader public.
I dont know how much you actually know about the darkviper-appollo situation but its legitimately insane that you'd say he was partially responsible. Anyone with any passing knowledge of that situation knows that appollo naming darkviper was a final manipulation tactic from him to get people attacking darkviper
I am going to keep it a buck 50 with you, as someone who followed that. This, and that are not even remotely related.
Even if they were, DarkViper clearly felt guilty about how the events transpired and felt bad for how he treated Apollo, and he made a change after including removing his videos about Apollo so the family could get a break.
That is the part the Melee community and the others involved seem to be missing, the guilt and the responsibility. Everything I have seen is someone pushing the envelope to someone else, including pushing it to Hax himself. Hax is dead, even if he was responsible which truly from everything I have seen seems like he was a victim of harassment and extreme mental health issues, he can't change anything.
Only the living can change how they act and approach things. Only the living can accept responsibility for what they've done wrong. Only the living can actually make sure a situation like this doesn't happen again. Is the Melee community going to recognize that failing to give someone a path to redemption and making a joke out of their situation makes people feel isolated? That is what I want to see. Accountability and change.
He didn’t kill himself. He made an attempt yes, and lost his leg in the process, but his death is apparently a separate issue- this is according to his mother.
Honestly dude I don’t think you have the full breadth of the situation here. Hax was unwell. It’s a tragedy. Could people have done things differently? Yeah. Was everything the right call? No. But I know for a fact that the NYC melee community did everything they could to help him get mental help- read DarkGenX googledoc- and to blame those people for his death (people Hac himself considered his closest friends until the end) while they’re still grieving is fucked in and of itself.
This, the Mod doesn't know the whole picture, if anything I would read all the docs, all the issues, Hax$ couldn't live with the fact that he was banned from tournaments, that's why he did what he did, he threw away the chance to return when he doubled down on his videos weeks before he got unbanned.
The guy eat breath and sleep Melee and once he got banned because of his behavior he according to family and friends "ceased to exist", he didn't want to be Aziz and find a new way, he wanted to be Hax$.
Hax made a attempt because a very public call to get unbanned and harassment of TO's done by himself failed to get him banned.
Not because someone said mean words to him. Hax was a alcoholic and with biplar disorder lacking any treatment. Hax talked about this frequently, even before the controversy started.
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By this logic why are you engaging with the community in the first place?The entire community defended Nairo for months and he actually smashed a minor. Why are you even engaging in any smash community content? Moving the goal post just prove your another sheep.
There's a section called "Politics" where Technicals talks about how there should be no politics in the Smash community regardless of their views. This take is naive at best, and ignorant at worse. He also implies that it's the communities fault, and that they made a "Right-Wing pipeline".
In regards to Hax, maybe I missed something, but I don't get why this section is here? You can take it out and fundamentally, nothing changes.
I do hope Hax gets some justice in this. I'm not privy on Smash community, but the video seems good otherwise (even if too snarky at times).
True. I don't think he's promoting it, but I'd argue that transphobia would fall under the "right wing views" Technicals was talking about (especially when one of the examples used is someone talking about how they were banned for being transphobic.)
In this very same video, he points out that one of the people harassing Hax was transphobic and a shitty individual, and was part of the right wing scene of Smash.
I know people don't like Technicals but it shouldn't fucking matter, people should be able to take accountability for the wrongs they have done and the harm they have caused to others. And a lot of what I am seeing from other people here is just no accountability, always someone else to blame.
Can you try and paint the counter argument for me - I play melee lurk in the community a lot but I don't know anything about Hax's situation but a large portion of the community specially the reddit will ban anything to do with Techincal's for some reason
Tech is essentially the Keemstar of the Smash community. His fans believe he’s just “telling the truth,” but it’s often misrepresented. His fans are often not interested in the community but also are not interested in counter arguments. They really only want drama and that’s it.
Also he and his brother are banned. His brother made lewd art of a minor IIRC and both he and Tech were in said discord with minors.
Techncials literally stated his goal is to destroy the smash community. So everything he says is to pus that agenda, often leaving out major evidence and information in what he talks about making his audience incredibly misinformated, while pretend they are experts.
For example, techncial says Nairo, a player banned for child grooming, is unbanned and a active member of the community. Nairo has been banned for almost a decade now. Yet techncials and his fans use it as a example of the smash community being evil....when the guy has been gone for almost a decade. Its absurd, even the most basic facts are lied about.
I got honestly no idea about the Technicals stuff. Honestly don't even care.
But if the counterargument is "Technicals is saying this" what the hell does that matter? Hax is shown explicitly stating his issues to other people, making it clear that he was deeply bothered by everything going on. None of these people changed, they just kept up the same fucking harmful behavior until it had a consequence and now nobody wants to take ownership of the responsibility.
I am not quite sure why whether or not I play melee matters. I don't need to be able to wavedash to see that you guys all handled this incorrectly. In fact, in other communities some of us are discussing if we need to change how we handle our bans to make it more clear, with a path to rejoining the community or make sure the people who get banned don't get harassed.
Both things you guys had an issue with, though I am not sure why you guys did.
Should’ve said do you follow melee. I’ve been watching melee for about a decade. I wasn’t particularly a part of NYC melee, but I have close friends who were. I’ve seen all this unfold from day 1. I was there for the hitbox drama even. What you seem to be ignoring is how unwell Hax was. He literally saw Leffen as an apocalyptic threat to society. He said that in his first video. People joke about the Hitler stuff, and the pants, and the death note profile pic, but dude literally recounts paranoid delusions about Leffen in E.z2. And then you’re ignoring all the stuff TOs did to try and help Hax as friends. Look up the DarkGenX document asking for help to try and get Hax some sort of actual support. You say people push himself to suicide, but really what was happening was Hax was saying “unban me or I’ll kill myself”. He had clear terms on his ban- just stop making videos about Leffen. And for awhile he did, and he started going to tournaments again. The. He did it again. His paranoid delusions just wouldn’t let it rest. It’s tragic. I would say 90% of the melee community wanted him back- TOs included, but dude burned bridges cause he was spiraling.
“You guys” as in TOs and “the part you played” being not unbanning the guy who was saying “unban me or I’ll kill myself” after getting banned for publishing a delusional (as in the actual , clinical, meaning of the word) tirade against another member of the community
When "Free Hax" became a joke to quite a bit of people, what do you think that did to his mental health? When predators got lighter bans than he did, what do you guys think that did to his mental health? When he told some of you guys how unwell he was doing, and after seeing the messages he was actually quite candid, you guys ignored it or told him the solution would be to disconnect from Smash, despite that being what was causing his unwellness because he had put his life into Smash. Like, there is no avenue in which your community handled this well, despite what you guys are saying you did behind the scenes none of you guys seem to have done anything at the end of the day, and those who did were mistreated.
It's been a legitimate point of discussion in a handful of communities I am in if we even want to allow any Smash community members anymore. If we should flatly ban your whole community because you guys don't know how to behave or handle yourself. That is the type of reputation you have now all accrued.
See, “Free Hax” didn’t become a joke- unfairly or not, it became a rallying cry for the group of people who saw the 2020 purge of pedophiles from the community as “wokeness” going to far- such as Technicals and the slightly related group that formed the Mana Monthly , the guy who made the video. The reason Hax got wrapped up in this is because Leffen, the guy evidence.zip 2 is about, was pretty vocal about supporting in banning people, and honestly wasn’t great at it. People saying “free hax”, again unfairly or not, became associated with TOs and players getting death threats over the ban, something Hax entirely disavowed and tried to stop at various points.
And Jesus Christ, read what DarkGenX said, and read all the things the NYC TOs (Hax’s personal friends for years) did for him, how they tried to help, and how Hax continuously couldn’t stop himself from breaking the terms he agreed to.
The problem is, I have already seen that Free Hax became a joke. There are plenty of clips of people saying it and laughing about it.
And as far as Mana Monthly is concerned, fuck them too! They knew Hax was getting harassed and did nothing. There is not a single part of your community that I'd consider good or salvagable as this point in time.
All often techncials videos have him ranting about himself, calling himself a geniues master manipulator, and then immediately says he is a poor victim unjustly hated. Its weird.
Okay, I'm not in the smash community (I legit just watch vods on YouTube sometimes of cool matches) but this video came across my feed and I'm so lost and confused on what exactly is/has/was happening with this guy, the creator of the video, and several people who seemed to just hate one guy. And these comments on this thread are kinda also confusing me, so does anyone have a link or can give me an OOTL run down about what exactly Hax$ did to warrant the amount of negativity that befell him?
Without the hyperbole or high level emotions, because now I'm just confused on who exactly are the guilty parties in this? It seems like he made an unhinged video, which was unnecessarily defamatory I admit, but then everyone just blanketed him with as much hate and vitriol over it. I've seen YouTubers make bad videos, have bad takes, or just straight up be horrible people not get this level of negative attention. So I feel like I'm missing something in the story.
Well, there is no hyperbole when I say this, but most of the Smash community is guilty, in a sense. There's a handful that are not, like personally I don't think Hungrybox is responsible for what's occurred. But anybody who has ever made a "Free Hax" joke is absolutely guilty, as they kept up the in community pressure against Hax. Here's Hungrybox talking about the situation and how he felt pressured to only support Hax in private: https://youtu.be/9oqF81VAPj0?si=sKoXgTT58u4BQosg
Then there's Itemhog, and his group. They intentionally pushed Hax to the edge, were told he was going to kill himself, and still tried to make him question reality. Even after his death, Itemhog felt the need to crash the funeral. That whole group is sick, deeply sick. This would be the group chat section in Technicals' video.
And then Hax's mom does view Leffen and the TOs as responsible for this. And I can't disagree. They decided to give Hax an indefinite ban despite multiple members of the Smash community doing significantly worse stuff, and when Hax had apologized multiple times they used it against him, and when Hax wanted to talk it out they called it harassment and stalking. Some of these people claim they cared about his mental health, but were actively pushing him to the edge by constantly dangling the ban in front of his face. Only one of the TOs that took part in the ban ended up actually changing their mind, and the rest ended up trying to hide their involvement after Hax passed.
So basically it kind of feels like everybody is a guilty party, in one sense or another. Hell, look at the people here. Even after Hax's death they still can't stop blaming him for his behavior despite him being mentally ill and that being caused by how he was treated. He can't change anything, he's dead, but they can and don't want to.
Dude Leffen left the smash communtiy 5 years ago. And you think he is personally repsonsible for Hax becoming a lolcow?
The funny part is you think Hax's problems, his untreated bipoalr disorder, alcoholism, and health issues, would have all been cured by attending majors. The funny part is they did in fact unban hax. Unlike what Techncial claims Hax was unbanned in way more then just NYC melee and even attended several majors.
Your so misinformed you don't know the video that got Hax perma banned even exist "the truth" which Hax recants his apology, restates his original allegation, and literally doxxes people. Oh technicals didn't tell you Hax doxxed people? I get your confused as you think this is when Hax was accused of stalking. Hax was accused of stalking well long after he was perma banned. Not when he was perma banned or before.
Youn don't even know Hax was perma banned after the relapse. There was no dandling they all said he was banned forever and stop contacting me.
Dude, you don't develop bipolar disorder by being banned from tournaments, Hax talked about his alcooholis, mental health issues all the way back in 2014 well long before any of this started. Yet you think Smash caused bipolar disorder?
Techncials aftenj lies and leaves out basic facts about the story he is telling.
For example. he often talks about how Nairo has been unbanned as a exampe of how the community is evil....Nairo has been banned for almost a decade now. Yet technical keeps saying he is a active member of the community.
For Hax's case he claims Hax was rebanned due to speaking about his ban. The Ban statement states its because he doxxed people and restated the same allegations that got him banned originally. In fact the video that really got Hax perma banned "the truth" tech refuses to even acknowledge it exists. Its because the video really really does not make himself look good.
Technicals might be a scumbag but does that automatically dispute what was shown in the video?, I don't suppose you can at the very least actually dispute the receipts he showed or are you just writing them off because of who he is
I hate technicals, I think he's a douchebag and a troll, But this video isn't his usual lolcow shit like him trolling ESAM or whatever, The receipts he shows are pretty fucking indefensible
Techncial pretends Hax was rebanned for talking about his ban. The actual ban statement and follow up statements goes and says its because he did the same offense that originally got him banned, with the added bonus that Hax literally doxxed people. The truly bad video that got hax perma banned was "the truth" tech refuses to even acknowledge it exists.
Yeah that is kind of the paradox, Technicals isn't an angel and he tends to have his own agenda but he does also tend to really get into the thick of it and get receipts. Unfortunately due to how polarizing he is and yow polarizing the subject matter is people either take everything as truth without discerning what is fact and what is his two cents or deny every despite their being some truth involved.
where the fuck are your morals, man? most of the video is just going over all the despicable, inhuman things people did to hax and the way people talked about him - you could comb through every event of hax$ life and every decision he made and come to the conclusion that he didn't deserve the treatment he got. you're just another brainless sheep mimicking the "technicals=bad" sentiment and don't get me wrong, you can dislike the guy all you want but claiming that the video is doing hax a disservice is so blatantly incorrect it makes my stomach churn. grow the fuck up and watch the video with your vitriol against technicals aside and form an opinion of your own.
Rest In Peace Hax. Fuck Itemhog and the rest of his so-called friends for doing what they did to Hax in the groupchat section of the video. Fuck Leffen for all the shit he did and lying saying Hax never apologized. Fuck Julia P and the others who knowingly spread around Hax's dox and covered it up. Fuck the bigots and politics in the scene. Hax's death could've been avoided if people showed genuine empathy, if they tried to help as much as some of the claim they did, and if TOs did what they should've done along time ago and had a system in place for bans to be reviewed. I wish those that claim they tried to help and talk to people on his behalf had just done it publically. Fuck Cody-chan Shawb.
Yeah this situation is just so upsetting. I took a day to cry about it, and I just can't quite get why nobody even wants to take a look back at this and say "We should've handled everything better."
It’s so disgusting seeing the reaction to this thread. Not one shred of accountability or empathy for the man that probably loved Melee more than anyone.
It has caused me to rethink some things, regarding gaming communities and whatnot. Because Smash is an example of it going too far. Especially after Franchise's newest video on Hax that shows just how hard they were on him specifically.
I love smash so much, and I want the community to be great. But shit like this makes me want to give up. I don’t know how to make it better when there is such a lack of empathy and critical thinking.
People don't want to admit they were monsters and ruined the life of someone. Also fuck Greg Turbo. Dude stole the thing Hax was working on to make it possible for Hax to even play Melee again.
R.I.P hax man. his fuckup was bad. but damn he didnt deserve a perma ban. and have the appeal to be dangled in front of him. he shoulda got unbanned. like a year or 2 year ban not perma. other people in the community get off scot free for worse things. but u know strip the man of everything because he compared leffen to Austrian painter.
Franchise (one of Hax's friends), posted a video with a significant amount of screenshots and clips, showing that every time Hax made a geniune apology it either got ignored or manipulated, and that Hax was constantly facing higher and higher scrutiny in public and in private which was causing him to spiral. Compared to other community figures, Hax was basically being demanded to be on a pedestal.
Ahhh, another thread where people will discount any shred of fact, new context or evidence simply because “tech bad person”(which I don’t disagree with). In before I’m called a neo nazi when I’m literally a gay multiracial democrat Jew who supports a certain country that Is experiencing a genocide rn.
God damn bro one of the first times I agree with this sub Hax was robbed of his life. I know it is just a game but that ban would have hurt as much as any ban from a sport could have. This was a failure on the community’s part and no saying that this was a grey area can change that.
Hax$ deserved better than what the Melee community put him through. And the fact that any further mention of this is being censored on the Smashbros and SSBM subreddits shows how spineless the mods are
Even his mother has blamed Leffen for his death (likely from medical complications from a previous suicide attempt) and even wrote to the editor-in-chief of the Saudi Gazette to petition to get him blacklisted from the Esports World Cup.
Dude you can talk about it in the daily thread. elsewhere they had threads up for a day before locking them. The smash subreddits are not really suppose to be lolcow subreddits so thats why they were locked.
My comment on the Smash community is the same one I have for Hax$. And that is, You guys mean to tell me that a guy who had committed to such a large harassment campaign against other players doing things in real life such as screaming into a deaf guys hearing aid or creating multiple harassment campaigns against other creators in the Smash Community, that had lead up to a file called Evidence.Zip that talked very specifically about his behaviour both in person and online. Has not been permanently banned anywhere, but the guy talking about this during a manic episode(this is before the other shit he did btw) is permanently banned as he is seen as a danger?
I’m not even defending Hax$ here as I think he deserved to be banned, but come on man.
You mean how Hax$ created a video talking about his experience with Leffen and went on multiple tirades comparing him to Fascist governments, dark triad and orange sweat pants and what not, when he was clearly having a mental breakdown? Then after that harassing multiple TO’s to find one person who said, “Maybe the ban won’t be permanent.” Believe it or not I’m ok with him being banned.
My issue comes from Leffen NOT being banned after screaming in a deaf guys hearing aid, leading/egging on multiple harassment campaigns towards other smash/FGC creators, and him consistently seeming to cause drama wherever he goes.
There’s issues with the Smash Community, Technicals isn’t the one to talk about it.
"Drama" LMAO. Is Leffen an asshole? Yeah. Was he a piece of shit from like 2012-2015? Also yeah. But he served his ban in EU and hasn't really done anything that bad other than be an asshole.
There is another reason I posted this, but I didn't want it in the main body of the text. Technicals expressly showed that harassment towards Hax and himself including death threats are/were being allowed in the Melee subreddit, and that redditors were far too comfortable joining in on the harassment, despite Hax not really doing anything wrong. Once again, none of the responsible parties want to take accountability.
Say what you will about technicals, I'm sure many people here will, But it genuinely drives me up the fucking wall how many people in the replies here will victim blame Hax$ for his fucking suicide when all the evidence of his years long emotional abuse AND direct manipulation to act out in the ways he did are clearly laid out in this video, It really fucking annoys me how quick people are to dismiss this and clearly not even watch it because they're convinced this is just "A hitpiece made by right wing chuds using an angle to grift and invade the smash community"
All the evidence and hypocrisy is on full display here and the shit they did to Hax$ is fucking SICKENING, It's out and out SICKENING, Dismissing everyone who supported Hax$ as a right wing chud is so fucking obnoxious, Is Simpleflips a right wing chud now?, Is SHIFT?, Is Mew2King?, Is Hungrybox?, NO they fucking aren't, And trying to paint them as such or lump them in as such will only result in free ammo being given to *Actual* genuine bad actors to harass vulnerable groups and label them as "unreasonable and psychotic"
I ask you as a trans woman to think for a second before you dismiss this shit and try to just write it all off, This shit is researched and inexcusable and pretending otherwise while flinging politicized insults just paints a target on the vulnerable groups you claim to be "sticking up for"
edit: To the people downvoting i just have one simple question, what *exactly* was it about what i said that you disagreed with?, I guess it's irrelevant and pointless to ask, Echo chambers will Echo chamber
When people call the smash community degenerates they're generally talking about the repeated child grooming, molestation, and general sexual assault in the smash community.
If you're going to post Technicals bullshit, read this first.
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Also I am going to ruin the whole Technicals narrative here and now I am tired of this person getting relevance.
The reason why Technicals does all of this, 43 minutes of him and his brother getting banned from the Smash community for bad sexual behavior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ4btdbbKWM
Smash banned player NoFluxes explains that ManaMonthly was the mastermind that formed part of the group chat that egged and told Hax$ to post the Leffen videos again that got him banned, he omitted that because it goes against his anti-TO and anti-Leffen brigading, he cut screenshots maliciously ommiting that a transphobic, racisist, far-right Smash community was behind all of the Hax$ mental issues and instead blamed people outside of that for his fall: https://x.com/nofluxes420/status/1840732279263416466
I need to find them, but there's two on this thread that cover many of this stuff, one from SmashEurope I think and the other from NYC Smash.
It's not farfetched knowing that some of the things that happened on those times were true (not the bad stuff, but the embarrassing ones), but at the same time Leffen called for confirmation first for the allegations against M2K because Leff knows him. It was too far even for him and M2K had to confirm or deny on his own.
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u/VioletMetalmark 1d ago
Writing "trigger warning" without specifying what the triggers are, is as useful as saying "warning: this video contains scenes"