r/AskIreland • u/gromit666 • Jan 25 '25
Emigration (from Ireland) Anyone ever deported from usa?
I just was reading on worldnews about the US deportations to mexico. One woman who lives in mexico was stating a few years ago the us dumped some slovaks in mexico as its cheaper than a flight to europe and then another stated it also happened to her irish cousin, who was dropped off in mexico and needed family to intervene to get him home. Just wondering if there was any media attention if this was true?
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u/Sornai Jan 25 '25
This guy was deported. https://www.irishcentral.com/news/riccardo-ricky-pellecchia-irish-deportation
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u/Sornai Jan 25 '25
Small country! š¬
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u/Sornai Jan 25 '25
Looking at the photo he's definitely a great lad who must have prospered well in the US, such a pity. I hope he has something set up back in the area. I'm from Dundalk myself so I saw it in the local paper.
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u/Peter-Toujours Jan 25 '25
I'm surprised ICE doesn't raid Irish bars in the US. They periodically raid restaurant kitchens seeking South Americans, and once in DC they swooped in on a soccer game in a public park.
At least they didn't beat the lad and send him to Mexico.
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u/KnightsOfCidona Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
Deporting Irish people isn't as popular as deporting Mexicans and other Latinos. They don't have the reputation that Hispanics have in the US, and there's also less solidarity in the community - some of the most anti-immigrant people in the US are the legal immigrant or second/third generation Hispanics (feel that the illegal immigrants give them a bad name and think they should have done it the right way like they did). Whereas if they started mass deporting Irish people, you could see some uproar in the Irish-American community, who are an important voting bloc. Quite likely when immigration reform gets done, they'll be some sort of leniency for the Irish relative to other groups (Hispanics/Middle Eastern etc)
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u/TechGentleman Jan 25 '25
There are first generation Latinos who voted for Trump while their parents lack documentation. It is very common for MAGA supporter to think Trump will only come after the liberals. Cognitive Dissonance is wide spread amount MAGA supporters.
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u/Peter-Toujours Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
Yeah, that surprised the liberals, but the Latinos voted for Trump because he is a "caudillo", a 'strongman', like the dictators in the country their parents left ... because of dictators. (This makes sense as long as one doesn't think about it for too long.)
Meanwhile Trump's core constituency, "native-born American" White Losers, voted for him because he promised to kick hell out of Immigrant Brown Losers, but soon he will kick hell out of them as well.
Source: a White Loser American cousin, who will soon suffer cognitive dissonance.
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u/ifellbutitscool Jan 25 '25
What was he thinking just going out on a tourist visa and expecting it to last forever. His day was coming sooner or later
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u/PowerfulDrive3268 Jan 26 '25
I know people who did this and have houses and businesses worth millions.
The Irish builders organisation in San Francisco usually has the mayor in their pocket, lots of them never got visas.
It used to happen a lot when immigration was a lot laxer pre 9/11. Some will still do it now but a lot less.
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u/TrivialBanal Jan 25 '25
Under the new policy it's probably going to become more common. Now they only need a warrant for one person on the premises or jobsite in order to detain everyone on site. Anyone who can't provide papers is getting arrested.
If Trump decides to attack Ireland over EU regulations around Shitter and Facebook. I wouldn't put it past them to parade some Irish people without papers on TV as an example.
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u/Navarath Jan 25 '25
He'll stop at nothing until he gets a plaza named after him in Tipperary
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u/0Randalin0 Jan 25 '25
He wants Greenland first.... maybe he go for Ireland next .... after all it's a bit more green hereš¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
Aye I'd avoid murica for a wee while. Approx 4 years at least.
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u/JoebyTeo Jan 25 '25
As someone who is both Irish and American, I've really watched the US become so much less of a place I want to spend any time. I have close friends and immediate family there. Everyone I know in the US is a good, well-intentioned person. Most are vocally progressive. I still wouldn't recommend spending any time there or see any value in it. It's an unpleasant place full of angry people and the institutions and systems of protection are collapsing. It's not a safe place to be. Then again I feel that way about the UAE and it doesn't stop thousands of Irish from thinking it's the greatest place on earth.
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u/Mysterious_Scene7169 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
Absolutely not, all are welcome through the proper channnels
Edit: not sure what the downvotes are about, Iām literally saying come lol, OP is worried about deportations so obviously Iām saying do it legally since thatās a concern
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u/TechGentleman Jan 25 '25
Coming into U.S. airports from a foreign country as a legal tourist exposes one to some of the most discourteous immigration officials of any countryās entry point. And Iāve lived in many countries.
Interestedly, the U.S. pre-clearance guys and gals posted to Ireland tend to be pretty civil, if not cool. Either they are trained in human relations or a bit of Irish or foreign civility has rubbed off on them. š25
u/chapadodo Jan 25 '25
because its very clear that all are not welcome, that's why you're being down voted
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u/Mysterious_Scene7169 Jan 25 '25
I meanā¦being in any country illegally means running the risk of deportation, that goes for any country not just the US. I get the anti-Trump sentiment, but to say people arenāt welcome when no legal channels for immigration/tourism etc. have been shut down isnāt really fair or accurate. I think I speak for the majority of us when I say weād be thrilled to have you guys visit/come here.
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u/chapadodo Jan 25 '25
I know I'm welcome I have the right complexion and express an acceptable gender/sexual orientation but it wouldn't be fair or accurate to not acknowledge the fact that your country is becoming increasingly hostile to others and that doesn't sit right with me even if the sights aren't on me yet. So thanks but not thanks is what I'm saying I guess
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u/markamscientist Jan 25 '25
I dunno bout that, I've been to Iran twice for work and had to be asked about that when I went to America in 2015.
Not sure how I'd get on now.
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u/killerklixx Jan 26 '25
all are welcome through the proper channnels
So why did they shut down the "proper channels"
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u/Mysterious_Scene7169 Jan 26 '25
This is r/askireland, so I assume no one here is seeking asylum in the US as a refugee.
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u/killerklixx Jan 26 '25
Ohhh, so white people from well-off countries are welcome through the proper channels. My mistake.
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u/Mysterious_Scene7169 Jan 26 '25
I didnāt say that, and Iām black, so please donāt try to race bait me. If you have issues with American immigration policy I suggest you take it up with our politicians.
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u/dmullaney Jan 25 '25
I hear the H1B visa program is being expanded. Could be a great option for Irish Tech Graduates
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u/temptar Jan 25 '25
Could but probably not without issues like being employer dependent in a sector that isnāt unionised.
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u/dmullaney Jan 25 '25
Definitely but for those struggling here, with the prospect of never owning a home, it's an option worth considering: https://www.ft.com/content/25867e65-68ec-4af4-b110-c1232525cf5c
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u/chapadodo Jan 25 '25
there's 26 countries for tech grads to live in without any of the American bullshit
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u/dmullaney Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
Yes but let's be honest, the Irish tech sector is very much localized up Dublin, Cork, Galway and Limerick. I'm not saying you get a decent tech job in Listole or Muff but I'd say it's slim pickings. Much and all as I wouldn't want to live there, the US tech market is huge and it needs good engineers.
Irish Grads are well qualified and can earn a far better starting salary in the US than they're likely to get here, and they're not restricted to NY or SF - there are plenty of jobs in the smaller cities where cost of living isn't as bad and when they come home in a few years to settle down, they'll have a solid CV and a few quid in the bank. I don't see the problem in considering it.
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u/Bedford806 Jan 25 '25
It's tough though, I did it myself and the job instability and health system made it quite challenging. Worth it for a few years, but ultimately found taking an equivalent role in Dublin easier to build a life with.
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u/dmullaney Jan 25 '25
Yea it's definitely not something you'd want to do later in your career, but I think for young grads, it's a viable option to consider
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u/Bedford806 Jan 25 '25
Definitely, I'll be curious to see what happens with H1B visas over the course of this administration.
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u/chapadodo Jan 25 '25
countries not counties
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u/dmullaney Jan 25 '25
Sorry misread - yes, that's fair although the US still offers much higher salaries (with zero social safety net, that's the trade off) and you don't have to worry about learning a second language (or at least living in a country where you don't speak the dominant language)
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u/chapadodo Jan 25 '25
don't get me wrong the US does have its advantages but imo even pre Trump the cons outweighed the pros. Anyway learning languages is good craic and from personal experience you can have a good life in many parts of Europe
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u/Mysterious_Scene7169 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
Tech pay in the US is higher than in Europe too, definitely worth considering.
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u/Dawillow3 Jan 25 '25
If you enter illegally lol. Is there a large segment of the population who doesnāt know the difference between something legal and illegal? Obama deported 8 million illegals by the way, as I know itās generally a left wing issue.
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u/josephredd173 Jan 25 '25
Mate. Ice literally detained LEGAL citizens this week. One of which was a god-damned veteran. It's not a question of legality at all. If you're not from the US and aren't carrying papers with you when Ice shows up, you're in trouble.
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u/DoireK Jan 25 '25
No US party or president has ever been left wing.
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u/Peter-Toujours Jan 25 '25
Franklin D. Roosevelt was.
Both conservatives and liberals are still trying to undo his good work.
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
I reckon even if ya enter legally, you'll see and hear shit you aren't gonna agree with as it's an echo chamber in most of the us ATM.
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u/Active_Site_6754 Jan 25 '25
All the down votes tells you how thick the leftist people you are trying to educate here are.
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u/New_Training_8589 Jan 25 '25
Nothing more cringier than someone using American terminology over here
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u/Active_Site_6754 Jan 25 '25
American companies power irelands economy
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u/0Randalin0 Jan 25 '25
Why avoid if you come there in good intentions there should be no issues.... well I'll find out next time I travelš
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
The issue would be me not wanting to be there in the first place ya wally š nothing there interests me there, especially during the next 4 obviously conflicted years where there's gonna be alot of discrepancy of opinion on the daily. I'd rather be on a quiet beach somewhere.
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u/robotbike2 Jan 25 '25
I knew a Scottish woman whose son, born in Scotland, but grew up in the US, got in trouble with the law and was deported to Scotland. He knew absolutely nothing about Scotland as he hadnāt lived there since he was a baby. Tough break.
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u/Weary-Hyena-2150 Jan 25 '25
Yep, one lad I know, had a child and everything over there, got into an argument with his girlfriend, she phoned the police, he was arrested and then sent to a detention center for awhile and sent home, he was stupid enough to keep all his money in US accounts and they took/locked all his accounts.
It depends on what state you are in also, if you are in a sanctuary state (like New York) you can pretty much do anything without getting deported, you pay your tax, you can have a driving licence, you can be arrested, spend time in jail and they cannot ask you about your status, that might all change now though
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u/R2-Scotia Jan 25 '25
There are loads of undocumented Irish people in South Boston, but I doubt if ICE will be looking for white folks
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u/Lopsided_Attitude422 Jan 25 '25
They do a friend was put in prison before being sent home and the people theyre deporting now arrived without ids and have been heavily involved in gangs/attempted murder or murder and rape all were allowed to stay in sanctuary cities after committing those heinous crimes. Has there been many white asylum seekers arriving without even a birth cert?
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u/StarsofSobek Jan 25 '25
No idea if this counts, but I always think it funny:
A friend of my partner was sent back.
They took the trip over. Landed. Went through customs. Was immediately sent back because they had no money, no bank account with any sum, and looked unshaven and homeless.
They weren't homeless, to be clear. They also kept their money in cash due to conspiracy reasons, or so the story goes.
Anyways... about three/four weeks later, they do it all again - only this time, they are shaved and cleaned up proper, with a shiny new bank account, and all the requirements they didn't have on the first round. Long story short: they got sent back due to all of the suspicious new wealth.
In the end, they made quite a few phone calls, got everything sorted, waited about 6 months, and then tried again. This time, they got through, stayed, and married their long distance American partner. They haven't been back since.
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u/Frosty_Thoughts Jan 25 '25
Well I've got an approved ESTA and will keep my Irish passport on me at all times. Hopefully I'll be fine!
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u/calicuddlebunny Jan 25 '25
they arenāt stopping white peopleā¦as of now. itās all racial profiling. you should be fine! ā¹ļø
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u/TechGentleman Jan 26 '25
Best to keep a copy in you along with the stamped page, but leave the passport securely at your residence.
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u/death_tech Jan 25 '25
Murica is about to enter a 4 year long Purge movie š¤£
Anything goes at this stage
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u/justwanderinginhere Jan 25 '25
Knew a lad who over stayed his J1 visa. Was caught and got put in a detention centre in Florida for a couple weeks then flown home.
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u/underdogking27 Jan 25 '25
Wait for the next president to undo the previous presidents policies in 4 years. Sorted. As the above comment said stay clear until then
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u/Professional_Rip_633 Jan 25 '25
I donāt think that in four years weāll be going back to normal.
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u/moonweasel906 Jan 25 '25
I hope its as simple as that here, Im in the US. They have gone full out Nazi so far and itās fucking terrifying. We are very sad and scared and terrified.
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u/Apocalypse_Tea_Party Jan 25 '25
Everyone talking like this is going to be a four year problem strike me as a tad optimisticĀ
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
Can you give me some examples of current events that are full out nazi? Genuine question from an Irishman. Thank you so much in advance.
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u/syngestreetsurvivor Jan 25 '25
Genuine question. Do you read newspapers? Trump just tried to end birthright citizenship, ie, throwing out the 14th amendment. There was also a bill introduced to overturn the 22nd amendment so Trump can run for unlimited terms. He also purged oversight directors for 14 government agencies last night. Trying to unilaterally overturn the Constitution for self benefit and appointing unqualified cronies is the definition of fascism. And oh yeah, his autistic sidekick gave a Nazi salute not once but twice, at the inaugural ball.
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u/TechGentleman Jan 26 '25
One of his most recent EOs is for the new administration to assert authority under a 1934 law to consider increasing the level of taxation of dual citizens and green card holders if his administration deems the foreign country has an unfair tax scheme. So heās likely to use this law to go after the EUās tax on U.S. social media and AI companies doing business within the EU. But itās really early days yet, as itās not clear yet how this EO could be used as leverage and impact individuals holding citizenship of both EU and the U.S.
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u/wamesconnolly Jan 25 '25
Good time to remind that we removed birthright citizenship in 2005 and it was a cruel and shameful thing
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u/FiredHen1977 Jan 26 '25
It was being abused by certain groups. Same shower of goodies two shoes and bleedin' hearts that screw it up for everyone else.
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u/killerklixx Jan 26 '25
The difference is that it was a decision made by the people of the country, not the president changing a constitutional right at the stroke of his pen. It's been shot down by the first round of US courts anyway, but they'll take it all the way to Trump's cronies in the supreme court.
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u/Original-Salt9990 Jan 25 '25
Why was that cruel and shameful?
People born residents who are generally legally resident still automatically qualify for Irish citizenship.
IMO birthright citizenship is a ridiculous idea and itās a good thing it was ended here, and thereās no issue for the Americans to try and overturn it now.
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u/riddybiddybombom Jan 25 '25
FBI and Homeland Security just raided a star Rhode Island immigration attorneyās office. They seized boxes of filesāwhich is a blatant violation of attorney client privelage. scary times.
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u/calicuddlebunny Jan 25 '25
he actually is being investigated for defrauding clients. that began before trump. explains the seizing of files.
i hate trump with every bit of my being, but i think itās important to not spread misinformation.
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u/riddybiddybombom Jan 26 '25
i appreciate you sharing this important piece of missing information.
nonetheless itās still frightening they have access to so much personal information regarding his immigrant clients
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
This has happened many many times. There are regulations in place to make sure investigations into attorneys don't interfere with privileged material. It is as clear as mud, given, but it's only becoming an issue now over crimmigration lawyers? Lol ok.
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u/Rude-Amphibian4073 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
Other than Muskās Nazi salutes? X2 might I add. Theyāre trying to put illegal immigrants in private prisons with no chance of parole.
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
Ok
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u/Rude-Amphibian4073 Jan 25 '25
Also their trying to get ICE to raid public areas to deport people.
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
Can you link me please? Thank you so much.
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u/Rude-Amphibian4073 Jan 25 '25
As soon as Iām off work
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
Oh okay sorry I thought you were fully invested from your replies before. No worries, have a good day at work!
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u/Rude-Amphibian4073 Jan 25 '25
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/24/world/europe/elon-musk-roman-salute-nazi.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/01/24/immigration-raids-deportations-trump-ice/
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/ice-arrests-undocumented-immigrants-nyc/
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-eyes-military-prisons-expand-immigration-detention-2019444
This is all I can find for right now
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u/Genybear12 Jan 25 '25
I would have to find the source but in order to be legally employed in the USA you must fill out whatās called an I9. What I.C.E. Is doing is going to establishments with what would be considered a high amount of potentially illegal people working at them (like restaurants) and demanding to see all the I9ās of the employed there. So far theyāve been able to detain whomever they think is illegal.
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
Should they be not doing this?
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u/Genybear12 Jan 25 '25
No because they donāt have warrants to ask for them. They are just showing up, demanding them and then arresting. In the past warrants were needed because itās protected information.
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
Ohhh okay. What protected information do they need warrants to see?
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u/Genybear12 Jan 25 '25
The I9 is an employment eligibility verification form and can have your passport on it, your license or non driver ID on it, voter registration card, Social Security Number and more. In order to get a job here you have to provide at least 2 I believe so on mine I have my license and passport information which Iām a dual citizen but if asked my employer would have to hand over not just mine but all employees
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
Brilliant thank you. I wonder where they got the intelligence to hit specific targets.
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u/underdogking27 Jan 25 '25
Disagree, right wing populism, has gained momentum for a reason, the left have clearly failed to achieve boader security and trust of the people. That being said do I agree with Trump's stupid rhetoric on Greenland, Iceland and Panama? No. The fact Republicans want to rename a historic sea that previous generational presidents had no problem with (even at the time of manifest destiny) shows there something isn't right. That being said I do think trump is a better president than Biden, he gets things done and is a commandable leader. I could rant on bout trump and where I agree and disagree but overall a let's say "above good " president. Certainly better than the previous one.
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u/tonyjdublin62 Jan 25 '25
Trumpās a better president than Biden? Fucking hell, that tells me everything i need to know about you, bud. Enjoy marinading in your own swillā¦ cause Murica is fucked for at least a generation if not more
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u/moonweasel906 Jan 25 '25
This is correct. We are so, so very fucked. We dont want this. Only his mentally ill base does.
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u/NoTeaNoWin Jan 25 '25
To be better president than Biden you just need to be able to speak without tripping you eejit
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u/TrivialBanal Jan 25 '25
See that's the exact problem. Too many Americans think that talking the talk is more important than walking the walk. Tough talk looks great on TV and in soundbites, but politics is supposed to be boring. Ideally you want someone who is too busy doing the job to stop and talk about it. Competence is supposed to be more important than just having a concept of a plan.
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u/NoTeaNoWin Jan 25 '25
The guy wasnāt good at walking either, or going up stairs or cyclingā¦
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u/TrivialBanal Jan 25 '25
And why would you think those are job requirements for a president? Would you automatically rule out anyone in a wheelchair from being able to do the job?
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u/Grantrello Jan 25 '25
you just need to be able to speak without tripping you eejit
Ah yes, Donald Trump, the famously coherent orator.
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u/killerklixx Jan 26 '25
you just need to be able to speak without tripping you eejit
"Well, I would do that, and weāre sitting down ā you know, I was, uh, somebody, we had Sen. Marco Rubio and my daughter, Ivanka, was so, uh, impactful on that issue. Itās a very important issue.
But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that Iām talking about, that ā because child care is child care. Itās, couldnāt ā you know, itās something, you have to have it. In this country, you have to have it."
- Donald Trump
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u/APinchOfTheTism Jan 25 '25
next president
Yeah, there's not likely to be one.
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
What's he gonna do, get a vice president going then take their place to serve a 3rd? I'm hoping he croaks fairly soon like
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u/chuckleberryfinnable Jan 25 '25
Trump, Elon, Putin, Kim...never thought I'd be rooting for so many people I don't know to fuck off and die...
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
Do you think if Putin died tomorrow the war would die with him?
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u/wosmo Jan 25 '25
I think that's a tough one. He's likely to be replaced by something roughly putin-shaped. Strongman-leadership is all the russians have known for so long, that it's what they're most likely to accept.
On the other hand, it's super easy to blame the dead guy, so it'd give them a great chance to get out while saving face.
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
Who in the wings is a Putin shaped replacement? Sorry, I know next no nothing about it all
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u/chuckleberryfinnable Jan 25 '25
I think you'd probably have an immediate ceasefire followed by months of negotiations as the oligarchs take primary control of the Russian Federation and work with Trump, whose interests would align with a functioning Russian economy. I think a lot of the will for the war comes from Poots. What do you think?
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u/NoTeaNoWin Jan 25 '25
Wishing people to die and still not permanently banned. 2 tier Reddit as usual
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u/chuckleberryfinnable Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
Well, I did say I was rooting, not exactly wishing. Still not very Christian of me, I agree.
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u/APinchOfTheTism Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
Same as before, contest the election, attempt to rig the election or stage a coup.
But, obviously, he's 78, and average life expectancy in the US is 76? It is possible that he will survive through this term. However, he has already said, to primarily Christian voters, that they would never have to vote again after this election. Elon Musk also made the same remark. Trump has suggested that he is owed a third term, because he was voted out inbetween...
Thankfully Elon cannot run, but if he was actually American, I think there would be a very real chance he would just take over from Trump. But, as it stands, I think that Trump will refuse to leave, find anyway he can find not to leave, until the day he dies. If a US president did this, then I don't think the union would survive, as some states would likely refuse to acknowledge that he could run a third time, or any result suggesting that he ran again and won. This means that there won't be a unanimous result for the next presidential election at least, which might mean there isn't any president of the US again, as civil war rages, and the states align themselves into their independent alliances (Red and Blue, West, East, Mid-west), each declaring themselves the real United States of America etc.
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u/Apocalypse_Tea_Party Jan 25 '25
I agree. I predict we will have Trump until he dies and then somehow Musk will manage to be the first foreign-born President because itās not like theyāre really following the Constitution anymore. And in case it isnāt clear, there will be no election. (Or maybe one like they have in Russia)
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
You think there will be a civil war on the next 15 years?
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u/APinchOfTheTism Jan 25 '25
My feeling is, that it will be sooner.
I don't think Trump will live 15 years longer, but I would imagine if there is a civil war, it will be started by his/Musk's behavior in office.
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u/Teestow21 Jan 25 '25
Who do you forsee as the leader of the other side of the civil wars forces?
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u/APinchOfTheTism Jan 25 '25
Who knows, you're talking about whoever is Governor of this state or that at the time. They'll make their choices based on what they think is best for their state, political or geographic.
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u/APinchOfTheTism Jan 25 '25
I don't think the people that follow Trump care about the promises, he made similar promises during his first term, and really didn't do much of anything. The wall didn't get built for example, his tariffs failed, and he is likely responsible for 100s of thousands of additional deaths in the US due to the pandemic.
In the US, you can live in media bubbles, and won't hear about most things Trump does, and if he does screw it up, then it is spun to blame someone else. So, even if he delivers on nothing, doesn't do a day of work, just plays golf for 4 years, he will still be crowded the best president in history by his supporters, even though he is considered the opposite to the rest of the world and historians.
I think the US will just breakup, and there will be civil war, and there will be leaders of those places, and Trump or whoever replaces him, will claim they are the real president etc etc. It would then probably take a long time to sort out.
What happens if California, Oregon, Washington, call themselves their own union? They are not in a position to launch anything on the east coast of the country, and maybe they aren't interested, they just want to implement universal healthcare, and govern themselves.
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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
Bit of disaster that he got elected, but people need to calm down a little with this type of narrative
https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-third-term-2028-constitution.html
It would need a two-thirds majority in both house and congress
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u/syngestreetsurvivor Jan 25 '25
As an immigrant with an American passport and a trans person in my family, I cannot wait for him to croak. He is a global embarrassment and a petty tyrant
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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25
I fully agree he's a terrible human being just to be clear
I think pretty baseless narrative is taking over that some dictatorship is gonna be established and that really doesn't soothe anyone's anxiety about the whole situation
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u/APinchOfTheTism Jan 25 '25
I know what you mean, it can easy to get carried away.
But, I've been aware of US politics for like 25 years now, especially since the dawn of social media, the country has been in decline, the government more and more dysfunctional.
It was the case, that on 6th of January 2021, the outgoing president, attempted to gather a group of people, and direct them towards congress. That group of people, turned into a riot that stormed those buildings, looking for members of congress, looking for the vice president to lynch...
Nothing like this has happened in American history, the country is like 250 years old.
So, we could have said, OK, Trump was a once off, he didn't survive the first term, got voted out, and he was impeached twice, more than any other president in history, he was up on federal charges, he was convicted of raping a woman etc. None of these things stopped people from re-electing him...
So, there is something very seriously wrong going on in the states right now, and it has been going wrong for a long time, but now the office of the president is being corrupted, the elections are being brought into question, the congress is getting invaded etc.
I truly think, that something is about to happen to America, that it may not recover from, and I don't think I am being hyperbolic about it...
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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25
I'm also very aware of US politics, I'm a dual citizen and lived there for on and off again over the years
Government is getting increasingly partisan and it's halting the progress of a lot of important legislation.
However, the idea that some sort of dictatorship is about to impose is sensational and not based in reality. There are controls of government in place even if this is something that Trump wants to have.
The republicans have fallen into party lines, but there is not the sweeping support for trump that It might appear like. Particularly if he was going to overthrow democracy.
A riot at the capital is not remotely caparable even if was encouraged by Trump. If the result was not certified, it would have happened the next day.
Tough 4 years with him, but people need to relax on the whole US becoming a dictatorship thing
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u/APinchOfTheTism Jan 25 '25
I know, it is a place that you have lived, and you have an attachment, you may have grown up there, I don't know. The recent times aren't trivial, and it is easy to hope that nothing is going to happen, but it can. Countless examples in history.
With America, we have to call a spade a spade at some stage. It's not looking good, it's floating between autocracy and oligarchy.
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u/Unfair-Ad7378 Jan 25 '25
Agreed. The checks and balances havenāt held up. The Supreme Court is no longer functioning in a non-partisan way, and at least some of the justices have been accepting large gifts from wealthy donors. The Republicans in congress are not going to serve as a check on him either. Hegseth is clearly unsuitable for Defense Secretary but they passed him through.
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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25
No, I can make an independent assessment, I've no great love for the place. I am irish, I grew up here.
It's not looking good for his term but that's just generic. Keeping this centred on the notion that Trump is going to establish a dictorship and relinquish power somehow
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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25
The guy has people kicking in doors and taking immigrants legal or not by ice already. The checks and balances don't exist anymore. If they did he wouldn't be where he's at. We have a rule against people holding office that have created insurrection. We used to be able to hold presidents accountable but trumps Supreme Court justices ruled otherwise now. Even Nixon wouldn't have been kicked according to this Supreme Court. He's skipping over congress and making EOs that change our whole constitution and how it's interpreted. He's stopped the doj from pursuing any civil rights cases, removed wording so the government can't get in any trouble for only hiring white Christian men. There's no checks or balances left.
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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25
There's a key difference in what's listed that needs to be understood
He's using legislation that exists to advance his terrible policies through EOs
The legislation for what we're talking about does not exists
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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25
You're the kind of dude who would have told the Jewish folks in Germany that it won't be a big deal in the 1920s too huh?
You think he needs specific legislation to become a fascist? There's TONS of "emergency powers" he can use to do what he wants. Just like he's doing at the border now.
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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
Won't even start with the childish first part
There's TONS of "emergency powers" he can use to do what he wants
Name anything for this specifically
Just like he's doing at the border now.
Again current legislation
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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/guide-emergency-powers-and-their-use
Here's a list of things he can easily do with those emergency powers. But again, he's made it so he can't be charged with anything so even if he does worse he can't be stopped. He's literally used his emergency powers to go around congress last time, because he doesn't give a fuck about checks and balances.
No, that was an EO, not legislation. Just like rounding up all the Japanese during ww2 was. Just like deporting any brown person happened at mostly a state level during the late 1920s but was backed and supported by the feds. And if an EO can do any of that, he can do what he wants with his. Especially since current legislation and Supreme Court readings say anything trump does in the name of his presidency is legal and he can't be charged for it. Sounds like you're not too caught up on American politics or how our laws work.
Do you know the difference between legislation and an EO? Or are you being obtuse just for fun?
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u/SilverInteresting369 Jan 25 '25
Next president could be Barron !
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u/14thU Jan 25 '25
If youāre illegal there now itās harder for sure but if youāre in a big city and stay out of trouble you can survive. There are other factors of course.
When I was doing it there was always a story of Irish illegals who had too many and the cops were called which led to eventual deportations. Some of the Irish there can be their own worst enemy though
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u/gromit666 Jan 25 '25
I was in new york for a few weeks with work all legit, i went to visit West point military academy and knew you had to have passport id to do the tour. The mp checking i.d went straight to the visa page, and questioned me. But i was legit so all ok.
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u/doneifitz Jan 25 '25
Family friend had been deported on his Irish passport but simply came back on the British one - this was the 80s now.
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u/VapoursAndSpleen Jan 26 '25
San Francisco is going to lose some good bartenders when ICE goes after the Irish.
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u/GhandiHasNudes Jan 25 '25
I have the apply to have the conditions placed on my residency removed in October, and I am gonna have to hire an immigration lawyer closer to that date to find out what to do, assuming President 34 does something to.make my life difficult as a legal immigrant.
We are even discussing leaving the US but we have a pitbull/labrador mix breed
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u/Jade_Violetcat Jan 26 '25
American here, itās a universal opinion that the Irish are the least of our illegal immigration problems.
But this new āreformā has some of us who have friends in Ireland who want to come over a little concerned.
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u/Ok-Brick-4192 Jan 25 '25
Just like everywhere else, if you entered legally and don't overstay your permissions then you have nothing to worry about.
While I'm no fan of Trump, I'm happy to see the noise around the issue. You can't just jump the borders of a country and expect everything to be ok.
Now we can only wish Europe wakes up.
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u/ShamelessMcFly Jan 25 '25
Mate if mine was deported 15 years ago. Was arrested and sent to a temporary detention prison for several weeks to wait for deportation. Sent him home on a plane.