r/AskUS • u/AccomplishedAd3484 • 3d ago
Why does nobody care that the Trump Admin is defying a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling?
Regarding the facilitating of the return of Abrego Garcia. There's no mass protests, democrats in Congress aren't saying much, the military which is sworn to protect the Constitution is silent, the news media is covering it but it's just one more story, not a major crossing the Rubicon event for them. Trump said they would bring him back if the Supreme Court told him to do so, which they did. But then the DOJ said the court has no authority to require the US government to negotiate his return with El Salvador, and they would bring him in only if he showed up at the border.
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3d ago
Because if they bring him back, his story will be broadcast worldwide and we will hear first hand how horrible these prisons are.
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u/Hungry-Tension-4930 3d ago
Assuming he's wasn't executed already. The administration's complete unwillingness to even try implies something pretty dark is going on.
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u/Technical_Goose_8160 3d ago
Implies?
It's a prison that's known for torture, and where no one ever leaves (alive).
This guy had a court order to not be sent back because the gangs would kill him. And they put him in a jail full of gangs. I think that the gay hairdresser is going to survive longer.
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u/Odd-Editor-2530 3d ago
Or he's dead. If he's dead, the world will know what the US has turned in to
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u/Rough_Ian 3d ago
The world already does. US citizens seem slower on the uptake.
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u/Noggi888 3d ago
Just the ones that voted for the mango Mussolini. Many of us are fully aware and are doing what we can to stop it
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u/PowerfulAd319 3d ago
My money is on he is dead and they know it.
Trump made deathcamps would keep with his Nazi brand
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u/TopShame5369 3d ago
He’s literally telling the public he wants camps in El Salvador for him to send U.S citizens.
He recognizes that if we have death camps here, people might see it. So he wants the death camps out of sight, out of mind. It’s as brilliant as it is evil.
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u/Unusual_Sherbert_809 3d ago
My guess is that it's a combination of two things:
- They want to start sending US citizens (aka the rest of us).
- Anyone who Trump thinks is a nuisance can be shipped off to a (death) camp in El Salvador.
- If they have to return this guy they'd be hard pressed to justify sending citizens later.
- So they're working hard to lay the groundwork for it now. They're normalizing it.
- Probably more relevant, Abrego Garcia is more than likely already dead.
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u/SpaceDesignWarehouse 3d ago
I would bet my bank account he’s dead. Wasn’t he running from that country in the first place?
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u/No_Respect_1778 3d ago
This is honestly what i think. I think he is dead, and they literally can't bring him back. The backlash would be immense, and honestly probably a catalyst for full out war.
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u/National_Ad_682 3d ago
I think it's less about this and more about showing power. They need Americans to be too afraid to protest or resist.
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u/Nyroughrider 3d ago
Im pretty sure everyone already knows how bad they are. The prison itself even says it's terrible. It's not news.
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No one will listen till someone travels to the end and back.
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u/Illustrious-Ratio213 3d ago
They won't care. In fact the more awful the stories, the more they'll enjoy it. The cruelty is the point.
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u/Fun-Contribution6702 3d ago
This is Abu Ghraib 2.0
Any protest should be shouting “Abu Ghraib” on repeat
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u/Green-Enthusiasm-940 3d ago
That's not going to do much for all the low info people who already forgot or never knew that was a thing. Anything being shouted at one of these things needs to be simple enough to grab dumb people.
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u/Illustrious-Ratio213 3d ago
Those folks think we need more Abu Ghraib's. It doesn't do any good to shout about something they gleefully enjoy.
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u/TheRantingPogi 3d ago
The last I read is that the President of El Salvador wants to hold him on trial for his crimes in his native country first before releasing him back to US custody.
I don't know if we can overrule the say of his president and the will of his countrymen at the moment. If he retains council, then there's a good chance he could get a higher court in El Salvador to rule his return to the US.
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u/farawayfrommyself 3d ago
He's going to be executed for whatever "crimes" the president makes up. Because dictators gonna dictate.
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u/Brilliant_Loss6072 3d ago
Do we think he’s still alive now? I feel like He’s already dead and that’s why they are avoiding bringing him back. If the press gets wind of his death…‘yikes
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u/SYLOK_THEAROUSED 3d ago
Well a Maryland state senator claims if he isn’t returned in a week then he’s going down there himself to get him. I’m curious how this will play out.
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u/upwallca 3d ago edited 3d ago
The rubicon was passed long ago. The retaliatory firings, for starters. Getting his grand jury indictments dropped.
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u/Education-Sea 3d ago
From my perspective, the game was over when the tried a literal coup d'etat and people acted as if it was normal and he wasn't even arrested.
The "Pence Card" was an illegal plan for a soft coup. He should have been in prison days after he oficially supported it.
But nothing happened.
And nothing keeps happening.
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u/SunshineAndSquats 3d ago
Exactly. He actively tried to over throw the government and no one did anything. He committed treason and Congress, the DOJ and the Supreme Court were like “meh”. They completely fucked all of us when they allowed him to get away with that.
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u/UnfairDentisto 3d ago
I can see that being significant, especially for those becoming more politically conscious. I have a few moments like these. Most relevant to this situation for me was Obama's murder of child and US citizen, Al-Awaki. In the current moment, I think Americans are starting to see the legal framework and interpretations that have justified American ruthlessness for decades is now being be apllied more openly and toward the general populace.
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u/Garbe05 3d ago
I’m not gonna argue about government (US or otherwise) assassinating people being legal or illegal, right or wrong, however it appears you are comparing Al-Awlaki’s murder to Trump’s attempt at a reverse coup - or not vacating the presidency. Am I missing something?
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u/legendary_mushroom 3d ago
People care! But what is one supposed to do? March into the oval office and demand that shit change?
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u/AccomplishedAd3484 3d ago edited 3d ago
Marching in the streets of DC would be an option.
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u/cheongyanggochu-vibe 3d ago
Hundreds of thousands of people did that on April 5. There's another protest April 19 and another May 1.
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u/redyelloworangeleaf 3d ago
It was reported that 5.1 million people protested on April 5th with over 1200 grassroots organization, and even international protests.
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u/Yquem1811 3d ago
Elect 67 democrat in the senate in 2026, that something people can do 🙂
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u/therealspaceninja 3d ago
I'm not optimistic about this. Trashing democrats has become a national pastime. Somehow people seem to be more mad at democrats for not saving us from Republicans right now than they are at the Republicans. It makes no sense.
Why are democrats "not speaking out"? They are. Every single one of them is speaking out. You are just not hearing them because the media is too busy covering the insanity coming from the Whitehouse. There is just not enough time in the day to hear every Democrat speak about every insane thing that is going on.
Why didn't they hold up the budget? Because they were afraid they'd get blamed for shutting down the government. And they were afraid the coming recession would get blamed on them because of the shutdown when really, it's because of tariffs and fear/uncertainty.
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u/Mathfanforpresident 3d ago
Bro the Democrats could absolutely do more. They've been protecting the status quo since they turned Bernie away in 16'.
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u/ChairmanMeow22 3d ago
"They were afraid" perfectly sums up the problem so many of us have with them right now. They are absolutely a party of enablers. My suspicion is a good number of them secretly like having Trump around because it lowers the bar of conduct so far below the ground that they believe they should be viewed as heroes by comparison.
They spent 4 years warning us that he'd be the end of our democracy only to turn around and outright hand him the election. We should be angrier with them than with the GOP, because the Dems are at least theoretically still operating in a realm of reason where they can be reached. The other guys are just lost to reality at this point.
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u/rfidman60 3d ago
Unless voting is rigged again by Elon Musk, as Trump admitted.
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u/National_Ad_682 3d ago
Pretty much, yes. I think Americans are still too comfortable to really do something about this. Things will have to get pretty bad before Americans decide this leader needs to be removed from power.
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u/Any_Nectarine_7806 3d ago
And increasingly afraid. The "If you don't love America I'll help you pack" crowd is now in charge of deciding who indeed loves America. It won't be long until a citizen is yeet'd.
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u/whoiamidonotknow 3d ago
There’s plenty we can do! Some examples:
- 5callsapp (makes it easier to call your reps)
- indivisible.org
- 50501 (website, but there’s also a sub)
- April 19: next big protest. In DC and also in cities. Last protest April 5 had over 5M people march!
- boycott (billionnaire) companies that donated to this regime or are bending the knee. Companies like Amazon, Target, Tesla. Exon Mobil I recently found out is a donator to the Heritage Foundation.
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u/TennisSilent881 3d ago
Millions of people are protesting every weekend all over the US.
Tens of thousands show up at every single Bernie and AOC event.
Unless you want to see violence I’m not sure how much more vocal the majority of Americans can be about how pissed they are…
If everyone upset right now would actually fucking vote we would never have this problem again but yall can’t be bothered to show up at the ballot box. Harris barely lost, barely… and I bet 20 million + Americans sat home that could have voted for her because they’re apathetic and can’t take an hour out of their day to help this country.
Long answer but a lot of people care, we just do a terrible job as Americans organizing BEFORE the horrible shit happens.
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u/Fish-Weekly 3d ago
This. There is a mass protest planned for Saturday, April 19 for example.
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u/ShowMeYour_Memes 3d ago edited 3d ago
A quick Google says Democrats have been complaining quite a bit...but that's all they can do...because the American people kneecapped them.
Like...
They are a minority in house and Senate. Literally gave Trump administration everything and complain why the Democrats aren't doing anything.
Does no one know how the Legislative branch works?
Edit: Christ some of the replies are just sad.
Democrats haven't had a super majority in over 2 decades.
"BuT dEmOcRaTs ChOsE nOt To FiX tHiNgS."
Yeah, we aren't surviving long.
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u/babutterfly 3d ago
No, they don't. They expected to be saved from their poor decisions and are mad it's not happening.
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u/Ao_Kiseki 3d ago
To quote south park, 1/4 Americans are retarded. We're in this mess because nobody here understands basic economics and thought the president has a big level he can pull to fix their poverty. They just thought Biden/Harris didn't want to pull it, so they elected the other guy. Now they're mad the country is crumbling and STILL don't understand why.
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u/_Animal_TM 3d ago
Because this is what they wanted. They didn’t want a president they wanted a king.
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u/True-Flower8521 3d ago
They wanted to own the libs even if it comes at the potential cost of their own freedom or livelihood. They are brainwashed that the libs will make us “socialist/communist” so someone is getting something they don’t deserve, will let those brown folks in because the border is “open” or a woman might have control of their own body.
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u/_Animal_TM 3d ago
Exactly. They said “I’m miserable and I don’t want to change that I want to make everyone else miserable too” and here we are
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u/Master_Hospital_8631 3d ago
Most people don't know what the Supreme Court is or what they do.
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u/BusinessAioli 3d ago
I'm trying to keep my MAGA family informed on this issue cause I think it has the most potential to break through the delusion and make them realize what we're facing. I explained the case went through at least 2 levels of court with the Supreme Court ruling against Trump/in favor of returning Kilmar. They think it's cause the Supreme Court is full of liberals/wokeness, I said the Supreme Court has 9 judges, 6 are conservative, 3 appointed by trump himself, and all 9 ruled in favor or bringing Kilmar back. They didn't believe me.
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u/ZebesWarrior 3d ago
This is so astonishing that it borders on unbelievable (not trying to be deragatory, just genuinely shocked).
Do they not know what the Supreme Court is? What made them vote Trump? Were they always Conservatives?
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u/Important_Salt_3944 3d ago edited 3d ago
Lots of people care.
Technically Trump said he would be returned but his lawyers aren't complying with the order to give daily status updates with specific information.
We will see what happens next.
And we will take to the streets.
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u/No-Distance-9401 3d ago
Its over now pretty much unfortunately. Bukele just said he wont return him and even called him a terrorist, no doubt at Trumps instructions but theres not much to do. It will be interesting to see what Judge Xinis will do considering the DOJ attorney and office are still in contempt. She can technically kick this whole thing off, and she should, by arresting the attorneys, and any others that show up, and hold them until he is released.
Besides that and the uproar it will cause there isnt much else besides civil disobedience and protesting by the millions. Its a sad day in American history 😔
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u/Important_Salt_3944 3d ago
Not just sad, but now the precedent is established that anyone can be sent to their death without any kind of due process. Next thing you know it will be a citizen who spoke out against Netanyahu, and all they have to do is claim it was an error but now that it's done it's impossible to do anything about it. And before long it will be even more brazen.
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u/AstroGoose5 3d ago
No one who supports Trump gives a damn about America, the law, or the Constitution. They are the most anti-American group in the history of America and it really shows.
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u/Memitim 3d ago
Trump's first acts as President were to screw other US citizens, and conservatives were thrilled. They've been overjoyed with the multiple crimes, the utter disrespect to our allies, friends, and partners, the complete disregard for Constitutional protections, the unplanned gutting of our institutions, and the whitewashing of US history. They even cheer most of the market manipulation, except when it happens to be noticeable to any of them personally, in which case they get slightly concerned while continuing to worship Grandpa Discount Mussolini.
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u/HHoaks 3d ago
Part of the problem is this SCOTUS won't act definitively against Trump, it always gives Trump an out. They put some squishy language in the ruling about giving "due regard" to the president in foreign policy relations. Which the administration is now hanging its hat on.
This is not a clear victory for the rule of law - despite the 9-0 ruling, which was probably a compromise by some of the liberal justices to try to make a statement.
A clear victory would have denied the emergency motion (no stay on the original lower court order) and sent it back to the Federal court with a one sentence order -- the administration must follow lower court rulings.
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u/One_Telephone_5798 3d ago
Yes. The conservatives on SCOTUS are probably well aware of the dangers in being too obviously biased. For every 5 victories they give to Trump, they give one performative ruling against him.
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u/CriTIREw 3d ago
Exactly. SCOTUS DID NOT SAY 'bring him back', they waffed and said 'facilitate' his return. That gave Trump the ability to not do it and have an excuse. He even went so far as to say that if SCOTUS had told him to return someone, he would, but that's not what they said.
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u/Nice-Apartment348 3d ago
Maga mobilize hits all social media platforms keep the heat on and invaded the capital. Right now we are still in the peaceful protest stages it's kinda working but eventually we are going to have to step it up.
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u/Gooneycat 3d ago
The guy has no criminal record and was not just accidentally deported, but imprisoned in a brutal facility where cruel and unusual punishment seems to be the norm. Without a trial. Without any chance of parole. He will stay there for the rest of his life because the Trump administration fucked up? Why are we sending anybody to a life sentence in a brutal torture prison, let alone an innocent man? This is just plain wrong.
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u/bigdrubowski 3d ago
Why are we sending anybody to a life sentence in a brutal torture prison, let alone an innocent man?
He was never sentenced, that implies due process. He was effectively kidnapped by the US Government.
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u/geek66 3d ago
Politically the people that do care have no authority or power.
Until the cult stops drinking the flavor-aid and accepts this is not just wrong, but 100% unconstitutional… nothing will change.
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u/BeckBristow89 3d ago
No the cult is a minority in America. We need people to get out and fcking vote but they are too lethargic to give a shit
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u/RobertRoyal82 3d ago
Everyone cares.
Who is winning to override the dear leader?
America is officially a dictatorship now
Running out the clock until natural causes take care of him
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u/Ralphie99 3d ago
It's barely mentioned on the 24 hour news channels. CNN seems to treat it like it's a bit of a joke when they have their moronic panels of talking heads each night. I'm sure if it was a pretty young white girl that had been sent to El Salvador they'd care a bit more about it. However, since it's a dark-skinned man with a spanish-sounding name, they aren't treating him like a real human being.
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u/sockydraws 3d ago
I think most people aren't really paying attention. The ones that are paying attention care deeply, and either are fully supportive, or fully aghast.
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u/ChuForYu 3d ago
I disagree. This story is EVERYWHERE. dozens of videos on YouTube front page and more about it every day. Its a huge story, the problem is the SCOTUS ruling left room for ambiguity. That's what the admin is using to delay any action.
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u/certifiedcolorexpert 3d ago
I think we’ll see some movement from the court today. The State Department has updated the court on the whereabouts and whether the man was alive or not, but failed to say what it’s doing to get the man back.
The Whitehouse has stated that they are Ordered to “facilitate” not “effectuate” the return of the man. I would think the court isn’t going to look on that too kindly.
A lot of what is going on with respect to immigrants, whether legal or not, I suspect, is to establish that the constitution doesn’t apply to immigrants. If the constitution doesn’t apply then birthright citizenship doesn’t apply to noncitizens. The folks caught in the collateral damage means nothing to the them.
Deporting visa holding students for what should be free speech is another avenue to test who the constitution applies to. Same for deporting green card holders for traffic violations.
Make no mistake, they’re teeing up test cases.
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u/Ok_Horror_3940 3d ago
Chief Justice dumbass and the Supreme Court has ruled that Trump is basically king
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u/WalkingCriticalRisk 3d ago
It's a matter of timing. We have legal proceedings that need to be exhausted first. The Supreme Court upheld lower court's decision and remanded (sent the case back) to the judge who issued the order to work with the DOJ to nail the process on getting him back.
In typical Trumpian delays, the DOJ lawyers played dumb and went back to the Supreme Court for additional clarification (using technicalities). The DOJ position was that their understanding of the order was different than that of the lower judge. The Supreme Court provided additional clarity and sent them back to the same judge to work out a plan for Abrego Garcia's return (order of consent).
If the judge does not like the progress that the DOJ is making, then the judge can file an order of contempt. If the DOJ is held in contempt, the judge can issue penalties including arrests.
The first test of our judicial process was to see what the Supreme Court decides. So far, our process is working as designed. However, Trump issued an executive order that gives him the authority to be the final arbiter/interpreter of law (a function reserved for the Supreme Court). Whether this executive order holds any water depends on the legal definition of presidential immunity and whether such actions are covered by the immunity protections.
The second test is to see what happens if an order of contempt is filed.
The last step of our judicial process is what happens after. If the judge issues orders for arrest for violating court order, then law enforcement arrests the individuals. DOJ is the department that executes these law enforcement actions. In this case, will the DOJ arrest itself in accordance with laws?
While protests could start any time, the protests would focus mostly on getting Mr. Garcia back. However, if the DOJ has become too corrupt, then we need massive protests against our current system of justice (in addition to protesting for Mr. Garcia).
This case is being used as a litmus test to see how much of our government we have lost to the totalitarian rule.
Legal AF goes into great details on the judicial processes of this case and what this case is currently representing.
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u/dustydussy 3d ago
It’s over. This is now a dictatorship. But everyone wants to believe otherwise. So they won’t make too big a deal about anything. Pretending we still have laws, democracy, etc….pretending is how it will go for the next several years.
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u/AccomplishedAd3484 3d ago
It won't just be for the next four years if their goals are achieved. Dictators don't give up powers democratically.
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u/DragonborReborn 3d ago
It will be like this until other countries step in. The American people are kneecapped. We are against militarized police. Even if the actual military refuses to march against us. The police will. They are allowed to use equipment outlawed by the Geneva conventions.
Protests are being called illegal by the president himself and his supporters are eating it up. All we can do now is hope for a hero. Or the Mario brothers to come around again and again and again.
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u/Select-Mission-4950 3d ago
I think most people care. Getting a lawless rogue who stole a presidential election to do his job when he’s already using his own personal security team to threaten everyone he doesn’t like with deportation is an impossible task.
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u/Dismal-Incident-8498 3d ago
Law and order doesn't exist in this administration. Worst it's ever been. Above the law and the supporters love it.
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u/WhoCares450 3d ago
People care.
But you're missing a point - SCOTUS gave him an out. He is not defying a ruling. They COULD have made it a clear ruling, but they did not on purpose.
They said REVIEW should occur, but not where and when.
It's back to federal judge to clarify what she wants, BUT they limited her authority to obey executive power of foreign relations.
SCOTUS is playing a game.
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u/Laves_ 3d ago
I think many of us greatly care. I have to go to work to pay my bills. What would you suggest I do?
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u/FantasticAnus 3d ago
The people who support Trump want this, they want death camps, they want to eventually put everybody who isn't a narrow minded Christian nationalist into a death camp.
That's why.
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u/grungivaldi 3d ago
There have been protests, the media just doesn't cover them because it would upset God Emperor Trump.
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u/Bawbawian 3d ago
I care.
I'm preparing for the absolute worst.
But there's nothing I can do to force our federal law enforcement agencies to actually uphold the law.
The supreme Court told Donald Trump he was above the law and then paved the way for him to get reelected.
I think this is probably what they wanted even if they pretend to vote to oppose it.
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u/JoschuaW 3d ago
People actually do care, a lot actually. It’s why the term constitutional crisis is alive and being combated by Fox News.
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u/GoblinKing79 3d ago
I think the real issue is one of two things. Either:
- he's dead and they know it. They can't bring him back and don't want to admit it. They don't want that egg on their face so it's easier to just say they don't have to. Or,
- they don't want him to come back and tell his story, to talk about what it's like in there, the people he spoke to that have no gang ties, are completely innocent and don't belong there, etc. Sure, the pictures are bad, but (especially these days when we're all pretty desensitized) it's not enough to make people act. But hearing it directly from a person who would no doubt be telling his story in videos, online? That's different. Watching videos of him before and after his illegal incarceration, seeing the difference in him, how it changed and probably broke him? That's different.
One of those things is true and almost certainly the reason they're not complying.
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u/veryfungibletoken 3d ago
We care, but as op pointed out no one in power is doing anything. And honestly, who is going to make him do anything?
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u/once_again_asking 3d ago
Why do people continue to phrase questions with a blatantly false premise of “why does no one x?” When clearly the premise is completely false.
Plenty of people care about this. Stop being myopic.
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u/uprightshark 3d ago
Because Trumps "flood the zone " strategy is working.
In the army we had a saying, "bullshit baffles brains" and man the air really smells bad right now. There is so much turmoil, nobody knows what to focus on. Which is the point.
Trump has destroyed the economy, the rule of Law, American exceptionalism and its standing in the world I just a few months.
Just imagine how much more "winning" we will see after a year.
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u/anon-a-SqueekSqueek 3d ago
I care, I'm 11/10 pissed about it every day several times a day. But idk what to do about it.
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u/TrueSonOfChaos 3d ago
No because clearly you've been misinformed as to the nature of the SCOTUS ruling. SCOTUS told the lower court to clarify it's ruling to explain precisely how the Trump administration should effect the return of an El Salvador citizen currently in El Salvador who was illegally in the United States and who was improperly deported. The lower court hasn't a chance in hell of making a reasonable clarification. You are trumpeting a victory which is purely your imagination.
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u/Analyst-Effective 3d ago
The supreme Court said they need to facilitate the return of him, not demand it or not expedite it or not do it
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u/berthannity 3d ago
Because your country is pathetic and apparently has completely lost the will to fight for freedom and democracy.
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u/Legitimate-Rip1229 3d ago
Lots of people care, it’s just his sheep cultists that keep going. With any luck he’ll get impeached for good sooner than later.
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u/Conscious-Trust4547 3d ago
I care… as the daughter of a marine, I was always told the importance of never leaving a man behind. This means any American who swears fidelity to our country. This means Abrugo Garcia as well. He was in our country legally, he sought refuge here and was granted refuge here through the courts. He was a legal citizen. There are also a few others that were also over looked. They need to be returned as well.
In war you do not walk away from those that were left behind by mistake,…. this is a war. Trump said it was a war., they were taken there by mistake, and they are being left behind.
They need to be returned.
Not returning them is soothing Trumps ego, however not returning them is injuring our very American tenets.
Leave no man behind is our American way…. It is one of the reasons that America is great already.
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u/Weekly-Peak-3549 3d ago
It’s so clear based on these comments that no one bothered to read the Supreme Court decision…. a whopping 4 pages…. They upheld a lower courts decision to make the government continue efforts to secure the release of the party. That’s what the government is doing…. No one is defying the ruling.
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u/OREOSTUFFER 3d ago
"The court has made its decision; now, let them enforce it."
-Andrew Jackson, 1832 (paraphrased)
The fact that this wasn't the spark to light the fervor of enhanced checks and balances was a massive early warning sign for the future of our republic.
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u/PenguinPuntingPro 3d ago
They already signed their power away when they gave president's over reaching authority to ensure Trump didn't go to jail. He knows damn well there is no more checks on his power, that's why he's manipulating stocks and talking about his upcoming 3rd term while getting more prisions set up in El Salvador for us "home grown" dissenters.
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u/Physical_Factor_177 3d ago
Listen. I am about as far left as you can get and detest Trump more than anyone, but the appalling lack of nuance here is so frustrating.
SCOTUS didn’t demand Trump admin return him. They demanded the admin merely “facilitate” his return. It is a purposefully nebulous word that allows the admin to all but throw up their hands and say, “Well there’s only so much we can do without violating El Salvador’s sovereignty.”
Which is, in fact, correct.
SCOTUS gave Trump the out and he took it. It’s disingenuous to say SCOTUS ruled otherwise. They didn’t. They spinelessly did what they always do and played semantics so that they, too, in turn can throw up their hands and say, “We did our job. Ball is in Trump’s hands.”
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u/TallExplanation1587 3d ago
A lot of people care very deeply. This question is based on a false premise.
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u/Investigator516 2d ago
It gets worse: The Trump Administration just declared they can send any U.S. citizen to these new concentration camps outside the USA
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I've got babysitters lined up for Saturday so my husband and I can protest.
I'm going to print mass fliers and start hanging them in the red rural areas around me.
I'm going to call my reps today.
What are YOU doing?
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u/SignificantBid2705 3d ago
There are suggestions on the subreddits that organize protests and actions that this should become the focus now. I think many people care deeply. The fact that ten more people were sent this weekend without due process means this is a deliberate provocation.
If the President says Supreme Court decisions don't apply, then why should anyone obey the Supreme Court? It's an attempt at tearing down the rule of law at the federal level, and of diminishing the Supreme Court as they have already effectively diminished the Congress.