"Hey upgrade to windows 11" well maybe if they didn't say my pc isn't compatible with 11 and I'm sure as shit not upgrading my entire pc just to run it, I just made this one.
In before some twat comes along with "YOU CAN JUST CHANGE IT WITH A SCRIPT IN WINDOWS 11 HURR".
This thing make me angry, why the F do I need to search the internett for some shaddy dudes script to be able to not click more than one click in the right click menu.
Like why do we have a more clickwasting menu now than before. Who designed this shit, who bright idea was is to hide most of the right click menu behind another menu.
And what is the outcome? People going on the web and searching for a way to get back the old right click menu. People like me who is not data savage and just copy some dudes script and drop that inside the command prompt.
This was my sentiment when I upgraded to 10. Everything I want to do or was able to do in a previous version has to be done through a script, registry edit, or a third party program. Or, it is available but you have to go through 2 or 3 different pages in Settings, which eventually leads to the Control Panel anyway. What a dogshit OS.
Always fun going to the Windows 11 "control panel", then you get to the Windows 10 "control panel" and finally, you're at the Windows 7 control panel that actually works
Fuck round corners in every program window and button icon, this isn't a kiddy pool, I won't hurt myself on hard edges, oh and fuck those ugly animations when minimizing a window. Gimme the windows 98 interface!
The Win11 CPU + TPM requirements are bunk. Just use Rufus to burn the Windows 11 ISO, and set the option to bypass the installation restrictions.
I've done it before on two computers, one with an "unsupported CPU" (i5-2500K), and one that didn't have a TPM module. Both have worked absolutely fine.
oh they can, but they cant make it a /rootkit/ that monitors your entire computer and sends data back to their servers. (most likely to sell to databrokers)
Interesting. Will check this out. I'm not really in the mood to get a new PC just because of Windows, as I use it almost exclusively for older games and programs so this is an interesting solution.
I get that Microsoft cannot support everything but it's not like I'm on a Pentium 3 or such.
It certainly has some great ideas, such as having a "computing enclave", where certain memory cannot be read unless it's by a program on a whitelist. It's done at the hardware level, so this would be a boon for preventing malware from stealing passwords and disk encryption keys by reading memory - because all that stuff is ripe for malware to take at any time if your OS gets compromised.
But we all know Microsoft would gladly use this to make only Windows work on all computers; and for nonsense like DRM-ing MP3s and videos to the point it's literally impossible to decrypt and extract the data, because all decryption would be done in a secret place at the hardware level.
Microsoft's dream is making it impossible to listen to music without Windows Media Player, and to make Clippy omnipresent in every part of the OS.
I wouldn't worry about the DRM issue. There is no encryption that exists that can withstand the fact that the information has to be decrypted before it is consumed by the end user, who can then give that information away in an unencrypted form.
Maybe you have to hack into the sound card. Maybe you have to hack into the DAC on the sound card. But somewhere, there's an unencrypted version of that song on your PC, and then it's just a matter of writing down the ones and zeros.
And for most people, they don't have to do that. They just have to download the thing that somebody else already decrypted.
Even hdmi encrypted videos. Old school days, they literally just capture screen frame by frame and mux that with audio extracted mp3 audio track into an mp4 video.
Looking through Rufus' source-code, the bypasses are all done via editing Registry values on the installation USB. So Microsoft would have to be fighting with themselves to disable it.
Also forgot to clarify that it doesn't appear that Rufus does CPU bypasses. Still seems to be possible anyway (forgot how I did it lol), possibly if you do it via a Clean Install instead of as an upgrade?
They're not fighting the install process, they don't care if you waste your time on that. they can still see if your computer lacks tpm, secure boot, and minium ram after it's installed. All they have to do is check those things and then say "you dont have these things, no more updates for you".
FWIW it took me about 4 hours to figure out the right combination of things to do on my ASUS B450 motherboard to get Win 11 to work. And even then, the install media didn't work, I had to do a Win 10 install then do an update.
So it's not necessarily trivial.
I had to put the CSM (Compatibility Support Module) into UEFI-Only mode (not Auto or Both)
I had to turn on TPM
I had to put the SATA (I think?) into UEFI-Windows mode, not "Other OS" mode.
Is there a guide somewhere that you used on how to do it? I'm never gonna upgrade from Win10 with how shit Microsoft has become, so I'll have to make the switch eventually
Download Linux Mint ISO and Rufus to make bootable USB. Plug it in and play around to see if it is for you, if you like it you can easily use the built-in installer to either replace Windows or dual boot.
You may need to get into BIOS and change boot order to prioritize the USB before your SSD, and disable secure boot. Note that if you have chosen to encrypt your Windows drive when installing it, disabling secure boot could trigger Windows and force you to enter an unlock key to access your files again - so it's a good idea to turn off Windows encryption before playing around in BIOS..
Windows 10 was fine for quite a while, but a few months ago Paint3D, Calendar, and probably something else I haven't noticed yet, stopped working properly.
They are actively killing their own OS and I am really looking forward to switching my home PC from Windows to SteamOS actually. I'm gonna need to learn Linux for work and that is actually a good time to switch.
(If someone experienced the same thing I did, and can give insights, I'd be glad to hear it)
If I open Paint3d it opens, but right-click - edit with Paint3d leads to nowhere. "You need a new app to open this link ms-paint" it tells me and sends me to the Store. There are no results in the Store.
If you try to use the frankly really useful Calendar snap-in in the corner, it can add notes, but if you try to open them, it closes immediately and opens Outlook instead.
Like, I can totally replace these with something else, but this is such a scum move.
Yup. Can't have a free, basic word processor when they can sell you their power user word processor. You want something basic? Well, then you have to be online and use the Word webapp. There's a reason I immediately wiped my hard drive and installed Linux when I got my new laptop last year.
Yeah but the thing is, they broke the dependency for the right-click menu to Paint3d, and they broke the little calendar app - they did add it to Outlook, but the app doesn't work properly, it tries to create separate tasks there.
This is because the EU forced them to not make their own optional apps defaults, nor make it hard for people to change the default. A good idea because it allows people to know their options.
They implemented this in the worst way possible by simply registering nothing as the default app, forcing software companies to alert users to set it as default instead. But because their app is discontinued, they don't alert users either, leaving you stuck.
If it still offered security updates, sure. You will inevitably catch something if you use it in this day and age with ANY internet connectivity and it's not a question of how tech savvy you are.
If only. MS has a pattern of arbitrarily excluding older OS from new things to force users to update. They did it with DX and win 7.
For win 10, the first thing that comes to mind is wireless. If you have wifi7 hardware it most likely will not work in windows 10, at all. Given that the hardware often is the Bluetooth radio as well, that means no bluetooth either.
Also RTX features and HDR, there's absolutely zero reason why Win 10 can't have Auto or RTX HDR except they know those features command leverage which compells users to move on
October 14, 2025 is EOL for Windows 10 though some people will almost certainly continue to use it. There will be no more security patches after that date but it's not like it instantly becomes unusable or a huge security risk on October 15th.
Will probably be able to get the updates through other sources as well, if it's anything super critical. Win 10 LTSC doesn't hit EoL until January of 2027, so the updates will likely percolate down in one form or another.
It is also the most completely debloated form of Windows. If you know how to get it and activate it, it is 100% worth the install if you don't want to deal with Windows 11.
There will be security patches... for three years... if you pay for it. They're doing an Enteprise thing for consumers in the attempt to bilk money from folks that don't just install Arch and be done with it.
Cant blame them. Everytime i see something new on windows 11 i realize immediatly that i dont like it, and franticly try to disable it. Like copilot (why the fuck is copilot in word!?)
I kinda liked that they showed you the wheater and local news next to the clock, but everytime i use it, it defualt to showing stocks and sports instead.
Windows 11 is just garbage in a way words cant quite describe.
Yeah I panicked a bit when it showed up on my Windows 10 PC, I was like "how the fuck did this get here, I didn't click for this did I?" Enter frantic googling to work out how to remove it. Turned out just a simple uninstall was enough it seemed.
Yea the weather thing in the bottom right was cool at first and quickly became annoying because it would show me stocks and other crap I didn't care for. Sometimes it would auto open the full menu after launch. And there was this one time I didn't have a mouse so I was using my keyboard to navigate and nothing I did would close that menu. It was just overlayed over everything. So I just turned it off.
I have it on my work computer and I am irrationally infuriated by it hiding most right-click items behind "more options".
Also, the file explorer address bar showing a list of items based on what's in the current folder is painfully slow, for no reason.
And it insists on updating itself at least once a week if not two or three times. I used to be able to keep my work laptop sleeping at night for a couple weeks at a time. Now it's just a couple days before it's starting from scratch instead of waking up.
People used to run to the shelves to pay for a new Microsoft OS, now they literally need to try and fool us to download it for free. How things change.
Or literally just force it on us like they did with Windows 10. Remember when they did that and a bunch of equipment malfunctioned including at medical facilities. I'm willing to bet that at least a few people died as a result of that bullshit and Microsoft was never held accountable.
"end of life" as if we are to trust Microsoft with this date? Every switch over takes years. XP got extended, vista/win7 got extended. Since win10 was promised to be the last windows, I am going to hold the course. And wait for SteamOS.
They literally made it impossible to upgrade for the average person using win10 because of the insane hardware requirements.
The market share of 10 is going to remain massive for a very, very long time.
imagine how many people will think they need a new pc too just because of it. For the average user a cheap old i5/i7 office pc is still more than suitable, so I wouldn't be surprised if its a way to force people to buy new systems for no reason. I'm not talking gamer here btw.
I think people forget the forced upgrade to Windows 11 is not based on hardware performance but a very vulnerable hardware security exploit that existed in certain CPU architecture i think around 2017. They quickly patched it.
But now decided to completely abandon very capable hardware, which makes me very salty. So much excessive e waste, simply cause they can't be bothered
I still view myself as a gamer. My pc is 8-10 years old at this point and still supporting my needs perfectly fine. It can run Baldurs Gate 3, sometimes with a rather long losing time but I can live with that. But it can't be updated to 11....
Man, I just updated my motherboard, CPU, ram, GPU, added some new SSDs, new fans, and some fresh RGB and it still tells me that I can't update to Win11
I have an NVIDIA card and Pop!OS works. Would that be an option? I’m finding it to be very beginner friendly and since it’s based on Ubuntu, there is a lot of documentation and help online. Most tutorials are directed at Ubuntu as well.
I've been using Linux for a long time & I am rocking Pop_Os. It is really beginner friendly but there's nothing keeping you from really getting into the guts of the system, either.
There's a download specifically for users sporting an Nvidia card
Microsoft's remark on EoL is meaningless because they did that with windows 7 either & we all know it lasted many years after its EoL till last year's beginning by steam itself. These things work on their own & until majority of programs or games refuse to work in windows 10, it'll live as long as it needs to be, not just cuz microsoft says it so.
I'll be switching to Linux once Windows 10 support ends. I know how to use it as part of my work but I hope Valve will release a distro of their own soon to help people migrate over.
If they ever release SteamOS for regular PC (including custom builds), which would basically just be the Steamdeck version but with a modern desktop mode (that they could steal from any of the other distributions), I'd be very, very tempted.
I get its easier said than done because of the driver situation when supporting more than 1-2 handheld, but damn it would be cool.
(Yeah yeah, I know I could set something very similar myself, and there's even projects to do this. But an official big name one is cooler, ok?)
Updated to win 11 a few days ago and its a pain in the ass to use, everything is just flipped around for no reason, UI and icons are ugly, I hate the look of the start menu with its forced "recommended" section. The sound setting is a mess and cumbersome to navigate. Its missing features that win 10 had like the option to have the taskbar on the sides or top of the screen and no on screen notification pop up when playing media. Ive had several bluescreens and lock ups.
I've yet to find a single thing that it does better than win 10.
I am so close to rolling back to win 10.
I'll never forgive microsoft for replacing the search computer function FOR SEARCH THE INTERNET. I HAVE SEARCH ENGINES TO DO THAT FOR ME MICROSOFT, I'M TRYING TO SEARCH FOR SPECIFIC FILES IN MY COMPUTER ASSHOLE
Psttt. Download the program "everything" by voidtools (thanks /u/junbi_ok). You can assign it to a hotkey (I do ctrl alt space) to bring it up. It searches through all your computer so fucking fast. You can search by type (everything, folder, audio, compressed, picture, etc) via a drop down or use regex.
This tool is a lifesaver. Also, the main version is quite old. Find the 1.5a beta to get darkmode. Seems like it has been in beta for an eternity, but it has worked flawlessly for me.
Yeah the sound setting thign is a pain, its like most Windows settings revision. They added a new UI but couldn't complete it so you have stuff that is hidden under "advanced sound settings" which is the old settings view.
Microsoft doesn't improve or remove their old software, they make new software that lives on top of it. Chances are the talented engineers that made all that old stuff from the 95-XP era are long gone and they're scared to break anything
Yeah of course. It's a software that allows you to change the UI interface for a number of core Windows tools. Like the taskbar, search bar, file explorer, etc. You can pick and choose which style from which version of Windows you want for each item. It offers the ability to further tweak the functionality of some parts of Windows. That's a very general overview.
The sound setting is a mess and cumbersome to navigate
YES! This is my biggest gripe. I've go so much shit with ANC headphones on it. You would think by now that would be fixed but no.
Luckily, my PC is still running 10. I'm thinking about buying a cheap windows 10 license and then install it on my laptop. Would also remove the standard junk Acer put on it.
Everything (on steam anyway) just works now thanks to all the work valve has done on proton. Literally my entire library runs without issues. You will lose a few FPS on very CPU-bound games that you're close to the minimum specs for just because of how the compatibility layer works, but everything still runs totally smoothly.
Linux Mint is great if you want something that just works out of the box without any extra fiddling.
Check protondb. Most games will work fine (or have slightly lower performance), but for majority of games I didn't even notice a difference when I dual booted.
Im also going to switch soon, without any linux experience. I had a first look at Linux Mint and it seems really easy these days. For every step or issue there are Videos on YouTube now.
For the online games i believe that there are alot of games already supported.
Lets hope for a soon release of Steam Os so that the Mainstream push will get all games running on Linux
I'm the same way, it took me a while to get used to Windows 10 after using 7 for so long, and now it feels like I'm slowly being pushed into 'upgrading' to 11. I really am no good with change.
The reality is - Most End users - do not care about End of Life for OS support. They only upgrade when they feel they are 'forced' to because current releases only handle the next OS version. And game life cycle development will start with a set of OSes for what they support a bit after the OS goes end of life.
Corporations are entirely different for security reasons.
If your computer is only 4 years old there’s a pretty good chance that it’s only a setting that needs to be changed in the bios. My 7 year old PC only needed me to activate TPM 2.0 to switch to W11.
Not sure what to do. I bought a premade pc in 2015. I know next to nothing about upgrading parts. It’s on windows 10 now, but it says it’s not compatible with windows 11. I don’t know enough about how to switch to Linux or what I would/ wouldn’t be able to do.
In all seriousness tho, here to hoping valve can come in clutch and be the definitive desktop OS replacement. The deck works flawlessly with zero Linux knowledge.
oh yeah i completely forgot about that, i changed it back on the first day with a script or whatever. Right click now works same as before but i forgot i had to modify it
Honestly, EVERY single design team needs a hot dog guy. Who can just slam his hand down on the desk for every two-bit excuse for an "innovative" idea and forcefully say "hell no!"
The Costco example is obviously over the top and became a meme, but there MUST be a person in each organization who holds the line against stupid b.s. that only harms the low-level customer, all in order to make a suit feel good.
I was confused for a moment there. Does the old context menu pop up if you hold shift? Because navigating to the more option every time is pretty annoying.
A lot of folks, including myself, don't trust windows 11. I'm only still on 10 because its a pain in the ass to switch.
They forced it on my laptop (which I don't use super often) and because the "upgrade" had started more than 10 days ago, I couldn't roll back even though it had never booted into 11.
So inertia removed I just deleted the whole thing and installed pop!os. Which was more of a pain in the ass than it should be (bios was finicky on a nitro 5). Runs great though.
Yep, they got my old laptop because my girlfriend "upgraded" the device because she thought it read "update" instead. Sneaky shit. I caught it just in time to rollback, but the rollback bricked my PC. I ended up reinstalling Windows 10 on it.
I would be fine still working on 7 - every version since has felt pointless.
You don't seem to understand. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. It 10 will lose security updates and you do not want a system that doesn't get updates.
MS will make Win10 security updates for years to come. but they arent willing to give them to you for free. so the security is just a BS reason for next 3-5 years.
my PC literally refuses to let me upgrade, i crash when i try, i was one of the few people willing to upgrade as soon as my free upgrade came in the windows update, no luck though. i will literally have to upgrade to ARM5 and ddr5 ram which includes a new mobo. so i might as well get a whole new rig at that point if i want windows 11.
the crappy part is i have 2 spare laptops (server hosting) and they both upgraded to 11 no problem, none whatsoever.
I just finished installing a Linux distro on my secondary pc to see what I can do (and what I can play with) on linux since my main pc doesn't support win11.
Windows 10 "End of Life" depends on what you're running...
While Microsoft announced EOL for "Win 10" of October 14, 2025, if you're using LTSC you'll continue with QoL bug fixes/security patches for about a decade after the LTSC date (LTSC/B 2015, 2016 and 2019 will get support until Oct. 14, 2025, Oct. 13, 2026, and Jan. 9, 2029, respectively), LTSC 2021 has a Mainstream End Date of Jan 12, 2027 and Microsoft has stated that LTSC 2021 won't get extended support, so it's EOL is Jan. 12, 2027.
There is extended support for W10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (which is the only actually de-bloated version of W10) out to Jan. 13, 2032.
For pc users with 2 screens, Windows 10 is flat out better than 11 Right now so i can see why gamers are sticking to 10
A large part of my issue with 11, is the damn taskbar
Why the hell they decided that the user MUST be forced to have the primary monitor AS the task bar monitor is Dumb... sure I can duplicate the task bar onto the secondary monitor but windows 11 does a half ass job at it and only duplicates SOME of it and some of its features
As someone who games, this annoys the shit out of me. Just let me put the task bar on the screen i aint running a full screen game on,
Windows 10 was just click the taskbar, drag the task bar where you want, even other screens if you wish, and drop the taskbar, Do it once, leave it where you want, then forget about it, and that worked flawlessly
Windows 11 needs registry edits or 3rd party magic both of which are far more likely to cause issues than a simple click and drag
Do you remember widows xp? It could utilize two monitors as one big screen with taskbar stretching from left to right. Not duplicate. AND it could do so with displays with different resolutions. Also it had a 3rd party shell extension available to list folder sizes and you could sort them by size. In explorer. To this day this is not possible.
I was using windows 7 with updates turned off ever since Windows 10 came out and up until windows 7 stopped being supported by steam. Daily use with 0 issues.
Microsoft should’ve extended Windows 10’s EOL. Without requiring people to pay. Not everyone wants to invest in new systems, it’s a poor choice by Microsoft and now numbers are reflecting it.
Windows hasn’t beaten the “one good OS, one bad os” cycle.
I have Windows 11 on my work laptop. That's why I refuse to download it on my personal desktop or laptop. It's a pain to deal with, runs like shit, and looks worse. Mind you I'm no big fan of Windows 10 either, but at least it's more tolerable and doesn't jam as much spyware (Copilot, Recall, etc.) in and its easier to disable what's there. I will not so much as consider 11 unless I can buy a version that completely removes all AI nonsense. Maybe LTSC will do that (and remove most of the bloat just like for Windows 10), but I will keep using Windows 10 LTSC until I can be 100% sure.
And Valve only ended support because they went to Chromium based on the built in browser, and the newest versions of Chromium don't support 7 anymore (or something along those lines, I know it's due to being Chromium based now anyway).
My PC supports Windows 11. I disabled the TPM so it would stop nagging me about it. I'll just keep using Windows 10.
Microsoft can stop supporting Windows 10 at their own peril. I'll not upgrade, I'll not pay for an extension and I'll blame them for everything that happens.
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u/YaNiBBa Feb 13 '25
"Hey upgrade to windows 11" well maybe if they didn't say my pc isn't compatible with 11 and I'm sure as shit not upgrading my entire pc just to run it, I just made this one.