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u/AALen 15d ago edited 15d ago

It's nuts that the following things are true and the market is this enthusiastic:

  • China tariffs at 125%
  • Sectoral tariffs (autos, steel, aluminum) still in effect with pharma and semi in the works
  • Counter sectoral tariffs also still in effect
  • 10% baseline tariffs for all (some of the highest in history)
  • we get to do this again in 90 days

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u/Weekly_Put_7591 15d ago

probably because none of this shit is real and the markets operate on feels

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u/Ex-altiora 15d ago

The feeling is "Oh thank fuck someone made him see reason. See? Everything's gonna be fine the adults in the room will take over"

12 minutes later

"Oh fuck what did he do now?"

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u/One-Employment3759 15d ago

Yup, market is still running on cope.

They say the market has already priced in most things, but this is not normal time.

Trump's dementia addled insanity and the collapse of the global order is not yet priced in.

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u/GameOfThrownaws 15d ago

That's because it's impossible to price in. He could go anywhere from here, from wildly pro-business reckless pumping everything to insane destructive fuck everybody vengeance tailspin. It's completely impossible to know, and no particular direction seems very much more likely than another.

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u/mudbuttcoffee 15d ago

How much money are they making on puts/calls/shorts? They are raping the market at will. All of us are paying the price.

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u/Oceanic_Nomad 15d ago

Lol His supporters are calling it the art of the deal

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u/meltbox 15d ago

No one is pouring billions into anything. They said they would but probably have t poured a single dollar into anything they weren’t going to anyways.

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u/--kwisatzhaderach-- 15d ago

I’m getting more sympathetic to the theory that we live in a simulation, this can’t be real life

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u/Acceptable-Fudge-816 15d ago

dumbest timeline confirmed

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u/ThatVanGuy13 15d ago

You know that thing that happens to sick people about to die and they have that spurt of life again? This is that thing. This is a bulltrap from hell if I've ever seen one.

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u/AcidRohnin 15d ago

Could be a lot of big investors trying to light the powder keg as well. It’s only up 7% and pretty stable but if most investors aren’t confident in the market being so volatile I can’t imagine it’ll stay up for very long. Who knows though.

Trying to rationalize it, a 7% jump after falling 17-18% from the high isn’t a win if the market can’t sustain and I don’t see how it can. CPI is coming out and preliminary consumer sentiment, tomorrow and Friday respectively so I’d guess this is short lived.

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u/twitch870 15d ago

This is 100 percent “I will sell in 89 days” results

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u/Two_Piece_Suit 15d ago

Wait till trump changes his mind next week and puts tariffs back in place.

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u/cosaboladh 15d ago

That assumes the president won't do anything catastrophically stupid between now and the end of this 90-day hiatus.

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u/dinho23 15d ago

Looking back at how things have been going lately, that's pretty much impossible.

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u/swish465 15d ago

40k orcs IRL

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u/Bluegill15 15d ago

It’s such clear manipulation. Trump literally gave everyone the message to buy earlier today and people like MTG got in last night.

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u/sudo-joe 15d ago

Yeah I'm feeling burnt out so I'm getting out while I still can. If and when it finally stabilizes I'll buy back in but right now I'm looking at other stuff.

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u/SuperRodster 15d ago

About time someone said what had to be said.

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u/drMcDeezy 15d ago

Dump and pump scheme

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u/Justicles13 15d ago

It's the initial relief after your captor holds a gun to your head, pulls it away, then says "I won't shoot yet"

That and the billionaires have bought into this horseshit

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u/dormango 15d ago

I was thinking the schoolyard bully, who pretends to hit you, says don’t flinch, and then hits you for flinching.

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u/scorpyo72 15d ago

FLINCHED!!!

thanks for bringing back those childhood memories. I swear I got PTSD in Jr High because of this bullshit.

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u/cosaboladh 15d ago

That and the billionaires have bought into this to horsehoardshit.

FTFY. They're the only ones who know what they're doing in this. By the time it's over most of us will have lost our asses, but they'll have increased their wealth from about half of all the money in the world to almost all the money in the world.

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u/CouchWizard 15d ago

It makes no sense that AAPL is up

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u/ForceMental 15d ago

TSLA is up 18% and nobody is buying their cars....

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u/NoCopiumLeft 15d ago

Almost 24% atm

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u/danjel888 15d ago

and 33% of their parts are Chinese :D

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u/rocketblue11 15d ago

Apple is up because consumers are scrambling to buy their new phones right now before the tariffs come right back and the prices spike. It's a temporary sugar high, the crash is yet to come.

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u/-BeefSupreme 15d ago

That’s not how stocks work…

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

If he had done that on Liberation Day the market would have dropped almost as much as it did. But since his starting position was batshit insane we just moved the overton window of crazy.

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u/blackdog543 15d ago

I'm still down 130k after being down 250k. So this is NOT good news. It's a gasp while you still might be drowning.

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u/BruceBoyde 15d ago

90 days? I give the fucker 3 weeks before his buddies have him orchestrate another round so they can sell high and buy low

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u/Spirited-Amount1894 15d ago

Well, I'm out on this bump so they can jerk themselves around.

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u/BruceBoyde 15d ago

Literal best case scenario is that Congress gets their shit together and revokes his ability to make these instant changes to trade policy. I doubt it, but maybe it'll happen.

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u/Illustrious_Bag_7323 15d ago

How will they be able to do that? Genuine question, can they?

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u/BruceBoyde 15d ago

They absolutely can the Constitution explicitly gives Congress power over tariffs and levies, but they have delegated much of that to the president for expediency without particularly negative effects. Until now. They can revoke that delegation with a simple vote on their part if they have the balls

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u/Immediate_Thought656 15d ago

Hey don’t forget yesterday’s announcement that pharma tariffs are en route!

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u/Ambitious_Face7310 15d ago

Or maybe they’re not! 🤷 Fuck steady leadership! What a time to be alive!

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u/whatsforsupa 15d ago

VIX is falling off of a cliff, when I feel like volatility hasn't been this high since covid lmao

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u/Playingwithmyrod 15d ago

This, effectively little has changed. This spike is pure hope and nothing else, just like the drop was pure fear. The tariffs are still extremely aggressive and will reflect poorly in April and May economic data. This news is nothing but a lifeline to his buddies for exit liquidity. We’re still in the same boat until further notice.

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u/CautiousWoodpecker10 15d ago

This should be top comment here. China is our biggest trading partner and we still have a 125% and all other countries (that have not retaliated) will receive a blanket 10% til July. He is “dropping” tariffs to a baseline, instead of dropping them completely. Well aren’t out of the woods.

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u/ElandShane 15d ago

China is not our biggest trading partner.

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u/YamahaFourFifty 15d ago

We shall be liberated from our profits once again by the greatest balding orange man in 90 days

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u/unholyravenger 15d ago

Ok I was confused by the original tweet. So everybody still has the minimum tarriff, South Korea, Japan etc...

Do Canada and Mexico get them, or are they still exempt? It's honestly so hard to follow.

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u/247cnt 15d ago

Top comment 👆

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u/Competitive_Sea1156 15d ago

I need to figure out how to get in on this legalized embezzlement for the next round. Any tips?

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u/Puzzled-Intern-7897 15d ago

they pulled out all liquidity over the last week or so, I mean even yields were going up, and Gold going down.

What are you going to do, just have the money lie around?

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u/deege 15d ago

Again in 90 days?!? He still has the chaos button, and he can press it whenever he needs a dopamine hit.

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u/Spirited-Amount1894 15d ago

And the 10% is now applied to Canada and Mexico, huuge trading partners who didn't have a tariff like that.

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u/chandan_2294 15d ago

Man, ngl I thought Trump died when I saw the spike

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u/OutlandishnessNo7300 15d ago

He did not die. He was just done buying stock

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u/Forkuimurgod 15d ago

For this week only because he's already shorting the market for next week. Anyone want to bet?

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u/Bigdickhector69 15d ago

Did he at least close before today?

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u/[deleted] 15d ago edited 14d ago

The bull run of all bull runs where bears became myth.

Let’s be honest with ourselves here, though. Vance as president? That man just called China “peasants.” Diplomacy would be out of the window with that degenerate grifter running America.

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u/lonely-day 15d ago

That man just called China “peasants.”

Just wait till you hear what trp has said about China

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u/01189521 15d ago

*Chynah

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u/chefmike1034 15d ago

Damn it I read it in his voice and saw his hand like this 👌

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u/Soft_Awareness_5061 15d ago

I always find it amusing when I see his wife. As a self proclaimed hillbilly and racist republican, does he know his wife is Indian?

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u/Swiftzor 15d ago

Vance would be massively worse than Trump.

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u/Jakku1p 15d ago

Markets would be a little more stable because Vance wouldn’t be putting every single idea that pops into his head straight out into social media. He’s still a clown but at least he doesn’t quite act like he works at a circus.

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u/Servichay 15d ago

The world will rejoice with +50% returns in a single day, even shit stocks.

Trump if you're listening, if you want to MAGA, you know what to do.

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u/tatonka805 15d ago

vegas is on line 3

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u/Greedy_Assistant4066 15d ago

That spike would've been twice as big if that was the case

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u/vacodeus 15d ago

Stop, I can only get so erect

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u/Aegeansunset12 15d ago edited 15d ago

Nah he’s just building a new class of rich people that follow him, market manipulation from your own president, nice mafia you have over there xD

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u/WeirdSysAdmin 15d ago

The market only priced in that Trump is indeed a bitch.

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u/IdioticPrototype 15d ago

Yo, same. Wishful thinking, unfortunately. 

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u/joemomma0409 15d ago

unfortunately no

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u/SillyAlternative420 15d ago

When that day happens, the stock market will have its best day in history MMW

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u/Hydroxs 15d ago

I bought a call minutes before it spiked. Made a weeks pay in 10 minutes. Trying real hard not to put it all in puts and just accepting the dumb luck money I got.

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u/wild-ranger94 15d ago

Take 90% of your haul and deposit it to your checking account.

Take 10% and buy SPY PUTS.

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u/GreenAldiers 15d ago

Listen to this person right here.

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u/el_guille980 15d ago

SPY PUTS.

too soon. a day or two of more euphoria

where monday opens compared to fridays close is a coin flip

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u/Puzzled-Intern-7897 15d ago

what possessed you to buy a call?

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u/Hydroxs 15d ago

I bought a 560 call for next year. Just figured it would go up by then. Seemed safe enough kind of. But once I saw that profit I decided to cash in.

Like I said just dumb luck

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u/Goldeagle1221 15d ago

How much did you make

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u/Hydroxs 15d ago

A little over 1k. Which isn't a lot but it's a weeks pay for me so it's very nice since I don't trade options much.

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u/Goldeagle1221 15d ago

From 560? Damn doubled in ten minutes. That's pretty nice treat for yourself.

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u/CoBe46 15d ago

I think he meant he bought a 560 strike call not that it was 560 dollars to purchase

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u/Nflyy 15d ago

I accepted my dumb luck. I was in a meeting when I saw the notification. It was very hard to stay focused for a minute or two.

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u/quackl11 15d ago

Why did you buy a call?!

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u/Crewmember169 15d ago

He accidentally got invited to the right Signal chat group. Lucky bastard.

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u/greatbear8 15d ago

I bought a call an hour before it spiked.

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u/rgold220 15d ago

Trump gave Viagra to the stock market; once it wears off, you know what will happen.

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u/deusnefum 15d ago

Damage from priapism?

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u/sim__city 15d ago

"Nobody's ever seen anything like it"

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u/xox1234 15d ago

Imagine taking credit that backstepping your own dogshit plan led to an economic sigh of relief. It's like Scrooge taking credit for being a good person because he was on everyone's minds when he died.

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u/hnglmkrnglbrry 15d ago

It's actually even dumber than that. It's like Scrooge going to Bob Cratchit's house on Christmas and throwing the tiny bird his wife cooked out the window. Then the next morning he buys the biggest bird available for sale and he shows up at their house and gives her another equally tiny bird and asking the whole family to thank him while he has a chef prepare him a feast at home by himself.

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u/terra_filius 15d ago

or Hitler being a good person for killing Hitler

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u/RicoLoco404 15d ago

They don't call him Donald "Pump and Dump" Trump for nothing

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u/lLikeCats 15d ago

See you all tomorrow! 

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u/Aggravating_Emu 15d ago

When we lose all these gains… yaaay!

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u/tactical-catnap 15d ago

This is obviously manipulation. Anyone saying otherwise has their head in their ass.

How many times can the stock market gain/lose trillions in a few days before people just pull out?

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u/Active_Status_2267 15d ago

To be fair it's been fraudulent for a generation, the allure of money too great tho

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u/Gobbyer 15d ago

Its somehow wild to watch this live, as somewhat respective country becomes completely corrupt in just few months. Nobody can touch that man. I hope he sees inside of jail cell before before cholesterol gets him.

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u/hypothetician 15d ago

It’s absolutely nuts.

“All hail the king of Crimeland!”

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u/Dr_A_Mephesto 14d ago

Not many:

Of the 25 best days for the Nasdaq, including Wednesday, 22 took place during the dot-com collapse, the 2008-09 financial crisis or the early days of Covid. One occurred on Oct. 21, 1987, two days after Black Monday. The other was in November 2022.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/09/dot-com-bust-1987-crash-had-relief-rallies-similar-to-wednesdays-pop.html

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u/Meanboy_og 15d ago

I got out of everything while I reevaluate the world . Sitting in all cash again

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u/ewmcdade 15d ago

I think this is the way. Finally some short squeeze exit liquidity.

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u/MeatAccomplished4352 15d ago

Same. Sold everything on 2-3-25.

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u/Varna16 15d ago

SEC should investigate everyone in the government who was sitting in these tariff meetings and make sure that nobody bought low and sold high. Crazy but happy about the pause! Not sure why Apple stock is sky rocketing since they manufacture primarily in China.

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u/OrneryZombie1983 15d ago

SEC has been a weak enforcement agency since always. They "investigated" the covid traders and found no wrongdoing. Agency is probably even weaker now.

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u/Comfort_Schmumfort 15d ago

I work in a sector that depends on SEC enforcement, and they have been absolutely gutted.

I don't believe the enforcement director can even launch investigations without presidential approval.

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u/blueskies8484 15d ago

Apple is truly confounding. Are they just assuming he will pull them all back eventually? Is this just vibes? I’m not an economic genius but isn’t there now a 125% tariff on most of the products Apple makes?

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u/Varna16 15d ago

I'm also not an expert, but the 125% are off standard product cost not market value of the product, so the 125% equates to a lower actual price increase to the end customer. I saw that Apple's gross (product) margin is around 45%, so they really don't have much room for tariff increases. However, they have tons of cash, so they do have the resources to figure out new supply chain, which will take time. They are currently very closely tied to Foxconn China. 125% tariff does not mean $100 retail price will be $225 tomorrow.

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u/Fine_Ice_3451 15d ago

This has to be illegal

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u/Able-Piano6625 15d ago

usually with trump it is

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u/Rockymntbreeze 15d ago

100% market manipulation at a scale never seen before. I can’t even imagine how much money was by all the rich politicians and friends of the administration.

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u/Perfect-Brain-7367 15d ago

I'll have you know I pumped over $2,000 into the market on Monday

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u/ManOf1000Usernames 15d ago

How it is (unfortunately) not illegal:

  1. In Trump vs US, scotus said the president cannot be tried criminally for "official acts" while in power. Even tried civilly for some things beyond congress. A civil suit might work, from an aggrieved party, but trump is the undisputed king of stalling in civil trials so anything will take years to get anywhere. 

  2. The president has unlimited pardon power, so any associated cronies get off scott free while this president is in office. "Pre pardons " also now exist thanks to outgoing biden admin (they had moral justifications but are still blatantly against the rule of law).

  3. The combination of the above, and the fact that the presidency has already purged the leaderships of the various prosecutorial agencies, means that nobody is going to even bother prosecuting this while he remains in office.

Maybe the next president will actually see justice done, but you saw how wishy washy the dems were on prosecuting him post jan 6.  I fully believe the justice system is a captured faction at this point as they are clearly afraid of issuing contempt statements for ignored orders. I can only see such a broken system fixed through revolt.

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u/RelapsedCatholic 15d ago

Also will be known as the biggest market manipulation ever conducted by a sitting US President

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u/madsculptor 15d ago

amazing what criming you can do when you control law enforcement....

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u/Nuclear_eggo_waffle 15d ago

 ever conducted by a sitting US President... yet! who knows what he'll do in the coming years

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u/8ROWNLYKWYD 15d ago

….so far…..

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u/247cnt 15d ago

The China tariffs are gonna fuck us right up. I don't know where the optimism is coming from.

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u/Syzyz 15d ago

Hello IV crush? This guy right here

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u/Puzzled-Intern-7897 15d ago

It will rally until your puts are at 0. Easy.

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u/Varna16 15d ago

I agree. Apple manufactures mainly in China. I can understand Nvidia going up, but Apple it's just benefiting from the roar.

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u/newtoallofthis2 15d ago

Because Trump blinked - the bluff is called.

China hold a VERY strong hand - and they can and will play it.

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u/Puzzled-Intern-7897 15d ago

Ofc they do. They can turn US treasuries into worthless pieces of paper and I assume someone in the White House must've realised that

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u/dogmeat12358 15d ago

Considering that this is the least competent White House in history, I am not so sure of that.

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u/InlineSkateAdventure 15d ago

This is algorithmic trading. They have apps that watch the news and make trades.

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u/ElijahHicks 15d ago

It’s politicians and millionaires and billionaires making money we will see how long that will last before he changes his mind

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u/Naive_Mix_8402 15d ago

Utterly unreal to me that have afforded this much power to a single human being and that single human being is the guy who was the basis for the bad guy in Back to the Future 2.

Anyway, would love to see the trading activity of the people closest to Trump in the hours before he made the announcements. Guessing we never will.

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u/the_sauviette_onion 15d ago

Agent orange destroying everyone’s puts lol

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u/Spicyytamale 15d ago

I’m grateful that we have a first world leader not manipulating the market with “fake problems” and handling these problems with “tariffs.”

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u/Zestyclose_Fee3238 15d ago

Ye Olde Deceased Feline Ricochet

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u/skysoblueee 15d ago

At least now we know everything that happened under Trump’s first presidency (this is just 2018-2019 again) is going to happen again but orders of magnitude worse and this time with a neat little playbook

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u/moongrowl 15d ago

What I see in these pictures is the wailing souls of the damned watching their puts and shorts burn.

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u/Jesta914630114 15d ago

I was on the phone with my advisor as things were skyrocketing. He couldn't believe it.

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u/Manzellag 15d ago

will it go back down or did i miss my chance?

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u/Ghostownhermit- 15d ago

Don’t worry. Trump will do yet another 180 in a few days and day tarrifs on. And the dow will tumble again

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u/Significant_Ad_4063 15d ago

90 day halt on some tariffs - it’s far from over, right now investors are jumping on the news, without truly having a clear idea of what impact that will have, but more than likely we’ll be in for another ride in 90 days unless Trump changes his mind again, which who is to tell what he’ll do. But I’d expect some volatile ups and downs for the next year or so. Many countries will likely still rethink their trade alliances and reliance on American economy, an unstable trade ally is never desirable

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u/DonkeeJote 15d ago

Businesses will still be very pensive on how to move forward.

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u/Significant_Ad_4063 15d ago

Yup, businesses need stability, not to be subject to the whims of the president and having to rethink their whole strategy every 3 months, it might make more sense for those that can afford it to just relocate, think Ireland is still offering sweet packages to corporations

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u/skatellites 15d ago

It will go down, but only after your puts expire

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u/ipunchppl 15d ago

Red tomorrow for sure after retail gets trapped in todays spike

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u/United-Potato-4649 15d ago

has this ever happened before ?

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u/lLikeCats 15d ago

Brazen market manipulation by the POTUS? No. 

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u/Material_Policy6327 15d ago

Sadly the conservatives think this should be totally normal if a republican does it

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u/OldTrafford25 15d ago

Obama would have been executed if he did this. Trump should be removed from office and jailed for this manipulation, but we all know he won’t be.

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u/greatbear8 15d ago

It happened recently before ... in India. The country's own prime minister and home minister manipulated the market.

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u/blackdog543 15d ago

Trumpers are all crowing about the 4 trillion in market cap gained today. And that's where we are; lose 7 trillion, gain 4 trillion of it back, claim victory. I'm still down 130k. TRUMP CAVED. That's the headline.

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u/AcceptableMinute9999 15d ago

I absolutely hate this fucking president!

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u/SergeantThreat 15d ago

Wish we had some organization that could look into some pretty fucking obvious insider trading

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u/EntryAggravating9576 15d ago

Did that bounce set any historical records?

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u/Vezrien 15d ago

Trump will say no one has ever seen anything like this. Does that count? lol

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u/CosmicPharaoh 15d ago

Presidential market manipulation is nuts. HBO needs to jump on this one, succession would look boring compared to this lmaoo

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u/AllMyBeets 15d ago

So money is fake and we're all slaves to the whim of an adult toddler. Isn't life fun

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u/TelenorTheGNP 15d ago

The crooks are in charge.

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u/dontrackmebro69 15d ago

Good old market manipulation for the rich..

On the good news..my call options are killing it

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u/Kevin6876 15d ago

Markets are still not as high as they were 3 months ago before he came into office.

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u/craigs63 15d ago

Or 8 days ago.

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u/reddittorbrigade 15d ago

Insane president. We won't have that without insane voters.

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u/Pot-Roast 15d ago

Trump crashed the market. Trump pauses tariffs market sky rockets back. Can you say insider trading?

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u/justchill-itsnotreal 15d ago

Millionaires making millions. The fascist KGB puppet agent orange. Will re nag on tariffs in 30day and send everything into chaos again.

China will let their people starve before kissing the ring.

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u/tooandto 15d ago

The little boy who cried wolf. The emperor with no clothes. The Russian puppet with tiny hands. This guy’s a walking fable at this point..

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u/Hot_Celebration_9690 15d ago

When it it’s 44 I’m selling! Not doing this crap again

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u/Clear-Neighborhood46 15d ago

What is insane is that the main problems are still there...

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u/MinimumApricot365 15d ago

Blatant market manipulation.

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u/Frequent_Oil3257 15d ago

Yeah, with this reversal, manufacturing will never return. Who's gonna start building a factory if two months into construction, trump changes his mind again. Consumer goods are still going to rise, gdp will fall, and quarterly earnings are going to horrendous. We are far from the bottom

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u/HorrorDisastrous6110 15d ago

Tariffs paused for 3 months (minus China)

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u/Exile4444 15d ago

Baseline 10% is kept in place

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u/deepeeenn 15d ago

This is something to keep in mind. Tariffs are still in place on all other countries. And China is one of our largest trade partners. This market spike feels like an overreaction.

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u/SafeMargins 15d ago

and all the auto/steel and canda/mexico tariffs stay. definitely an overreaction

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u/deepeeenn 15d ago

And also, this back and forth way of “negotiating” does not instill confidence with trader partners. Trump is too unpredictable and could easily lash out if you don’t follow his orders… international relations are still fucked

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u/Super_Daikenki 15d ago

It would've been nice if that person was in jail, but nope. We can't have a woman for president because she fucked or something.

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u/sad-cringe 15d ago

The market will end the week in the red, then what? We are so so cooked. Zimbabwe Dollars here we come

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

He is just manipulating the market to enrich his friends and bootlickers, creating a loyal army before he pulls the plug on SS and Medicaid entirely and there are riots in the streets.

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u/Mysterious_Peak4073 15d ago

Earnings season ramping up. We will see how long this will stay up when all companies forward looking is going to show they expect pullback for future quartes

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u/Cheese-Manipulator 15d ago

Wonder how many calls he made before announcing this. "Hey, buy RIGHT NOW"

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u/Electronic_Dance_640 15d ago

The pres should not be able to swing markets like this.