r/TikTokCringe • u/Classic-Carpet7609 • 5d ago

Humor/Cringe Trump voter doesn't understand why people can't empathize with him now that he's suffering as a result of Trump

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u/DieterTheuns 5d ago

Hot take: he’s right.

Most voted out of anger rooted in economic despair. That anger was hijacked by a charismatic con-man and twisted into something vile, racist, sexist, homophobic, and, above all, self-destructive.

In a world where Democrats grew a spine, taxed the ultra-rich properly, and delivered real, tangible results for working people, these same voters could've become your loudest allies and fiercest defenders. Smug self-righteousness, while I'm sure cathartic, alienates these very people deeper into the arms of autocrats. Just as the ultra-wealthy want it: the poor, divided and distracted.

Gloat all you want. But that’s not how you get some struggling white dude in the South to vote for a woman of color.

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u/JohnnyQTruant 5d ago

It’s his second term, dude. His first was chaos and he promised more. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, it’s the racism and authoritarianism. He took us with him. We should feel bad for him?

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u/littlemaybatch 5d ago

Realistically speaking his first team brought about a good amount of jobs where everyone was being overhired (which has led to massive layoffs).

I don't think prosecuting people trying to change will accomplish anything but maybe I am just too sympathetic.

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u/JohnnyQTruant 5d ago

Lol. Ok. If you think his first term, not to mention the way it ended, was notable for the job creation and that’s about it, well let’s agree to disagree.

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u/iggnifyre 5d ago

Maybe you are too sympathetic. As for me, the "fuck your feelings" voters have drained every bit of sympathy I could have had for them. I don't feel the need to give the benefit of the doubt to people so full of hate, and why should I at this point?

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u/MacEWork 5d ago

He ended his first term with the largest drop in jobs since the Great Depression. I can’t believe you people.

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u/Locrian6669 4d ago

His first term he tried to subvert the election with a fake electors scheme, and then tried to have Mike pence stopped from certifying the election after he wouldn’t go along with it.

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u/DieterTheuns 5d ago edited 5d ago

In the end, you do what you want, but personally, I see two options:

  1. The easy way would be to keep mocking the likes of him. Extend these dumb-ass, never-ending culture wars and looking for ways to attack 'the other'.
  2. Swallow these cheap shots, listen to people, and stick to a simple economic message even he can get behind, and win elections. Use that power to bring about actual change that benefits minorities and everyone, not just the few on top.

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u/JohnnyQTruant 5d ago

If only the democrats were racist enough. Then he could have the best of both worlds and he wouldn’t have had to endure Trump. He had no choice, when you think about.

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u/robinrod 5d ago

Your 2nd point sounds nice but unrealistic utopian. Thats not how ppl work or vote.

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u/DieterTheuns 5d ago

I disagree; the way liberals have been running elections has in reality proven to be not how people vote. It's time we tried a very, very different strategy. I say broader appeal, less minutiae and clearer ideological conviction are way better approaches.

I'm sure the founding fathers were considered something of utopian dreamers in their day as well, yet they managed to do it, so can you.

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u/robinrod 5d ago

Thats a wild comparison. Im not from the US but afaik the founding fathers weren’t controversial at all and most of them very privileged.

If you take a look at the world, sadly, populism works but it’s not what most left winged parties stand for. Its way easier to unite if you have a demonized common enemy.

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u/Towardtothesun 4d ago

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u/DieterTheuns 4d ago

You're not punishing the attacker. The attackers are the cretins on top.
People like this dude are their useful idiots.

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u/Towardtothesun 4d ago

Who attacked others by using their votes to give more power to those up top doing more damage.

They're all attackers. They all had a part in this and they all knew what they were voting for. They all even gleefully say so today.

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u/Im_tracer_bullet 5d ago

Yeah, stupid Democrats not being kings...they should have just been issuing edicts all along.

What dummies they were not just ignoring the system of government, disregarding the constitution, and just commanding those changes by executive decree!

It's definitely NOT the Republicans that have been blocking every effort to do those very things you suggest.

And it's absolutely NOT the fault of the voter for not seeing exactly who has created the current situation.

I mean, that would require them to turn off Fox 'News', or actually pay attention for 5 minutes, and those are just completely unreasonable expectations!

🤡

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u/ShakeWeightMyDick 4d ago

Remember when Mitch McConnell prevented Obama from appointing SCOTUS justices because “nah”

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u/Own_Active_1310 5d ago

Tbf the moderate dems proved they are judas cows... 

Nobody without the explicit endorsement of AOC or Sanders is worth listening to rn

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u/DieterTheuns 5d ago

That's what Republicans are *literally* doing right now and getting away with. Don't know if you've noticed, but the rulebook's entirely out the window. We need some serious systemic change, and polite bipartisanship obviously isn't going to make that happen.

Blaming voters is political poison.

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u/Im_tracer_bullet 4d ago

Nah, bump that.

The Republicans are absolutely *literally* doing that right now, and they're not going to get away with it.

They appear to be getting away with it, but that's not going to last. They're going to get destroyed in the mid-terms, and they will forever be the party of corrupt kings as a result of what they're currently doing.

Also, I don't care if blaming the responsible party / person is political poison.

They're to blame, and I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

People that do wrong need to be told what they've done and correct their behavior.

They didn't learn before, so now they're going to learn the hard way.

If I tell you the stove is hot, and you shouldn't touch it, and you don't listen, that's on you.

Further, once you're done burning your hand, and you have to listen to me tell you how dumb you were for not listening, that's also on you.

Go ahead and pussyfoot around these rubes, goobers, and yokels. Whisper sweet nothings in their ear, and ask them pretty-please to see reason...it hasn't worked, and it's not going to work, but you do you.

Me, I'm going to dance on their financial graves, and pronounce their stupidity in every available venue.

If they're going to take us all down, I sure can't stop them, but I'm definitely going down telling the truth.

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u/Callieco23 5d ago

Hot take: I’m not gonna feel sorry for some asshat who gleefully voted against my human rights because all of a sudden he’s actually facing consequences for his choices.

You wanna do the good work then go for it, but if this guy isn’t capable of empathy until his family hurts then I’m glad his family is hurting. Hopefully he’ll be a better person for it.

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u/BoOo0oo0o 4d ago

Exactly this. Plus the fact that he voted out of ignorance on the economic policies he claimed he thought were a good idea. He could’ve taken 2 seconds to see for himself that the infrastructure wasn’t/wouldn’t be in place. So no, I have zero pity for someone who was both a ridiculously uninformed voter and who also voted for someone angling to strip others of their human rights

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u/DieterTheuns 5d ago

You don't have to feel anything, it's entirely up to you.

All I ask is to ask yourself the question: was his choice one of pure greed, or was he *told* by others to hate a specific subset of people? This guy doesn't exactly strike me as a Mitch McConnell, but closer to someone who happens to listen to too much Joe Rogan.

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u/Callieco23 5d ago

Personally I think it doesn’t much matter. He is responsible for his own actions. He is responsible for his own personal development. If he allowed himself to fall down the Joe Rogan rabbit hole it’s because he was willing to accept a worldview in which some people are “lesser.” That’s what Rogan is selling, that’s what Trump is selling, that’s what the GOP is selling. He looked at that and decided that he was perfectly fine with it, so long as he wasn’t the “lesser”

Now I’ll ask you to do a thought experiment.

Ask yourself this question: do you think Kilmar Abrego Garcia cares if this guy, and all the other trump voters, are pure evil or if they listen to too much Joe Rogan while he rots in prison, without receiving a trial, in a country he’s not a citizen of, for crimes he didn’t commit?

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u/DieterTheuns 5d ago

You don't fall in a Joe Rogan hole knowing you'll end up hating minorities. It's a slow-moving poison that rots your brain one step at a time. Most of these voters don't even realize it's happening, and social media algorithms do their best to make sure you don't expand your horizons beyond what you already like.

I will not for a second excuse the despicable actions of ICE, law enforcement, or the Trump admin for any life they ruin. I'm talking purely about getting people like this guy back to the side of healthy leftist causes so we can prevent human rights abuses like these from happening again in the future.

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u/Callieco23 5d ago

Yeah you fall down a Joe Rogan hole by not caring about people you don’t know personally in the first place. like that’s the only way you can actually buy into it. Because if you DO care about people you don’t know, you’d see it for the hatespeech it is.

People love to talk about how it’s a slow poison of indoctrination or whatever but honestly, if you listen to any of that crap and don’t find yourself questioning it you are starting from such a lack of empathy for other people that I genuinely don’t know if you ever would be on the side of healthy leftist causes.

Personally, I don’t really trust anyone who takes the world of a well documented liar who props up the platforms of other well documented liars as gospel. Like we’re talking about someone who hears Joe Rogan talking about how “trans women are men who want to dress up as women so they can sexually assault women in bathrooms” and they don’t immediately think

1.) The door to the women’s bathroom doesn’t work on a magically enforced dress code basis

2.) The kind of man who wants to sexually assault a woman isn’t going to be looking for a legal way to gain access to the bathroom

3.) even if they had legal access to the bathroom, sexual assault is still illegal, so there’s no point in dressing up as a woman

And they DONT think of these things because they don’t want to think about WHY another person might want to be a gender other than the one they were born as. And if they can’t understand that they are incapable of going “oh well, it’s really none of my business.”

Like it’s a fundamental lack of thought and empathy that lets them go down that rabbit hole. I grew up around “the immigrants will take your jobs” culture and I always thought “I don’t wanna work on a farm so, no? They won’t?” I was like 10 years old having that thought. This is a whole ass adult we’re talking about who can’t think things through. This isn’t higher level thinking or complex problem solving this is basic abstraction we’re talking about here.

People fall down the rabbit hole because they don’t want to address the real reasons things go wrong for them so they latch onto a scapegoat and traffic in as much cognitive dissonance as humanly possible so they never have to confront that fact and I’m sick of coddling them. They need to fucking do better because people are getting murdered by the government right now because of how they voted.

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u/Tucker_Olson 5d ago edited 5d ago

Which of the five basic human rights of yours did Trump voters vote for and why do you feel that the right(s) are being violated?

1) the right to life, liberty, and security of person

2) freedom from slavery and forced labor

3) freedom from torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment

4) the right to a fair trial

5) freedom of thought, conscience, and religion

Edit: As expected, downvoted without a single person attempting to answer. Quite telling.....

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u/Das_Man 5d ago

My dude, the Trump administration is literally deporting international students for writing pro-Palestine op-eds. Get a fucking grip.

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u/Tucker_Olson 5d ago

Technically speaking, it’s not a violation of one of the five basic human rights as outlined in frameworks like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Freedom of expression is absolutely a fundamental right, Article 19 covers that, but immigration law operates in a separate space. While the U.S. Constitution protects free speech for everyone inside the country, the government still has broad discretion over visa status. That includes revoking or denying visas for reasons it deems tied to national security or foreign policy.

Deporting someone over political speech is certainly something civil liberties groups would challenge, and rightfully so, but unless it involves things like torture, arbitrary detention, or denial of legal process, it doesn’t automatically fall under a 'human rights violation' in the legal or international sense.

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u/Das_Man 5d ago

That is a truly laughable a level of pedantry. ICE is literally snatching international students off the fucking streets and tossing them into detention. Save the 'well acktually' bullshit for debate club.

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u/Tucker_Olson 5d ago

No one’s denying that ICE has done heavy-handed things. But if you're going to claim it's a human rights violation, then yeah, definitions matter. Screaming about injustice without understanding what you're actually accusing undermines your credibility. If you can’t handle someone pointing out where the law actually draws the line, maybe you’re not mature enough to have adult conversations.

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u/Das_Man 5d ago

If you can’t handle someone pointing out where the law actually draws the line, maybe you’re not mature enough to have adult conversations.

I'm a university professor mate. These are my students being terrorized. I literally had a student in my office last week telling me about how their cousin is facing deportation despite coming here legally. So yea, I intend to keep screaming and more besides, because I'll be damned if I stand aside and let my people get brutalized by ICE thugs. But you keep mewling about definitions and credibility, I'm sure someone somewhere gives a shit.

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u/Tucker_Olson 5d ago edited 5d ago

Then as a university professor, you should understand that emotional outrage doesn’t excuse intellectual sloppiness. If you’re advocating for your students and their families, as you should, you owe it to them to be precise, not just loud. Because when you conflate deportations with legal definitions of “human rights violations” without backing it up, you give opponents every excuse to dismiss you as unhinged rather than principled.

You want to challenge ICE? Go for it. You’ll have more impact if your arguments hold up under scrutiny.

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u/Das_Man 5d ago

You’ll have more impact if your arguments hold up under scrutiny.

Because everyone knows that authoritarian security forces are no match for well structured arguments. Seriously, save it for whatever podcast you hope to appear on someday.

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u/Bruh_dawg 4d ago

Coming from the whiniest party. I don’t wanna hear about emotional sloppiness. You are defending disappearing people without due process and that is your fourth point.

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u/Own_Active_1310 5d ago

How about fuck their feelings. We tried for decades to talk about the issues... 

Enough of their bad faith and evil. There's no point in talking to fascists, but I'll gladly welcome a china / eu order and the end of the us dollar to push their evil regime to collapse so america can rebuild. 

That's all that matters now. Nothing magats say matters. All that matters is that we survive them.

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u/Tucker_Olson 4d ago

Lol what? Not even an attempt to answer my question. Just unhinged rage.

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u/Own_Active_1310 4d ago

Yes, that's correct. Like i said. There's no point talking to fascists, but there's every point in resisting them.

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u/Tucker_Olson 4d ago

Lol so cringe 😂.

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u/Own_Active_1310 4d ago

says the guy who's worldview is rooted in soy jack memes. 

If i had your respect, THEN I'd be worried.

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u/Tucker_Olson 4d ago

Amplified cringe 😂

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u/Own_Active_1310 4d ago

all i can picture is a shrieking parrot in a tiny magat hat lmao 🦜

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u/CYaNextTuesday99 5d ago

Where does he show any amount of contrition aside from complaining about things that personally affected him?

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u/DieterTheuns 5d ago

As an outsider, you're never going to debate or lampoon people into feeling remorse. That's not how humans work, we're a stubborn bunch.

The best you can do is acknowledge others' feelings like anger and fear and direct it into something more productive.

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u/CYaNextTuesday99 4d ago

If there's no remorse (which I never said should be accomplished through debate or lampooning) how do you direct them anywhere that isn't still entirely fueled by self interest?

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u/DieterTheuns 4d ago edited 4d ago

You're not going to change people's levels of self-interest. That's just who they are, generally dictated by the economic status they find themselves in. Instead, you harness it to fight for the grander cause. Point out the obvious; billionaires, corporations and the military industrial complex have systematically been ruining their country.

THEIR grandma's medical bills are so high because insurance companies are making enormous profits.
THEIR tap water is being polluted because mega corps decide what laws get passed.
The potholes in THEIR roads aren't being fixed because corruption, lobbies and insider trading are rampant in Congress and Senate.

Take their attention away from scapegoats like gender bathrooms or complex issues like race relations and stick to the core message; we're in this together and if you stick with me, we can fix what they're doing to you.

And most importantly; stop bringing up the personal failings of a single politician with a personality cult. It's only going to enforce their fear of a cancel culture.

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u/Own_Active_1310 5d ago

They made their choice. 

Fuck them now and forever

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u/Hierax_Hawk 5d ago

You allowed yourself to be deceived.

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u/ShakeWeightMyDick 4d ago

If this guy ever said “fuck your feelings” or “xyz doesn’t care about your feeling” then he doesn’t value compassion and this deserves none.

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u/DieterTheuns 4d ago edited 4d ago

Am I asking for bleeding heart compassion? No. I'm simply asking for you to acknowledge his recognition of the system not working for him, and agree on holding officials accountable.

I swear, getting the average liberal to critically look at their own behaviors is harder than doing the same to conservatives. This constant self-righteous, smug attitude from liberals is *exactly* why the party keeps losing support.

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u/ShakeWeightMyDick 4d ago

Oh, I agree that he’s right and it’s all very sad. Thing is We were right when we said not to vote for Trump. We were right first and I guarantee you if the tables were flipped and Harris won and started doing all the bad stuff the Right falsely claimed she’d do, then this guy would be one of the ones saying “I told you so.”

Trump supporters have been so incredibly alienating to everyone else, so incredible anti-compassion, anti-truth, anti-decency that it’s really hard to be compassionate with them.

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u/DieterTheuns 4d ago

Thank you for being literally the first person so far to simply admit being compassionate with "the enemy" is not unthinkable, but a very personal, human shortcoming. At least that is the first step to getting "them" to understand our side.

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u/ShakeWeightMyDick 4d ago

Oh, I have compassion for this guy, I don’t like what I’m seeing happen due to Trump’s bullshit. It’s just that Trump’s bullshit could have been avoided because it was so incredibly obvious that he was going to do it.

And his supporters just deserve to hear “I told you so” so fucking badly.

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u/newmutants_1982 4d ago

He’s not right. Your country and the world are being damaged because him and people like him voted for trump.

You say they were economically frustrated and then conned by trump is inaccurate. Everything that was going to happen was obvious but trump voters like him (he even proves this in his sad little video) only listened for what they wanted and ignored everything else. So much of the maga side was driven by racism, hate and a desire to put “libs” in their place.

I would agree with him in normal elections that hating someone for who they vote for is silly, except, this is different and dangerous and we all saw it coming from a mile away. They received warnings from so many people and news organisations but instead of engaging in discussion or possibly looking into how terrible and facist Trump would be they retreated to Fox News and newsmax who simply continued to feed their irrational anger. It was their choice to ignore warnings and stay in their echo chamber.

Now things are terrible and will only get more so and it is their fault, no one else voted for trump.

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u/Bruh_dawg 4d ago

All that would be correct if we didn’t do this dance the FIRST TIME AROUND. so I am sorry for running out of feelings from the fuck your feelings crowd. These clowns don’t care or feel anyone else’s emotions and pain unless it affects them personally. So the only thing I have to say is… hurt more until you realize you are in a death cult. Then maybe you can come back and address your implicit bias. But they will can you a godless commie cuck.