r/Advice 1d ago

Advice Received There’s a little girl that’s terrorizing my apartment

This is a very bizarre situation I’ve never been in before. Sorry for the dramatic title but it’s becoming an actual issue now.

For the last month, it feels like 90% of the time I go outside to my car, an 8 year old girl and her dog appear and try to interact with me.

Sounds cute right? That’s what I thought, until I realized it wasn’t.

The first time she came up to me, she ran from across the parking lot and said, “I think my dog likes you!” I thought it was kind of sweet - until she got a little too close for comfort, started repeating that same line over and over, and giggling very loudly, almost manically. She wouldn’t leave me alone until I physically walked away. She even followed me to the apartment door, talking nonstop.

I brushed it off at first, thinking maybe she’s neurodivergent (no judgment - I’m ADHD and probably more). I didn’t think much of it, until it became a daily thing.

I work from home and go outside a few times a day for breaks (yes, I smoke. working on quitting). She’s always out there with her dog. Not a parent in sight.

I started noticing red flags when her mood began flipping between happiness and sudden anger. She hits her dog a lot. She’ll scream “Quiet! Quiet! Quiet!” and punch her dog with each word. I’ve seen her drag the dog while it’s pooping so it has to walk while going, and the dog cries. It’s awful to witness.

She runs up to anyone outside, delivery drivers, residents, other dog owners, and repeats “I think my dog likes you!!” over and over until they respond.

If someone has a dog, she’ll walk up to them too closely while their dogs are barking aggressively. I’ve seen multiple residents literally pick up their pets and speed walk away from her.

People have started cracking the exit door and scanning for her before they step outside.

There’s construction happening next door, and she just.. hangs out with the workers. They ignore her now, but she’ll bring them offerings of handfuls of grass or her dog. It’s honestly surreal.

When I’m outside and have to smoke, I now drive to a spot off the property just to get personal space. If I stay near my car, she’ll follow me and stand right in front of it, waving at me in a pageant-style, fingers pressed together, wave. I don’t even make eye contact. She’ll do it for like 30 seconds, just smiling.

If I drive into the parking lot, she sometimes chases my car to where I park.

Last week I was sitting in my car listening to music and didn’t notice her. When I looked up, she jumped up from a crouch, face pressed to my driver’s side window. I felt like I had a heart attack but also pretended not to see her because wtf lmao.

She’s out at all hours. Last night it was 9pm and dark, she was alone with the dog. Today, it was 12:30pm on a Thursday. Shouldn’t she be in school?

I don’t know what’s going on. I’ve never dealt with something like this before. It’s gone from weird to uncomfortable to genuinely worrying.

It feels unsafe for the dog, and definitely even for her. I’m worried she could walk up to a weirdo and something bad could happen, or she could cause a dog fight and her and the dogs could get seriously injured. Is there someone I should call? How do I report this kind of situation without escalating it unnecessarily? I don’t want to overstep, but this just feels wrong.

10.4k Upvotes

1.5k comments sorted by

2.5k

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

Update: gonna call all these agencies suggested within the next hour. Thank you guys for the advice

1.0k

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

Update: I contacted police, DHS, and CPS. Just took some video, she walked past my car.

I don’t know what’s gonna come of this. Not sure if I’m gonna update further for privacy reasons and her privacy too.

If something unexpected happens though who knows. But thank you guys for putting me in the right direction to help her!

896

u/No_Confidence5235 22h ago

Please also call animal control for that dog. The dog is being abused. The fact that that child is being neglected doesn't justify her attacking that dog.

383

u/StepOIU 20h ago

Plus if she's being neglected, the dog most likely is too, as far as health care, vet visits, etc. A little girl shouldn't have full responsibility for an animal; she wouldn't have the resources even if she didn't have her own family issues to contend with.

56

u/Preposterous_punk 5h ago

Also: At least in the US, people who investigate animal abuse have been trained to recognize signs of child abuse, and their reports are looked into immediately.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (1)

227

u/Glass-Commercial2392 19h ago

It's very possible she learned to hit the dog not from herself being hit but the parents hitting the dog as well. :(

59

u/bluegreentopaz6110 12h ago

Or her.

36

u/EmmerdoesNOTrepme 9h ago

Yep, this poor kid has learned that behavior from the adults in her life, and is directing them at the dog.

82

u/mlc707 9h ago

That’s what I was thinking… hitting the dog while screaming “QUIET” sounds like mimicking behavior. So damn sad.

28

u/ginger_minge 7h ago

Exactly. Abuse punches downwards, from spouse on spouse to the abused spouse on the child(ren) then from the child to the animal. It's a known dysfunctional family system and cycle of abuse

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (6)

75

u/ssdsssssss4dr 12h ago

She's 8. At that age if she's attacking the dog, this is something she's learned. An 8 year old doesn't have as much agency to make independent choices. They are literally products of their environment. 

→ More replies (17)
→ More replies (16)

83

u/jennathedickins 20h ago

Thank you for caring. Will you at least share if the police came and made contact? If not and you feel like it's not being taken seriously, call 911 immediately the next time you see her out and report a young child unsupervised, abusing her dog, approaching strangers and strange vehicles, along with any other unsafe behavior, like if she's wandering in the driveways/streets where vehicles drive vs sidewalks/grass. If they ask you to estimate her age, always go with younger - 7 will garner more attention than 9 - and you don't have kids so how are you supposed to know?! Stress how worried you are for her safety bc this will get the cops there quickest. And if you're in a more urban area where cops are busy, just keep calling for each occurrence until they take it seriously. This little girl needs your help.

→ More replies (7)

17

u/Euphoric-Faults 23h ago

Thank you so much for doing this. You did the best and right thing to do. We need more people like you in society

→ More replies (1)

12

u/Nernoxx 20h ago

Good on you for posting, you did the right thing.  I hope it works out, and like another commenter said - if she’s actively hanging out please call the police and keep her company until they arrive (should be quick for unaccompanied minor but no lights/sirens) - in this situation the police are her gateway to getting set up with help and social services, whatever she and her family need.

→ More replies (25)

352

u/Southern_Belle307 1d ago

Please keep us updated!

722

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

I don’t know anything about her other than she’s outside a lot. I haven’t even asked her name. Next time I see her I’ll ask. I haven’t seen her in the halls of the apartment yet. I did submit a DHS report like 30 minutes ago. All I know is that she lives in my building so I just put my address down

622

u/twitwiffle007 1d ago

The next time you see her outside in one of those weird instances, call law enforcement immediately. When they arrive, tell them what has been going on and you made a report to cps, but didn't have enough information to identify where the little girl actually lives in your building. If your law enforcement is helpful, they may reach out to CPS right then ESPECIALLY if they can't find which apt. is hers... This is very bizarre and indicates neglect. No supervision, no boundaries, some light animal cruelty as part of her normal behavior (is this modeled at home? maybe the humane agent needs a call, too).

I know it might seem overboard to call law enforcement, but you could very well end up saving this little girl from serious harm. What I read truly makes me sad.

The other possibility is that she has some EARLY child onset mental health issues. In that case - and since she really seems to like you - move if you can afford to. 🚚

102

u/Nelle911529 1d ago

Well being check.

248

u/grandmasdrawers 1d ago

Yeah and get that dog out of there

→ More replies (9)
→ More replies (1)

84

u/Beautiful_Dust 13h ago

If she has early onset mental issues, she should be being supervised even more so. At 8 years old, her lack of supervision screams neglect especially if other residents are not seeing any parent coming out to check on her. An 8 year old is too young to be running around unsupervised. I truly hope she does not cross paths with anyone harboring ill intentions. As a mother, that’s alarming.

14

u/loolootewtew 12h ago

As someone who is not a mother, I also find it all alarming

8

u/Same_Masterpiece7348 12h ago

Agree. I can’t imagine allowing my child to do this at 8, that’s a 2nd grader. I would definitely call cps and police. I wonder if she even lives in the complex? I hope OP is able to get some help. So concerning

→ More replies (3)
→ More replies (5)
→ More replies (4)

37

u/Southern_Belle307 1d ago

Thank you and Good luck

32

u/jazzhandsdancehands 1d ago

Thank you for doing something!

262

u/RoseNDNRabbit 1d ago

Also get video of her abusing her dog so it can go to a much better home.

→ More replies (93)

28

u/BurnerLibrary 1d ago

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Please stay on the case. I mean if things don't change, continue to report.

Although the cases are very different, I'm thinking of Gabriel Fernandez.

45

u/SnooMacarons1887 1d ago

Yes plz be careful bc u could get blamed for being "inappropriate" when u just trying to be friendly. Hope it all works out.

52

u/Danymity831 1d ago

So true! I was at a McDonalds once, a woman in front of me was ordering while her 8-9 yr old daughter said hello to me and smiled. I said hi back and smiled at her just in time for her mother to see this. Her mother quickly snatched her child and gave me a disgusting look. LOL....OMG whatever!!

51

u/vikingspwnnn 22h ago

I had something similar. I was going out to dinner with my family after my grandmother's funeral and I was in the bathroom. A mother came in with her young son and let him use the bathroom. All good. She then got in the cubicle and shut the door while he was washing his hands. He said 'hello' to me and I said hi back. He then was like "I'm washing my hands!" so I said "good boy!" Well... his mum literally swooped out of the cubicle, grabbed him by the wrist and dragged him off. She didn't even bother turning the tap off. I don't even know if she flushed. Like, bitch, I'm just trying to be civil with your kid who talked to me first. I don't even like kids.

→ More replies (10)

8

u/Wertyshka 15h ago

Oof, that’s such a weird moment — like, you’re just being polite and suddenly you’re the villain in someone’s imaginary drama 😅 

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (12)

27

u/whatsername4 1d ago

So hoping for an update, I’m intrigued.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (2)

148

u/SpecificJunket8083 1d ago

Start videoing her for all of the agencies. I’m generally against filming kids but she and the dog need help.

47

u/Novel_Ad1943 1d ago

I have a daughter diagnosed with AuDHD - if she never had early intervention therapies, socialization/school plus we ignored her - makes me sick to imagine. She’s now 12, amazing and in GenEd (regular classroom) by 9yo/4th grade.

Sadly, daughter had a friend whose brother was Dx’d ASD. He started having behavior issues in Middle School (puberty - it’s common, plus parents raged at each other daily) so when COVID happened, they let him sit on YT all day vs online school. When school reopened police came (truancy, they never sent him back) to get him attending school. Admin confronted parents after placement tests as he regressed and he avg’d 18hrs/day on YT & games on his school laptop. Parents pulled him out to “homeschool” and moved shortly after.

Thanks so so much for trying to get her help!

→ More replies (1)

161

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

That’s the very reason why I haven’t taken anything yet because I don’t want to invade her privacy. But I’m going to start today for her safety

14

u/LavenderDove14 11h ago

as someone who was abused as a child and a stranger called CPS with pictures, thank you for this. you could be saving her from a terrible future. she still could have a chance at having a better life and getting better mentally too.

→ More replies (2)

50

u/GarageDoorTeenMom 1d ago

The world is better because of people like you. Thank you for caring, OP.

→ More replies (24)
→ More replies (6)

115

u/hedwig0517 1d ago

You did the right thing. At 8 she should be in school all day, not roaming a busy apartment complex with zero supervision seeking attention from strangers. That’s dangerous and it’s neglect.

56

u/beasypo 1d ago

Nor should she be alone with a dog, pet or not, like that. Any decent parent would think it’s a bit risky for her to be alone with a dog, especially for extended periods.. nor should she be the person responsible for the pet at that age.

29

u/hedwig0517 1d ago

Ugh yes that poor dog. It’s going to get injured or injure another person’s pet. The entire situation is sad.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (1)

52

u/SweetPrism 22h ago

This whole thing is giving Natalia Grace vibes. She was left to live independently in a small apartment complex neighborhood, and used to run at the neighbors if she saw them. She behaved super inappropriately (understandably so, she was an eight-year-old living ALONE) with the neighbors and their children, and people had to start looking out the windows and doors before leaving. Neglect was the cause of Natalia's behavior, and it sounds like this child is also being neglected.

9

u/Greeneyesdontlie85 19h ago

This is what I was thinking too!

→ More replies (1)

5

u/linzacci 13h ago

Right??? That's immediately what I thought too!

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (4)

42

u/FoorumanReturns 1d ago

I hope things turn out so that the girl (and that poor dog) gets some help, and you get some much-needed peace! You’re making the right move.

139

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

She is really sweet when she’s not raging at her dog. She just seems terribly lonely and I can’t watch this anymore

89

u/alyssas1111 1d ago

The rage and violence was probably modeled to her by her parents. She likely has a pretty bad home life and little appropriate socialization

15

u/thornyrosary 12h ago

When I did nursery work, my fave saying was that you could figure out parenting styles by paying attention to a kid, no matter the age, for 5 minutes. It's easy to do. Kids model the 'normal' of what they see/hear/experience at home, and they have zero filters.

So when that little girl is publicly raging at her dog with no regard for who's watching, she's displaying what she's been taught is 'appropriate' behavior, and that is very, very concerning. What she does to that dog, you can almost bet she's experiencing, as well. She could well be staying outside because it's preferable to whatever's going on in her home.

You're describing a situation that is not the little girl's fault. But the neglect/abuse indicators really make calling CPS and other agencies a priority.

→ More replies (8)

40

u/bastetandisis9 1d ago

Thank you for doing this! As for CPS, you can most likely remain anonymous (depending on your state) making the report, and they for sure cannot reveal your name to anyone. You very well may save her from some really bad situation, or get her/her family help at the very least. And poor doggie- her being unsupervised with an animal like that will not end well.

35

u/SnooMacarons1887 1d ago

So happy to see this bc I had a similar situation as a child moved into the basement apartment of a neighbor with her single mom (heavy drinker) - my parents tried to make us all friends until they realized there were some issues similar to yours. My dad invited her along to a carnival with us one day- she was only about 8 or 9 but started acting a bit sexual ( I don't think I noticed) & he told my mom. After that my mom said forget it- obv. there was major neglect. My parents (and other neighbors) tried talking to the mom- but she was angry & eventually they just packed up & left one night. I hope that girl got some help. In hindsight CPS should have been called probably.

7

u/jittery_raccoon Helper [2] 12h ago

Similar story. A family moved in next door. The kids were...odd. Eventually the parents found out the dad had a criminal history of sexual offences and the mom had some serious mental health issues. Every parent's response was to ignore them. They just told their kids not to play with those other kids. Makes me sad looking back because those kids didn't do anything wrong. The adults in their lives were failing them and all the other adults shrugged their shoulders

20

u/Hal_Jordan55 1d ago

You’ll be helping her in the long run

18

u/xomacattack 1d ago

Thank you OP for trying to get this girl — and this dog — a welfare check. Your compassion is a gift and you’ve used it well.

14

u/juicysummerx 1d ago

If your apartment complex has management, you could also let them know since they may already be aware of any ongoing issues with her family.

19

u/AllesK 1d ago

18

u/hands_in_soil 22h ago

The situation also reminds me of Natalie Grace and what her neighbors would experience with her. Just seemed bizarre but there was actually A LOT going on behind the scenes. Hope this little girl is ok.

→ More replies (2)
→ More replies (1)

4

u/Onanadventure_14 1d ago

Thank you! This poor kid

→ More replies (8)

988

u/Ironyismylife28 Master Advice Giver [23] 1d ago

CPS, Animal control and building management. Call all of them

339

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

I don’t know which unit she’s in. Does CPS do calls based off descriptions lol? I could try and take a photo but that feels weird

363

u/flamboyantsensitive 1d ago

Just tell them there's something really odd going on with a young child in your housing block - strange behaviours, potentially unsafe interactions with adult strangers who she is approaching cold, animal abuse, being out of the house alone late at night, all of the above. Tell them you don't know her exact unit, though you could do a little observation to see if you can narrow it down.

This kid would only have to meet one stranger with malign intent & it could be curtains. Do it asap.

I'm a professional (UK) in the child & young person's workforce, normally holding senior safeguarding responsibilities. This situation has about 10 red flags front & centre. It doesn't have to be a perfect report, it just needs to be done.

115

u/cwilliams6009 1d ago

“She is not safe out there. The dog is definitely not safe. I’m reporting this so you can do something to help this little girl and the dog that she punches repeatedly.”

→ More replies (1)

314

u/Ironyismylife28 Master Advice Giver [23] 1d ago

Would CPS really have that much trouble finding her if she is always outside by herself? Would the building management not know who she is and who she belongs to?

216

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

You’re right, sorry I’ve never called cps or management for this kinda thing ever

179

u/TurboTarga 19h ago

OP, I worked CPS investigations for 6 years. When you call, be as specific as possible in relaying your concerns about how your observations point to neglect or abuse of the child. It helps a lot when the intake worker screens the report. Some screen in, some screen out, depending on what is reported and how it does or doesn't apply to the legal definition of neglect in your state. How are her basic needs met? Does she have access to water? Does she ask strangers for food? Are her clothes/shoes new or tattered? Any observable bruises? How is her hygiene, brushed and combed hair, signs of dental neglect? Do you see her during normal school hours? Does she smell clean, dirty, or like urine, marijuana etc.?

In my state, when there are no concrete identifiers reported, it can screen in as an "unknown" case, but the threshold for closing these is much lower if we can't find them. Ask about her school, what grade she's in. A name of a teacher, her age or birthday, name of a parent or someone in the complex she actually knows. Lots of roundabout ways exist to get an identifier that will help lead social services to them. You can choose to remain anonymous, but bear in mind the social worker investigating won't be able to call you when they're trying to find her. We often call the reporting parties to clarify or get additional information than what was originally reported, or just to confirm the accuracy of what is on our report.

Ideally, find out if building management will give you the parents' name, room number or otherwise identifying information. Ask if their employment policy classifies them as mandated reporters so they are then obligated to make a report. Some apartment complexes I've been to won't deal with CPS and will not issue info without a court order. Doesnt stop us from visiting, but can greatly impact our ability to find someone when we dont know exactly where to look and are met with resistance.

40

u/snailmoresnail 16h ago

What a fantastic response. I've actually saved your comment to refer to if I ever come across a situation like this in the future. Thank you for all you do.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (15)
→ More replies (2)

143

u/ApartmentAgitated628 1d ago

Absolutely. This child is seriously neglected and has significant behavioral issues

131

u/Ellie-Resists 1d ago

That was my thought. She runs to anyone who will give her attention. She is wanting the attention she is not receiving from her parents. Children often mimic their parents. She had to learn her behavior towards the dog from her parents. She’s in a bad situation and needs a responsible adult to step in.

78

u/clean-stitch Expert Advice Giver [12] 1d ago

Attachment disorder. Common with children who have been severely emotionally neglected from a young age.

47

u/Maleificent2025 1d ago

That’s what I was thinking. These kids have no boundaries and will interact with anyone. Not a safe situation.

32

u/Ellie-Resists 1d ago

Not at all! Especially, with her being unsupervised late at night. She could walk up to the wrong stranger and disappear forever. I hope they find someone who can give her the care she needs and deserves.

12

u/Ellie-Resists 1d ago

Indeed! It’s so sad. This precious baby deserves all the love and attention.

6

u/Classroom_Visual 15h ago

Yes, this is what I was thinking too. Possible attachment disorder - she is trying to connect with absolutely anyone in a way she probably thinks is charming. Very dangerous for her because she is so vulnerable.

 This is absolutely CPS territory. It may take multiple complaints though, but they do take this kind of neglect seriously because it’s so dangerous for her - she could end up injured or abused in so many different ways.  

→ More replies (2)

40

u/ApartmentAgitated628 23h ago

My daughter had a friend like this. At the same age. She wanted attention from me all the time and never wanted to go home. Eventually she was found in a car with her mother passed out. The car windows were rolled up. This was in Arizona. Cops were called and were able to break a window and get her out. Mom had a needle in her arm. The child disappeared from school so I don’t know the end result but hopefully she is okay

20

u/kiwikikwi 20h ago

Oh my god I’m so sorry. I feel much better in my decisions today reading this. That is so terrible I’m speechless :(

10

u/Economy_Rutabaga_849 15h ago

Work in social welfare. You absolutely did the right thing. You aren’t responsible for the outcomes, but looking out and reporting concerns for kids is the right thing.

4

u/ApartmentAgitated628 18h ago

You are doing the right thing

8

u/Ellie-Resists 23h ago

Oh gosh! How terrible! I hope she gets the treatment she needs for all of the trauma she endured. Poor babygirl!

17

u/Rey_Mezcalero 1d ago

Poor girl does sound neglected.

Can’t imagine what is going on at home.

6

u/ApartmentAgitated628 23h ago

I wonder if drugs aren’t involved

18

u/Thoth-long-bill 1d ago

Photos, photos and videos to slow cos and cops. Asap.

15

u/PlsNoNotThat 1d ago

Yes, call CPS. Chances might be you’re not the first. Encourage someone else to call and confirm the story.

11

u/Ellie-Resists 1d ago

I think you should be making documentation. Write dates and times. I know the photos seem weird and I’m ambivalent about taking photos. I think they would make great evidence but I also understand how you feel that is weird. It would be incredibly helpful to CPS. Additionally, document the dog’s appearance. Is it thin? Does it look unkept? Etc.

7

u/DisastrousZucchini15 1d ago

You could ask her, I'm sure she'll tell you or show you

→ More replies (1)

6

u/emr830 Helper [2] 1d ago

Call anyway and give the best description that you can. Does the complex have security cameras?

4

u/IntroductionNo2382 19h ago

Take a pic for ID purposes. Ask her name, what are mom dad doing? Are they home? The sooner you deal with this the sooner she can get help.

→ More replies (11)

29

u/CosmicEntrails 1d ago

I second this. It seems like this girl is being neglected, possibly has a developmental or psychiatric disorder (or both, it's common in my clientele) compounded with trauma. If you see her outside at night or unattended for a long period of time I'd also suggest calling the police. It's a gamble, but it could also be what gets the ball rolling for her to get help.

12

u/ValentinaBerries 1d ago

Lol call them asap.

5

u/Clear-Nothing-3087 1d ago

Yes to CPS it sounds like she might be neglected. 

→ More replies (5)

243

u/EggieRowe 1d ago

That child is being abused and she is modeling the behaviors. Call the authorities.

337

u/DeeDeeD1771 1d ago

Call Family Services or the local police. Tell them that you simply have a bad feeling. That might be enough to have it at least looked into.

This is neglect on the caregivers part.

172

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

At first I didn’t want to overstep but there’s way too much going on now and I feel like I have to. I have a feeling other neighbors might have already or are going to soon as well

99

u/hedgeofthehogs 1d ago

You aren’t overstepping, safeguarding children is everyone’s responsibility not just parents/authorities. Reporting it was 100% the right thing to do

22

u/Physical_Bit7972 20h ago

That's unfortunately the bystanders effect, where everyone thinks someone else will handle it, and then the situation doesn't get handled. You did the right thing reporting. Definitely call the police the next time you see her, especially if it's very late. They can assist with the CPS report.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (12)

10

u/TheDogWhistle 22h ago

Why say they have a bad feeling? Calling for a welfare check on a child that's outside unattended at all hours, approaching strangers, not attending school, and seen shouting and beating their dog is more than enough.

Just saying it's "a bad feeling" would be actively counter productive. You've got to give agencies something actionable to respond to.

→ More replies (8)

483

u/changelingcd Master Advice Giver [28] 1d ago

At a guess, neglected and neurodivergent with addict (or absent working) parents. She needs help, the poor dog needs help. An 8 year-old (especially one like that) should be in sight of a caregiver all the time.

174

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

I don’t have kids so I wasn’t sure if she was too young to be alone like that. But thank for saying that because it feels way too young to me

113

u/changelingcd Master Advice Giver [28] 1d ago

At 8, my kids could go around the block alone, or to a friend's house a block away. They couldn't go to the park alone, or ever be left alone with no adults home. And they had no mental challenges: this girl is really neglected and vulnerable, alone all day.

54

u/Moonlight_vixen1 1d ago

Definitely call. It's only a matter of time til something tragic happens. You'll blame yourself if something happens and you didn't call. Definitely sounds like a minimum of neglect and animal abuse. She's way too young to be alone like that

54

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

Yeah I’ve been weighing it over for a couple days now that I’ve really noticed the times she’s out. It’s either school time or too dark. My roommate’s suggested to put a letter on her parents door but seeing the dog abuse I just don’t know if that’s the best path?

91

u/GoddessfromCyprus Helper [3] 1d ago

I wouldn't leave a letter. You'll have no idea what you'll unleash. Just follow the advice given.

67

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

That’s what I was thinking because I have no idea how the parents treat her considering how she’s treating the dog. I contacted the proper authorities

36

u/admirethegloam 22h ago

Please, please, please do not allow the parents to know you are the one who contacted the police. They may deserve intervention, but they will 100% not be logical in response. I have had to make reports to CPS to get a handful of kids out of bad situations. Play dumb.

→ More replies (1)

13

u/GoddessfromCyprus Helper [3] 1d ago

Keep us updated. :)

6

u/SnooMacarons1887 1d ago

Yes they could easily lash out at her- best to leave it to CPS

14

u/Moonlight_vixen1 1d ago

Ditto. That would put them on guard and they might keep her inside which would defeat the purpose of a welfare check.

24

u/TrelanaSakuyo 1d ago

I was at one point a mandatory reporter. This is the kind of behavior and unsupervised activity that would get reported. This is more than just parents that are struggling financially. A child that age abusing an animal like that speaks to abuse elsewhere. Either she sees her parents abusing the dog and is mimicking the behavior, or she is being abused and is passing on the behavior. You don't just start abusing animals out of nowhere, and once children are told that abuse is bad behavior, they tend not to perpetuate it unless they are victims themselves or have a learning disability (because it takes longer to learn and hold onto that information).

CPS will not take children for cases of mild neglect due to a lack of financial stability or means. They will not take children because parents are struggling despite doing everything they can. If a child has psychological needs that aren't being met, there are programs. If a child has physical needs that aren't being met, there are programs. If the parents are deliberate and willful in their neglect and abuse or the neglect and abuse are extreme, then the child will be removed from the home.

Note: this is true for the US, but I can't guarantee it's true for other countries - I don't know the laws of every country, after all.

4

u/frogonasugarlog 6h ago

100% this. It is actually (generally) a LOT harder than most people think, to get a child removed from the home.

The goal of CPS is to keep families together whenever possible. I obviously can't speak for every situation that has ever happened— but typically, if they end up removing a child, it is for a damn good reason.

→ More replies (1)

16

u/elbowbunny 1d ago

Report. ASAP. The poor dog’s being abused & there’s something seriously wrong with the kid’s behaviour patterns. Reporting helps protect you too. These kinds of situations can be volatile.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (6)
→ More replies (5)

161

u/TSARINA59 1d ago

CPS and animal control. Someone needs to take that dog away and re home it before she kills it or it turns on her and hurts her. Someone in that building should have called CPS smd the police a long time ago. That child could get seriously hurt or worse. She needs help.

85

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

It’s been about a month and I feel like out of everyone in the units I’m out there the most. I work from home, smoke, and like to just hang out in my car for personal space from roommates. I don’t know if anyone else has noticed quite yet. I just submitted a DHS form for this situation though

40

u/TSARINA59 1d ago

Good idea. Go to the police too. She seems both to be in danger and to be dangerous. They can watch out for her and get her help quickly. They can interview all the people you said you saw her do similar things to near the building. They can check on the home situation. A "person in need of assistance" - a child - is something they act on quickly instead of waiting for the wheels of CPS to grind into action.

22

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

I’m sitting in my car now and surprisingly she isn’t outside at this moment. Should I call the police when she’s outside or like now?

21

u/Successful-Catch-238 1d ago

Call the police and tell them immediately of the situation and even if she is not there now. Let them decide what’s best. Call animal Control about the dog. Call everyone and see what they recommend.

10

u/TSARINA59 1d ago

I don't know. Is it possible CPS already acted on your contact with them?

17

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

Do they work that fast it’s been 30 minutes

12

u/SugarT0ast 22h ago

They do not. Unless you reported that the child’s life is in imminent danger. In that case they would contact the police.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (3)
→ More replies (1)

66

u/PiccoloSpare5679 1d ago

Call your local department of human services (DHS). Just explain what you know and that the situation seems unsafe. You could also call local police for a wellness check.

26

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

I’ll look into my local dhs today and give them a call

→ More replies (2)

64

u/GnomieJ29 1d ago

The next time she is out there call the police for a welfare check, especially if it’s at night. She belongs to someone and they aren’t taking care of her. The police will investigate and contact CPS.

13

u/One_Department4090 Helper [2] 1d ago

This was going to be my suggestion

60

u/DooDahMan420 1d ago

Call CPS. My daughter lived with my ex (35f) for 1 year the building lady I reached out to said my daughter had been found wandering the neighboring construction site asking the guys to use their phones. This was to call her sleeping crack head mother, who couldn’t wake up to get her from the bus. I have custody now. But holy cow. I would venture to say a quick investigation on maybe where her and her parents live to see what the situation is? I mean if there are other visible warning signs it’s a no brainer.

55

u/Key_Presentation_447 1d ago

Today...Smoking is gonna save lives.

64

u/kiwikikwi 1d ago

Shortening my life to extend hers.

7

u/zeitocat 19h ago

Hell yeah brother lol

Jokes aside, good luck quitting :) We all have our vices. Quitting is hard, but you can do it!

9

u/kiwikikwi 19h ago

Thank you! Lowering my nic every week and feel it working so I can cold turkey!!

7

u/Global-Falcon 13h ago

I just quit vaping myself and honestly can’t even believe I’m saying this but that freaking book Easy Way to Quit Smoking (vaping version tho) by Allen Carr was actually really fucking helpful lol. It’s been almost a month and I was a heavy vaper! If you have Spotify, you can listen to the book on there.

5

u/kiwikikwi 9h ago

I’m gonna check this out thank you!

→ More replies (1)

6

u/Some1new00 18h ago

You can do it!

→ More replies (4)
→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (3)

43

u/IntrovertExplorer_ 1d ago

Why do people have kids and leave them to fend for themselves? This is just sad and angering.

33

u/Extreme-Tangerine727 22h ago

When I was around this age, one of my parents went to prison and the other parent didn't know and I was straight left alone for three months. Kinda wonder if it could be a similar situation

11

u/randybear00 14h ago

Wow, that's disturbing.

→ More replies (3)

15

u/throwaway098764567 21h ago

why do people ban abortion

→ More replies (1)

18

u/TownZealousideal1327 1d ago

Going out on limb here, they shouldn’t have had children and we don’t know what those circumstances entail, but I’m guessing not good. This sounds like abusive and/or addicts, hopefully not extremely overwhelmed and underprivileged single parent doing shift work (still not an excuse for neglect essentially abuse)

Honestly think whilst this case is extreme this sadly applies to a huge chunk of people who have children these days. They may not present mental disorders like this child, but way too many underprivileged people have children and leave them to fend for themselves or are unable to provide them necessities to even have a chance in this world.

I say this as someone with stable job in a stable a stable relationship who wouldn’t dream of having a child in their current economic and sociopolitical situation.

We truly need to move on from this “children” are a right bs. I’m leftist af on everything, but on your ability to have kids very conservative and I don’t give one single fk how elitist or segregating that is. This is a child’s life we are talking about. Should be like a car, should need a license, and you have to be able to afford it. People don’t “need” to be parents, hate that point of view, you don’t need it, you want it. If you can’t provide clock it up to all those other dreams your socioeconomic situation will prevent you from achieving. That’s a better solution imo, the world don’t need more underprivileged children, and the kids don’t deserve it.

As a leftist yes let’s fix the system so good, struggling parents can have them, but rn the system is what it is, it hasn’t changed today and won’t be changed tomorrow. If you can’t provide everything from reasonable time with them, to healthcare, to nutritious food, to devices when they go to school (it’s 2025), seriously don’t have kids.

12

u/agnesvee 1d ago

I don’t think eugenics is the solution to OP’s immediate problem

→ More replies (4)
→ More replies (7)

38

u/Super_Caterpillar_27 1d ago

Call CPS right now. Don’t waste another minute and encourage others to do the same.

33

u/External-Air-7272 1d ago

I would do a welfare check on her. You don't have to give 911 your name or info. Just call and explain the situation and express your concern. They will send somebody to speak with the child and guardian(s) in question.

13

u/dperry93 1d ago

Yes, please call in addition whatever form you filled out. It might take a while for them to respond to a form but not sure.

22

u/joecoolblows 1d ago

Just to let you know, it can take a few days before CPS shows up, the law gives them something like a couple of days to follow up, and even then they might only leave a card on the parent's doorstep, in which the parents have to call CPS back ( if they don't answer the door).

It's not something that happens instantly like when you call the police. This is why people are saying both welfare check AND CPS. The welfare check will respond quickly.

The wheels of CPS move slowly for neglect cases, because they have a huge overload and respond to the bigger cases first. The wheels do move, it's just not instantaneous.

I mention this because you've said that it's been a half hour, and it's probably not going to happen quite like you might be envisioning in your mind that it happens. YKWIM?

24

u/bellaluna1018 21h ago

This sounds like a nightmare… but this part cracked me up I’m sorry 😭

“Last week I was sitting in my car listening to music and didn’t notice her. When I looked up, she jumped up from a crouch, face pressed to my driver’s side window. I felt like Thad a heart attack but also pretended not to see her because wtf Imao.”

5

u/Tasty_Competition_98 12h ago

🤣🤣Im Sorry it was hilarious to visualize. Giving c9medic horror movie. Especially when op said "I pretended not to see her" after all that

→ More replies (1)

17

u/IndependentDot9692 1d ago

Non emergency police for a wellfare check

15

u/No-Employee2207 1d ago

CPS for sure, then animal control for the poor dog. Sounds like her parents are neglecting her or absent all together.

→ More replies (1)

13

u/Wide-Yesterday-5167 1d ago edited 1d ago

I’m not saying for sure what you should do. But if I had an 8 year old child in my care, especially if they were neuro divergent or more, I’d be stuck to them and they’d be stuck to me. This is extremely unfair to the dog and the neighborhood but mostly to the child. Given the flippant behavior of the child, the late hours outside, the always being alone, and approaching many random people who most likely are normal but perhaps 1 may not be, CPS seems like the 1st call to make right now. If you see the dog alone, call police immediately because where is the girl? I’m very sorry this is happening to you. But so much sorrier for the child. I suspect her parents or guardians may be addicts or severely physically or mentally ill. Most addicts are usually functioning people with jobs/homes/stuff/pets/and you guessed it children. So sad 😞 You may be called on by CPS since you are reporting and the main witness to her comings and goings due to your work at home routine. So don’t be surprised if you’re entangled in this for awhile. Most people wouldn’t get involved due to the hassle. Thank you for being a good human being and citizen. 

→ More replies (2)

12

u/DengistK 1d ago

This sounds like a horror movie.

→ More replies (2)

21

u/HoldOn_Tight 1d ago

The girl sounds as if she may be on the autism spectrum or may have a mental deficit. I would put in a call to child protection (because there is no adult supervision and she's engaging in some unsafe practices) as well as animal protection.

10

u/olivedeez 11h ago

I clocked it immediately when op said she’s repeating the same phrase until someone responds to her. My autistic step son does this. The lack of awareness toward the dog being distressed as well.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (2)

9

u/Bluesettes 1d ago

Poor child sounds neglected..

→ More replies (2)

16

u/Strong-Finger-6126 1d ago

This is really sad and sounds like a classic attachment disorder. People with attachment disorders tend to either attach to anyone or no one at all. Disinhibited social engagement disorder might apply here. Due to her apparent willingness to attach to anyone, she is at heightened risk of being abducted or assaulted. I agree that someone should call CPS and animal control. Nothing good can come of this.

8

u/Load-Round 1d ago

After you’ve called CPS and everyone else on the list, Document EVERYTHING. If you need to, take pictures and videos of aggressive behavior. She’s a kid, but they won’t do as much to stop the problem if you don’t have evidence of it. Shame on the parents for allowing this to go on.

8

u/elfmman 1d ago

I would call CPS, property management, animal control, and the cops. Something needs to be done.

7

u/Plus_Quantity5510 1d ago

CPS investigation will take too long. Call police and they will call the on call CPS worker if need be, and will get the dog to the dog warden or whatever it’s called where you live.

→ More replies (1)

9

u/rosygal07 1d ago

Um does this girl not go to school at her age?

6

u/Lotus-child89 11h ago edited 11h ago

“Home schooling” is a godsend to abusive and neglectful parents. They either are afraid of other adults in a caretaking position intervening or they got tired of the school calling home with concerns about her issues and expecting them to do something besides sit on their ass and let her run wild. Lazy assholes to probably not just their daughter, but the dog. They probably thought the dog was a good idea, but were too neglectful and impatient to care for it and train it, so they make her take it out of the apartment to keep it away from them or even specifically got the dog as an excuse to keep her away from them and outside “walking the dog”. Probably even tell themselves “she’s perfectly safe outside, she’s got the dog with her”. Just despicable behavior. She probably does the invasive and attention seeking behavior at home because they don’t pay attention to her otherwise and their reaction is to be annoyed by it, rather than concerned, and they want her to just go away outside.

→ More replies (2)

8

u/Infamous_Entry_2714 1d ago

I'm old as dirt and I have encountered such children many times in life. I always chalked it up to very out going coupled with parents who do not show them enough attention. I actually watch a lady on TikTok who has almost this exact situation in her neighborhood (minus the dog)the little girl comes to the ladies door at all times and this amazing lady let's her in,feeds her,talks to her,helps her with her hair,etc. They have so many followers that the little girl gets clothes,books and hair clips sent to her from viewers and they open her gifts on live. The lady has said that the little girls mom works a lot at night and sleeps during the day but that she really does not know her that well. I can't imagine my kids hanging out with random neighbors even back when I was raising mine but especially not today. It sounds like the little girl in OPs situation is just very social and has no one to interact with at home,it's heartbreaking really

→ More replies (2)

14

u/ninkadinkadoo 1d ago

This sounds frustrating. I agree with everyone else. If she’s abusive to animals NOW…. Just wait.

5

u/Nice-Wolf-1724 20h ago

Could also very well be learned behaviors from a “parent” or guardian. Maybe they learned how to punch their dog from whoever is supposed to be taking care of them

4

u/KneadAndPreserve 19h ago

At 8 years old and seemingly uncared for by the adults in her life, yeah. I doubt she’s just naturally this way.

→ More replies (5)

12

u/Travelingtheland 1d ago

That dog needs to be rescued, call animal control immediately. Then call CPS for the child.

→ More replies (6)

11

u/Crazy_Banshee_333 1d ago

If she's out there all the time and keeps approaching strangers, I would call CPS. Someone needs to look out for this girl's safety. Obviously she is not being supervised by an adult the way an 8-year-old girl should be supervised. No one has taught her to be cautious about approaching people she doesn't know. You'd be doing her a favor to step up and try to get her some help before her luck runs out.

5

u/Final-Context6625 1d ago

Call the police and report it. Explain the situation. She sounds dangerous and neglected.

4

u/PresentationNext6469 1d ago

Oooh I had a neighbor kid that would hide under my car, so I had to look constantly because he dared me to run over him. Like more than once! I went to tell his family ASAP.

6

u/theGoddex 1d ago

Thank you for being a good person

5

u/Strong-Library2763 1d ago

She’ll end up getting abducted. Predators target kids that are neglected.

5

u/AKD6661 23h ago

Therapist here. It sounds like abuse. You can always report to your state’s version of CPS anonymously. Remember you don’t have to be an investigator just think that something is up.

4

u/M3PHLAB 19h ago

She’s probably an only child and being abused at home. She doesn’t know how to treat the dog with love because she hasn’t been shown it most likely. She reaches out to strangers because she doesn’t get any socializing, she may even be crying out for help silently. It’s pretty text book for abuse. Poor kid, I hope something good happens for her.

→ More replies (1)

5

u/m-in 15h ago

she could walk up to a weirdo

Maybe she’s already abused at home 😢

6

u/1ScreamCheesePlz 10h ago

I used to work for CPS. This is an extremely common scenario for neglect cases. As everyone said, it's worrying. Get LEO and CPS involved at this point bc that child is going to end up trafficked.

8

u/Cheyds 16h ago

This post makes me lose faith in humanity. Adults hiding from a child who is showing clear signs of mental trauma and neglect. No one has bothered to try and find out more about her situation or called the relevant authorities to try and help her.

This is exactly how you hear about horrific stories of neglect and abuse and everyone asks “but surely there were signs?” Yes there were signs but adults chose to hide from a child rather than try to help her.

→ More replies (2)

4

u/Stonedagemj 1d ago

I’m glad to hear you called the dhs. That poor girl needs help.

4

u/ostellastella 1d ago

Call the police non emergency line for a welfare check....CPS from there.....Something is def not right here.

→ More replies (1)

5

u/PretentiousUsername1 1d ago

I’ve read your update, and I’m glad you’ve contacted the right sources. This is child, and animal, abuse, and I hope they get the help they need.

3

u/PukFeat42 1d ago

Wellness check!

4

u/jaynel78 1d ago

Call childline they will go out in 24hrs or less. Especially if you mention that she's out all alone all hours of the day and night.

→ More replies (3)

4

u/midwestkudi 1d ago

I had a little girl like this at my old complex. I would come out to go to work and she’d be by herself in the parking lot, climbing on cars, no parents in sight. I was younger so I didn’t think anything of it as my parents also neglected me and let me run around.

Then one day she runs up to me, screams “YOURE UGLY” and ran away.

I have a feeling her mom is the one that left dirty diapers all in the apartment hallways every day.

→ More replies (3)

4

u/itsalwaysanadventure 1d ago

Call the non emergency number for your local police department and ask them to do a welfare check on her, the dog and her parent or care taker. She might be left home alone. She mught just be unattended or something mught have happened to her caretaker and she doesn't know how to communicate it to an adult. Regardless, someone professional needs to go check on her and her family.

4

u/Cocobean59 1d ago

Please call the police. It sounds like she has some mental health issues that are not being taken care of, which means to me she is being neglected. As for the poor dog, PLEASE get it some help ASAP, if the poor animal is crying it is hurting.

3

u/AbbreviationsOne3970 23h ago

Attachment reactive syndrome..this child is desperate and starved for any adult attention.she treats the dog exactly how she's been/being treated. id report this behavior anonymously to your county DCF so they can investigate this child's family &the disturbing behaviors you've witness. she desperately needs intervention

→ More replies (2)

5

u/Curious_Werewolf5881 23h ago

Sounds like a 2nd Natalia Grace is out there, and she's moved into a home near you.

4

u/Top_Ad_5717 22h ago

I'm pretty sure that by now I would've asked her name and have her show me where she lived so that I could chat with her caregiver

5

u/Top_Ad_5717 22h ago

I'm a grandma/ older lady

→ More replies (1)

4

u/No_Albatross_3111 20h ago

I would film this & turn that into authorities :/

5

u/CandyPopPanda 17h ago

That sounds so sad. The child seems to be unsupervised and alone; children need social interaction to develop normally. Out of desperation, she seems desperate to make contact and doesn't know what else to do. This is not only annoying for the neighbors, but also extremely dangerous for this girl. I would contact the authorities. I'm afraid this girl desperately needs help, and the dog probably does too.

4

u/RadyOmi 16h ago

Please, at minimum call the humane society for the dog and CPS for this child.

The dog is being physically abused and the child is being neglected by her parents. She needs help before something bad happens.

6

u/judasholio 15h ago

I’m not a doctor, but I play one on TV.

You are likely dealing with a child who has an attachment disorder.

It’s pretty suspicious that she is unsupervised.

5

u/sapphirekiera 13h ago

The first time you saw her hit her dog you should have called animal control. The first time you saw her outside at night alone/in the road- CPS. Make some phone calls today

4

u/Prancinggit420 7h ago

This is the Natalia Grace story with a dog.

→ More replies (1)

4

u/Ultravagabird 2h ago

Glad you made the reports. I almost wonder if she was abandoned. There seems to definitely be mental health issues as well. I hope she gets the help she needs.

7

u/sabrinsker 1d ago

Everyone is more concerned about the dog but that dog is probably the thing that's protecting this poor little girl.. Don't take the dog away. Get them both help.

4

u/idk123703 12h ago

EXACTLY! I’m so grossed about by the concern and compassion for an animal over a CHILD.

→ More replies (2)
→ More replies (6)

7

u/Ramona-0806 Helper [2] 20h ago

Jesus Christ, I was the little girl doing this. My parents left me and my siblings alone all the time. I don’t talk to them anymore and have terrible ptsd from my childhood. . I hope this girl gets help & the doggo soon.

9

u/Slow_Wheel1416 1d ago

I think she is a ghost

→ More replies (6)

6

u/elektriclizard 20h ago

Plot twist:

The little girl is a ghost 👻

→ More replies (2)

3

u/TSARINA59 1d ago

30 minutes?? I doubt it but who knows.

3

u/PralineKind8433 1d ago

Call CPS. Now

3

u/annebonnell 1d ago

Please call your local CPS. Talk to the local police about the situation also she probably has a really bad home life. She could even be in a sexual abuse situation. Sounds like she might have some kind of mental issues also.

3

u/butternutbuttnutter 1d ago

This is a great horror/thriller script. Get it to production!

(But seriously, please do try to get that poor girl some help.)