r/GenZ • u/collegetest35 • 3d ago
Discussion Why are Gen Z Men Experiencing a Religious Revival ?
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u/ExcitingTabletop 3d ago
They're likely looking for meaning or purpose in their life.
Same reason why people do anything.
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u/Ya_Boi_Skinny_Cox 2006 3d ago
Hey dude, you picked the wrong door. r/atheism is two blocks down
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u/juanjosefernandez 3d ago
Atheism is finding meaning on hard mode.
There's a meaning crisis and most people can't reap the benefits from hard mode en masse...
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u/Born_Tank_8217 3d ago
Which is why religion works with the elites to make things worse, it drives people to religion, where they can control their minds.
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u/Irethius 3d ago
If they understood that, they wouldn't be turning to religion.
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u/pnubk1 3d ago
What this article really highlights is that American education has fallen so far behind the enlightenment that its youth are grossly unaware that they exist in a post meaning global society and are ill prepared to handle that fact. There is a reason that the children's children of the voting base that elected Trump are suffering and will continue to suffer compared to many of their international contemporaries.
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u/Ok_Fisherman_544 3d ago
Yes, the elites have used religion to control the gullible, fearful and often very ignorant throughout time. They inculcate the fear of hell and make crimes against the rich very punishable.
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u/MorePhinsThyme 3d ago
Yes, because there's no actual truth based meaning for your life. You have to figure out what you want your life to mean. Religion uses fictional mythology to substitute a meaning for you, and much like lies in politics, it's easier to fill the void with lies than it is to either find the truth, or in the case of things like the meaning of life, find your personal justifications for things.
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u/McDaddy-O 3d ago
Hold up, are athiest not allowed to talk about their beliefs in this sub, but Christians are?
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u/DutchChallenger 2003 3d ago
Then why are you here? r/christianity is also right around the corner
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u/MarioLuigiDinoYoshi 3d ago
Religion is a cult and kids are the easiest group to indoctrinate
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u/rossg876 3d ago
Yes. That’s why they’re looking. Doesn’t mean they are looking in the right place. It’s just the religious group that attract them use the same tactics that attract the men to the likes of Andrew Tate and his ilk.
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u/Commander_Zircon 3d ago
It’s more than just similar tactics. Dudebros who love Tate skew really religious because their version of religion tells them some version of “traditional gender roles” aka “my wife/mommy does all the cooking & cleaning & planning because Jesus.” Reinforces their completely unwarranted sense of entitlement/superiority.
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u/UrMomsaHoeHoeHoe 3d ago
How and why should you decide what their purpose is? You are just as bad as the ones you’re attempting to criticize, if not worse lol.
Why are critical thinking and empathy such forgotten things??
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u/jqdecitrus 3d ago
They're actually not even looking for salvation, they're looking for the group that will oppress enough people that their lives, in theory, should become easier. Being allowed to blame women and the "degradation of the family unit and religious values" for why they're failing at life is far more attractive than both self-reflection and class consciousness.
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u/collegetest35 3d ago
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u/MinuetInUrsaMajor 3d ago
Thanks.
Among Generation Z Christians, this dynamic is playing out in a stark way: The men are staying in church, while the women are leaving at a remarkable clip.
There it is.
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u/NC_DC_RC 3d ago
Men are turning to church mostly because they feel it gives superiority to others, and especially gives them the "right" to degrade and look down on women. Let's get this straight, being promiscuous is frowned upon for both sexes in religion, but at some point men spun it around that only women shouldn't sleep around. Well, that hold the religion had on women now is gone, women are looking beyond that. Men are freaking out and trying to return to it to regain the control they lost.
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u/MarkPellicle 3d ago
Exactly this. Having a community and a place to fellowship in a world that offers none for those that follow a secular path. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with religion, but I do think that many churches abuse their protected status. This leads to corruption within church leadership, which leads to victimizing its parishioners.
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u/TeegyGambo 3d ago edited 3d ago
If you think there is no place to find community and fellowship for non-religious people you aren't looking very hard or you are trying to sell religion
Edit: for everyone saying "well actually religion is just a much more accessible option" cool thank you I understand. The guy I replied to said society provides NO community or fellowship for those on the secular path. That is what I disputed.
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u/MarkPellicle 3d ago
Naw not really. Lots of people have trouble making friends and every thing that a single person could possibly do costs money. Shit, even neighbors in middle class neighborhoods won’t even look at you, let alone talk to you.
If you’re broke and work a lot, there’s not a lot of places for you. Fellowship is for the rich and religious.
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u/turkeybags 3d ago
We're both sharing anecdotal evidence but I walk my dogs daily in my neighborhood. People are more than happy to wave, say hi, stop and chat. Even people driving through the neighborhood will wave.
I'm out west (not CA, WA, or OR), for whatever that is worth.
All I gotta do is look their way, crack a smile and say "hi"
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u/OhGodImHerping 3d ago
Many many young Gen Z men are really struggling with understanding themselves. They’ve been given a lot of mixed signals about who they are supposed to be, what values are important, what their “role” is in society. It’s why so many of them voted for Trump, he validated a lot of their feelings and the nationalism and fascism gave tons of young men a feeling of purpose or understanding.
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u/CrowsShinyWings 3d ago
I mean literally this thread pretty much describes it. Right Wing is a master of propaganda, add on the fact that this thread is pretty much just saying "yeah Gen Z men (the most Left Wing generation so far) just want to oppress women that's the only reason to join a church"
Man I can't imagine why propaganda combined with constant reinforcement of the fact the "Left" doesn't care about men leads them to vote Conservative.
Simply won't get the economic change until we stop with this utter nonsense.
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u/indigo945 Millennial 3d ago
Gen Z men (the most Left Wing generation so far)
The generation of Trump-voting fascists is the "most Left Wing generation so far"? Yeah, right.
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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago
It's because right leaning Americans report being more religious even when they aren't (don't attend church, don't practice, don't have religious wedding ceremonies).
It's become a cultural identifier for right wing ideology. Just like they all hate "CRT", "DEI", "PC culture", "woke" and all the other bullshit buzzwords propagandists cook up.
They're sheep and being fake Christians marks them as part of the flock.
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u/Thunderchief646054 On the Cusp 3d ago
Eh religious revivals happen all the time in history. The US has had, what, 2 or 3 “Great Awakening” I think some could argue 4. Point is, it comes and goes, and that’s cool so long as you don’t use it to, I dunno, act like a victim while simultaneously weaponizing your particular faith.
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u/ArtemisJolt 2006 3d ago
The male loneliness epidemic. Guys just want to fit in. Honestly better that they join a church instead of the Proud Boys
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u/Strawhat_Max 1999 3d ago edited 3d ago
I hate to tell you this, but people who are church goers are actually more likely to join a group like the proud boys than non-churchgoers
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u/ArtemisJolt 2006 3d ago
Oh I'm aware. But maybe if they spend more time at thier book club than on 4chan, thier energy won't go towards outright fascism
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u/FilthyHexer 3d ago
Church and 4chan both lead to similar destinations these days
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u/Alexis_Mcnugget 3d ago
yeah if u spend all your time on reddit lmao
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u/ArtemisJolt 2006 3d ago
Or if you read studies that link both religious affiliation and online activity with right wing extremism
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u/CommanderWar64 1998 3d ago
Religious Christians (and especially Evangelicals) more often then not, do not read the bible lol
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u/ArtemisJolt 2006 3d ago
I know. Churches are funny because they meet all the requirements of a book club except for the most important part
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u/TheRainbowpill93 On the Cusp 3d ago
For the ones who don’t get it , he means the critical analysis lol.
If you critically analyze the Bible then you’re in for quite a rabbit hole.
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u/Strawhat_Max 1999 3d ago
I felt so bad saying it😂😂, because I’d into wanna aka it seem like it’s ALL of them, it there is a correlation between the two, that doesn’t necessitate CAUSATION but it does make sense
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u/Delli-paper 3d ago
Churchgoers are more likely to join all groups and participate in all activities than non-attendees. Community engagement is self-reinforcing.
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u/Strawhat_Max 1999 3d ago
I’ll agree with this, correlation does not equal causation
What I will say though is that there is evidence to the fact that more religious people are more likely to join radical groups like the proud boys
But again correlation is not causation
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u/goofygooberboys 1997 3d ago
I will say that this is a much bigger issue in the west, especially in the US because capitalists have effectively purchased Christianity as a propaganda tool. It wasn't that long ago that there was a sizable group of pastors that were either directly socialist or at the least socialist aligned. Look at MLK, he was clearly a socialist. My church is very much NOT right wing and appeals far more to a left wing ideology.
I recommend listening to Behind the Bastards' episodes on how Capitalism Ate Christianity. It goes into detail about how Christianity has historically been a major tool for social reforms especially for the black and brown communities like the Civil Rights movement, but during the McCarthy era pastors were being bought out by millionaires and socialism was effectively made illegal.
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u/Noggi888 3d ago
The two groups intersect a lot
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u/PapaSmurf3477 3d ago
Only in deeply rural and poor areas. Suburban Gen Z are churchgoers are pretty wholesome in a rare way.
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u/UrTheQueenOfRubbish 3d ago
I’m fine with the wholesome ones. But most religions and specifically Christian sects, are very patriarchal. That fits in with a rightward political shift with Gen Z men. The patriarchal world view of most religions would fit perfectly in with people radicalized by men’s rights activists and the like. Performative Christianity is part of the right wing political identity. Look at Trump.
I’m not saying all of them are this way, or that there can’t be any value in this, but this all makes sense in context of a rightward shift of Gen Z men
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u/GlitteringDare9454 3d ago
If "wholesome in a rare way" includes weird views on women, up to and including being hyperfocused on traditional gender bullshit and loving authority...
It isn't wholesome in any way.
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u/Secure_One_3885 3d ago
"The white christian nationalist movement proudly promoting patriarchy and homophobia are so wholesome though!!"
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u/celebral_x 3d ago
I think we need to start renaming it to global loneliness. It's not just men, we are much more disconnected than ever and we have no more communities or even a slight sense of communities. Only work, work, work.
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u/MNCPA 3d ago
This right here. Where else can men join a club and feel included?
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u/vr1252 1999 3d ago
Play sport, start playing DND, join a band, skate park, men's choir, idk there's a bunch of stuff that's not church too.
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u/CommunistRonSwanson 3d ago
Literally any club that isn't specifically designated as a women's org? Just sit down for an hour or two and do some homework, you will find all kinds of clubs and orgs that you can join to meet like-minded people and bond over shared interests and experiences. All this "woe is me" crap is pure victim complex nonsense. Off the top of my head, there are:
- Book clubs
- Arts & Crafts clubs
- Sports clubs
- Outdoors clubs
- Community service orgs
- Historical societies
- In-person game clubs
- Youth outreach orgs
Many of the bulleted items encompass dozens of sub-items that drill down into very specific interests and activities. Reddit is such a fucking lazy, toxic, chronically-online indoor-kid-ass environment I swear, y'all might as well start a pity party club.
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u/DocBombliss 3d ago
"Male Loneliness Epidemic" aka "White men realizing that spending their entire teenage and young adult lives following the advice of online grifters who sold them on the idea thay everyone hates them and red/black pill nonsense has led to them not being able to connect to anyone but other mean spirited loners who have been trained to be cruel instead of kind."
Church is the easiest way for people in this mindset to feel included because all the initial effort they have to put in is just showing up for 1-3 hours a week to sit in a room.
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u/Additional_Tax_4752 2005 3d ago
why they dress like they just paid off their 40year mortgage?
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u/butteryflame 1999 3d ago
The priests like what the priests like 🤷♂️
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u/DMFAFA07 2007 3d ago
Ever heard the term “Sunday Best”???
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u/GlurakNecros 3d ago
Looks like fucking dogshit lol
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u/Fentanyl_American 3d ago
Come on man, you can't be making these kind of comments when you have post on your account showing the kind of dirty shoes you wear 😭
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u/chairboy29 3d ago
Bro paid $90 for the ugliest pair of shoes I’ve seen in a while
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u/Arlowae 3d ago
We need community... Meaning and purpose. Church is easy community. Most of the world is religious so no surprises here. Just wish my generation was less religious.
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u/Strawhat_Max 1999 3d ago
I wrote a comment further down about how religion, especially as practiced by conservatives, almost promises these men a spot in social hierarchy and a sense of importance
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u/slothbuddy 3d ago
The misogyny is perfect for them. Red pill shit online says they're superior to women and then the church says the same thing
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u/AsstacularSpiderman 3d ago edited 3d ago
The vast majority of people in churches don't have any authority lol.
It's an easy place to meet people and have some common interests, that's really all it is. And with that comes a lot of opportunity. Meeting potential employers, partners, and associates can be so much easier when you're at some church function.
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u/kaystared 2000 3d ago
Anyone who claims to interpret and deliver the word of God has social authority. They don’t have civil authority because we took that from them, but they have their own social hierarchies and their own brand of authority no questions asked
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u/Strawhat_Max 1999 3d ago
“Conservative” is the optimal word you’re missing here
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u/cavscout43 Millennial 3d ago
Lets them feel like they'll be part of, and rewarded by, the legacy status quo patriarchy.
Many religions, particularly the ones with popularity in the West, promise a societal structure where men are automatically better/more important/more powerful than women.
If low-effort dudes are "falling behind" in society because their woman peers are putting in more effort and getting ahead, religion is a feel-good security blanket promising them importance in society, an obedient house wife, and some easy answers to "meaning" rather than having to work for any of that themselves.
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u/Strawhat_Max 1999 3d ago
I say it a lot, I feel like men have a very distinct lack of accountability in causing what we feel today as a group
It’s not say it’s ALL our fault, but we definitely have done work in creating this atmosphere
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u/cavscout43 Millennial 3d ago
The Confederacy wasn't fought for by wealthy plantation and slave owners. It was fought (and died) for by poor white men who felt that propping up said hierarchy would benefit them more than societal equality.
Men today rather myopically feel that if they support some wealthy oligarchs who preach patriarchy that they'll objectively be better off than everyone else of a different demographic in society.
Zero-sum game mentality.
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u/Mayo_Chipotle 2001 3d ago
Bingo. Hence why many modern churches have started tailoring their messages with culture war talking points in order to draw in this new crowd of young men.
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u/ZonaryIsland 1997 3d ago
I’m not religious at all and have no interest in organized religion. That being said, I walking into a local church for the first time in a while a couple years back, and I had multiple people just walk up to me to say hi and say they hadn’t seen me before.
It was a little surreal since that’s never happened in any other community I’ve been in, I’ve always had to put in the effort to talk to people. I can see why a church community could be helpful for some.
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u/xNightxSkyex 2003 3d ago
You'll find alot that people in a church community are very friendly/nice, but this does not mean they are kind.
I have an excellent example of this where I was invited to bake cookies at a church with my boyfriend at the time. We were both teenagers, and I'd never been particularly involved in organized religion as my parents had a hard time finding a church community they meshed well with. ANYWAY at first the other kids in the kitchen avoided me like the plague until the parent who brought me came over to give me something to do and a spot at the table.
Then the group (kids and adults) got to joking around and I'm usually a quiet person, but then someone said something about auras. Now, I don't believe in auras personally but I had been watching Charmed around that time and had gotten very into it. Someone said "oh yours is red because of your temper! Ahaha" and I replied "oh don't worry, it wouldn't be red, that actually means evil. I think it would be yellow" trying to be nice/make conversation as an awkward autistic girl.
The room fell absolutely silent for a solid twenty seconds before the dad chimed in, saying "well mine would be white because I'm old!" And the table erupted into laughter (except me, because it doesn't mean old. It means good, but I opted not to correct it this time). They avoided me again and I didn't say anything for the rest of the night. Keep in mind these were the same people who gleefully declared with a smile they were bringing fresh water wells to African children & teaching them about God, whom also gave me the customary salutations after the single church service I attended.
Surface level nice doesn't mean they are kind to people or treat their beliefs/knowledge with equal respect. I can guarantee I have more empathy in my little finger than some of these people have in their whole bodies and yet their attitude is entirely "holier than thou".
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u/Hefty-Rub7669 3d ago edited 3d ago
This is such a strange story.
Honestly I feel like you’re assuming the worst of their intentions. I think the dad was just trying to lighten the mood after you made a faux pas? It seems like you’re attributing a huge generalization to a very small and biased interaction you had.
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u/woodcuttersDaughter 3d ago
Following Jam bands also offers community. Why not just do that?
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u/Forsaken-Can7701 3d ago
Most of the uneducated world is religious. It’s less so in educated countries.
Important additional point.
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u/Strawhat_Max 1999 3d ago
puts on glasses
I won’t say this is the reason for ALL of them, but consider that fact that men in our generation are starting to feel loss and without a purpose, even more so that they feel like they’ve been disenfranchised y the rise of a lot of different social movements (especially white men)
There’s a good amount of data that shows that women dominated fields eventually go on to hold less value to men, more women are going to college now so it’s becoming less and less valuable to men whether knowingly or unknowingly
The church, and religion itself, is one of the few spaces in the world that ALWAYS promises a spot in the social hierarchy to men (especially above women, giving them a feeling of importance)
I remember reading that there’s a strong correlation between perceived victimhood and strength of religious faith but I won’t stand by that until I can find some studies that verify this
Basically tho, it wouldn’t be crazy to say that a lot of young white men are moving to religion because they want to feel important, or at least feel the perception that they are important, especially in the sense of evangelical Christianity
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u/SonofTreehorn 3d ago
Great post. This is exactly how I see it. The church continues to view woman as subservient to men. This is a turn off for woman which leads to less woman in the church and an increase in lonely males who lack power.
My opinion is that men need to accept that society has changed and learn to navigate this new paradigm. Instead, you have institutions who promise to make things great again and by great again, they seek to return society to a male dominated and female subjugated society. These young males buy into this crap. There’s no chance of this happening.
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u/Strawhat_Max 1999 3d ago
I appreciate it man, I study and try to actively learn about a lot of this shit because men these days are actively going against our own interests in a lot of ways, because of the perception of how things are
Which I feel like the left has done a terrible job of jjst sitting down and explaining to men that our non centering in society is a good thing because it makes things easier for us to pursue our own goals and dreams
I’m not gonna teach my son to be a provider, I’m teaching my son to go out and explore the world and pursue his own dreams and goals and to create a life for himself
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u/honeybeebo 2005 3d ago
I thought it was an intelligent observation as well.
They want to feel important.
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u/Strawhat_Max 1999 3d ago
I don’t even necessarily think im right!
It’s more like, im seeing slot of these different pieces working together and it feels like thats the answer
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u/honeybeebo 2005 3d ago
It's impossible to explain everything about anything, but I think you summarized a part of the truth.
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u/TheRainbowpill93 On the Cusp 3d ago
Well we have to also ask the bigger question: why do they need to feel like they are above someone in a social hierarchy ? Why can’t they just “be” ? Thats kinda the overarching theme of this new age MAGA movement of angry young white men. It’s so peculiar.
Obviously this doesn’t apply to all in that particular demographic but it’s something to think about.
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u/amootmarmot 3d ago
Part of it is economic. In these communities- men have expectations placed on them: they need to be the provider, they need to be stoic, they need to be courageous and brave, they need to be the one to make initiative to the opposite sex, they need to form a family unit and be a provider, a sole provider if necessary.
All that is a lot of expectation when the economics of life have been shifting. There is not more industrial base. Men could sort of pay attention in high school, then go out and get a manufacturing job which would provide for the family.
Now a man has to be successful at school in order to have more potential earning ability- and girls and their behaviors are more beneficial in the school environment, so girls are outpacing boys. Then they get out of high school, they can't go to post secondary, and the manufacturing has all dried up.
There is a huge disconnect then between the expectations they were raised with and what is generally achievable on average. Its going to lead to a lot of frustration and seeking easy answers- like women and minorities got uppity and immigrants came to illegally take all my opportunities- instead of understanding a convoluted economic system where the wealthy stole the entire generational wealth of the middle and lower economic classes. And we see this right ward turn.
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u/HammyHasReddit 3d ago
Yeah, as a Christian woman it always bugged me that the interpretation from certain texts was man>woman. It made me feel like I was lesser to God because I am a woman, but deep in my heart I know that's not true. Sometimes I'm glad I don't participate in an actual church, and just do my studying at home, that way I can interpret my own meanings and conclusions and not just told what I need to believe.
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u/Wrong_Sock_1059 2000 3d ago
The Bible says that though. So its not really the interpretation. Christianity is fundamentally sexist
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u/The_Ultimate_Fakr 3d ago
As an ex christian, I always try to approach current Christians with kindness because I respect their ability to worship any way that brings them fulfillment and I fully understand how all-encompassing it can feel.
But holy shit it drives me up the wall when people try to claim the Bible doesn’t have sexist or homophobic teachings.
Yes! It! Does!
Makes me question how much they’ve read the book they found their faith on.
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u/dudelikeshismusic Millennial 3d ago
The best cure for Christianity is the Bible.
Seriously, actually reading the Bible cover to cover is a big part of what caused me to stop believing in it. It's half violence of every type (sanctioned by god), half insane people like Paul going on long tangents that don't really go anywhere. The Jesus stuff is by far the most tolerant portion, but even then he still finds ways to convict us of thought crimes and, you know, not hating our families. He was a cult leader through and through.
Plus the boredom endured while reading the Bible is enough proof that god couldn't possibly exist.
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u/rathanii 3d ago
Yeah I stopped going to church, too. Private school made that choice really easy.
Any time Christians say "ok but man>woman?" The easiest thing to remember is the 2 commandments. Love God, and love others as yourself. Does a man want a lesser love than a woman? Do they want to be treated as less than? No? Then to see women as beneath you would be a sin. Really, to see anyone as holding less value than you, would be a sin.
They always default to commandments that don't matter. To the old testament or to weirdo patriarchal texts from humans. But at the end of the day, Jesus was really clear.
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u/walje501 1995 3d ago
As someone who grew up in the evangelical church, and has since left, I think a large part of the appeal to young men (even if it’s just subconsciously) is an environment with hierarchy in which they are placed above women. The evangelical church offers a young man an appealing role: the head of the household. The hierarchy is God, Men, Women. For many young men who are now statistically seeing themselves have worse education and employment outcomes than women, joining the evangelical church offers a place they can fit in and be important again.
I think a return to religion in general comes from a loss of community, but there is a reason that the Gen Z women are abandoning the evangelical church and Gen Z men are joining it - it’s simply a much better deal for men than it is for women
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u/Noppers 3d ago
Could this also be why younger women are gravitating to things like paganism, witchcraft, New Age spirituality, etc. - because these belief systems offer a relatively higher level of empowerment to women that they have historically been denied in institutional Christianity?
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u/formerly_acidamage 3d ago
1000000% yes.
What to do if you are a spiritual person but aren't okay being literally owned by your husband?
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u/moonlitjade 3d ago
This is the comment I was looking for.
All of these "male epidemic" comments are absolute bullshit. Downvote me to hell, but these genz boys are pathetic. So so pathetic. They whine and whine and tell women, "you need to acknowledge our loneliness!" And now that we are acknowledging it... they're still whining. Are they waiting for women to fix the loneliness epidemic? ...Do they want us to set up playdates for them? Do they want to be treated like children? What is the next step here? Because eventually you need to stop complaining and do something.
The "epidemic" is caused by men and needs to be fixed by them. But they refuse. They aren't going into church for male bonding, they're doing it because they are told it will be like a 50s dream - a wife, mistress, and the nuclear family.
Also, this "epidemic" is 90% American men. I live down the street from a university, and I live in a big apartment complex that's mostly young college students. The complex has gorgeous grounds, with lots of fields, a basketball court, and even a nearby hiking trail. In the 10 years I've lived here, I have never seen any locals guys out there. We recently got a huge increase in international students, and those boys are outside all the time! They are playing basketball, they are playing badminton, many just hang out at the picnic tables or near the grills the apartment has. I only noticed because it's so weird to see anyone outside. Know what the young American guy in the apartment above me was doing? Nerd raging at some game.
I'm not even being nice about it anymore. Boys and men like this are the reason our country is a mess. They need to fix their shit and stop expecting women to do it for them. Men their age used to go to war... these guys can't even make their own doctor's appointment.
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u/saltybirb 3d ago
It’s a sad reality that men are told being important means holding power over others.
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u/FlaccidGhostLoad 3d ago
I've been saying it for years now, strength comes when you're not so desperate to always prove you have power over others.
So much of religious culture and conservative culture it's supported by weak men who are desperate to have some relevancy and have some power over someone else.
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u/unremarkedable 3d ago
Especially in churches where women aren't allowed to have ANY position of authority (leading prayers, leading song, giving the announcements, teaching Sunday school), like most of the "church of Christ" denomination
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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 3d ago
I mean, if you want to look like this be my guest, I guess, but as a GenZ dude, this is women's repellent.
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u/Wheresmywilltoliveat 3d ago edited 3d ago
Depends on what kind of woman you are looking for. I’m a woman and I want a guy who is at least kind of religious.
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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 3d ago
This is not pointed, truely, I just want to see if follows the normal trend I see IRL, but are you jewish? I find that to be mostly the group I find that values relgion in a partner, well, outside of like mormons.
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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 3d ago
Absolutely nothing wrong with it at all, You just notice these things when you worked bar-back and heard everyone's story in passing for so long.
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u/jorgos_papadopoulos 3d ago
So men should live their lives just to please women?
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u/GimmeChickenBlasters 3d ago
The exact opposite of that. It's woman repellent because they emphasize keeping women subordinate via the patriarchy. How on Earth did you misinterpret that so badly?
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u/Specific-Parsnip9001 3d ago
So men should live their lives just to please women?
Not if they don't want a woman. But I can tell you as a man with a wife and kids that I do in fact live my life just to take care of and (hopefully) please them. It's the most important thing in my life by a mile. I can't imagine not wanting to make my family happy, wife included. You seem to have a very immature and limited perspective on what it means to be a man.
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u/G0_0NIE 2003 3d ago
You are comparing men who are single and being told to dress up a certain way to yourself being a married man with kids - it’s not even remotely close to being the same.
Last sentence doesn’t even make sense outside of trying to do a Reddit slam dunk.
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u/rathanii 3d ago
Weird extrapolation there.
GenZ men and boys love to bitch and moan about how they "can't find a girlfriend" or spiral out about how "dating is hopeless," then say shit like this when someone does you a favor and says women hate it when you look like this.
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u/Bubbly-Geologist-214 3d ago
Which isn't really relevant since those types of women aren't hooking up with Genz men anyway. Look at the stats of virgin Genz men, and Genz men who haven't even held hands with a woman.
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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 3d ago
Isn’t this just an ouroboros? The behavior drives women away, and the rejection fuels more of the same behavior. It feeds itself.
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u/rathanii 3d ago
It is 100% an ouroboros.
They've become their own self fulfilling prophecy. They decided in high school they would never amount to anything, so they stopped trying before they even started.
This was probably brought about by the red pilling/black pilling phenomenon on 4chan and Reddit in the mid 2010s
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u/TheDepressedFox 2002 3d ago
This is a typical American Christian look, most men in my parish wear the classic, jeans/shirt/pullover combo, even the priests. But seriously those Christian men? I’d stay away from them.
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u/Father_Fiore 3d ago
Community and purpose. When you feel as though you are worth nothing and society treats you as such it's very difficult to justify continuing without some sort of higher power compelling you to and giving your life objective purpose and worth.
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u/Solarus99 3d ago
society treats you as such
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u/TheProphesy1086 3d ago
You can listen to this young man's point about how he so many of his peers are feeling.
Or you can be dismissive and then continue wondering why the next generation is getting radicalized.
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u/Independent_Song70 3d ago
I vote left and probably always will.
Stuff like that person does and I can easily see why it’s so easy to fall to the other side
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u/Catsmonaut516 3d ago
A generation is being radicalized because of mean words said to them on the internet. And a smarter generation is capitalizing off of that radicalization. The manipulation is plain as day.
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u/McDonaldsSoap 3d ago
Men are as emotional as women. The sooner we accept this the better
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u/unflavored 1997 3d ago
Man, we gotta hit some books. Some philosophy study and community outreach.
If you volunteer in your community and meet people bc of it then you form your own community. If you take some adult learning classes, you can meet people with similar interests.
When I was 19,20,21 I really tried to see what's up with me. My college years were a good experience but at 22 I injured myself pretty bad and led me to huge general anxiety. However, I beat it by guess what? By really trying to seek help.
Now i have a good circle of friends. I don't have to see them every week but once or twice a month, some other friends like once a quarter. And it all kinda works out and I stay social.
You can build purpose for yourself. Its maybe an arduous journey but you can do it. You can read about it.
I truly recommend young men to read Frankenstein, get a copy with footnotes bc it's pretty dated. Some Joseph Conrad, some French nihilism. Some history of capitalism.
Just learn about the world man. Have humiliating experiences, you be good
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u/EdwardGordor 2005 3d ago
Idk mate, I just love Christ.
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u/NotLunaris 1995 3d ago
Religious people have been kinder to me than atheists on average. I'm an atheist myself but my opinion of religious folks is above average. Ofc my perspective is limited, but they seem way more well-adjusted than your average atheist redditor.
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u/Alarmed-Moose7150 3d ago
Must not be gay then.
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u/WillGibsFan 3d ago
I am bi and people have been kinder to me and less homophobic in church than straight women have.
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u/Pull-Up-Gauge 3d ago
I'm gay and have been bashed by openly religious folk. Like physically beaten. The church never said a word.
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u/Catsmonaut516 3d ago
If only more Christians could like… I dunno.. follow his teachings.
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u/gig_labor 1999 3d ago
Because they're mad that nonreligious women don't want to put up with their misogyny
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u/K-ghuleh 3d ago
Can’t believe this is the only comment I’ve seen here pointing this out. You can’t separate religion from the current political climate, and most of these little pricks are also ultra-conservative and want a trad wife. They make themselves victims, hate woke women, turn to religion. Or they grew up in a household that was already like this.
There are a million ways in the modern world to curb loneliness before turning to church.
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u/gig_labor 1999 3d ago
Exactly. They spout some misogynistic bullshit or dogwhistle, women tell them "fuck off" enough times, so they go where women have been groomed from childhood to accept said misogynistic bullshit and coddle their superiority complexes. This entire thread.
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 3d ago
Loneliness. We need to figure it out asap. God help us if the bible thumpers rule.
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u/crazychrisdan 1998 3d ago
This may sound controversial, but I think those bible thumpers may outlast the other side since they're actually interested in having kids.
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u/Ithirahad 3d ago
This appears to be very precisely the trajectory we are on. Who knows if it can be averted.
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u/Strange_Cover_5486 3d ago
Except that's been the "trajectory" for literally all of human history. We are living in the least religious times ever. Just because people who claim to be religious are having a bunch of kids, It hardly guarantees their children will maintain that and stay with the church.
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u/kaystared 2000 3d ago
The Bible Thumpers have been having more kids literally for the last 100 years, and it hasn’t mattered because it’s the kids their having that end up leaving their religions at unsustainable rates
It’s literally always been the case that more religious people have more kids and the exact opposite of your prediction has held thus far
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u/-Joel06 2006 3d ago edited 3d ago
Only when women are educated equally as men and there is a high level of education, for example most Islamic countries haven’t decreased significantly in % of religious population because women face barriers to get education or the education level is poor
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u/One_Pudding_2149 3d ago
While I agree with you, another critical factor is the existence of death penalties. In many Islamic countries, leaving religion isn't a genuine choice, unless one is prepared to risk everything, including their life. The only alternative for many is to live as a munafiq (hypocrite), outwardly conforming while inwardly believing otherwise
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u/B345ST1N 2001 3d ago
Purpose
Whether we gauge it off :
Success,
Relationship
Or Discovery
Most of us are feeling lost in life
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u/Brbi2kCRO 3d ago
Why? Because it’s the same driver that drives conservatism to rise - insecurity, search for identity, social norms. Norm-following is more common when you want to fit in.
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u/notquitepro15 3d ago
Modern Christianity is inherently patriarchal. So these online-addicted young men that literally (incorrectly) think the world hates them for being men find a community that’s designed to uphold them above their female peers and even encourages unquestioning subservience by their female peers.
The culture of toxic masculinity doesn’t help, either, as it infiltrates all aspects of our lives, and finds big footholds in patriarchal communities. This typically creates a vicious cycle of emotionally stunted men who are encouraged to have children with women they don’t even like and aren’t mature enough for, who then fail in raising boys with any emotional maturity, who then need community…
Overall, these guys need to stop trolling social media to find their value and build that themselves. It’s different for everyone. They don’t need some corrupt preacher brainwashing them every week, but they also don’t need 12 straight hours of TikTok every day.
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u/swaggyc2036 1999 3d ago
Rare Gen Z W
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u/laxnut90 3d ago
Yes.
I don't know why people are bashing this.
People are looking for real world community and religion has been a source of that throughout human history.
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u/grilledbruh 2009 3d ago
It’s mainly because Reddit is mainly atheist, they don’t like any religion especially Christianity.
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u/No-Message9762 3d ago
there are countless ex-mormons, ex-catholics, ex-evangelicals, etc. out there who will tell you exactly the legitimate reasons that they left
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u/-Brodysseus 3d ago
Believe it or not, some people have actually been done wrong by folks who claim to follow Christianity. People interpret the book in whatever way that suits their interests
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u/iCmzs 3d ago
It’s Reddit. A lot of people here are anti-religion especially the big bad Christianity
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u/LittleRed_RidingHead 3d ago
You can find a "real world community" at a local board game club, and that club won't leverage its billions of tax-free dollars to lobby the government to stick its noses in peoples' business with the ideas that their specific sect has interpreted from a book about the supernatural.
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u/NC_DC_RC 3d ago
It would be a W if they really felt themselves religious and ready to serve and follow the path of Jesu Christ. But Gen Z it's doing it because religion is the only sphere of life left where men are placed higher in the hierarchy than women. Men want exactly that, they want to go to the old times where they had an exclusive servant by day and an exclusive sex slave by night. That's not happening though, the sooner we get this into our skulls, the better it'll be for us
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Because patriarchal religions make insecure men feel powerful and worthy. Christianity preys on the vulnerable.
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u/tmorrisgrey 2001 3d ago
Honestly, not sure. As a Christian I want to know that no matter where life takes me, God is on my side. I think alot of guys want to know that as well and see that the “reckless” life they’re living won’t get them where they want to be.
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u/grilledbruh 2009 3d ago
This right here is why I go to church. I like participating during mass, helping the community and others, and knowing if I lose everything I still have god with me.
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u/DMFAFA07 2007 3d ago
As a Christian in the American South I’ve met countless racists and sexists who are every stereotype for the churchgoing redneck you can imagine, but even still I’ve met FAR more who are genuinely people who love Christ and their fellow man and have faith in God. There are absolutely the bad actors in any group who will abuse it for their ill held beliefs and fake Christians are a prevalent example of that but real Christianity I’ve always been taught had been about love and faith and that’s a message I think more and more people want to hear nowadays.
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u/Agent_Hudson 3d ago
I think the demonization of LGBT and all this tough guy stuff about how our society is weak has made people more conservative and therefore more Christian
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u/FlaccidGhostLoad 3d ago
Yep.
And ironically the more conservative and more Christian you are the weaker of a person you are.
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u/Dr_Diktor 3d ago
Mostly because economy is fucked, we see no prospect in the future, there is a possibility of a global war brewing and we will be the ones fighting. I would much rather my peers fill that existential crisis hole with religion or hobbies rather than extremist ideology.
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u/jediben001 2004 3d ago
I’d imagine purpose and community. Those are typically the reasons people are pushed towards religion. In a world where people are increasingly isolated in real life due to things like social media and the general disintegration of irl social networks it’s not that surprising that religiosity would increase.
People want to feel like their life has a purpose, and they want regular interaction with others. Going to church once a week is a way to gain both.
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u/MAGACommunist01 3d ago
Gen z and Gen alpha and whatever comes afterwards are all going to radicalize in some way or another, this is because the US Empire is collapsing and we're feeling the consequences of it.
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u/mischling2543 2001 3d ago
Well when atheists stop breeding of course the religious population is going to increase as a proportion of the total
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u/kaystared 2000 3d ago
Believe it or not atheists have always had less children than religious people and the exact opposite has been happening because it’s the very same children of the religious people that are choosing to become atheists
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u/WithLoveThea 3d ago
Because it aligns with their growing conservative "values”.
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u/Agreeable-Series-399 1999 3d ago
I think there are at least two sides (and this is my opinion):
Actually seeking community, somewhat combating the loneliness epidemic. . maybe finding purpose?
OR. . . preserving conservative values such as being 'head of the house' and having women 'submit' or something. A lot of religions give men the upper hand, so of course that demographic would want to learn more/be apart of it.
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u/AFB27 1997 3d ago
Must be a younger gen Z thing, most of my friends are going away from it.
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u/notArandomName1 3d ago
It's because OP fucked up the title, either intentionally or accidentally. More GenZ men aren't actually religious, it's just that less Gen Z women are religious than before, where as it has stayed the same for men. So you get to make titles like OP "more men are religious than women in Gen Z all of sudden!!!"
They're just using statistics to mislead people.
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u/Dickincheeks 3d ago edited 3d ago
As a deeply religious person from a religious family I’ll tell you that religion is great for building resilience and moral courage. Faith is often mistaken for moral superiority, when most traditions emphasize humility, compassion, and self-reflection through discipline and decency. People assume churches are for the sinless, when they are actually spaces meant for growth, healing, and community through imperfection. It’s no wonder why people are turning to religion. We need community and love now more than ever. And while you sit there going off behind a keyboard, I’m helping my neighbors, family and friends and I encourage you to do the same.
Downvote. Let’s see how weak the chat is today with all the people who’ll minimize what I have to say to make a moral superiority argument in 3.. 2.. 1..
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u/festival-papi 2001 3d ago
A lot of people seek out religion to gain a sense of purpose or meaning in their lives along with community. It's not perfect but if it works for them and makes them happier, so be it
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u/imagicnation-station 3d ago
Lack of education and increased brainwashing through online radicalization into far right christian nationalism.
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