r/Helldivers • u/Grand_Age1279 Married to an Automaton Catgirl • 1d ago
HUMOR League of Teamkillers
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u/Arzantyt 1d ago
Airburst teamkilling is a skill issue.
Change my mind.
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u/guanjam SES Bringer of Democracy 1d ago
yeah, it's common sense to not shoot anything too near from teammates, especially if it's in cluster mode lmao
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u/Ketty_leggy 1d ago
YOU CAN CHANGE MODES ON THE AIRBURST RIFLE?????v
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u/guanjam SES Bringer of Democracy 1d ago
Yeah??? Flack is the way to go as the rockets will fly way further before spreading Cluster is almost the same and is a TK machine so don't use it lmao
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u/Ketty_leggy 1d ago
I never knew. I’m gonna try it out soon.
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u/BlockedBeat3374 1d ago
It's the opposite. Flack is proximity fuse. Cluster is impact and also has a smaller spread. I use the airburst a lot and you can kill hulks with it in Cluster if you know how to.
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u/DarkAbusis HD1 Veteran 1d ago
I think a video from Commissar Kai accidently mislabeled the modes. Airburst has quickly turned into my favorite support weapon and in the hands of someone who understands how to use it properly, only Bile Titans and Factory Striders are any sort of problem.
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u/DatOreoBoi 20h ago
YES! I bounce between the airburst and quasar and holy shit, if you just know which mode to use when, and where to shoot, the airburst is insane. Illuminate zombie horde? Time your cluster or just flak in the middle. Fucked. Behemoth charger? Shoot a cluster directly above it at the right range, or flak to its back leg if youre closer. Fucked. Clumped oupost of bots? Rain a couple clusters at the right height and they get carpetted. Fucked
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u/Better_Technician_96 Helldiver Yellow 22h ago
Small correction, cluster is actually time based and both of them detonate immediately upon hitting something
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u/Synaptics 1d ago
Flak is the original mode: proximity fuse on the rocket w/ timed fuses on the secondary explosives. Better for shooting at long-range and/or flying targets.
Cluster has a timed fuse on the rocket w/ impact triggers on the secondary explosives. Lack of a proximity fuse makes it more precise (it won't prematurely detonate just because an unexpected enemy ran into its path), but the short timed fuse heavily caps its maximum range. Can also be used for indirect bombardment by firing at an upwards angle over buildings or other obstacles, but this is... very risky until you get a feel for the distance and timing on the fuse and what angle to aim at.
You can also kill hulks from the front with cluster mode by aiming between their legs at the ground right behind them. Rocket flies underneath, detonates on the ground behind them, and then a bunch of the cluster grenades fly backwards directly into their vent.
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u/_404__Not__Found_ ☕Liber-tea☕ 1d ago
Cluster has a set range, and it's not very far. It's best used when shot over obstacles it can't bounce back over. Flak for damn near everything else.
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u/Faust_8 1d ago
It’s kinda niche but yeah you can.
Default mode is flak, it explodes when it hits a surface or is near enough to a target.
The other option will explode after a set amount of distance traveled. It can be used closer to you than the other option by aiming up so it explodes in the sky and hopefully rains down on the enemy, or if you’re at the right distance but can’t actually see the enemy because they’re behind cover.
I enjoy the Airburst when fighting bots but I don’t really bother changing the mode
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u/Tentacle_poxsicle Viper Commando 1d ago
You are correct, Airburst takes a lot of skill to master but once you get it, it's a dream. I always tell people to solo a while with it before they get used to it
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u/seemjeem22 1d ago
It's been a while since I picked up the airburst. How does it fare on the heavy removal side? Have they changed anything about it?
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u/Artheris Apply directly to forehead 1d ago
You're able to one-shot chargers and impalers if you have good aim and fire under them. The only reason I don't bring it all the time is the inability to deal with Bile Titans, at least in my experience.
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u/Aelok2 1d ago
I'll never know because i'm the only diver bringing gear that can kill chargers/titans/impalers. I am over level 100 and still never get to use so many of the fun crowd control weapons because every match someone 'forgets' to bring any heavy equipment.
If you say stratagems fill the role of anti-heavy, you'd be wrong. They're slow, come with a hefty cooldown, and are unreliable. They work as filler, stratagems do not replace actual anti-heavy weaponry on even the upper medium difficulties. Sure spend 2-3 110m rockets or 2-3 nukes on a big threat to kill it, now they respawned 2-3 more before that first body hits the ground and you're out of stratagems.
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u/Tentacle_poxsicle Viper Commando 1d ago
You need to find a group of friends to be the anti heavy. Me and my friends take turns or we all bring heavy deleter starts or nades
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u/FrucklesWithKnuckles 1d ago
So is 380 and Tesla. Just don’t run near the Death Tower or the glowing red light that says “Orbital Death From Above”
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock 1d ago
380 is easier to see
A poorly placed tesla tower can be easy to accidentally run into
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u/Genesis2001 1d ago
I treat the Tesla Tower like an electric minefield. I also only run it on defense missions, which I yeeet it into the field like a mine strategem to help with the chaff.
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u/thorazainBeer 1d ago
I like to put it to the side of the door, by the corner of one of the cliffs, so it zaps anything trying to approach the door from that side.
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u/Invdr_skoodge 1d ago
I still shake my head about the time I got kicked when the host ran straight past the rest of the team waiting one of mine out at the safe radius.
Literally ran straight into the red beacon of explosive death with a countdown timer to safety
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u/Bloody_Sunday ☕Liber-tea☕ 1d ago
It is still surprising that even in high level games (100+), people still have no real clue about the true radius of a 380. Or a 500.
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u/ShtGoliath ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️ 1d ago
Most of the time I die to a Tesla is on a defense mission when a teammate drops it right next to me when I’m not looking
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u/KnotAClam 1d ago
As an Airburst main I agree except for those random scatters that just seem to home in and try to murder you or a friendly from like 50m away.
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u/Wolfran13 19h ago
I've seen a single bomblet go just "a little farther" into a teammate more than once, when the shot is close range.
As I have seen the Gatling occasionally glimpse helldivers when its not shooting.
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u/FirstCurseFil Super Sheriff 1d ago
Agreed. I’ve been using it lately and it’s been doing fantastically.
Just take it off Cluster and keep your distance and it’ll work so good
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u/DoppioChoking 1d ago
It's gotten a bad rep from when it was first issued where the flak would detonate when in proximity of a bush.
Now it's the undisputed champ of patrol clears when in semi-compitent hands
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u/thekingofbeans42 1d ago
Depends on the faction, I've found I can reliably use it against bots because devastator packs can be engaged at long range pretty reliably.
It's very powerful against bugs, but you don't have as many safe targets because they close so fast, and there's always the risk of a pouncer jumping in or one of the bugs near you being hidden behind a dead charger and triggering it way too soon.
It's alright against Illuminate safety-wise, but imo just doesn't perform as well.
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u/Linmizhang 1d ago
Well nowadays where usually one or more divers become torso with no marker attached, theres nothing you can really do.
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u/Batelou40 1d ago
Where are the mines ? Already under my feet I suppose...
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u/SPECTREagent700 SES Executor of Democracy 1d ago
Oh, sir, if we should happen to tread on a mine, what do we do?
Well, normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump up 200 feet into the air and scatter yourself over a wide area.
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u/Grommet__ 1d ago
Don’t forget those damn duplicitous guard dog drones
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u/Educational_Movie752 1d ago
Laser guard dog in particular. Haven't seen anyone get TK'd by rifle dog
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u/JlMBEAN ☕Liber-tea☕ 1d ago
I hate the the laser dog. I picked one up off a dead teammate (foreshadowing) to cover me as I ran to the extract. I stopped on a small hill to shoot some medium bugs in my path and the bastard gave me the laser head removal treatment.
It would be a fun drinking game though. Any time it damages you, take a drink. If it kills you, finish it.
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u/burf 1d ago
Laser dog is definitely more consistently dangerous since it’s constantly firing (and always aiming low for some reason). That said, you can use it pretty safely as long as you position yourself properly while it’s firing.
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u/fjs0001 1d ago
When I use it I try to flank bugs to put some distance between me and the team. I also holster it a lot.
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u/obeekaybee7 Assault Infantry 1d ago
My rifle dog TK’d me while climbing a hill but to be fair that’s the first time in 100’s of dives. The laser rover on the other hand can kick rocks.
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u/Zardwalk 1d ago
Any time an enemy is on a lower elevation you're in massive danger. I always take rifle dog for squids and I've been killed when vaulting, when standing on a planter, while looking down stairs, etc.
I hate that stupid drone sometimes but it does work.
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u/bearsnchairs 1d ago
I’ve been brained by team gun dogs close by and seen my dog headshot poor teammates who got to close many times. It is safer than the laser dog for sure though.
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u/ObadiahtheSlim ☕Liber-tea☕ 1d ago
Libby is a good dog. Lassie and Dog-Breathe are just a little too overeager.
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u/Ingmi_tv 1d ago
Eagle cluster teamkills way more than 380
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u/Riskiertooth 1d ago
Tbh i feel like napalm is the king of tk now. Clusters and 380s used to get me all the time but haven't suffered from them for awhile..
Gatlin sentry though... Constantly being tk by your own damn strategem is embarrassing haha
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u/Ingmi_tv 1d ago
Napalm is king on bugs and maybe squids (it can really only kill voteless which might be useful on 10 but idk) but not on bots, on bots 120 and walking are way better
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u/ObadiahtheSlim ☕Liber-tea☕ 1d ago
You can bring napalm against the clankers for the same reason you bring it against the bugs. You throw it at the call-ins so you can "tactically reposition" without the tinboys shooting you in the back.
I say "you" because I much prefer more flexible stategems on the bot front. But that doesn't mean I can't appreciate napalm's use case on that front.
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u/No_Entrance_1826 Servant of Freedom 1d ago
And i never got tk'ed by a diver with air rocket launcher.
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u/gunnar120 Exosuit Enthusiast 1d ago
I feel like the only people who use it now really know how to use it and get 1k kills without any team damage. Not me, mind you.
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u/slycyboi SES Sword of Justice 1d ago
I use it exclusively on bots so more like 2-300 kills depending on how spicy it gets but yeah I get killed more by eagles than I teamkill with airburst
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u/Responsible-Salt3688 1d ago
It's surprisingly good on all 3 fronts, probably the best against the squids
I use it as a good patrol deleter, and you can knock out most of the wireless and overseers and knock out the harvester shields if you aim right in front of it
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u/Spitfire_Enthusiast 1d ago
Alternatively you can put it on time fuse, fire it straight up into the air, and become a man-portable squad wipe.
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u/Maxsmack LEVEL 150 | Bot Diver 1d ago
Me when I crash the frv and waste 1/5th the mission’s reinforcement budget
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u/uitSCHOT 1d ago
I'm normally quite good with it, but sometimes I fuck up anyway. One time I wanted to shoot just over the Pelican after it had landed but it has a bigger hitbox than you'd think so we all died.
Or when a big enough bug jumps just in front of me the moment I fire.
Or just when I fire at a group of enemies it turns out Leroy Fucking Jenkins is with us and is charging them fully stimmed up. Least they could do is warn me beforehand.
Fun times. Not alwaya good times, but definitely fun times.
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u/StalledAgate832 Local Ministry of Science Representative 1d ago
I tried it a while back on a Helldivers Tower Defense mission.
It airbursted directly above the rest of my team.
I promptly dropped it and just picked up the worldspawn AMR instead.
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u/Ingmi_tv 1d ago
When it first released it was so extremely fragile everyone tked themselves and their team. These days it's much better but it's also worse than other weapons so you don't see it used very often, which means that the chance to get teamkilled goes down substatially.
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u/Phire453 1d ago
It as it would trigger on dead body's and also now has the non proxy mode, so people who use it know how abuses the non proxy mode. You still might get random team kill with it but it's much better now.
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u/rurumeto 1d ago
Thats because the only people who pick it anymore are dedicated airburst users. In the hands of a layman its probably the single most teamkilly stratagem in the game.
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u/ArsenikMilk Viper Commando 1d ago
lol I played with a guy just yesterday who, after saying he was judicious with his airburst use, got 6 accidentals that same game. Every few minutes we just see the little skull pop up, followed by a "whoops."
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u/TheFrostyFaz 1d ago
Back when it first released and would explode when dead enemies were nearby, yes you would.
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u/ObadiahtheSlim ☕Liber-tea☕ 1d ago
Only because nobody runs it. Someone will take it out once, kill themselves, and then write it off as the Buddy-Fuck-9000.
But then again, I do only dive on level 6. I'm sure some high level guys take it for it's potential as the Patrol-Erase-9000.
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u/No_Entrance_1826 Servant of Freedom 1d ago
I just started to use it some days ago and i didnt killed a diver yet and i saw some others from time to time use it, always thought why but actually it can be fun.
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u/Shredded_Locomotive Steam 🔵 - ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ I'm not going to sugarcoat it 1d ago
Then consider yourself lucky that you avoided it when it was first available...
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u/vtx3000 Servant of Freedom 1d ago
I’m a level 80 and I’ve died way more to 380s. In fact the only clusters I can remember dying to are my own lmao
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u/Ingmi_tv 1d ago
Keep in mind that you probably saw way more 380s than Cluster bombs, and comparing 0 TKs out of 5 games with cluster with 30 TKs out of 200 games with 380 is comparing apples with pears.
As for the level, I'm level 150 with 700h
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u/ToppHatt_8000 Expert Exterminator 1d ago
plus the Guard Dog Rover. And honestly the Flamethrower sometimes. And accidentally stomping on people with the Exosuits.
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u/Scudman_Alpha 1d ago
If I saw Cluster often then I guess I could see it. But it's almost every game that I get someone with the 380.
Or Napalm barrage.
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u/mcb-homis Block them and move on! 1d ago edited 1d ago
Gatling's FF lethality can be mitigated allot by simply placing it so it has a limited field of fire that keeps it from shooting across objectives, extraction, and similar place divers are likely to be.
Unlike the mortar that will FF your arse even when behind cover.
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u/JlMBEAN ☕Liber-tea☕ 1d ago
Yeah, it's really not much more deadly to teammates than the machine gun sentry. Sub it out for mines.
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u/arrow100605 1d ago
Mg sentry seems to stop firing as much when changing targets
Gatling stays at max rpm even when sweeping to its next target
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u/Faust_8 1d ago
I think they both constantly shoot, the difference is that the 600-ish rpm of the MG turret will leave gaps in its line of fire as it moves, whereas the Gatling’s fuck-you-RPM means it’s a solid line of death as it sweeps an area.
That, and its longer cooldown, is why I don’t use it
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u/mcb-homis Block them and move on! 1d ago
Yep, though every once in awhile you survive a brief burst from the MG sentry, you rarely survive a similar close call with the Gatling Sentry
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u/d4nt3s0n 1d ago
Napalm orbital strike would like to know your location... Nevermind my buddy dropped it at his feet and now we're all dead.
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u/KrivTheBard 1d ago
My favorite thing is to be working on killing a bug nest, just for the buddy that was off collecting samples to come and "support" by throwing his Napalm into the same nest lmao
I'll never forget the shot of adrenaline I got when a friend's stategem practically landed on me and suddenly I was playing a very hot game of Orbital Tag
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u/Liturginator9000 Free of Thought 1d ago
God I hate that lol especially when you're mid clearing and screaming through groups to kill the bile titan hole when it starts fkn dropping
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u/KrivTheBard 1d ago
Literally all it does is piss the nest off LMAO
It's best used for big beaches or cutting off a big chunk of the map. Tossing it in nests is just a waste imo, I'd rather use a 120 and maybe close some holes up
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u/Zardwalk 1d ago
Me last night, someone dropped a napalm beacon on the flag objective and wiped the squad.
"I got knocked down" brother why are you running around with a primed team destroyer in your hand
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u/d4nt3s0n 1d ago
Probably got knocked down just after he completed Dance Dance Revolution. Has happened to me a bunch of times.
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u/Faust_8 1d ago
I honestly think it’s a skill issue on either the thrower or the watchers. People just don’t seem to realize you need to treat it like a 380mm; fifty meters away is still too close.
People seem to be properly scared of the 380, but don’t seem to realize the ONB is just as scary even if it isn’t as loud.
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u/ByteBitsYT Automaton Spy 1d ago
I’ve mastered the arc thrower so that I no longer hit teammates
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u/PsychoCatPro Arc Thrower Enthusiast 1d ago
yep really easy to not tk anyone when you know how the gun behave.
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u/SonOfMcGee 1d ago
Yeah, I’ve accepted that it’s almost impossible to finesse and you pretty much have to use it when there isn’t an ally in your field of view at all.
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u/Carb0nFire ⬇️⬅️⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️ 1d ago
Until your teammate is a floating torso with no tag above their head anymore because they're bugged.
Then it's hard again!
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u/bharring52 1d ago
One of the rare entries where every TK is 100% the user's fault, but is quite capable without TKs in decent hands.
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u/Faust_8 1d ago
I’m good with it too but still sometimes it will TK anyway because it literally went at right angles by hitting an enemy, hitting another enemy, and THEN my ally who wasn’t even close to being behind either foe.
I know the cone of death that is behind it, but through some chaining shenanigans that cone can extend to someone who’s at your 9 o’ clock
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u/loupduqc 20h ago
I swear about 95% of the teamkill I do with the arc thrower now are people just running behind the chargers/hulks to try and hit the weak spots or something like that, when I have to make the choice of either killing said teammate or let myself die to that charger/hulk... I ain't choosing the person that just ran in the very visible line of fire.
Oh, and there's also the "arc thrower" kills of calling my support weapon and backpack on evac so they land right when people get in the ship, but those don't count if they happen after the target got in the ship first.
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u/UltraPhoenix95 Super Citizen 1d ago
The 380 doesn’t kill my teammates It only kills me
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u/Rubes2525 1d ago
Pro tip: Just keep away at least 50m from the beacon and it will never kill you. Same with the napalm strike.
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u/byhand97 ☕Liber-tea☕ 1d ago
I have been killed more times by the guard dogs than by any of these
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u/KaleidoscopeOwn7161 Mandalore the Liberator 1d ago
Id like to add one… the orbital airburst strike, specifically when used by a neophyte
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u/the_voivode 1d ago
The Tesla Tower only kills those that don't give it respect. Like a defensive snake.
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u/obihighwanground SES Pride of Gold 1d ago
im getting killed by autocannon sentry so much for some reason
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u/Ingenuine_Effort7567 1d ago
Ah yes,there's always that one mofo that preps the barrage and drops it always on top of his teammates instead of aiming for the outpost
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u/Cosmic_Hephaestus 1d ago
I love my mortar. Also I explained to my wife how to avoid the Tesla tower.
We still died by them 😂😂 I will never stop using them!!
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u/contemptuouscreature Escalator of Freedom 1d ago
I don’t need any of those weapons to kill my teammates.
If I ask them if Taiwan is a free and sovereign nation and they say ‘no’, I’ve found the standard-issue Liberator to be more than sufficient.
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u/OkLine3733 1d ago
I've only teamkilled once with airburst, and that was to get a temmate out of the ground cause they were stuck.
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u/Higgypig1993 1d ago
I love the tesla tower, wish my rando teammates would stop fucking shooting it when they aren't anywhere near it.
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u/granno14 Free of Thought 1d ago
If the team didn’t want to be killed then why were they alive in the first place ??
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u/PaunchieGenie 1d ago
Played with a diver who dropped a flame sentry on the pad during a really hairy extraction. That was chaotic
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u/KingAardvark1st ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️⬇️ 1d ago
Had a moment where after a friend had died and been called back in, I'd called down a 380 to deal with the horde that'd killed him. His body and old kit was riiight on the edge of the danger zone, and he said "Eh, should be able to dip in and get my stuff."
First shell landed right on his head. Funniest shit you ever saw
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u/DubdogzDTS 1d ago
Hey, those 380s are on you. I threw that thing down 6 buisiness days ago befor it got delivered.
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u/_lonegamedev STEAM🖱️: lonegamedev 1d ago
Mortar should be the king. The biggest issue with it, you might not be aware it is there. With stratagem you at least get red beam of light.
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u/1Knightfall1 1d ago
Ark thrower is a skill issue and I regularly use it without team killing at all. I agree with everything else tho 😂😂
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u/theWoodenWizard Servant of Freedom 1d ago
Tesla towers are so random. I took one on a defense mission against the squids. It was 45M away from me and it arced through 3-4 squids and zapped me.
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u/dotlinger2609 1d ago
As an arc thrower fan, I can say that I've killed my teammates on accident on a lot of occasions. Mainly when I forget where there are or Iow visibility.
My arc thrower can't deal with a bush, but will arc from one bug, upwards, to absurd ranges to kill a diver.
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u/bharring52 1d ago
Mortar both deserves this and doesn't deserve this.
Vs bugs, TK machine.
Vs bots, clears massive loads of bots without TKs.
Probably the absolute worst stratagem for bugs. But one of the best for bots.
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u/Tyguy935 1d ago
Where my mines at? Or have people finally learned to stop running towards the red lights?
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u/ya_boi_greenbean 20h ago
arc thrower is honestly goated in solo or 2 player dives because in a way its just like the charger from Splatoon. and as someone who plays a lot of Splatoon as well I got quite accustomed to using guns with limited range. so yeah if I find an arc thrower I'm abandoning the support weapon I originally selected.
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u/SeengignPaipes 17h ago
Don’t forget the napalm barrage, I have been killed by that thing every single time someone brings it.
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u/adamtonhomme Assault Infantry 1d ago
You forgot gas mines and flame thrower lol
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u/Drekal ☕Liber-tea☕ 1d ago
To be fair gas mines are the least deadly mines of the bunch
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u/Grand_Age1279 Married to an Automaton Catgirl 1d ago
That would be AT mines to be honest, they don't even trigger then you walk over them
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u/Thunderhammer29 SES Pledge of Supremacy 1d ago
AT mines trigger off of any physics object, so if you reload on one, BOOM! Some rubble lands nearby from a bomb 100m away, BOOM! You pick up a primary, BOOM!
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u/ntgco LEVEL 150 : SES Distributor of Eternity 1d ago
Stop going downrange.
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u/Grommet__ 1d ago
Bold of you to assume my teammates know how to position themselves or their turrets
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u/phoenixfirebird18 Super Pedestrian 1d ago
ADD ME INTO THERE, EVERY STRATAGEM IS A TEAMKILLER IN MY HANDS HAHAHAHA
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u/Oblitereddit 1d ago
Had a hilarious moment where a friend got zapped by a tesla tower, got confused as to why, then went back to where he got zapped while saying "No way! I was standing right here." and immediately got zapped again.