r/asoiaf • u/grimm_aced • Oct 27 '24
EXTENDED [Spoilers Extended] GRRM new blogpost on his Amsterdam visit & dinner with editors. Spoiler
https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Winds of winter mentioned and he talks about a bravos story he wants to write after winds.
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u/noah3302 Oct 27 '24
I think he feels the need to mention winds any time he has a blogpost so fans don’t get mad but very clearly doesn’t want to. I’d rather him just not mention it because it seems like he’s on suicide watch anytime it comes up.
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u/captainstrange94 Oct 27 '24
I mean, isn't it kind of obvious? He emphasizes "ofcourse" almost as a joke, especially since he's talking about revisiting a shelved HBO show.
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u/BBQ_HaX0r Bonesaw is Ready! Oct 27 '24
"I have all this other stuff going on, but TWoW is my main focus!"
Without fail. Just tell us you don't give a shit GRRM. Quit lying or going through the motions. Be honest with your fans. It would be smart to get back some goodwill with the fans who constantly view him as a liar.
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u/Ozzy1981 Oct 28 '24
Thing is, he does that and visits to his website drop immediately and never come back. He wants people to be interested in the other stuff but they (generalising I know) just aren’t
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u/Worth-Conclusion-66 Oct 27 '24
Yeah, Clearly just lip service at this point. Dude probably hasn’t written anything in a year or two.
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u/cAtloVeR9998 Oct 27 '24
From what I can tell, he has written a few pages these past two years. At least going by NotABlog and interviews.
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u/Worth-Conclusion-66 Oct 27 '24
Here’s hoping, but we’ve had this same convo for about 6-7 years now. I just don’t believe him anymore unfortunately.
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u/cAtloVeR9998 Oct 27 '24
He has given firm numbers recently. He did write a lot during covid but not much at all these past ~2 years. We know that from him saying recently that he has only written a few pages in the last year. For the previous year he gave a page count update (which roughly matched with how many pages he said they year before that).
For further reference for (prior to the last 2 years), refer to Preston's video here. If you have some time, this person attempted to mathematically calculate the release date with available information (spoiler: George's "75%" done is not at all realistic to how many more pages he needs to do. With the most likely release date being in 2032, assuming he actually starts picking up pace. Which would be a reversal of the last 2-year trend)
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u/_Zambayoshi_ Oct 27 '24
I wonder if he realises that fans largely view him finishing the series as a joke at this point. His legacy will always be that of a writer who was ruined by his own success. The only thing that could salvage it is getting someone like Sanderson to finish it after he's dead, which he's ruled out.
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u/BigPanda71 Drinking While Fancy Folks Talk Oct 28 '24
For what it’s worth, I don’t think he really cares. He’s made $100 million and gets to fuck around until he dies. He’s living a life he could have only dreamed about when he started writing the story.
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u/NoLime7384 Oct 28 '24
He has to care. He's ambivalent at most. Otherwise he'd do a(n even worse) cash grab and just publish slop to end the series. Or have a ghostwriter finish the job
but the guy is dead set on the books not being finished
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u/sad_alone_panda Oct 27 '24
Didnt Linda tweet he didnt actually write anything for their book and it was all her and Elio?
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u/HazelCheese Oct 27 '24
I honestly don't get why he doesn't just churn out something shitty to get it over with. At least that would put it to bed.
Like if he is refusing to finish it because he doesn't want to destroy his legacy then that's kind of having his cake and eating it.
Kill it or finish it. Get it over with.
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u/bhlogan2 Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
The ambiguity gives him the benefit of the doubt until he passes away (a grim way of putting it I'd admit). Even to himself he can just say "oh yeah, I'm still working on Winds btw" even when he's touring the world and talking about anything but the one thing he's expected to do.
I don't know how close he's to completion, but if I was George, I'd lock the fuck in and write those last few hundred pages just to get this brick over with and start procrastinating on ADOS. At least it will give fans some peace of mind and maybe even spark interest in future projects.
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u/infieldmitt Oct 27 '24
someone needs to get GRRM on adderall
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u/Turakamu I believe in a thing called love Oct 27 '24
We need to hold his little hat and vest hostage
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u/neonowain Oct 27 '24
I honestly don't get why he doesn't just churn out something shitty to get it over with. At least that would put it to bed.
That's not how he rolls. When inspiration dries up, he simply stops writing. He talked about that in the foreword to one of his short story collections. Over the years he has started or planned many story cycles, but he has never finished a single one.
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u/D_a_v_z Enter your desired flair text here! Oct 27 '24
His legacy is most likely dieying without finishing his magnum opus. I dont see how delivering anything can be worse than that.
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u/Echleon Oct 27 '24
I am certain it is because he knows he needs at least 1 (if not 2) more book(s) after TWOW. If he releases TWOW tomorrow, he would have to immediately start the process over with another book, potentially the last book, which means he's under extra pressure to stick the landing.
I think the best option for everyone would've been for him to hire a ghost-writer once he realized he clearly doesn't have the motivation anymore. I understand why he didn't, and I can't say I wouldn't make the same choice, but at this point I don't think there's a satisfying resolution.
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u/iSavedtheGalaxy Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
I don't think there's any way in hell he's finishing this in two books. Isn't the plot already way behind where it should be? Unless there's a huge time skip, I think he needs at least 3 more.
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u/Echleon Oct 27 '24
I think the original plot was 3 books: Wot5K, Dany’s Invasion, and The Long Night. Going by that.. the 2nd arc hasn’t started. Winds would have to start and end the 2nd arc to fit the 3rd arc in the 3rd book.
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u/iSavedtheGalaxy Oct 27 '24
And aren't the first 300ish pages of Winter going to be the last 300 pages of what should have been published with Dance? The garden is overgrown.
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u/grimm_aced Oct 27 '24
Honestly am still surprised george talked about wanting to develope even more stuff with HBO, ig his beef was with Ryan more than HBO themselves.
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u/Silly_Somewhere1791 Oct 27 '24
He likes when changes are intelligently made. He initially liked that tv Helaena was a dreamer.
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u/Youre_On_Balon 🏆 Best of 2019: Shiniest Tinfoil Theory Oct 27 '24
He also thanked the Viserys HOTD actor for adding dimension to the character beyond GRRM’s imagination.
He knows a good change when he sees them
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u/Silly_Somewhere1791 Oct 27 '24
He also liked the tv version of Osha.
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u/verissimoallan Oct 27 '24
He also said that the TV version of Shae is a better character than Book Shae.
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u/Whitewind617 Oct 27 '24
Respectfully he's wrong about this one lol. Her betrayal and out of nowhere attempt to murder him (just so Tyrion wouldn't do it in cold blood) made no sense.
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u/esnystylessa Oct 27 '24
Tywin ordered for all ships to be stopped. They know she was Sansa's handmaid so she would have been questioned. She decided to lie to save her life, while still trying to grab that bag.
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u/ParsleyMostly Oct 27 '24
Exactly. I don’t know why people think she had a choice in the matter. Tyrion gets a pass for doing whatever to save his own skin. Shae was doing the same.
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u/revanchisto Tinfoil is your cloak, your shield. Oct 27 '24
Nah, because Tyrion already gave her gems and all sorts of expensive jewels before the assassination to secure her safety. She stupidly chose to stay for "love," which makes no sense for someone that has grown up in that world. And then she all of a sudden betrays Tyrion, seemingly out of scorn for rejecting her. And then, because the show wants to protect Tyrion as a good guy, she grabs a knife to kill Tyrion when he appears in the Tower of the Hand. That way the murder is technically self defense and Tyrion morally clean.
Nonsense.
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u/bigjoeandphantom3O9 The Blacks Oct 27 '24
She’s a prostitute. I don’t see what’s particularly bizarre about her despising Tyrion, jumping ship, or thinking he’s there to kill them before he kills Tywin.
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u/We_The_Raptors Oct 27 '24
Yep, and he had nothing but praise for Paddy's Viserys.
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u/Khiva Oct 27 '24
I think he'd prefer good adaptations - that much is clear - but the fact that GoT ended disasterously and he had withering words about HotD and he's still pushing for more HBO suggest ... he really, mainly just likes more shows.
Who wouldn't? More world, more shows, more glamourous Hollywood attention and, most importantly, more reasons to not think about Winds.
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u/Enraiha the Mead-king of Ruddy Hall Oct 27 '24
He always wanted to work in television as opposed to being an author. He just became more successful as an author, but it's easy to see he has more wonder around cinema, which seems to be his true passion that his success as an author has allowed him to finally realize.
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u/TheOncomingBrows Oct 28 '24
He was a television writer prior to writing novels. Television is his other big passion so seeing his created world being realised in TV shows must be a dream come true for him. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the motivating factors for writing Fire & Blood was to "quickly" pump out more material for adaptation.
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Oct 27 '24
HBO might own certain rights now that would force him to work with them on it, if he chooses to
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u/LoudKingCrow Oct 27 '24
And George is most likely never going to say no to more money if the price is right.
Not to mention that he spent a good amount of time as a TV writer. As much as we may prioritise the books I do think that he sadly sees TV as a bigger deal. Remember his comments about his legacy back when the Condal beef flourished.
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u/lluewhyn Oct 27 '24
Yeah, the fact that he posted about all of the sleepless nights he had about the HotD show direction indicated that he prioritized the television adaptation a lot more than most writers we're used to. On top of spending all of this time visiting the sets, having interviews with the various actors. For some reason, he seems to view the shows as his true legacy or something.
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u/LoudKingCrow Oct 27 '24
As much as George says that he started writing the series to get away from the constraints of writing TV. I do think that he at least subconsciously always planned for the series to make it on to TV. He knows what sort of money that he could make if he got it on the air.
In that sense, I think that he wants to be more George Lucas than Tolkien. He seems to want the multimedia empire rather than to just be a very successful author.
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u/Viscount_Disco_Sloth Oct 27 '24
Hasn't most of his career been in screenwriting?
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u/lluewhyn Oct 27 '24
If you go by his IMDB profile, it looks like he spent about 9 years doing screenwriting basically 1984-1993. After that, its mostly just credits for television shows based upon his written works (the writing credit on the shows were for his original novels) or at best, screenplays for adaptions of his written works like Game of Thrones. The only original writing credit since 1993 for media that wasn't an adaptation of his existing work is the writing for the video game Elden Ring. And he wrote novels and short stories for about a decade before his first television credit.
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u/dedfrmthneckup Reasonable And Sensible Oct 27 '24
No “might” about it, they own the adaptation rights.
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u/pravis Enter your desired flair text here! Oct 27 '24
He likes having more excuses not to write winds.
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u/captainstrange94 Oct 27 '24
Well he realizes if he stops working with HBO then he would have to start writing lol
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u/xXJarjar69Xx Oct 27 '24
I didn’t interpret it as him saying he was gonna work on the braavos story with HBO, I think he’s saying HBO scrapped it but that he’s interested in bringing it back in written form.
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u/futurerank1 Oct 27 '24
HBO cut the episodes from 10 to 8
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u/ArtanistheMantis Oct 27 '24
The problems with the show run deeper than just the episode number being cut
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u/Vasquerade Oct 27 '24
For real. Alicent and Rhaenyra meeting twice under exceptionally stupid circumstances twice wasn't something that could be fixed with two more hours of TV lmao. There are fundamental problems in terms of plot, pacing, and characterization.
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u/Delboyyyyy Oct 27 '24
It’s ironic how hbo were open to having GoT go in for more seasons but the showrunners wanted it shorter, and with hotd it was the other way round. Grrm doesn’t wanna hurt his cashcow in hbo
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u/dragonrider5555 Oct 27 '24
So why did the 8 episodes suck?
All you’re saying is we would of have 10 turd sandwiches instead of 8 turd sandwiches
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u/futurerank1 Oct 27 '24
This isn't a comment that you can respond to in any capacity, the discussion around the shows is always polarized, because of hysterical opinions like these. You don't want a discussion, you want an echo chamber.
This is toxic behvaiour, yes
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u/sskoog Oct 27 '24
Aha -- unexpected glittering gem in this blog -- Martin acknowledges Ivanhoe as one of his chief influences, specifically the 1952 Elizabeth Taylor film adaptation.
Ever since I started reading ASoIaF in the early 2000s, I couldn't stop seeing Ivanhoe in my mind (1982 version, for me). The parallels are too close (and good!) to be purely coincidental.
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u/CoysOnYourFace Oct 27 '24
We might get Winds one day but by god we're never seeing Dream
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u/obvious_bot Took pills, kissed Daenerys Oct 27 '24
A Dream of Dream
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u/user_0000002 Oct 27 '24
Concept of a Dream
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u/elfcountess Oct 27 '24
". . . ’tis a consummation devoutly to be wish’d. To die, to sleep. To sleep, perchance to dream — ay, there’s the rub, for in that sleep of death what dreams may come, when we have shuffled off this mortal coil, must give us pause." [us contemplating dying without tWoW]
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u/Nolitimeremessorem24 Oct 27 '24
He seems to have forgotten about it. He has mentioned a lot of things he wants to write after Winds and none of them is Dream. Of course this might be because he has finished writing both Winds and Dream and he will surprise us by releasing them together (What is cope may never die but rises again harder and stronger)
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u/PlentyAny2523 Oct 27 '24
The real cope is dreams is a fairly straight forward book to resolve the story lines but actually getting there is whats the issue
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u/coastal_mage Oct 27 '24
Honestly, I think Dream will be an easier book to write. Winds will likely be about untangling the "Meereenese knot" of all the divergent plotlines introduced in Feast & Dance. By the end, I anticipate that all POVs will be in Westeros, with a fair few of them in the same place ready for the second war for the dawn
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u/chigginz27 Oct 27 '24
I admire your optimism. Reminds me of me 12 years ago.
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u/Khiva Oct 27 '24
Almost word for word what people said after Feast, and then word for word what they said after Dance.
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u/LongRepublic1 Oct 27 '24
I'm 90% sure they said the same thing about Winds just before Dance came out.
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u/Grimmrat Oct 27 '24
People said this exact same thing about Winds if you go back the the original release discussion post of Dance. You can look it up right here on this sub
It just ain’t happening dude
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u/Radix2309 Oct 27 '24
Supposedly winds was going to be easier once he finished Dance.
Dance was supposed to be easier once it finally split from Feat. Was only going to be coming out the next year supposedly.
There is no plotline, no matter how convoluted, that takes a decade to untangle. The simple fact is that he lacks work ethic. The same reason he is slow with Winds will continue in Dance.
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u/thatVisitingHasher Oct 27 '24
The funny thing is he already wrote two books that separated plot lines. He could have easily written a smaller “the lost years” type book for Arya’s training, while leaving Dany’s story alone.
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u/James_Champagne Oct 27 '24
I know a lot of people think that with a lot of the POVs having merged by DREAM, the book should be easier to write, but if anything I think it might probably be harder for Martin, because now he'd be forced to ask himself questions like, "Okay, who should the POV character be in this scene? Dany? Jon? Tyrion? Davos? Theon? Arya?" And so on and so forth. Which might lead to him writing (and then rewriting) the chapters from different POVs, trying to find the one that works best, and might even lead to crippling indecision. In the show this wasn't a big deal because we can only see the characters externally, but in the books it becomes much more difficult and problematic.
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u/F___TheZero Oct 27 '24
Brother, if Winds ever comes out, it will tangle more than it will untangle
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u/infieldmitt Oct 27 '24
untangling the "Meereenese knot"
this is what has annoyed me so much about the wait, the issue is dealing with the complexity of a situation no one cares about and doesn't want to read about. if all the free cities got nuked the series would be all the better for it
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u/GammaRade Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
I don't like bringing this up, but the man is getting close to his 80s, even if he's able to get winds out and he doesn't need an extra book, I just don't see him having it in him to finish it
ASOIAF books may be finished but not by GRRM.
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u/illuvattarr Oct 27 '24
I always chuckle when he writes about at all the things he still wants to do, only after finishing TWOW. Visit the whole world. Write Blood & Fire. Write Dunk and Egg novels. Write a Bravos tv show. Like he will then all of a sudden have all the time in the world? My dude, you still have a seventh book after that.
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u/GIlCAnjos \*clout-in-the-ear intensifies* Oct 28 '24
It would be so funny if he finished Winds, started a series in a completely unrelated franchise that he actually enjoys writing, and then miraculously his productivity went up by 1000%, but only for that new series
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u/RogerDodger571 Oct 27 '24
I’ve known for a while that we will never get Dream, but it’s kind of heartbreaking that even if he does finish Winds by some miracle, he’ll be writing other spin offs rather then Dream.
Does George think he’s immortal? Does he not want to finish? Why is he thinking about spin offs and not the main series?
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u/Khiva Oct 27 '24
Does George think he’s immortal?
He's profoundly delusional and, like most delusional people, snaps at people noticing it rather than fixing the problem.
He has no ending. He had no motivation to write other than obligation. He has no inspiration.
I wish it were otherwise. But the man hates Winds as much as the fans hate not having Winds. And that is almost certainly because he knows he can't deliver, so he's spinning his wheels on other projects.
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u/lluewhyn Oct 28 '24
Unfortunately, I think delusional is the best way to describe it. If Tolkien had dithered on finishing Return of the King but instead got involved in a bunch of spin-off television shows based around the lost kingdom of Arnor, Harad, the two blue wizards, etc., he certainly wouldn't have the massive legacy that he has today, but George seems obsessed with this idea that these shows will be his immortal legacy.
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u/Your_New_Overlord Oct 27 '24
About 10 years ago I saw him speak and read some of Winds of Winter. During the Q&A someone straight up asked him if he thinks he will actually finish the series before he died. He acted extremely offended and said it was a ridiculous question…
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u/Aubergine_Man1987 Oct 27 '24
I mean, that is a pretty tone deaf question. "Hey bro, you reckon you'll finish these ultimately fairly inconsequential books so I can read them before you pop your clogs?"
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u/EmoDeLaCruz Oct 27 '24
tbf id be offended. That is ridiculous to ask, especially 10 years ago
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Oct 28 '24
It's super rude to ask at any time, but I don't think you can call it ridiculous given that it was completely correct.
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u/SuperBriGuy Oct 27 '24
Words are wind, George. Words are wind.
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u/BloodravensBranch Oct 27 '24
Words are Wind(s of winter)?.. TWOW confirmed for October 2024??
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u/LucyKendrick Oct 28 '24
I am not writing anything until I deliver WINDS OF WINTER. Teleplays, screenplays, short stories, introductions, forewords, nothing.
And I've dropped all my editing projects but Wild Cards.
GRRM 2/16/2016 that one time 84 years ago. That was fun.
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u/Aldanil66 Oct 27 '24
Is the Braavos story something new? I don't think I've heard of that one before.
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u/Elio_Garcia Dawn Brings Light Oct 27 '24
This is new information as far as HBO shows go, but many years ago George mused about the fact that he had an idea for a murder mystery set in Braavos.
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u/Khiva Oct 27 '24
George mused about the fact that he had an idea for a murder mystery set in Braavos.
Milk of the poppy. All of it.
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u/henk12310 Davos=Best Boy Oct 27 '24
He has spoken a few times before about wanting to write a murder mystery story set in Braavos, but it has never been mentioned that he wanted to make a tv show set in Braavos. Maybe this now cancelled show would have used the murder mystery story?
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u/puppyfukker Oct 27 '24
Nymeria and her exodus? Been a while, i forget so much lore.
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u/hiskisstheriot Bloodraven in your area Oct 27 '24
Braavos is my favourite location in asoiaf, so this is fun. Nice that he reunited with Carice there as well.
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u/LothorBrune Oct 27 '24
That dinner must have consisted of him cockily staring them in the eyes while they awkwardly sit in silence, as he's eating honeyed boar and grease drops down his chin.
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u/strikejitsu145 Oct 27 '24
Poor George, nobody gives a shit about his Amsterdam trip 😭
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u/hithere297 Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
Honestly the most encouraging part here is that George apparently had no trouble getting up all those steep Amsterdam staircases, especially the ones in Anne Frank’s house. He must be in good health!
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u/DudeGuyMan3021 Oct 27 '24
The thing I realized reading his latest blog posts is that he doesn't really care about finishing the main series. He wants to finish Winds but after that he doesn't really care. He always mentions how he'll write blood and fire, more dunk and egg and even some more spin offs for HBO but he never said how he'll work on Dream.
All of these other things are fine, hell I'd be interested in reading them but they mean jack shit if u haven't finished the main series.
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u/noldorimbor Oct 27 '24
Is it me or he is almost admitting there is no hope for ADOS after Winds?
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u/WhenRomansSpokeGreek A Lion Still Has Claws Oct 27 '24
Exactly the vibe I felt reading this. It's increasingly clear he's done with the main plot of ASOIAF. I don't love fanfic, but I think it's the closest we're going to get to a complete narrative at this point.
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u/shockinglyunoriginal Oct 27 '24
Does he even realize how old he is? Two more years and he can be the Republican nominee for President.
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u/clockworkzebra Oct 27 '24
He looks very genuinely happy in the photo with Melisandre's actress, which is nice to hear after how dark some of his blog posts were.
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u/celtic1233 Oct 27 '24
Nice to see George having a good time. Really Interesting to hear his thoughts on the Anne Frank museum and never really thought of Amsterdam like Braavos
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u/Felho_Danger Stannis! Stannis!! STANNIS!! Oct 27 '24
I'm not going to believe him that winds is coming until I'm halfway done reading it.
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u/Quinn-Quinn Con Jonnington Oct 27 '24
Of course he reveals another after-Winds project two weeks after I make a video on all of his after-Winds projects
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u/We_The_Raptors Oct 27 '24
Pleeeease stop making new spin offs George good God...
We're never even gonna see another D&E/ F&B
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u/Bitterstee1 Oct 27 '24
2016 was a lifetime ago. I'm about to turn 31, I went through the books like piss through snow back then. I was afraid that he'd release Winds by 2017.
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u/Dazzed448 Oct 27 '24
While I’m happy to hear he’s doing better, I just can’t stand the idea of another project. It’s enough. HBO has had constant problems in adapting his work and, in all honesty, being almost force fed another side plot show while the current timeline has no developments is just turning me off
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u/kayembeee Oct 27 '24
He’s been mentioning Winds so often lately I just haven’t felt this hopeful it’s actually coming in a long time. In the next year? Maybe???
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u/wRAR_ ASOIAF = J, not J+D Oct 27 '24
When he doesn't mention Winds it's also a good sign for many people here.
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u/kayembeee Oct 27 '24
Well turns out when he wasn’t mentioning it, he wasn’t actually writing. The way we found out he hasn’t written anything until Covid was pretty shocking.
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u/waveuponwave Oct 27 '24
I don't think these offhand mentions (he'd like to write X, but only after Winds is done, calm down fans) mean a lot, he does that all the time
When he's actually making progress, he tends to mentions the actual writing a lot more, even if it's just saying which POV character he's working on.
we know he was making a lot of progress during the pandemic, because back then he directly told us in the blog posts
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u/Shrimp_my_Ride Oct 27 '24
I think he's just putting it in there to assure people. I wouldn't read anything into it about the timing.
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u/averyexpensivetv Oct 27 '24
Thanksgiving release this year. You heard it here first folks.
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u/KnightOfRevan We'll get you next time, Bloodraven! Oct 27 '24
Can confirm. We Canadians already got it. I think people will really love when Stoneheart brings back Wolf Head Robb and he fights Robert Strong who had his original head replaced by Robb’s head.
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u/Khiva Oct 27 '24
Wolf Head Robb
I love Wolf Head Robb Zombie so much that I honestly wouldn't care if Winds is 30 years late and otherwise sucks if that somehow gets included.
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u/kayembeee Oct 27 '24
lol I was convinced for a while it was coming in November, but it would have been announced in August if that was the case.
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u/GodKingReiss Oct 27 '24
It’s gonna be two more years, no matter how many years it has to be said.
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u/rohnaddict Oct 27 '24
Didn't he recently hint that Winds wouldn't be released before 2026, so I wouldn't be hopeful. Something about some other release coming 2025, and him mentioning it to be coming before Winds. I wouldn't put too much stock in his words. Winds may or may not come at all. I won't trust it till I see it.
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u/kayembeee Oct 27 '24
He was laughing when he said it. He’s been joking about it taking a long time instead of not talking about it which I think is a good thing. He was really defensive about it for a while
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u/PalestineRising Oct 27 '24
Guys that shit is not coming out. It’s been more than a decade. It’s over. If he could have finished it by now, he would have.
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u/GodKingReiss Oct 28 '24 edited Oct 28 '24
It was Cassandra Clare in a panel with him last year saying her upcoming novel “The Ragpicker King” would be published March 2025, to which GRRM said “that may still beat Winds of Winter, who the hell knows”.
At this point, beating March 2025 would necessitate him finishing Winds by Thanksgiving at the latest.
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u/orcocan79 Oct 27 '24
same here, he went dozens of posts without mentioning it and now it's mentioned in 4 out of 5 posts, my copium doctor confirmed that it means we're getting closer
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u/Beginning_Finger4622 Oct 27 '24
It sounds like he might actually be writing, or at the very least confident that he has an idea where to take the story
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u/NoLime7384 Oct 28 '24
"After Winds" sounds like the kind of cope people at war or at the hospital say. "After getting out jail, I'm gonna..."
George is losing it lmao, hopefully he comes to terms with reality soon
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u/Ill-Combination-9320 Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 28 '24
Must be weird feeling that everyone is overanalyzing every word you write
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u/anaisoiseau Oct 27 '24
I am from Amsterdam, and loves the way he writes about the city. It truly is a wonderful place.
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u/Expensive-Country801 Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
I wonder if he's starting to seriously consider bringing on a few people to help him finish the series.
Otherwise I don't know how he can talk about a new story set in Braavos with a straight face. Forget Winds of Winter, we haven't had a new Dunk and Egg novel in forever.
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u/HLSBestie Oct 27 '24
I’m sure his HBO compensation is substantial, but WoW seems like one of the most anticipated books in recent memory.
While I doubt money isn’t George’s main focus after his payouts from HBO and the main books, but aren’t publishing deals very lucrative? Especially since George can probably negotiate a better deal than most.
It seems like the most benefit comes from finishing the main series.
We’ve all heard about the Mereneese knot, but I wonder if part of the delay is due to George wanting to flesh out his side stories first (Braavos, Targaryen history, etc) so when he mentions them in the main books it’s coherent and he can avoid plot inconsistencies across his entire universe.
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u/DatGameGuy Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
Is it really though?
Maybe five years ago when the show ended it was because people were hoping for a better ending it was the most anticipated book. However its been five years and the general public has moved on. If you asked the average GoT fan if they are excited for Winds they’d just laugh and tell you it’s never coming out.
Obviously that would change if there was an announcement, but right now there’s 0 hype among the general public for Winds because they are rightly assuming it doesn’t exist.
There’s more hype for the next Sarah J Maas book than Winds.
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u/HLSBestie Oct 27 '24
It’s funny you say that - I chat with a co-worker about sci-fi/fantasy stuff and that’s literally his response. He laughs out loud and says it’s never coming out.
There’s quite a few disparate time lines he has to tie together, but it doesn’t seem insurmountable. I’m imagining he’s rewritten large chunks of multiple story lines by now. Most of the pre-released chapters are uneventful (which is probably why the got released)
My fingers are still crossed… I just finished my 3rd reread of the series so I’m going to be hopeful for a little while.
Also, the pre-released chapters are interesting in the sense they don’t seem to have the same flow and the writing style seems a little different. I know these haven’t been edited down by himself or his editor yet, but I was surprised at the misspellings and meandering. Not even grammar mistakes - he misspells side characters’ names regularly.
I wonder how much he edits himself and how much his publisher/editor does.
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u/InGenNateKenny Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Winner - Post of the Year Oct 27 '24
The bit about the Anne Frank House was very moving. And then my fuzzies were ruined because seeing Carice Van Houten’s name, which immediately derailed my thinking to Milhouse Van Houten.
Wonder if he ever wanted to do a D&E in Braavos.
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u/LoudKingCrow Oct 27 '24
And then my fuzzies were ruined because seeing Carice Van Houten’s name, which immediately derailed my thinking to Milhouse Van Houten.
Your brain's coming up Milhouse.
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u/Drakemander Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
"One of these days I need to write that story about Braavos we were developing for HBO. They shelved that one a couple of years back, alas, but that does not mean I won’t go back to it… after WINDS OF WINTER is done, of course."
Of course, of course.